The prime minister of Denmark is currently doing a press conference and just announced to not do gatherings of more than 10 people and that hair salons, restaurants and sports facilities should close.
I hate the like, constant feeling of anticipation I've been feeling lately. It's like waiting for the other shoe to drop when your upstairs neighbor only has one leg or something.
I wonder if this is what wartime circa World Wars 1 & 2 felt like, with the added stress of being led by Bozo the Fucking Clown instead of FDR.
The new DNC memo, obtained by the Guardian, was sent to members of the rules and bylaws committee on Wednesday night.
“We are working with state parties that need to make adjustments as needed to their delegate selection processes so they can continue without major interruptions,” wrote James Roosevelt and Lorraine Miller, the co-chairs of the rules and bylaws committee, in the memo.
“The regulations allow technical changes to be approved by the co-chairs.”
“Several states have taken steps to change the date of their first determining step,” the DNC memo said.
It continued: “The Delegate Selection Rules provide that each state’s first determining step must take place by 9 June. If a state violates the rule on timing, or any other rule, they could be subject to penalties as prescribed in Rule 21, including at least a 50% reduction in delegates, which will need to be reviewed by the RBC.
“The deadline to elect convention participants is 20 June, so state parties should have plenty of time to elect their delegates, alternates and standing committee members.”
The committee also advised state parties “to follow the recommendations of local health officials and prioritize health and safety of all individuals. We acknowledge the situation is very different in every state and want to give state parties flexibility to adjust their plans to address their own situations and local guidance.”
That sounds reasonable if you don't just read the headline. Good thing nobody only reads the headlines.
This is an amazingly stupid reason to get into a fight with China
Edit: And the "we have always been at war with" quote:
I have seen that, where people actually liked it. But I didn't feel different. I've always known this is a real -- this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.
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Missouri Gaming Commission is recommending, but not ordering casinos in the state to halt operations. My workplace is gearing up to close st 10PM tonight for a minimum of 2 weeks, with additional time to be determined the first week of April. There will be a skeleton crew of salaried team members in place to maintain security, but all hourly workers will stay home, with pay.
No matter where you go...there you are. ~ Buckaroo Banzai
I hate the like, constant feeling of anticipation I've been feeling lately. It's like waiting for the other shoe to drop when your upstairs neighbor only has one leg or something.
I wonder if this is what wartime circa World Wars 1 & 2 felt like, with the added stress of being led by Bozo the Fucking Clown instead of FDR.
This comparison briefly flashed across my mind when my grandmother told my sister she didn’t want someone else to grocery shop for her. But my grandmother actually lived through being evacuated from her town during WW2 and running the very real risk of having her house bombed.
A lot of the current elderly, especially in Europe (and elsewhere) lived through years of air raids, having to run to bomb shelters and having their entire homes destroyed.
This time is stressful but I don’t know if I’d say that we have ‘added’ stress today. I have an autoimmune disease so I do get the stress. But I’m also safe and secure in my house, and can take a lot of precautions when I go out. And realistically this won’t last years and years.
I have worked for large companies and seeing the behemoths start to respond is reassuring.
I'm hearing rumors from a friend that at least one large bank is considering closing down many branches during the emergency and paying teammembers while it happens.
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Taxpayers will get a three-month reprieve to pay the income taxes they owe for 2019, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Tuesday at a press conference.
As part of its coronavirus response, the federal government will give filers 90 days to pay income taxes due on up to $1 million in tax owed, Mnuchin said in Washington. The reprieve on that amount would cover many pass-through entities and small businesses, he said.
Corporate filers would get the same length of time to pay amounts due on up to $10 million in taxes owed, Mnuchin said.
During that three-month deferral period, taxpayers won’t be subject to interest and penalties, he said.
You should still get your 2019 income tax return in to the federal government as soon as possible, especially if you’re due a refund and need cash.
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I don't know how respected the college is, but quite a few news sources are running with this, some claiming the report was given to Trump.
There’s a detail here I want to pull out:
The report notes that this strategy could have to be in place until a vaccine is developed, which could take 18 months — saying it is "the only viable strategy at the current time."
18 months is a long time, but I also wonder if we aren’t being optimistic with that figure. As far as I know, though some animal-affecting coronavirusus have vaccines, we haven’t successfully developed any that address known human coronaviruses. I imagine the resources and efforts now are (hopefully) beyond any prior effort, but it still doesn’t seem like a given.
