I am reasonably certain AMD said they'd support this chipset/socket until 2020. Years ago.
The "outrage" over this is fucking ridiculous.
They haven't broken any laws, no one is saying that they have. But they have been letting people buy 450s and 470s right up until 5 days ago, without bothering to mention that hey, sucks to be you chumps. They have been touting the upgradability of AM4. They haven't made B550 boards available (even now).
No they didn't explictly promise 400-series compatibility, they never did that. But they didn't offer the 550, and they sure as shit knew that people were buying B450s in the reasonable expectation of Zen3 compatibility - and that their partners were selling those boards on that exact basis - and they never said a damb thing. If they'd said when Zen2 and the X570 chipset launched "oh these boards are the future, you need to get one if you want a Zen3 upgrade", well that would be a shame, but at least people would be making an informed choice. But they let a lot of people buy B450s with 32MB BIOS and they didn't say a fucking word.
Yeah, OK, they can do it that way. It's not illegal, it's just unethical, anti-consumer and recklessly destructive of their brand.
And I can be pissed off about it. Because, to remind you, there is no physical reason that 400-series boards can't be enabled to run Zen3s. It's purely a "business decision" to fuck their customers over.
After this: who is going to be excited about a first generation motherboard for Zen4?
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
There is a physical reason, it's that the CMOS doesnt have enough space to store the instruction sets for this entirely new chip gen.
There are legitimate reasons they didnt do it, acting like it was some evil plot to... give money to board manufacturers and give themselves a black eye (?) is kind of silly.
My pc is built and running well. Just wondering if there's anything maybe i've forgotten on the software side.
Have the newest amd drivers for my gpu and windows is up to date. Is there anything else I should be doing? Haven't checked for a bios update but it's working fine and don't want to mess with that.
You have a 3600 right? I would probably do a BIOS update just because they have been introducing stability fixes and other optimizations. But see what others think too.
Yeah, I do. I'll check for that when I get home. Thank you.
Typically, BIOS updates are not recommended unless you find your system isn't working the way it should. Always research it to determine if what they add/fix is something you might benefit from.
Fucking up the BIOS isn't as bad as it used to be, but still a pain if you don't need to do it.
Double check your device manager to ensure you've installed all support drivers for your MB.
I haven't updated mobo drivers, so i'll take your advice and read if a bios update is necessary and update the drivers. Thank you
A question of case fans, if I can tack that on here. My case came with 1 exhaust fan on the back. It has slots for 5 more. Two in front, two on the bottom and another on top perpendicular to the rear fan.
If I fill all 5 spots, i'd guess the two front and bottom are intake while the top and rear are exhaust?
There is a physical reason, it's that the CMOS doesnt have enough space to store the instruction sets for this entirely new chip gen.
There are legitimate reasons they didnt do it, acting like it was some evil plot to... give money to board manufacturers and give themselves a black eye (?) is kind of silly.
I think this is a bit disingenuous as many B450 boards also have BIOS chips with sizes equivalent to X570 boards (and presumably B550) boards. For example, the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max has a 256 Mb BIOS chip, much like my newer ASUS X570 TUF Gaming Plus. Why couldn't the choice be the board manufacturers choice?
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this is like I was saying the other day, AMD isn't much better than Intel if their boards only last two generations anyway... isn't that the same as what Intel has been doing?
For all the talk about how great AMD has been for using AM4 for 4 generations, some of the implementation seems to be effectively the same as Intel's two generations per chipset method.
E.g. the 300-series AMD motherboards (from Ryzen 1st gen) only some supported 3rd series Ryzen with a "Beta" bios.
Now it seems like 400-series boards (2nd gen Ryzen) won't support 4th-gen Ryzen.
I guess there's a benefit in that if you buy what's new you'll always be able to upgrade to the next generation. But it doesn't look like they intend for you to go more than one.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
There is a physical reason, it's that the CMOS doesnt have enough space to store the instruction sets for this entirely new chip gen.
