Tomorrow is new chapter in story. Bunny Kayron epic pass. 3 new EE in Fire Charlotte, Mort and Angie. All of them are solid upgrades although people are whining about Mort of course. 3 turns on crit dmg res is real nice and means the chance of it being down with him is just really low.
Oh and of course the banner is Kayron. Can get your Shepards if you missed it before. Or kayron if you dont. I would say he is still one of the most used characters in many aspects of pvp.
Should only be 2 turns now, not 3. His default is 1 turn. Angie's EE look great, the S1 CR boost could be fun if she's on counter set but assuming the video is correct (and not the patch notes), her S3 dispel before immunity will be the one I'll rock.
I have Kayron built and never use him. Too many dispel unit in the meta now. Iseria is great and might be worth pulling even with her summer version coming since she's really unique in what she does and it's hard to work around not having her.
Tomorrow is new chapter in story. Bunny Kayron epic pass. 3 new EE in Fire Charlotte, Mort and Angie. All of them are solid upgrades although people are whining about Mort of course. 3 turns on crit dmg res is real nice and means the chance of it being down with him is just really low.
Oh and of course the banner is Kayron. Can get your Shepards if you missed it before. Or kayron if you dont. I would say he is still one of the most used characters in many aspects of pvp.
Should only be 2 turns now, not 3. His default is 1 turn. Angie's EE look great, the S1 CR boost could be fun if she's on counter set but assuming the video is correct (and not the patch notes), her S3 dispel before immunity will be the one I'll rock.
I have Kayron built and never use him. Too many dispel unit in the meta now. Iseria is great and might be worth pulling even with her summer version coming since she's really unique in what she does and it's hard to work around not having her.
Oh yeah thanks for correcting me. We were both tired this morning and misremembering. The base statement still applies as it makes the buff much less of an issue being up..
I would say you should give Kayron more of a shot. There are only a few units that directly counter him and even if dispelled of his immortality the dmg won't count until thier next dmg chance. Unless its a dmg after hit thing but that can only be a couple of things in the game. The 4* artis don't work for it i know. We still see him every guild war where we are from 200+ with forays slightly higher and much lower from the living swings heh.
Also in addition to what medi said Iseria Tams combo is also still very strong on offense.
Mort’s EE doesn’t feel nearly impactful enough to make him relevant. He still does zero damage and injury does nothing. Maybe once they buff injury he will be usable, but his damage is so low it’s hard to even get it to apply most of the time.
Kayron is a fun unit, but he is just countered by so much of the meta he is rarely relevant.
The longer they delay collab announcement the more I suspect their are having problems with negotiations. As far as I know the last word they said about it was that they aren’t allowed to say anything yet. Didn’t they confirm June though? Or was that not a hard date? Either way it seems like they are running out of time.
Yeah im not saying Mort is a must use. Just in the use if you like him grand can work group which has been shown to be true at all levels of play. Especially with Ilynav now. I've seen the two used to great effect. But as with 99% of the units in the game he is not a required unit heh. Crit res buff is one of those live by die by buffs. But it is pretty much one of the sole reasons people use diene and it is effective with her tremendously. As I use her on my alt in a nice reverse speed set which is very good.
And as for Kayron I disagree I can begin taking pictures if you want but he is relevant. And you see him in vods as well very commonly. Perhaps not RTA relevant which I will agree on but I don't argue that as we know. Counter kayrons with rnl suck to deal with in gw and we see that commonly. Or the quick knife ones used to get off glass dmg s3 where you are in trouble because you dont want to take his continued dmg. All I am saying is he is one of the better options for static pvp where his counters dont exist as he gets a guaranteed turn and his dmg output is top end.
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Tomorrow is new chapter in story. Bunny Kayron epic pass. 3 new EE in Fire Charlotte, Mort and Angie. All of them are solid upgrades although people are whining about Mort of course. 3 turns on crit dmg res is real nice and means the chance of it being down with him is just really low.
Oh and of course the banner is Kayron. Can get your Shepards if you missed it before. Or kayron if you dont. I would say he is still one of the most used characters in many aspects of pvp.
Should only be 2 turns now, not 3. His default is 1 turn. Angie's EE look great, the S1 CR boost could be fun if she's on counter set but assuming the video is correct (and not the patch notes), her S3 dispel before immunity will be the one I'll rock.
I have Kayron built and never use him. Too many dispel unit in the meta now. Iseria is great and might be worth pulling even with her summer version coming since she's really unique in what she does and it's hard to work around not having her.
Oh yeah thanks for correcting me. We were both tired this morning and misremembering. The base statement still applies as it makes the buff much less of an issue being up..