Well, if we end up developing a good vaccine on a coronavirus, maybe we'll be able to more quickly combat the next one, which could be important. Imagine this, with MERS level fatality rate. Bad times now, but they could be worse, and may very well be in the nebulous far future.
Oh absolutely. I guess I’m just wondering whether the development of a human-coronavirus vaccine is more of a medical breakthrough than a given, which seems like something people are taking for granted.
Like, all these “Trust in science” memes are fine and I think well-intentioned, but science is about a process that leads to a lot of (incredibly useful!) dead ends. It’s just not clear to me where the confidence that we can accomplish this at all is coming from, and I am generally very bullish on what humanity can accomplish with attention and resources.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I just got my PhD. Shit's extremely not a given. I am hopeful that a vaccine can be found, but people's blind belief that scientists (and engineers) are going to bail us out of our problems (and mistakes) is... not well thought through, to put it lightly.
The new DNC memo, obtained by the Guardian, was sent to members of the rules and bylaws committee on Wednesday night.
“We are working with state parties that need to make adjustments as needed to their delegate selection processes so they can continue without major interruptions,” wrote James Roosevelt and Lorraine Miller, the co-chairs of the rules and bylaws committee, in the memo.
“The regulations allow technical changes to be approved by the co-chairs.”
“Several states have taken steps to change the date of their first determining step,” the DNC memo said.
It continued: “The Delegate Selection Rules provide that each state’s first determining step must take place by 9 June. If a state violates the rule on timing, or any other rule, they could be subject to penalties as prescribed in Rule 21, including at least a 50% reduction in delegates, which will need to be reviewed by the RBC.
“The deadline to elect convention participants is 20 June, so state parties should have plenty of time to elect their delegates, alternates and standing committee members.”
The committee also advised state parties “to follow the recommendations of local health officials and prioritize health and safety of all individuals. We acknowledge the situation is very different in every state and want to give state parties flexibility to adjust their plans to address their own situations and local guidance.”
That sounds reasonable if you don't just read the headline. Good thing nobody only reads the headlines.
What does it actually mean? The headline makes it sound like the total number of delegates will be reduced for states that are delaying because of new action from the DNC. In reality the DNC is trying to prevent that happening right?
I don't know how respected the college is, but quite a few news sources are running with this, some claiming the report was given to Trump.
There’s a detail here I want to pull out:
The report notes that this strategy could have to be in place until a vaccine is developed, which could take 18 months — saying it is "the only viable strategy at the current time."
18 months is a long time, but I also wonder if we aren’t being optimistic with that figure. As far as I know, though some animal-affecting coronavirusus have vaccines, we haven’t successfully developed any that address known human coronaviruses. I imagine the resources and efforts now are (hopefully) beyond any prior effort, but it still doesn’t seem like a given.
Well, if we end up developing a good vaccine on a coronavirus, maybe we'll be able to more quickly combat the next one, which could be important. Imagine this, with MERS level fatality rate. Bad times now, but they could be worse, and may very well be in the nebulous far future.
Oh absolutely. I guess I’m just wondering whether the development of a human-coronavirus vaccine is more of a medical breakthrough than a given, which seems like something people are taking for granted.
Like, all these “Trust in science” memes are fine and I think well-intentioned, but science is about a process that leads to a lot of (incredibly useful!) dead ends. It’s just not clear to me where the confidence that we can accomplish this at all is coming from, and I am generally very bullish on what humanity can accomplish with attention and resources.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I just got my PhD. Shit's extremely not a given. I am hopeful that a vaccine can be found, but people's blind belief that scientists (and engineers) are going to bail us out of our problems (and mistakes) is... not well thought through, to put it lightly.
I keep thinking about how training housewives to make Sherman tanks was probably a lot easier than it'd be to build and train staff to run PCR machines.
Taxpayers will get a three-month reprieve to pay the income taxes they owe for 2019, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Tuesday at a press conference.
As part of its coronavirus response, the federal government will give filers 90 days to pay income taxes due on up to $1 million in tax owed, Mnuchin said in Washington. The reprieve on that amount would cover many pass-through entities and small businesses, he said.
Corporate filers would get the same length of time to pay amounts due on up to $10 million in taxes owed, Mnuchin said.
During that three-month deferral period, taxpayers won’t be subject to interest and penalties, he said.
You should still get your 2019 income tax return in to the federal government as soon as possible, especially if you’re due a refund and need cash.
