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  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    I'm trying to decide between 3080 and 3070. Hopefully there is supply, but like new chips I'm not holding my breath.

  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Bullhead wrote: »
    hoodie13 wrote: »
    Help! The lights on the front panel of my PC case have gone crazy and I can only sometimes turn them off! I just built this Sunday, worked like a dream since then. Yesterday afternoon I installed an additional SSD. I'm pretty sure I had everything correctly connected and all, but when I went to turn on the PC the front panel lights of my Lian Li LANCOOL II started flickering like mad. The buttons on top of the case don't seem to change anything materially (just maybe change the frequency of the flashing) and the MSI Dragon Center app that controls all the other RGB on the motherboard has no effect on the front panel. It'll change the RAM and RGB on the actual mobo, but no effect at all on the panel.

    I'm thinking the panel or case had some kind of surge? Or something? I just now got the lights to turn off, but it's a complete crapshoot as to whether I can do it again. Everything else in the computer works great.

    I'd appreciate any help you can give.

    @hoodie13

    Barring a part failure that sounds like a short - loose/partially connected cable maybe. I'd take a look at all the connnecitons involved and make sure something didn't come loose (or somehow end up touching something else).

    Thanks. I took apart the whole thing just now and reconnected, and no change. Pretty sure the case lights themselves are borked. Now to figure out how to get support from Lian Li.

    edit: replacement case coming Wednesday, so that's good

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Cormac wrote: »
    Dixon wrote: »
    Mulletude wrote: »
    Dixon wrote: »
    Hmmmm, now I don't know what to do if this is true.

    Rumored 3070rtx TI with 16gb of RAM, maybe it's actually a 3080.

    I would want a 3080 with more memory, so I may actually wait now.

    Link to PC Gamer Article

    I think TI or Super variants are inevitable

    I know just not this soon, and it seems it is it's just regular ddr6. So I guess a bit of a difference, but still.

    Ti or Super variants are likely but for the 3070 I wouldn't expect that for 6+ months at least. You could always sell the 3080 and put that money towards a possible 3070 Super. When benchmarks come out 10GB of GDDR6X may be better than 16GB of GDDR6. Even with more memory the 3080 is still going to be faster and you'll have the faster card now as opposed to a theoretical card that may not come out for a long time.

    There is always something better coming with tech. Always in the next few months. If you have the money now and need to upgrade just buy the card now.

    This. I bought a PC with a 2080 Super in early June. Seeing this new 30XX lineup is exciting, but in no way dimishes the fact that I got an amazing deal on a top-of-the-line PC that I have been able to use for the past 3 months. Even if I were to upgrade immediately (LOL nope), it would be another 2+ months before I'd want to pull the trigger on one of these new GPUs, and by then I've basically had and used a brand-new PC for 6 months. Time which would've been spent with a worse PC if I hadn't bought it.

    Opportunity cost is always a thing, and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. There's always going to be bigger and better technology.

    The older I get the more it feels like you're pretty much always better off getting mid-tier or slightly-above mid-tier on a regular basis unless you have money to burn and desperately want to always be seeing the latest and greatest. The premium is incredibly expensive and at the end of the day you can get the exact same gaming experience for far cheaper and with far less hassle just by waiting a few months or longer and playing "behind the curve". This feels especially true given the modern software business model of DLC/expansion releases where many games seem to need several months or years to actually reach a mature state, at which point you can pay $40 for the whole thing instead of $60+$10+$5+$10+$5+$5+$5 for everything on an incremental basis.

  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited September 2020
    The only people I feel bad for are the ones who very recently bought an expensive 2000 series card. Hopefully they are within their return period.

    As for my 2080 TI? I bought it in January of last year, I've gotten 20 months out of it. I'm definitely not sad at all that people are going to be able to buy a card as good as this for 500 bucks. That's rad for them.

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  • MaguanoMaguano Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Maguano wrote: »
    the comptroller has greenlighted a PC rebuild. I'm an hour drive from a microcenter, so the 60 bux saved on an AMD 3700X is worth the trip (with the additional 20 off for a mobo).. question for the hive mind..MSI B550 MAG Tomahawk or ASUS X570 TUF Gaming Plus WIFI (really don't need the wifi, but it is handy) . I'm using a fractal define R5 so RGB is lost on me.
    There's an MSI B550 board that isn't great with heat dissipation, but I don't think it's the Tomahawk. I picked up the TUF Gaming Plus and like it well enough.

    thanks! its alive, alive!
    /e of to install some more things to tax it.

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    So uhhh, the 3000 series cards all have SLI connectors on their top edges...

    Is Tri-SLI still a thing that is possible? Does anyone even make motherboards capable of such a thing anymore?

