New monitor arrived and huzzah no dead pixels and it looks great. First IPS panel and man the colors are real vibrant in comparison to my secondary monitor. My only issue now is trying to figure out the right calibration. https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-24g2u-24g2/ suggests a brightness of 35 but that looks so dark! I checked and my second monitor was set to 100! I turned that down and colors look a little better, but everything feels dimmer. That'll go away, I assume? I'm conflicted! How do you guys calibrate your monitors?
This just looks better and better. I'm a tad worried about only 4 cores as the new consoles come out, but only a tad.
4 cores 8 threads is a bit low, but for budget gaming that is incredible. Matching an I7 7700K for $120 is impressive as hell.
I did like his comment that this is what CPU innovation used to feel like, and I'm assuming he meant basically any time from 2002 on when AMD and Intel were trading haymakers instead of the Core series stagnation. And I agree.
Maybe now you guys understand why I have 10TB of SSD storage.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
Starting to order parts for my daughters first desktop PC. Going with a 3600 on a B450 Tomahawk, 16 GB of DDR4 3200 and a 5600XT. Going to jam it all in my Phanteks Enthoo Pro SE which is just collecting dust since I got my 011 XL. Kind of case overkill but it gets it out of the way and puts it to use.
Starting to order parts for my daughters first desktop PC. Going with a 3600 on a B450 Tomahawk, 16 GB of DDR4 3200 and a 5600XT. Going to jam it all in my Phanteks Enthoo Pro SE which is just collecting dust since I got my 011 XL. Kind of case overkill but it gets it out of the way and puts it to use.
A B550 would be a better option at this point, assuming that upgrading the CPU will be a consideration
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
Starting to order parts for my daughters first desktop PC. Going with a 3600 on a B450 Tomahawk, 16 GB of DDR4 3200 and a 5600XT. Going to jam it all in my Phanteks Enthoo Pro SE which is just collecting dust since I got my 011 XL. Kind of case overkill but it gets it out of the way and puts it to use.
A B550 would be a better option at this point, assuming that upgrading the CPU will be a consideration
B550 motherboards are over a month away and we're building now. Ryzen 4000 support is not that important to me for this build. There is plenty of upgrade headroom available past the 3600 even if MSI doesn't update the B450 Tomahawk to support Ryzen 4000 (even though AMD has confirmed they could). PCI-e 4 is not even on my radar for her PC right now.
For the purpose of musings, I have an i5-4690K with 16GB of RAM and a GeForce 1060 6GB. I have a 3-monitor 1080p 60z setup currently and a 4K TV is just a cable away. I'm not in any hurry but I'm starting to get the upgrade itch. If you could upgrade either the CPU/RAM/Mobo or the GPU, which would you do and to what? I was debating going to a 2070 Super but I was wondering how much of a bottleneck my 4690K would be (though truth be told, it seems to be holding up very well). And I was curious about 4K gaming though my TV can also do 1080p at 120Hz which sounds nice too.
For the purpose of musings, I have an i5-4690K with 16GB of RAM and a GeForce 1060 6GB. I have a 3-monitor 1080p 60z setup currently and a 4K TV is just a cable away. I'm not in any hurry but I'm starting to get the upgrade itch. If you could upgrade either the CPU/RAM/Mobo or the GPU, which would you do and to what? I was debating going to a 2070 Super but I was wondering how much of a bottleneck my 4690K would be (though truth be told, it seems to be holding up very well). And I was curious about 4K gaming though my TV can also do 1080p at 120Hz which sounds nice too.
This is one of those weird times where usually advice is “if you want to upgrade now, upgrade now”
But honestly, nVidia is launching the 3xxx series probably within the next few months, and AMD also has the big Navi GPU’s coming at some point this year. I would not upgrade form a 1060 to a 2xxx series card with those on the horizon.
On the CPU side, the 4690k is a good part, you’ll see CPU bottleneck it in certain types of games at 1080p, bigger open world style games or heavy compute games like Civ 6. But AMD will be brining the Ryzen 4000 series on the desktop later this year, and that part could scream.
Looking forward in 2021 we’re likely going to see a new socket from AMD, AMD and Intel will also start the transition to DDR5, and you will probably see PCI-e 5.0 and USB 4.0.
So if you want to upgrade the CPU this year, wait at least for Ryzen 4000, but if you can get through one more year, the platform shift in 2021 could be pretty big, and might be worth waiting for if you can.
Overall if it was my money making those decisions I’d upgrade the GPU this year to an RTX 3xxx card or a big Navi card once they are out, and hold onto the CPU/RAM for one more year.
Personally I have a 4790k and an RX 580 and I think I’m going to do a wholesale upgrade next year once the 2021 CPU releases hit. Assuming I get a new job at some point......