Payment deadline, does that also push back the *filing* deadline? My wife's stuck in limbo with one employer still failing to provide a W2 after multiple rounds of IRS fines and the other saying that because we sued for bounced paychecks they don't have to give us a W2 (judge disagrees but we think they fucked up the paperwork and are stalling for time), 90 days would basically solve our conundrum of filing with what we have and amending or waiting until the last minute and hoping for the best.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I just got my PhD. Shit's extremely not a given. I am hopeful that a vaccine can be found, but people's blind belief that scientists (and engineers) are going to bail us out of our problems (and mistakes) is... not well thought through, to put it lightly.
Very much agreed, and I want to emphasize that this is not my field at all. If I was writing a report on this at work I’d be qualifying the hell out of every statement I’m making and noting that even my questions might be missing key information.
So, to balance out my uninformed timeline speculation, some quotes from The Guardian:
Clinical trials, an essential precursor to regulatory approval, usually take place in three phases. The first, involving a few dozen healthy volunteers, tests the vaccine for safety, monitoring for adverse effects. The second, involving several hundred people, usually in a part of the world affected by the disease, looks at how effective the vaccine is, and the third does the same in several thousand people. But there’s a high level of attrition as experimental vaccines pass through these phases. “Not all horses that leave the starting gate will finish the race,” says Bruce Gellin, who runs the global immunisation programme for the Washington DC-based nonprofit, the Sabin Vaccine Institute, and is collaborating with Cepi over a Covid-19 vaccine.
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So the Covid-19 vaccine candidates have to be treated as brand new vaccines, and as Gellin says: “While there is a push to do things as fast as possible, it’s really important not to take shortcuts.”
An illustration of that is a vaccine that was produced in the 1960s against respiratory syncytial virus, a common virus that causes cold-like symptoms in children. In clinical trials, this vaccine was found to aggravate those symptoms in infants who went on to catch the virus. A similar effect was observed in animals given an early experimental Sars vaccine. It was later modified to eliminate that problem but, now that it has been repurposed for Sars-CoV-2, it will need to be put through especially stringent safety testing to rule out the risk of enhanced disease.
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In the meantime, there is another potential problem. As soon as a vaccine is approved, it’s going to be needed in vast quantities – and many of the organisations in the Covid-19 vaccine race simply don’t have the necessary production capacity.
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Once a Covid-19 vaccine has been approved, a further set of challenges will present itself. “Getting a vaccine that’s proven to be safe and effective in humans takes one at best about a third of the way to what’s needed for a global immunisation programme,” says global health expert Jonathan Quick of Duke University in North Carolina, author of The End of Epidemics (2018). “Virus biology and vaccines technology could be the limiting factors, but politics and economics are far more likely to be the barrier to immunisation.”
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The pandemic, says Wilder-Smith, “will probably have peaked and declined before a vaccine is available”. A vaccine could still save many lives, especially if the virus becomes endemic or perennially circulating – like flu – and there are further, possibly seasonal, outbreaks. But until then, our best hope is to contain the disease as far as possible. To repeat the sage advice: wash your hands.
The new DNC memo, obtained by the Guardian, was sent to members of the rules and bylaws committee on Wednesday night.
“We are working with state parties that need to make adjustments as needed to their delegate selection processes so they can continue without major interruptions,” wrote James Roosevelt and Lorraine Miller, the co-chairs of the rules and bylaws committee, in the memo.
“The regulations allow technical changes to be approved by the co-chairs.”
“Several states have taken steps to change the date of their first determining step,” the DNC memo said.
It continued: “The Delegate Selection Rules provide that each state’s first determining step must take place by 9 June. If a state violates the rule on timing, or any other rule, they could be subject to penalties as prescribed in Rule 21, including at least a 50% reduction in delegates, which will need to be reviewed by the RBC.
“The deadline to elect convention participants is 20 June, so state parties should have plenty of time to elect their delegates, alternates and standing committee members.”
The committee also advised state parties “to follow the recommendations of local health officials and prioritize health and safety of all individuals. We acknowledge the situation is very different in every state and want to give state parties flexibility to adjust their plans to address their own situations and local guidance.”
That sounds reasonable if you don't just read the headline. Good thing nobody only reads the headlines.
What does it actually mean? The headline makes it sound like the total number of delegates will be reduced for states that are delaying because of new action from the DNC. In reality the DNC is trying to prevent that happening right?
It means that if you don't select delegates by June 20th you might lose delegates. It has nothing to do with when the states original primary was supposed to occur.