There are legitimate reasons they didnt do it, acting like it was some evil plot to... give money to board manufacturers and give themselves a black eye (?) is kind of silly.
I think this is a bit disingenuous as many B450 boards also have BIOS chips with sizes equivalent to X570 boards (and presumably B550) boards. For example, the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max has a 256 Mb BIOS chip, much like my newer ASUS X570 TUF Gaming Plus. Why couldn't the choice be the board manufacturers choice?
I mean, if you think they're lying then sure. But the X570's don't support first gen Ryzen like the B450's do.
I don't know why they would punch themselves in the nuts for no actual benefit just to fuck over people who bought them.
I mean presumably they could release a new BIOS that removes compatibility for the oldest Ryzen processors in exchange for adding compatibility for the newest ones, if size is an issue.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
I mean presumably they could release a new BIOS that removes compatibility for the oldest Ryzen processors in exchange for adding compatibility for the newest ones, if size is an issue.
They could, yes.
I don't think it's a good idea, because it promotes a shitty user experience ("oh no I need to find a chip to update my board even though the board manufacturer said it was ready" fucking sucks as a user experience) in exchange for... well, let's be honest, not a whole lot. And then there's people who might install it and brick their system because they are using a 1st gen Ryzen.
It also promotes stratification in products, where you have a product that has differentiation between itself because one supports 123 and the other supports 234 even though it's the same hardware. Because people WILL buy the B450 when they should've bought the B450X and now AMD's products are a confusing mess of bullshit to that customer.
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
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Finally started ordering parts for my daughters system. Ryzen 3600, 5600XT and SSD ordered.
Suddenly Tomahawk MAX boards are out of stock everywhere...so I may end up waiting on B550 whether I like it or not. Also the power supply I was going to get suddenly vanished everywhere (the EVGA G3 650W). It's a bit overkill for a 3600 and a 5600 XT, but it's very likely she'll start getting my hand me downs, so there is a possible future where she has 3950X and a 2080 Ti.
So parts will start to trickle in over the next couple of weeks.
A question of case fans, if I can tack that on here. My case came with 1 exhaust fan on the back. It has slots for 5 more. Two in front, two on the bottom and another on top perpendicular to the rear fan.
If I fill all 5 spots, i'd guess the two front and bottom are intake while the top and rear are exhaust?
I guess you're asking if your idea is good? You don't have to fill all openings with fans. The 'ideal' result is to end up with a positive pressure case to keep dust from settling inside. How you choose to accomplish this is up to you, but it's about getting more air volume into the case than exhausting it.
Also, keep in mind any openings that might not be filtered. So an intake fan may not be a good choice if your work area is prone to dust or animal hair.
Check air flow volume for the fans you have/want. There is no 'one true' placement, but typically the exhaust is nearest the CPU and internal airflow is intended in that direction. Plus, all internal objects can affect air flow and cooling. Keep cable management in mind as well as any other internal structure pieces.
A question of case fans, if I can tack that on here. My case came with 1 exhaust fan on the back. It has slots for 5 more. Two in front, two on the bottom and another on top perpendicular to the rear fan.
If I fill all 5 spots, i'd guess the two front and bottom are intake while the top and rear are exhaust?
I guess you're asking if your idea is good? You don't have to fill all openings with fans. The 'ideal' result is to end up with a positive pressure case to keep dust from settling inside. How you choose to accomplish this is up to you, but it's about getting more air volume into the case than exhausting it.
Also, keep in mind any openings that might not be filtered. So an intake fan may not be a good choice if your work area is prone to dust or animal hair.
Check air flow volume for the fans you have/want. There is no 'one true' placement, but typically the exhaust is nearest the CPU and internal airflow is intended in that direction. Plus, all internal objects can affect air flow and cooling. Keep cable management in mind as well as any other internal structure pieces.
One case fan in the back is probably not enough, I would suggest a couple intake fans at the front, assuming you have a case with the normal front-to-back configuration.