I would say you should give Kayron more of a shot. There are only a few units that directly counter him and even if dispelled of his immortality the dmg won't count until thier next dmg chance. Unless its a dmg after hit thing but that can only be a couple of things in the game. The 4* artis don't work for it i know. We still see him every guild war where we are from 200+ with forays slightly higher and much lower from the living swings heh.
Also in addition to what medi said Iseria Tams combo is also still very strong on offense.
IDK, I have him on counter with max DD and I've tried to use him in arena over and over again and he just dies without doing anything.
Mort doesn’t work at all levels of play. He is a completely dead pick in even mid level rta.
lol k.
What comps you using him on trajan? Because I use him all the time again that the bunny ears were coming out and he is amazing for static pvp. I mean you bring him against ftteneb you will most likely have a bad time but she isnt around as much as she was. Like have you tried hm against the krau stall comps? He is amazing in those.
It's been awhile, so it's hard to remember. Whatever the main comps in Challenger are. Mostly FCC+TSurin then add from there. Arby's, Cerise, Landy, GPurg, Politis, Roana, seem to make up the bulk of defenses.
Ahh fair. Do you bring appropriate protection mechanisms for him or do you usually go full offense? I cover mine with things like FCC or Brozet or aurius Ras with additional support like healer or the like.
I just gave him a shot with Ray, FCC, and Landy. He did ok but really Landy did most of the work. Biggest issue with counter is that roana is everywhere right now.
Mort doesn’t work at all levels of play. He is a completely dead pick in even mid level rta.
lol k.
Don't take my word for it. Try climbing with him.
I use him all the time in static pvp. As we know each other well enough by now you should know I dont value by rta because there is no real reason to engage in it. I find the idea of subscribing to meta to be boring and so I mess around with comps and heroes to have fun. For me. I know I wont be able to spend enough to compete with the top people anyway. I mean Ladyjubs beats champ comps with an enott in the group when she wants to. Like I have said we play different games. I play one where I am happy where I am at and I try my best to beat the GW comps that we come up against with higher tier gear to near whale tier gear as we have neared the top 100 at one point.
Edit: Ill just edit it out. Please take my edit as my say in clarification. I thought it would be noted by now I have no respect or will to RTA at all as even if you do it for the cosmetics we can get it anyway eventually outside of it. So I dont see any reason to devote time to it. So to be clear. I don't value RTA at all in my opinions.
Winning a game with a hero does not mean working. If you have to lose 5-10 games to get that one win that's literally the definition of a hero who doesn't work in that aspect of the game. I also don't understand why you feel so strongly in your opinions for an aspect of the game you literally don't play or have any experience in.
Ok man. I am just going to leave it at that. Sorry I brought up the M word again. Like I said much earlier crit res buff is a live and die by buff. I enjoy it. And having it on a tanky char that can get def break on opposite element works very well for me. I have no real want to progress down circumstantial, "well they probably lost 10 times that many games", evidence path again.
Here is hoping that Summer Iseria is fun! I am going back to working on my Senya some more and my M Kawerik as I am trying him out in different sets, speeds and artis to see where he might fit better for me.
I have no real want to progress down circumstantial, "well they probably lost 10 times that many games", evidence path again.
If you don’t want to have an opinion or take a position on RTA that’s fine, but don’t follow up that position by immediately questioning the credibility of a statement about RTA.
I have no real want to progress down circumstantial, "well they probably lost 10 times that many games", evidence path again.
If you don’t want to have an opinion or take a position on RTA that’s fine, but don’t follow up that position by immediately questioning the credibility of a statement about RTA.
I mean that is your statement. You are stating that vods of whales and near whales showing he scales and can work is not so because "they probably lost many more battles" you said it the first time and you pretty much stated it again.
Edit: Let me clarify one last time. And I will just stop and we can move on and I wont mention Mort again until he gets a rework. When I say can work I mean you see a comp and you say "hey I can X that comp" be it sven, or Ilynav, or Senya, Kayron or any other moderate to above average unit that may not be overly strong but with gear, strong counter elements, and just general good play you can win with them.
You work the averages and I respect that. It is a playstyle that is tried and true. It means that you will not find value in mid level heroes that have strong aspects but also very weak ones. I have used Kise lately and have had fun with her but she is not usable in RTA for you. I would still try to use her. I put 250 speed high attack on her. If she gets off I could see me beating people in RTA with her up to the point I would want to get to which would be cosmetic and thats about it.
My point was that you called my statement circumstantial, implying that it was probably false but you didn't want to spend time discussing it.
For the record Kise is very strong right now (in RTA).