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Taxpayers will get a three-month reprieve to pay the income taxes they owe for 2019, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Tuesday at a press conference.
As part of its coronavirus response, the federal government will give filers 90 days to pay income taxes due on up to $1 million in tax owed, Mnuchin said in Washington. The reprieve on that amount would cover many pass-through entities and small businesses, he said.
Corporate filers would get the same length of time to pay amounts due on up to $10 million in taxes owed, Mnuchin said.
During that three-month deferral period, taxpayers won’t be subject to interest and penalties, he said.
You should still get your 2019 income tax return in to the federal government as soon as possible, especially if you’re due a refund and need cash.
Payment deadline, does that also push back the *filing* deadline? My wife's stuck in limbo with one employer still failing to provide a W2 after multiple rounds of IRS fines and the other saying that because we sued for bounced paychecks they don't have to give us a W2 (judge disagrees but we think they fucked up the paperwork and are stalling for time), 90 days would basically solve our conundrum of filing with what we have and amending or waiting until the last minute and hoping for the best.
My understanding is it does not push back filling deadline.
Are there any articles or opinions on how Canada is doing or projections of Canada's future? From the bubble I live in, it seems Canada is reacting appropriately but I have no idea if this is true.
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NZ is up to 12 cases now, the son of the guy travelling from Germany having tested positive. They ahve closed the kid's school for a minimum 2 days to do a thorough cleaning.
At least 1 visitor is being deported for failing to commit to self-isolation on arriving.
They just need to do the "first determining step" by June 9th and the delegates selected by the 20th. The Democratic convention is on Jul 13th. June 20th would be less than a month before then.
The biggest hurdle is going to be state laws on what kinds of primaries are allowed. A lot of states don't have laws for things like moving to a mail only ballot in case of a pandemic or even just moving to a no justification needed mail in ballots so people do not need to go to the voting booths.
Given that the virus will almost certainly still be a problem by the convention, delaying it only makes sense to me as a way to buy time to set up alternatives rather than doing a primary like normal except later when the virus is still likely killing people
Given how the primary is turning out, trying to force the primaries to happen as scheduled or to cut the delegates they have makes no sense as an evil DNC when cutting the delegates awarded to them would probably hurt Biden and forcing them to happen probably doesn't help Biden either because he does best with older people most likely to be affected by any shenanigans
Edit: and thanks to people not knowing how the DNC works, a lot of people seem to think the DNC decides exactly when the primaries happen in each state or even are in charge of the actual primary voting infrastructure and logistics
Edit: NYT has a good overview of how things stand in various states, including some of the legal troubles
Ohio primary (polls ordered closed, possibly postponed to June 2)
Ohio’s governor on Monday night said he and top state heath officials would ignore a court ruling and postpone Ohio’s presidential primary by declaring a public health emergency because of the coronavirus outbreak.
The governor, Mike DeWine, said that the state’s health director, Dr. Amy Acton, had issued the order based on concerns that the coronavirus outbreak placed both voters and poll workers in potential danger.
His announcement came just hours after Judge Richard A. Frye of the Franklin County Court of Common Pleas rejected the state’s request to push back voting to June 2.
"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus."
So this is something that could be used to combat conspiracy theory mongering.
I find their theory that it jumped to humans as a mild/benign virus and the virulent strain we have now actually emerged in humans interesting. We have matched it to a previously known bat coronavirus, but that's not the same as mapping the entire path it took.
Senior Fellow at New America and general policy wonk, Vicki Shabo, has a nice breakdown of the changes the Senate is making to "fix" the House Bill. The short version...they're stripping a lot of things out or adding more loopholes. And the original Dem bill in the House was much better before they had to water some stuff down to get the GOP on board...and yet they're STILL wanting to strip out more protections.
The economy was facing a labor shortage before all this. If small employers decide to use a loophole to weasel out of providing paid sick leave, workers should name and shame them. They'll never be able to hire anyone again.
This is going to be really hard on a lot of people economically. I hope at least we can band together when it's all done and say turbo-fuck anyone who took advantage of this or didn't do what they could.
Senior Fellow at New America and general policy wonk, Vicki Shabo, has a nice breakdown of the changes the Senate is making to "fix" the House Bill. The short version...they're stripping a lot of things out or adding more loopholes. And the original Dem bill in the House was much better before they had to water some stuff down to get the GOP on board...and yet they're STILL wanting to strip out more protections.