A question of case fans, if I can tack that on here. My case came with 1 exhaust fan on the back. It has slots for 5 more. Two in front, two on the bottom and another on top perpendicular to the rear fan.
If I fill all 5 spots, i'd guess the two front and bottom are intake while the top and rear are exhaust?
I guess you're asking if your idea is good? You don't have to fill all openings with fans. The 'ideal' result is to end up with a positive pressure case to keep dust from settling inside. How you choose to accomplish this is up to you, but it's about getting more air volume into the case than exhausting it.
Also, keep in mind any openings that might not be filtered. So an intake fan may not be a good choice if your work area is prone to dust or animal hair.
Check air flow volume for the fans you have/want. There is no 'one true' placement, but typically the exhaust is nearest the CPU and internal airflow is intended in that direction. Plus, all internal objects can affect air flow and cooling. Keep cable management in mind as well as any other internal structure pieces.
One case fan in the back is probably not enough, I would suggest a couple intake fans at the front, assuming you have a case with the normal front-to-back configuration.
It's a budget case. Aerocool Cylon RGB. My mindset was 'need an atx midtower and oo built in lights, neat'
Looks like the front fan mounts don't have dust shields. The one on top does.
Finally started ordering parts for my daughters system. Ryzen 3600, 5600XT and SSD ordered.
Suddenly Tomahawk MAX boards are out of stock everywhere...so I may end up waiting on B550 whether I like it or not. Also the power supply I was going to get suddenly vanished everywhere (the EVGA G3 650W). It's a bit overkill for a 3600 and a 5600 XT, but it's very likely she'll start getting my hand me downs, so there is a possible future where she has 3950X and a 2080 Ti.
So parts will start to trickle in over the next couple of weeks.
I love the world where a 2080ti is a hand-me down.
A question of case fans, if I can tack that on here. My case came with 1 exhaust fan on the back. It has slots for 5 more. Two in front, two on the bottom and another on top perpendicular to the rear fan.
If I fill all 5 spots, i'd guess the two front and bottom are intake while the top and rear are exhaust?
I guess you're asking if your idea is good? You don't have to fill all openings with fans. The 'ideal' result is to end up with a positive pressure case to keep dust from settling inside. How you choose to accomplish this is up to you, but it's about getting more air volume into the case than exhausting it.
Also, keep in mind any openings that might not be filtered. So an intake fan may not be a good choice if your work area is prone to dust or animal hair.
Check air flow volume for the fans you have/want. There is no 'one true' placement, but typically the exhaust is nearest the CPU and internal airflow is intended in that direction. Plus, all internal objects can affect air flow and cooling. Keep cable management in mind as well as any other internal structure pieces.
Mulletude what case do you have?
One case fan in the back is probably not enough, I would suggest a couple intake fans at the front, assuming you have a case with the normal front-to-back configuration.
It's a budget case. Aerocool Cylon RGB. My mindset was 'need an atx midtower and oo built in lights, neat'
Looks like the front fan mounts don't have dust shields. The one on top does.
Dust filters are nice but not 100% necessary, you just have to clean your case and cpu cooler from time to time.
That said, you could put one fan in the top (bringing air in) one in the back (exhausting air) and one in the front in a position that would blow air under the GPU. The fan mounts over the PSU shroud look pointless to me.
Finally started ordering parts for my daughters system. Ryzen 3600, 5600XT and SSD ordered.
Suddenly Tomahawk MAX boards are out of stock everywhere...
That's what I was complaining about up thread - I ordered one through Best Buy which said out of stock, but would be available for pickup next Friday. A couple days later I got an update that said "hey, you can come pick it up tomorrow! (last Friday)."
So I actually got it after a couple days wait.
Now I'm just waiting on the case and PSU. It feels like I have so LITTLE to install on here. Mobo and PSU goes in the case. CPU, cooler, GPU and RAM go on the motherboard. SSD gets plugged in and... that's that. The only thing that might be missing is the cable to connect the front USB ports, but that probably comes with the case?