Yeah I'm on a 4770 and I've decided to hold out for DDR5 and more PCIe 4 SSD options.
I don't play anything super intensive, though. The only game that I play that won't run 1440p at Ultra is Total Warhammer 2.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
On the one hand, CPU stagnation meant "if you want to upgrade upgrade" was always relevant.
Now that AMD has flipped shit and the "leaks" of the new Nvidia boards show a massive speed update (not to mention the DDR4 to DDR5 change, PICE4 devices, etc), I'm reticent for people to upgrade just yet.
If those Nvidia leaks are to be believed, the 3060 has 166% more raytracing units (80 vs 30) and a significant bump to the the CUDA cores. I still am taking it with salt, but a lot of these early leaks during the Turing lead-up proved to be surprisingly decent at getting a rough picture.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
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I WILL SAY
Now is a good time to fetch some things people see as extraneous but can honestly make your machine much better.
A high quality case or PSU can last for builds, upgrading your fans or fan/RGB controllers, making that sick ass keeb you've been eyeballing, or updating your monitor once the worldwide shortage of these things ends, in an effort to maximize what you have, is always a good time and something people tend to cheap out on when they do their build refreshes.
As an intensely impatient person, I did order a 2070 super a little while ago. It should be shipping soon according to amazon, but I figure that I can sell my current 1060 for some of that cost and if the 3000s come out and are incredible, I can sell this for a really good chunk of that as well.
Now is a good time to fetch some things people see as extraneous but can honestly make your machine much better.
A high quality case or PSU can last for builds, upgrading your fans or fan/RGB controllers, making that sick ass keeb you've been eyeballing, or updating your monitor once the worldwide shortage of these things ends, in an effort to maximize what you have, is always a good time and something people tend to cheap out on when they do their build refreshes.
PSU prices seem outrageous right now. Tons of stuff out of stock, and other things at marked-up prices.
tsmvengy on
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Now is a good time to fetch some things people see as extraneous but can honestly make your machine much better.
A high quality case or PSU can last for builds, upgrading your fans or fan/RGB controllers, making that sick ass keeb you've been eyeballing, or updating your monitor once the worldwide shortage of these things ends, in an effort to maximize what you have, is always a good time and something people tend to cheap out on when they do their build refreshes.
PSU prices seem outrageous right now. Tons of stuff out of stock, and other things at marked-up prices.
What the f
*false Google done previous from writing this*
Oh okay my $90 psu is selling for $150-$300 that's reasonable.
Yeah I'm not in any hurry so that all sounds pretty reasonable. Especially since part of the reason to upgrade would have been for raytracing but I know we're only in the first gen of that so there's a reasonable hope that the next gen will be i decent improvement.
For the purpose of musings, I have an i5-4690K with 16GB of RAM and a GeForce 1060 6GB. I have a 3-monitor 1080p 60z setup currently and a 4K TV is just a cable away. I'm not in any hurry but I'm starting to get the upgrade itch. If you could upgrade either the CPU/RAM/Mobo or the GPU, which would you do and to what? I was debating going to a 2070 Super but I was wondering how much of a bottleneck my 4690K would be (though truth be told, it seems to be holding up very well). And I was curious about 4K gaming though my TV can also do 1080p at 120Hz which sounds nice too.
fellow i5-4690, hi5!
I had a 4690 since 2014. Upgrading to a Ryzen 3600 made a big difference in loading times for games. Or maybe that was the 1TB nvme. Who knows such things?
Children's rights are human rights.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Yeah I'm not in any hurry so that all sounds pretty reasonable. Especially since part of the reason to upgrade would have been for raytracing but I know we're only in the first gen of that so there's a reasonable hope that the next gen will be i decent improvement.
I think the raytracing performance boost will be considerable. They're also moving to 7nm from 12nm, so theoretically they should really be able to boost the flops or whatever actual metric people use to measure GPU performance, and they found that what they alloted for raytracing in the 2XXX series was woefully inadequate.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
But then again, it's Nvidia, so they might yet find a way to dick their customers... so be ready for that eventuality.
For the purpose of musings, I have an i5-4690K with 16GB of RAM and a GeForce 1060 6GB. I have a 3-monitor 1080p 60z setup currently and a 4K TV is just a cable away. I'm not in any hurry but I'm starting to get the upgrade itch. If you could upgrade either the CPU/RAM/Mobo or the GPU, which would you do and to what? I was debating going to a 2070 Super but I was wondering how much of a bottleneck my 4690K would be (though truth be told, it seems to be holding up very well). And I was curious about 4K gaming though my TV can also do 1080p at 120Hz which sounds nice too.
fellow i5-4690, hi5!