The economy was facing a labor shortage before all this. If small employers decide to use a loophole to weasel out of providing paid sick leave, workers should name and shame them. They'll never be able to hire anyone again.
This is going to be really hard on a lot of people economically. I hope at least we can band together when it's all done and say turbo-fuck anyone who took advantage of this or didn't do what they could.
Eh, I dunno about that. Being a shitty employer has never stopped any other company from finding new hires.
Senior Fellow at New America and general policy wonk, Vicki Shabo, has a nice breakdown of the changes the Senate is making to "fix" the House Bill. The short version...they're stripping a lot of things out or adding more loopholes. And the original Dem bill in the House was much better before they had to water some stuff down to get the GOP on board...and yet they're STILL wanting to strip out more protections.
The economy was facing a labor shortage before all this. If small employers decide to use a loophole to weasel out of providing paid sick leave, workers should name and shame them. They'll never be able to hire anyone again.
This is going to be really hard on a lot of people economically. I hope at least we can band together when it's all done and say turbo-fuck anyone who took advantage of this or didn't do what they could.
Eh, I dunno about that. Being a shitty employer has never stopped any other company from finding new hires.
It's because being shitty isn't just the norm. Being shitty is *generous* compared to the norm. Which is why this help package needs to be air tight.
Senior Fellow at New America and general policy wonk, Vicki Shabo, has a nice breakdown of the changes the Senate is making to "fix" the House Bill. The short version...they're stripping a lot of things out or adding more loopholes. And the original Dem bill in the House was much better before they had to water some stuff down to get the GOP on board...and yet they're STILL wanting to strip out more protections.
The economy was facing a labor shortage before all this. If small employers decide to use a loophole to weasel out of providing paid sick leave, workers should name and shame them. They'll never be able to hire anyone again.
This is going to be really hard on a lot of people economically. I hope at least we can band together when it's all done and say turbo-fuck anyone who took advantage of this or didn't do what they could.
Eh, I dunno about that. Being a shitty employer has never stopped any other company from finding new hires.
Are there any articles or opinions on how Canada is doing or projections of Canada's future? From the bubble I live in, it seems Canada is reacting appropriately but I have no idea if this is true.
I would assume it’s more driven on a provincial level. I’ve heard that they think there are cases in the wild in Toronto and Ottawa, but I don’t think we will know how effective the responses will be for a few months at least.
I think Canada as a whole have run a few more tests than the US which is just damning to the US since they outnumber us 10 to 1
67 confirmed cases of COVID-19, with the infected between the ages of 14 and 68, 17 of which are hospitalized.
Cincinnati has its first drive through clinic up, though it requires an appointment. They had to stop taking patients because it was completely overwhelmed within hours.
Health officials are considering extending care into hotels and reopening recently closed hospitals to make enough space for anticipated patients.
Considering an order to compel all hospitals to reschedule elective surgeries.
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I wonder if this is what wartime circa World Wars 1 & 2 felt like, with the added stress of being led by Bozo the Fucking Clown instead of FDR.
(please forgive this mostly-contentless post to clear/update the thread for me.)
This is an amazingly stupid reason to get into a fight with China
Edit: And the "we have always been at war with" quote:
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https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/17/21181694/coronavirus-covid-19-lockdowns-end-how-long-months-years
We may need to socially distance ourselves for 18 months
This comparison briefly flashed across my mind when my grandmother told my sister she didn’t want someone else to grocery shop for her. But my grandmother actually lived through being evacuated from her town during WW2 and running the very real risk of having her house bombed.
A lot of the current elderly, especially in Europe (and elsewhere) lived through years of air raids, having to run to bomb shelters and having their entire homes destroyed.
This time is stressful but I don’t know if I’d say that we have ‘added’ stress today. I have an autoimmune disease so I do get the stress. But I’m also safe and secure in my house, and can take a lot of precautions when I go out. And realistically this won’t last years and years.
I'm hearing rumors from a friend that at least one large bank is considering closing down many branches during the emergency and paying teammembers while it happens.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I just got my PhD. Shit's extremely not a given. I am hopeful that a vaccine can be found, but people's blind belief that scientists (and engineers) are going to bail us out of our problems (and mistakes) is... not well thought through, to put it lightly.
What does it actually mean? The headline makes it sound like the total number of delegates will be reduced for states that are delaying because of new action from the DNC. In reality the DNC is trying to prevent that happening right?
I keep thinking about how training housewives to make Sherman tanks was probably a lot easier than it'd be to build and train staff to run PCR machines.