It feels suspiciously simple. Maybe it's the total lack of optical drives this time around.
At what point do yall just buy a prebuilt and leave all the technical wizardry to others?
When a prebuilt gives you what you're looking for and you don't want to go through the effort of making it yourself. I put building your own PC at the level of changing the oil and tires on your car. If you've never done it yourself it looks a lot more intimidating than it actually is, 'cause you're draining stuff from your engine and putting more stuff in, and there are filters, and if you do it wrong, your engine will totally ASSPLODES!
The last time I bought a prebuilt computer was when I went to college and what I needed was a monitor, a printer, a HDD and a CD-ROM (yeah, this predated RWs). It gave me everything I needed and I got a good price for it. It made sense. After that, I knew enough to build my own, and instead of looking for a package deal that was 'good enough' I could just say, 'I want this optical drive, that HD capacity, and that mem and graphics card.'
Finally started ordering parts for my daughters system. Ryzen 3600, 5600XT and SSD ordered.
Suddenly Tomahawk MAX boards are out of stock everywhere...
That's what I was complaining about up thread - I ordered one through Best Buy which said out of stock, but would be available for pickup next Friday. A couple days later I got an update that said "hey, you can come pick it up tomorrow! (last Friday)."
So I actually got it after a couple days wait.
Now I'm just waiting on the case and PSU. It feels like I have so LITTLE to install on here. Mobo and PSU goes in the case. CPU, cooler, GPU and RAM go on the motherboard. SSD gets plugged in and... that's that. The only thing that might be missing is the cable to connect the front USB ports, but that probably comes with the case?
It feels suspiciously simple. Maybe it's the total lack of optical drives this time around.
Wait until you install a M.2 drive. Literally everything is on the board except for front panel connectors.
also I spent a while catching up on the whole saga of Ryzen 4000 motherboard compatibility, and my entire response is a shrug, and a grumble that I've used a Haswell laptop CPU as my daily driver for seven years now until this build so I basically cannot comprehend a mindset based around stepping up CPU upgrades that quickly
no, even you, person who bought a B450 earlier this year, you still get a 3600/x and 3700x on your chipset, I don't understand you either, those are god-tier CPUs
I have questions about M.2 SSD lifespan. I have three drives. The M.2 has the OS, Steam, and my heavy games such as 4Xs. Action games and simple games go on either a standard SATA SSD or a regular drive.
Is my use of the M.2 for games shortening the lifespan of my M.2?
I have questions about M.2 SSD lifespan. I have three drives. The M.2 has the OS, Steam, and my heavy games such as 4Xs. Action games and simple games go on either a standard SATA SSD or a regular drive.
Is my use of the M.2 for games shortening the lifespan of my M.2?
It is extremely unlikely unless you're doing something really weird.
Modern SSDs have an expected lifespan better than platter drives now. The main difference is that your SSD will generally run better and longer if you leave a decent amount of unused space. Most SSDs already reserve this provisioning space anyway.
The 120Gb SSD I bought in 2010 still runs fine and never lost any data. The whole "SSDs will wear out!" was always more a hypothetical problem than a real one, and now with drive controllers having pretty advanced wear levelling built in, it's a non-issue. You can still get lemons, like with any other electrical equipment, of course.
In Steam, you can have multiple potential target drives for install. I discovered last night that Gamepass only lets you choose one, and I don't want to keep changing it depending on the title.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
What's the deal with video cards at the moment? I was looking to maybe buy a 2070 Super to replace a failing card, but most of what I'm looking at is either out of stock or at ridiculous prices.
What's the deal with video cards at the moment? I was looking to maybe buy a 2070 Super to replace a failing card, but most of what I'm looking at is either out of stock or at ridiculous prices.
That's p much all computer hardware at the moment.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
I might have to go 5700 XT instead. Will I totally regret it later? Not that I have much of a choice. I kinda need something soon.