I had a 4690 since 2014. Upgrading to a Ryzen 3600 made a big difference in loading times for games. Or maybe that was the 1TB nvme. Who knows such things?
For the purpose of musings, I have an i5-4690K with 16GB of RAM and a GeForce 1060 6GB. I have a 3-monitor 1080p 60z setup currently and a 4K TV is just a cable away. I'm not in any hurry but I'm starting to get the upgrade itch. If you could upgrade either the CPU/RAM/Mobo or the GPU, which would you do and to what? I was debating going to a 2070 Super but I was wondering how much of a bottleneck my 4690K would be (though truth be told, it seems to be holding up very well). And I was curious about 4K gaming though my TV can also do 1080p at 120Hz which sounds nice too.
fellow i5-4690, hi5!
I had a 4690 since 2014. Upgrading to a Ryzen 3600 made a big difference in loading times for games. Or maybe that was the 1TB nvme. Who knows such things?
Did you have an SSD before?
Yes, but it was 128GB big, so big enough for the OS and some productivity software, but not for intense triple-A games.
For the purpose of musings, I have an i5-4690K with 16GB of RAM and a GeForce 1060 6GB. I have a 3-monitor 1080p 60z setup currently and a 4K TV is just a cable away. I'm not in any hurry but I'm starting to get the upgrade itch. If you could upgrade either the CPU/RAM/Mobo or the GPU, which would you do and to what? I was debating going to a 2070 Super but I was wondering how much of a bottleneck my 4690K would be (though truth be told, it seems to be holding up very well). And I was curious about 4K gaming though my TV can also do 1080p at 120Hz which sounds nice too.
fellow i5-4690, hi5!
I had a 4690 since 2014. Upgrading to a Ryzen 3600 made a big difference in loading times for games. Or maybe that was the 1TB nvme. Who knows such things?
Did you have an SSD before?
Yes, but it was 128GB big, so big enough for the OS and some productivity software, but not for intense triple-A games.
Yeah, the difference between loading games from a regular hard drive and any SSD, let alone NVME is huge.
Echoing what's been said, I would grab a RTX 3000/Big Navi card when they come out and wait to do the cpu upgrade until next year.
I wouldn't be super concerned about gpu throttling, at 1080p your cpu is fine where even it shouldn't be much of an issue and if you start using your 4k TV the gpu is going to be the biggest hurdle regardless of processor.
Edit: as an example running at 4k and using a 2600k and RTX 2080 and was getting like 20-30fps in AssCreed Odyssey and when I finally moved to a 3900x my frames only jumped to like 30-40fps.
Although there are plenty of games I'm getting at least 60fps in at 4k so maybe its just AssCreed.
For all the talk about how great AMD has been for using AM4 for 4 generations, some of the implementation seems to be effectively the same as Intel's two generations per chipset method.
E.g. the 300-series AMD motherboards (from Ryzen 1st gen) only some supported 3rd series Ryzen with a "Beta" bios.
Now it seems like 400-series boards (2nd gen Ryzen) won't support 4th-gen Ryzen.
I guess there's a benefit in that if you buy what's new you'll always be able to upgrade to the next generation. But it doesn't look like they intend for you to go more than one.
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SnicketysnickThe Greatest Hype Man inWesterosRegistered Userregular
Echoing what's been said, I would grab a RTX 3000/Big Navi card when they come out and wait to do the cpu upgrade until next year.
I wouldn't be super concerned about gpu throttling, at 1080p your cpu is fine where even it shouldn't be much of an issue and if you start using your 4k TV the gpu is going to be the biggest hurdle regardless of processor.
Edit: as an example running at 4k and using a 2600k and RTX 2080 and was getting like 20-30fps in AssCreed Odyssey and when I finally moved to a 3900x my frames only jumped to like 30-40fps.
Although there are plenty of games I'm getting at least 60fps in at 4k so maybe its just AssCreed.
Odyssey needs some real beef to get high frames even at 1080p so it's probably that
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Now it seems more then bright for myself and the colours do look better.
I guess I was just searing my eyes before thinking it was great.
This just looks better and better. I'm a tad worried about only 4 cores as the new consoles come out, but only a tad.
It will be interesting to see which board vendors want to alienate or retain their customers - this is the kind of thing that people remember.
If my Gigabyte X470 doesn't get Zen3 support, I'll just skip the upgrade and go Zen4 whenever. That way I can pass on a whole system to my nephew.
4 cores 8 threads is a bit low, but for budget gaming that is incredible. Matching an I7 7700K for $120 is impressive as hell.
I did like his comment that this is what CPU innovation used to feel like, and I'm assuming he meant basically any time from 2002 on when AMD and Intel were trading haymakers instead of the Core series stagnation. And I agree.
It's already 11% full.