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    So uhhh, the 3000 series cards all have SLI connectors on their top edges...

    Is Tri-SLI still a thing that is possible? Does anyone even make motherboards capable of such a thing anymore?

    SLI is dead and none of the cards support it.

  • CormacCormac Registered User regular
    So uhhh, the 3000 series cards all have SLI connectors on their top edges...

    Is Tri-SLI still a thing that is possible? Does anyone even make motherboards capable of such a thing anymore?

    SLI is not a thing anymore for gaming as nothing, barely even Nvidia's own drivers, support it anymore. There may some rendering, scientific, or non-gaming applications that do support 2-4 card SLI.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Cormac wrote: »
    So uhhh, the 3000 series cards all have SLI connectors on their top edges...

    Is Tri-SLI still a thing that is possible? Does anyone even make motherboards capable of such a thing anymore?

    SLI is not a thing anymore for gaming as nothing, barely even Nvidia's own drivers, support it anymore. There may some rendering, scientific, or non-gaming applications that do support 2-4 card SLI.

    The only multi-card thing now is NV Link, and Nvidia has killed SLI dead since the 20XX series

  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Absalon wrote: »
    I wonder if Nvidia's pricing was partially influenced by the lack of a leap of faith from Sony and MS. "Oh, neither of you want to come out first in this macro environment? We'll just try to get as many punters as possible to consider/decide on committing their entertainment budget to PC gaming in September/October, before you even get to launch."

    So this is a factor but the bigger one is guessing where AMD can probably afford to price their cards. They don't want to do another "super" rebrand with effective $100+ price drops in a few months to match AMD, even if the current market would bear higher prices. Console power and pricing is somewhat tied to AMD's cards anyway since they are the ones powering the consoles.

    The frequency with which console "exclusives" show up on PC these days makes me really wonder if there is that much competition between PCs and consoles anyway.

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Cormac wrote: »
    So uhhh, the 3000 series cards all have SLI connectors on their top edges...

    Is Tri-SLI still a thing that is possible? Does anyone even make motherboards capable of such a thing anymore?

    SLI is not a thing anymore for gaming as nothing, barely even Nvidia's own drivers, support it anymore. There may some rendering, scientific, or non-gaming applications that do support 2-4 card SLI.

    The only multi-card thing now is NV Link, and Nvidia has killed SLI dead since the 20XX series

    Ah so "NVLink" is what I need to convince my better half is a good idea.

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  • danxdanx Registered User regular
    Is there a good looking 3000 series AIB card yet? So far the EVGA FTW is actually one of the least ugly ones. The MSI Gaming X Trio is horrid.

    https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-x-trio-10gb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-36b-ms.html

  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    I'm very curious to see benchmarks comparing the 3080 to the 2080 Ti, especially in terms of how much RTX-specific functions benefit, but I'm thinking that for once I'll be patient and wait for a few months or so to see if they'll announce a 3080 Ti. The 3090 looks tasty, but it also looks like utter overkill for my setup.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Cormac wrote: »
    So uhhh, the 3000 series cards all have SLI connectors on their top edges...

    Is Tri-SLI still a thing that is possible? Does anyone even make motherboards capable of such a thing anymore?

    SLI is not a thing anymore for gaming as nothing, barely even Nvidia's own drivers, support it anymore. There may some rendering, scientific, or non-gaming applications that do support 2-4 card SLI.

    The only multi-card thing now is NV Link, and Nvidia has killed SLI dead since the 20XX series

    Ah so "NVLink" is what I need to convince my better half is a good idea.

    if it helps, it's only on the 3090. BUt I guess if you have 3k laying around...

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  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions USAgent PSN: USAgent31Registered User regular
    danx wrote: »
    Is there a good looking 3000 series AIB card yet? So far the EVGA FTW is actually one of the least ugly ones. The MSI Gaming X Trio is horrid.

    https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-x-trio-10gb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-36b-ms.html

    I think the ASUS ROG Strix is the least ugly one: https://wccftech.com/asus-rog-strix-geforce-rtx-3090-rtx-3080-rtx-3070-custom-graphics-cards-leak/

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  • DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Thirith wrote: »
    I'm very curious to see benchmarks comparing the 3080 to the 2080 Ti, especially in terms of how much RTX-specific functions benefit, but I'm thinking that for once I'll be patient and wait for a few months or so to see if they'll announce a 3080 Ti. The 3090 looks tasty, but it also looks like utter overkill for my setup.

    There is a video on pcgamer, with Doom Eternal running on both. It's a massive FPS difference, more than I expected. like 50% higher FPS on average it seems.