Finally started ordering parts for my daughters system. Ryzen 3600, 5600XT and SSD ordered.
Suddenly Tomahawk MAX boards are out of stock everywhere...
That's what I was complaining about up thread - I ordered one through Best Buy which said out of stock, but would be available for pickup next Friday. A couple days later I got an update that said "hey, you can come pick it up tomorrow! (last Friday)."
So I actually got it after a couple days wait.
Now I'm just waiting on the case and PSU. It feels like I have so LITTLE to install on here. Mobo and PSU goes in the case. CPU, cooler, GPU and RAM go on the motherboard. SSD gets plugged in and... that's that. The only thing that might be missing is the cable to connect the front USB ports, but that probably comes with the case?
It feels suspiciously simple. Maybe it's the total lack of optical drives this time around.
Wait until you install a M.2 drive. Literally everything is on the board except for front panel connectors.
What a strange new world we live in...
What are people's feelings on the dao of thermal paste? The cooler that came with the processor already had a layer on it and that should suffice, right? Getting sloppy with too much paste is just as bad as not having enough conductive layer and I would presume the layer on the cooler should be good enough.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Finally started ordering parts for my daughters system. Ryzen 3600, 5600XT and SSD ordered.
Suddenly Tomahawk MAX boards are out of stock everywhere...
That's what I was complaining about up thread - I ordered one through Best Buy which said out of stock, but would be available for pickup next Friday. A couple days later I got an update that said "hey, you can come pick it up tomorrow! (last Friday)."
So I actually got it after a couple days wait.
Now I'm just waiting on the case and PSU. It feels like I have so LITTLE to install on here. Mobo and PSU goes in the case. CPU, cooler, GPU and RAM go on the motherboard. SSD gets plugged in and... that's that. The only thing that might be missing is the cable to connect the front USB ports, but that probably comes with the case?
It feels suspiciously simple. Maybe it's the total lack of optical drives this time around.
Wait until you install a M.2 drive. Literally everything is on the board except for front panel connectors.
What a strange new world we live in...
What are people's feelings on the dao of thermal paste? The cooler that came with the processor already had a layer on it and that should suffice, right? Getting sloppy with too much paste is just as bad as not having enough conductive layer and I would presume the layer on the cooler should be good enough.
Having too much paste is not as bad as not having enough, but it can cause issues if it spills over into components and is electrically conductive.
The layer of thermal material you get on modern coolers is sufficiently good for normal (or even slightly overclocked) operation.
Looking for some advice on what I should be targeting to buy, for a build I need to have done sometime over this summer (between May 25th and Sept 30th). This is going to be a super budget gaming PC for a pair of boys (8 & 10), with a very tight budget of $500(I'm willing to throw in a little extra to help, so lets say a hard cap of $700).
I'm told their primary games are Spore (ugh!) and Subnautica, though I know they also play Pokemon Go and Destiny with their dad some. I unfortunatley gave most of my decent, current(ish) parts to a buddy for a christmas build, so I don't have anything remotely currrent gen to offer beyond a case (an old Lian-Li full tower).
So I need everything really - CPU, Mobo, Ram, SSD, Power Supply, Monitor (though I do have a 15" I can donate with DVI connections). I'm thinking it'll have to use onboard audio and GPU for now, with a future upgrade to an actual video card, unless budget allows for something.
Normally I'd be looking at an AMD b450 build, but it sounds like that's not a good long-term idea. Thoughts on cpu/mobo pairing that would be the best base?
I might have to go 5700 XT instead. Will I totally regret it later? Not that I have much of a choice. I kinda need something soon.
Going by what many people have posted, you'll probably be fine. Most people seem to have no issues, some people seem to be cursed by a witch and can't get their 5700s working no matter what.
Apparently it's a good idea to do a full driver purge before installing, and make sure you're installing the very latest driver. Good practice in any case. Also I am given to understand that disabling 'Game Mode' in Windows during installation and initial testing is helpful.