Mort could have been good in rta, but they implemented frenzy changes and it totally screwed him. Injury does virtually nothing and his damage is incredibly low.
I just think its the difference between our outlooks. My outlook of someone winning with them at high level GW or RTA shows they can scale. You will use the averages approach and believe that overall they probably had a lower rating after the vod. /shrug. I see the latter as more circumstantial mainly because they didnt say it in the vod. If they did then hey let me know ill watch the vod willingly! If you would like I could see the argument as mine as singular to a fault too.
I guess in my opinion you have to take overall performance into account, not an n of 1 or 2. In RTA you are drafting a team of 4 heroes. If mort is picked by one person that’s bad, but the other guy could screw up way worse in his other picks. That didn’t mean mort won the fight. RNG is also a huge aspect of this game as is gear. If you only look at a small number of games to evaluate the performance of a hero then these factors can greatly skew your opinion.
Lots of other content creators point this out. Deity laments all the time that it’s not possible to use a large number of heroes in higher levels of play in RTA. Literally every legend level or even mid-high champ level RTA streamer will tell you that picking mort puts you at a disadvantage.
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Listen, Mort is hot. That's what matters.
Speaking of hot, Mediator Kawerik get! I don't know how to use him or anything but he's hot and I got him!
I've had more fun just chunking mkawerik up dude. Just get what speed you can but make sure he a chunky dude and use him against those sustain stall/debuffers and he will help. And with people where turn order doesn't really matter like ml Ken or Landy or Charles etc. As for arti I've not settled one. I've tried support all class artis but those tend to be minimal gain stuff, sepulcrum is nice. Durandal was ok. I don't have the Eff res on him right now for strak to matter. Creation and destruction was too meme even for me heh. I don't have an extra crimson seed which I would like to try on him but apoc ravi too good with it. Right now he has my extra sepulcrum.
Why the pure attack stack on LQC? For the additional damage follow up?
Yep. With Elphelt's defense break and attack up, LQC already does 30K damage to FCC, the high attack is for knocking out TSurins, DPS Landy's, Riolets, etc. If you aren't using her to cleave, it's better to lower attack and get crit damage up. Also look at getting a bit more def and speed.
If you have haste sitting there and want a GL Landy killer or just general non blue killer he has shown to be ok for that with a friend of mine's build. Ive watched it work on discord now for a couple GWs after he finished up his initial gearing. He just has him in no crit pure max attack with speed to beat those stall teams and what eff he could find I want to say 80 or so. He has his in low 220s which is close but usually enough in the current meta. The bleeds just destroy units. He uses a 230s speed hazel in front of him.
Yeah the main thing he uses the haste for is more sustain for groups that contain Tsurin too. As you cant really bring carrot into comps with tsurin. He put fat on his haste too and shepard of chaos.
Iseria, Melissa with her side event. ML Kawahzu. Good luck if you are pulling for the Iseria. She is fun but mine currently is ungeared. Although I should find something for her now that I have my dark corvus. Just need to improve his gear up more though.
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Login 4-5* got me Flan today, guess I need to keep a look out for her artifact eventually
Her arti actually. Its really good on her. But generally use a support arti that works good for the comp you are using her in. She isnt there to do dmg.
Iseria, Melissa with her side event. ML Kawahzu. Good luck if you are pulling for the Iseria. She is fun but mine currently is ungeared. Although I should find something for her now that I have my dark corvus. Just need to improve his gear up more though.
She works well for blue expos, but if you aren’t already using her for that you probably have a different team.
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I was also worried Bunny Kayron meant we were gonna see FTene and that might have tempted me
Should only be 2 turns now, not 3. His default is 1 turn. Angie's EE look great, the S1 CR boost could be fun if she's on counter set but assuming the video is correct (and not the patch notes), her S3 dispel before immunity will be the one I'll rock.
I have Kayron built and never use him. Too many dispel unit in the meta now. Iseria is great and might be worth pulling even with her summer version coming since she's really unique in what she does and it's hard to work around not having her.
Oh yeah thanks for correcting me. We were both tired this morning and misremembering. The base statement still applies as it makes the buff much less of an issue being up..
I would say you should give Kayron more of a shot. There are only a few units that directly counter him and even if dispelled of his immortality the dmg won't count until thier next dmg chance. Unless its a dmg after hit thing but that can only be a couple of things in the game. The 4* artis don't work for it i know. We still see him every guild war where we are from 200+ with forays slightly higher and much lower from the living swings heh.
Also in addition to what medi said Iseria Tams combo is also still very strong on offense.