Payment deadline, does that also push back the *filing* deadline? My wife's stuck in limbo with one employer still failing to provide a W2 after multiple rounds of IRS fines and the other saying that because we sued for bounced paychecks they don't have to give us a W2 (judge disagrees but we think they fucked up the paperwork and are stalling for time), 90 days would basically solve our conundrum of filing with what we have and amending or waiting until the last minute and hoping for the best.
Very much agreed, and I want to emphasize that this is not my field at all. If I was writing a report on this at work I’d be qualifying the hell out of every statement I’m making and noting that even my questions might be missing key information.
So, to balance out my uninformed timeline speculation, some quotes from The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready
https://www.fox9.com/news/minnesota-dept-of-health-narrowing-testing-criteria-amid-national-shortage-of-covid-19-tests
It means that if you don't select delegates by June 20th you might lose delegates. It has nothing to do with when the states original primary was supposed to occur.
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My understanding is it does not push back filling deadline.
Emma Graney is Globe and Mail
Also, the Oklahoma senate is on lockdown as either a Senator or an aide has tested positive for covid-19.
At least 1 visitor is being deported for failing to commit to self-isolation on arriving.
And yesterday the government announced a 12.1 Billion dollar stimulus package to try and help the economy weather the incoming recession.
I think that's mostly where we're at down here. No death so far and I think maybe only 1 person is in hospital? The rest are all recovering at home.
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So this is something that could be used to combat conspiracy theory mongering.
The biggest hurdle is going to be state laws on what kinds of primaries are allowed. A lot of states don't have laws for things like moving to a mail only ballot in case of a pandemic or even just moving to a no justification needed mail in ballots so people do not need to go to the voting booths.
Given that the virus will almost certainly still be a problem by the convention, delaying it only makes sense to me as a way to buy time to set up alternatives rather than doing a primary like normal except later when the virus is still likely killing people
Given how the primary is turning out, trying to force the primaries to happen as scheduled or to cut the delegates they have makes no sense as an evil DNC when cutting the delegates awarded to them would probably hurt Biden and forcing them to happen probably doesn't help Biden either because he does best with older people most likely to be affected by any shenanigans
Edit: and thanks to people not knowing how the DNC works, a lot of people seem to think the DNC decides exactly when the primaries happen in each state or even are in charge of the actual primary voting infrastructure and logistics
Edit: NYT has a good overview of how things stand in various states, including some of the legal troubles
https://www.nytimes.com/article/2020-campaign-primary-calendar-coronavirus.html
You think the people who think it is a laboratory construct will trust Nature?
That’s not how conspiracy theorists think.
Evidence against the theory is just proof that the conspiracy is bigger than they first feared.
Looks like we have our 100th death in the USA, per the Worldometers.info tracker.
I find their theory that it jumped to humans as a mild/benign virus and the virulent strain we have now actually emerged in humans interesting. We have matched it to a previously known bat coronavirus, but that's not the same as mapping the entire path it took.
Debunking is never about changing the enthusiast's mind, it's about keeping people off the fence.
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It goes away once you post in the thread, which is difficult in a helpful info thread if you don't have any helpful info.
But oh hey look at that you helped me out. :biggrin:
The economy was facing a labor shortage before all this. If small employers decide to use a loophole to weasel out of providing paid sick leave, workers should name and shame them. They'll never be able to hire anyone again.
This is going to be really hard on a lot of people economically. I hope at least we can band together when it's all done and say turbo-fuck anyone who took advantage of this or didn't do what they could.
Eh, I dunno about that. Being a shitty employer has never stopped any other company from finding new hires.
It's because being shitty isn't just the norm. Being shitty is *generous* compared to the norm. Which is why this help package needs to be air tight.
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I would assume it’s more driven on a provincial level. I’ve heard that they think there are cases in the wild in Toronto and Ottawa, but I don’t think we will know how effective the responses will be for a few months at least.
I think Canada as a whole have run a few more tests than the US which is just damning to the US since they outnumber us 10 to 1
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67 confirmed cases of COVID-19, with the infected between the ages of 14 and 68, 17 of which are hospitalized.
Cincinnati has its first drive through clinic up, though it requires an appointment. They had to stop taking patients because it was completely overwhelmed within hours.
Health officials are considering extending care into hotels and reopening recently closed hospitals to make enough space for anticipated patients.
Considering an order to compel all hospitals to reschedule elective surgeries.