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Sir CarcassI have been shown the end of my worldRound Rock, TXRegistered Userregular
Does anyone have any opinions on these cards? Kinda thinking about the first one:
I might have to go 5700 XT instead. Will I totally regret it later? Not that I have much of a choice. I kinda need something soon.
Going by what many people have posted, you'll probably be fine. Most people seem to have no issues, some people seem to be cursed by a witch and can't get their 5700s working no matter what.
Apparently it's a good idea to do a full driver purge before installing, and make sure you're installing the very latest driver. Good practice in any case. Also I am given to understand that disabling 'Game Mode' in Windows during installation and initial testing is helpful.
My 5700xt has largely been fine. I think they had some teething issues on the initial driver releases but seem to be fine now.
Does anyone have any opinions on these cards? Kinda thinking about the first one:
If your current card is failing, can you get a cheaper used card until the market stabilizes a bit?
Not really. I'm already kind of at the top of what I'm able to spend just on a new card, and anything I buy to hold over would reduce the budget of the final card.
Does anyone have any opinions on these cards? Kinda thinking about the first one:
If your current card is failing, can you get a cheaper used card until the market stabilizes a bit?
Not really. I'm already kind of at the top of what I'm able to spend just on a new card, and anything I buy to hold over would reduce the budget of the final card.
Powercolour is generally a "top tier" board partner for AMD and given the small difference in price I would go with them.
I hadn't heard of them before which is why I didn't consider them. I'll look into them. Thanks!
If you can find them in your area Sapphire, specifically the Sapphire Nitro series are the best ones but I should say that virtually any card you buy will perform extremely similar. Make the choice based on budget, customer service and warranty.
When I had my 5700xt I had a Sapphire Pulse and it was a great card if you ignore the driver troubles which aren't the cards problem. I am told the driver issues are pretty much sorted at this point though so no issues recommending the 5700xt.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Does anyone have any opinions on these cards? Kinda thinking about the first one:
If your current card is failing, can you get a cheaper used card until the market stabilizes a bit?
Not really. I'm already kind of at the top of what I'm able to spend just on a new card, and anything I buy to hold over would reduce the budget of the final card.
Powercolour is generally a "top tier" board partner for AMD and given the small difference in price I would go with them.
I hadn't heard of them before which is why I didn't consider them. I'll look into them. Thanks!
If you can find them in your area Sapphire, specifically the Sapphire Nitro series are the best ones but I should say that virtually any card you buy will perform extremely similar. Make the choice based on budget, customer service and warranty.
When I had my 5700xt I had a Sapphire Pulse and it was a great card if you ignore the driver troubles which aren't the cards problem. I am told the driver issues are pretty much sorted at this point though so no issues recommending the 5700xt.
I've heard a lot of good things about a lot of those, but the THICC has been ragged on for subpar performance given the absolute unit the actual card is.
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They haven't broken any laws, no one is saying that they have. But they have been letting people buy 450s and 470s right up until 5 days ago, without bothering to mention that hey, sucks to be you chumps. They have been touting the upgradability of AM4. They haven't made B550 boards available (even now).
No they didn't explictly promise 400-series compatibility, they never did that. But they didn't offer the 550, and they sure as shit knew that people were buying B450s in the reasonable expectation of Zen3 compatibility - and that their partners were selling those boards on that exact basis - and they never said a damb thing. If they'd said when Zen2 and the X570 chipset launched "oh these boards are the future, you need to get one if you want a Zen3 upgrade", well that would be a shame, but at least people would be making an informed choice. But they let a lot of people buy B450s with 32MB BIOS and they didn't say a fucking word.
Yeah, OK, they can do it that way. It's not illegal, it's just unethical, anti-consumer and recklessly destructive of their brand.
And I can be pissed off about it. Because, to remind you, there is no physical reason that 400-series boards can't be enabled to run Zen3s. It's purely a "business decision" to fuck their customers over.
After this: who is going to be excited about a first generation motherboard for Zen4?