Kayron is a fun unit, but he is just countered by so much of the meta he is rarely relevant.
The longer they delay collab announcement the more I suspect their are having problems with negotiations. As far as I know the last word they said about it was that they aren’t allowed to say anything yet. Didn’t they confirm June though? Or was that not a hard date? Either way it seems like they are running out of time.
And as for Kayron I disagree I can begin taking pictures if you want but he is relevant. And you see him in vods as well very commonly. Perhaps not RTA relevant which I will agree on but I don't argue that as we know. Counter kayrons with rnl suck to deal with in gw and we see that commonly. Or the quick knife ones used to get off glass dmg s3 where you are in trouble because you dont want to take his continued dmg. All I am saying is he is one of the better options for static pvp where his counters dont exist as he gets a guaranteed turn and his dmg output is top end.
Oh yay internet is finally back up. No phone typing.
IDK, I have him on counter with max DD and I've tried to use him in arena over and over again and he just dies without doing anything.
lol k.
What comps you using him on trajan? Because I use him all the time again that the bunny ears were coming out and he is amazing for static pvp. I mean you bring him against ftteneb you will most likely have a bad time but she isnt around as much as she was. Like have you tried hm against the krau stall comps? He is amazing in those.
Don't take my word for it. Try climbing with him.
I use him all the time in static pvp. As we know each other well enough by now you should know I dont value by rta because there is no real reason to engage in it. I find the idea of subscribing to meta to be boring and so I mess around with comps and heroes to have fun. For me. I know I wont be able to spend enough to compete with the top people anyway. I mean Ladyjubs beats champ comps with an enott in the group when she wants to. Like I have said we play different games. I play one where I am happy where I am at and I try my best to beat the GW comps that we come up against with higher tier gear to near whale tier gear as we have neared the top 100 at one point.
Here is hoping that Summer Iseria is fun! I am going back to working on my Senya some more and my M Kawerik as I am trying him out in different sets, speeds and artis to see where he might fit better for me.
If you don’t want to have an opinion or take a position on RTA that’s fine, but don’t follow up that position by immediately questioning the credibility of a statement about RTA.
I mean that is your statement. You are stating that vods of whales and near whales showing he scales and can work is not so because "they probably lost many more battles" you said it the first time and you pretty much stated it again.
Edit: Let me clarify one last time. And I will just stop and we can move on and I wont mention Mort again until he gets a rework. When I say can work I mean you see a comp and you say "hey I can X that comp" be it sven, or Ilynav, or Senya, Kayron or any other moderate to above average unit that may not be overly strong but with gear, strong counter elements, and just general good play you can win with them.
You work the averages and I respect that. It is a playstyle that is tried and true. It means that you will not find value in mid level heroes that have strong aspects but also very weak ones. I have used Kise lately and have had fun with her but she is not usable in RTA for you. I would still try to use her. I put 250 speed high attack on her. If she gets off I could see me beating people in RTA with her up to the point I would want to get to which would be cosmetic and thats about it.
For the record Kise is very strong right now (in RTA).
Mort could have been good in rta, but they implemented frenzy changes and it totally screwed him. Injury does virtually nothing and his damage is incredibly low.
Lots of other content creators point this out. Deity laments all the time that it’s not possible to use a large number of heroes in higher levels of play in RTA. Literally every legend level or even mid-high champ level RTA streamer will tell you that picking mort puts you at a disadvantage.
Speaking of hot, Mediator Kawerik get! I don't know how to use him or anything but he's hot and I got him!
I've had more fun just chunking mkawerik up dude. Just get what speed you can but make sure he a chunky dude and use him against those sustain stall/debuffers and he will help. And with people where turn order doesn't really matter like ml Ken or Landy or Charles etc. As for arti I've not settled one. I've tried support all class artis but those tend to be minimal gain stuff, sepulcrum is nice. Durandal was ok. I don't have the Eff res on him right now for strak to matter. Creation and destruction was too meme even for me heh. I don't have an extra crimson seed which I would like to try on him but apoc ravi too good with it. Right now he has my extra sepulcrum.
Yep. With Elphelt's defense break and attack up, LQC already does 30K damage to FCC, the high attack is for knocking out TSurins, DPS Landy's, Riolets, etc. If you aren't using her to cleave, it's better to lower attack and get crit damage up. Also look at getting a bit more def and speed.
Iseria, Melissa with her side event. ML Kawahzu. Good luck if you are pulling for the Iseria. She is fun but mine currently is ungeared. Although I should find something for her now that I have my dark corvus. Just need to improve his gear up more though.
She works well for blue expos, but if you aren’t already using her for that you probably have a different team.