There are hidden costs to fibre broadband, I tell you.
Well, and a GPU
What you quickly realize is that you just keep more games downloaded "just in case".
No I'm pretty sure that's not what I said
I say sitting atop 20 TB of spinning rust
A B550 would be a better option at this point, assuming that upgrading the CPU will be a consideration
B550 motherboards are over a month away and we're building now. Ryzen 4000 support is not that important to me for this build. There is plenty of upgrade headroom available past the 3600 even if MSI doesn't update the B450 Tomahawk to support Ryzen 4000 (even though AMD has confirmed they could). PCI-e 4 is not even on my radar for her PC right now.
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This is one of those weird times where usually advice is “if you want to upgrade now, upgrade now”
But honestly, nVidia is launching the 3xxx series probably within the next few months, and AMD also has the big Navi GPU’s coming at some point this year. I would not upgrade form a 1060 to a 2xxx series card with those on the horizon.
On the CPU side, the 4690k is a good part, you’ll see CPU bottleneck it in certain types of games at 1080p, bigger open world style games or heavy compute games like Civ 6. But AMD will be brining the Ryzen 4000 series on the desktop later this year, and that part could scream.
Looking forward in 2021 we’re likely going to see a new socket from AMD, AMD and Intel will also start the transition to DDR5, and you will probably see PCI-e 5.0 and USB 4.0.
So if you want to upgrade the CPU this year, wait at least for Ryzen 4000, but if you can get through one more year, the platform shift in 2021 could be pretty big, and might be worth waiting for if you can.
Overall if it was my money making those decisions I’d upgrade the GPU this year to an RTX 3xxx card or a big Navi card once they are out, and hold onto the CPU/RAM for one more year.
Personally I have a 4790k and an RX 580 and I think I’m going to do a wholesale upgrade next year once the 2021 CPU releases hit. Assuming I get a new job at some point......
I don't play anything super intensive, though. The only game that I play that won't run 1440p at Ultra is Total Warhammer 2.
Now that AMD has flipped shit and the "leaks" of the new Nvidia boards show a massive speed update (not to mention the DDR4 to DDR5 change, PICE4 devices, etc), I'm reticent for people to upgrade just yet.
If those Nvidia leaks are to be believed, the 3060 has 166% more raytracing units (80 vs 30) and a significant bump to the the CUDA cores. I still am taking it with salt, but a lot of these early leaks during the Turing lead-up proved to be surprisingly decent at getting a rough picture.
Now is a good time to fetch some things people see as extraneous but can honestly make your machine much better.
A high quality case or PSU can last for builds, upgrading your fans or fan/RGB controllers, making that sick ass keeb you've been eyeballing, or updating your monitor once the worldwide shortage of these things ends, in an effort to maximize what you have, is always a good time and something people tend to cheap out on when they do their build refreshes.
SniperGuyGaming on PSN / SniperGuy710 on Xbone Live
PSU prices seem outrageous right now. Tons of stuff out of stock, and other things at marked-up prices.
What the f
*false Google done previous from writing this*
Oh okay my $90 psu is selling for $150-$300 that's reasonable.
Okay, so scratch the PSU
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fellow i5-4690, hi5!
I had a 4690 since 2014. Upgrading to a Ryzen 3600 made a big difference in loading times for games. Or maybe that was the 1TB nvme. Who knows such things?
I think the raytracing performance boost will be considerable. They're also moving to 7nm from 12nm, so theoretically they should really be able to boost the flops or whatever actual metric people use to measure GPU performance, and they found that what they alloted for raytracing in the 2XXX series was woefully inadequate.
Did you have an SSD before?
Yes, but it was 128GB big, so big enough for the OS and some productivity software, but not for intense triple-A games.
Yeah, the difference between loading games from a regular hard drive and any SSD, let alone NVME is huge.
I wouldn't be super concerned about gpu throttling, at 1080p your cpu is fine where even it shouldn't be much of an issue and if you start using your 4k TV the gpu is going to be the biggest hurdle regardless of processor.
Edit: as an example running at 4k and using a 2600k and RTX 2080 and was getting like 20-30fps in AssCreed Odyssey and when I finally moved to a 3900x my frames only jumped to like 30-40fps.
Although there are plenty of games I'm getting at least 60fps in at 4k so maybe its just AssCreed.
E.g. the 300-series AMD motherboards (from Ryzen 1st gen) only some supported 3rd series Ryzen with a "Beta" bios.
Now it seems like 400-series boards (2nd gen Ryzen) won't support 4th-gen Ryzen.
I guess there's a benefit in that if you buy what's new you'll always be able to upgrade to the next generation. But it doesn't look like they intend for you to go more than one.
Odyssey needs some real beef to get high frames even at 1080p so it's probably that
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