There are legitimate reasons they didnt do it, acting like it was some evil plot to... give money to board manufacturers and give themselves a black eye (?) is kind of silly.
I haven't updated mobo drivers, so i'll take your advice and read if a bios update is necessary and update the drivers. Thank you
A question of case fans, if I can tack that on here. My case came with 1 exhaust fan on the back. It has slots for 5 more. Two in front, two on the bottom and another on top perpendicular to the rear fan.
If I fill all 5 spots, i'd guess the two front and bottom are intake while the top and rear are exhaust?
I think this is a bit disingenuous as many B450 boards also have BIOS chips with sizes equivalent to X570 boards (and presumably B550) boards. For example, the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max has a 256 Mb BIOS chip, much like my newer ASUS X570 TUF Gaming Plus. Why couldn't the choice be the board manufacturers choice?
I mean, if you think they're lying then sure. But the X570's don't support first gen Ryzen like the B450's do.
I don't know why they would punch themselves in the nuts for no actual benefit just to fuck over people who bought them.
They could, yes.
I don't think it's a good idea, because it promotes a shitty user experience ("oh no I need to find a chip to update my board even though the board manufacturer said it was ready" fucking sucks as a user experience) in exchange for... well, let's be honest, not a whole lot. And then there's people who might install it and brick their system because they are using a 1st gen Ryzen.
It also promotes stratification in products, where you have a product that has differentiation between itself because one supports 123 and the other supports 234 even though it's the same hardware. Because people WILL buy the B450 when they should've bought the B450X and now AMD's products are a confusing mess of bullshit to that customer.
Suddenly Tomahawk MAX boards are out of stock everywhere...so I may end up waiting on B550 whether I like it or not. Also the power supply I was going to get suddenly vanished everywhere (the EVGA G3 650W). It's a bit overkill for a 3600 and a 5600 XT, but it's very likely she'll start getting my hand me downs, so there is a possible future where she has 3950X and a 2080 Ti.
So parts will start to trickle in over the next couple of weeks.
I guess you're asking if your idea is good? You don't have to fill all openings with fans. The 'ideal' result is to end up with a positive pressure case to keep dust from settling inside. How you choose to accomplish this is up to you, but it's about getting more air volume into the case than exhausting it.
Also, keep in mind any openings that might not be filtered. So an intake fan may not be a good choice if your work area is prone to dust or animal hair.
Check air flow volume for the fans you have/want. There is no 'one true' placement, but typically the exhaust is nearest the CPU and internal airflow is intended in that direction. Plus, all internal objects can affect air flow and cooling. Keep cable management in mind as well as any other internal structure pieces.
@Mulletude what case do you have?
One case fan in the back is probably not enough, I would suggest a couple intake fans at the front, assuming you have a case with the normal front-to-back configuration.
It's a budget case. Aerocool Cylon RGB. My mindset was 'need an atx midtower and oo built in lights, neat'
Looks like the front fan mounts don't have dust shields. The one on top does.
I love the world where a 2080ti is a hand-me down.
Dust filters are nice but not 100% necessary, you just have to clean your case and cpu cooler from time to time.
That said, you could put one fan in the top (bringing air in) one in the back (exhausting air) and one in the front in a position that would blow air under the GPU. The fan mounts over the PSU shroud look pointless to me.
God bless integrated Io shields.
So I actually got it after a couple days wait.
Now I'm just waiting on the case and PSU. It feels like I have so LITTLE to install on here. Mobo and PSU goes in the case. CPU, cooler, GPU and RAM go on the motherboard. SSD gets plugged in and... that's that. The only thing that might be missing is the cable to connect the front USB ports, but that probably comes with the case?
It feels suspiciously simple. Maybe it's the total lack of optical drives this time around.
When a prebuilt gives you what you're looking for and you don't want to go through the effort of making it yourself. I put building your own PC at the level of changing the oil and tires on your car. If you've never done it yourself it looks a lot more intimidating than it actually is, 'cause you're draining stuff from your engine and putting more stuff in, and there are filters, and if you do it wrong, your engine will totally ASSPLODES!
The last time I bought a prebuilt computer was when I went to college and what I needed was a monitor, a printer, a HDD and a CD-ROM (yeah, this predated RWs). It gave me everything I needed and I got a good price for it. It made sense. After that, I knew enough to build my own, and instead of looking for a package deal that was 'good enough' I could just say, 'I want this optical drive, that HD capacity, and that mem and graphics card.'
Wait until you install a M.2 drive. Literally everything is on the board except for front panel connectors.
will open up the case for the cable tidying tomorrow
no, even you, person who bought a B450 earlier this year, you still get a 3600/x and 3700x on your chipset, I don't understand you either, those are god-tier CPUs
Is my use of the M.2 for games shortening the lifespan of my M.2?
It is extremely unlikely unless you're doing something really weird.
Modern SSDs have an expected lifespan better than platter drives now. The main difference is that your SSD will generally run better and longer if you leave a decent amount of unused space. Most SSDs already reserve this provisioning space anyway.
The 120Gb SSD I bought in 2010 still runs fine and never lost any data. The whole "SSDs will wear out!" was always more a hypothetical problem than a real one, and now with drive controllers having pretty advanced wear levelling built in, it's a non-issue. You can still get lemons, like with any other electrical equipment, of course.
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
That's p much all computer hardware at the moment.
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
What a strange new world we live in...
What are people's feelings on the dao of thermal paste? The cooler that came with the processor already had a layer on it and that should suffice, right? Getting sloppy with too much paste is just as bad as not having enough conductive layer and I would presume the layer on the cooler should be good enough.
Having too much paste is not as bad as not having enough, but it can cause issues if it spills over into components and is electrically conductive.
The layer of thermal material you get on modern coolers is sufficiently good for normal (or even slightly overclocked) operation.
I'm told their primary games are Spore (ugh!) and Subnautica, though I know they also play Pokemon Go and Destiny with their dad some. I unfortunatley gave most of my decent, current(ish) parts to a buddy for a christmas build, so I don't have anything remotely currrent gen to offer beyond a case (an old Lian-Li full tower).
So I need everything really - CPU, Mobo, Ram, SSD, Power Supply, Monitor (though I do have a 15" I can donate with DVI connections). I'm thinking it'll have to use onboard audio and GPU for now, with a future upgrade to an actual video card, unless budget allows for something.
Normally I'd be looking at an AMD b450 build, but it sounds like that's not a good long-term idea. Thoughts on cpu/mobo pairing that would be the best base?
Going by what many people have posted, you'll probably be fine. Most people seem to have no issues, some people seem to be cursed by a witch and can't get their 5700s working no matter what.
Apparently it's a good idea to do a full driver purge before installing, and make sure you're installing the very latest driver. Good practice in any case. Also I am given to understand that disabling 'Game Mode' in Windows during installation and initial testing is helpful.
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
My 5700xt has largely been fine. I think they had some teething issues on the initial driver releases but seem to be fine now.
If your current card is failing, can you get a cheaper used card until the market stabilizes a bit?
Not really. I'm already kind of at the top of what I'm able to spend just on a new card, and anything I buy to hold over would reduce the budget of the final card.
I hadn't heard of them before which is why I didn't consider them. I'll look into them. Thanks!
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
If you can find them in your area Sapphire, specifically the Sapphire Nitro series are the best ones but I should say that virtually any card you buy will perform extremely similar. Make the choice based on budget, customer service and warranty.
When I had my 5700xt I had a Sapphire Pulse and it was a great card if you ignore the driver troubles which aren't the cards problem. I am told the driver issues are pretty much sorted at this point though so no issues recommending the 5700xt.
I've heard a lot of good things about a lot of those, but the THICC has been ragged on for subpar performance given the absolute unit the actual card is.
Sapphire is top tier good shit.