    Doom Eternal 4k 3080 vs 2080Ti

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  • ED!ED! Registered User regular
    I just saw the prices for the new NVIDIA cards. Wowzers. I am thinking of getting the 3070, but really looking at the 3080 hard. I got a 5700 less than a year ago and have had no shortage of problems with it (driver issues, bloated software, not recognizing basic resolutions). I never had an issue with the 1060 that it replaced.

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  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    danx wrote: »
    Is there a good looking 3000 series AIB card yet? So far the EVGA FTW is actually one of the least ugly ones. The MSI Gaming X Trio is horrid.

    https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-x-trio-10gb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-36b-ms.html

    I think the ASUS ROG Strix is the least ugly one: https://wccftech.com/asus-rog-strix-geforce-rtx-3090-rtx-3080-rtx-3070-custom-graphics-cards-leak/

    supposedly the NVIDIA cards are actually super improved in noise and thermals

    like, if what they're claiming is accurate, they're better than the AIB solutions

    only problem is 1) stock and 2) dealing with Nvidia's 3rd party support

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    I am not yet convinced that the new cooling system isn't going to just create other problems. Blowing hot air directly onto your CPU cooler is a concerning idea.

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  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions USAgent PSN: USAgent31Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    I am not yet convinced that the new cooling system isn't going to just create other problems. Blowing hot air directly onto your CPU cooler is a concerning idea.

    If you have a rear exhaust fan, wouldn't it just pull that out. I mean it's not ideal but I think most cases have that 120mm right there.

  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    I am not yet convinced that the new cooling system isn't going to just create other problems. Blowing hot air directly onto your CPU cooler is a concerning idea.

    If you have a rear exhaust fan, wouldn't it just pull that out. I mean it's not ideal but I think most cases have that 120mm right there.

    It depends on exactly where it's positioned on the card. Some of the mockups have it looking like it would literally vent directly into your CPU's heatsink, which would be really bad. If it's positioned closer to the rear of the case it might be less of a concern.

  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    Dixon wrote: »
    Thirith wrote: »
    I'm very curious to see benchmarks comparing the 3080 to the 2080 Ti, especially in terms of how much RTX-specific functions benefit, but I'm thinking that for once I'll be patient and wait for a few months or so to see if they'll announce a 3080 Ti. The 3090 looks tasty, but it also looks like utter overkill for my setup.

    There is a video on pcgamer, with Doom Eternal running on both. It's a massive FPS difference, more than I expected. like 50% higher FPS on average it seems.

    Doom Eternal 4k 3080 vs 2080Ti
    Thanks, I'll check that one out. I'm thinking that if no 3080 Ti materialises within the next 6-12 months, I might eventually get a 3080, but right now that would be purely motivated by a profound lack of self-control, since everything runs pretty smoothly on my 3440x1440 screen. Sure, Control with full raytracing could be a bit smoother, but other than that I have no actual *need* for a faster and better GPU.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Thirith wrote: »
    Dixon wrote: »
    Thirith wrote: »
    I'm very curious to see benchmarks comparing the 3080 to the 2080 Ti, especially in terms of how much RTX-specific functions benefit, but I'm thinking that for once I'll be patient and wait for a few months or so to see if they'll announce a 3080 Ti. The 3090 looks tasty, but it also looks like utter overkill for my setup.

    There is a video on pcgamer, with Doom Eternal running on both. It's a massive FPS difference, more than I expected. like 50% higher FPS on average it seems.

    Doom Eternal 4k 3080 vs 2080Ti
    Thanks, I'll check that one out. I'm thinking that if no 3080 Ti materialises within the next 6-12 months, I might eventually get a 3080, but right now that would be purely motivated by a profound lack of self-control, since everything runs pretty smoothly on my 3440x1440 screen. Sure, Control with full raytracing could be a bit smoother, but other than that I have no actual *need* for a faster and better GPU.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    https://www.newegg.com/asus-pa278qv-27-wqhd/p/N82E16824281062?&quicklink=true

    someone please convince me not to buy this and a 3080

    please

    I beg you

    stay my hand

  • Trajan45Trajan45 Registered User regular
    As I'm screwing around with iBuyPower, I realized I could use a bit of a primer for the rest of the PC landscape here. Please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something.

    Video Cards: Nvidia had their announcement and AMD will have one later, maybe around Nov. The main thing would be to make sure to get a power supply above 750w. Also having a motherboard with PCIe 4.0 may be a good idea as Nvidia at least supports it.

    Hard Drives: We have some new NVM PCIe 4.0 options that should be out here soon. With a normal SSD as a good idea for backup.

    CPU: Right now it seems AMD is the king of value here. Intel beats them in some game tests but the price factor would swing it in AMD's favor. Sounds like there might be a release here later this year where AMD will beat Intel's single thread game performance as well.

    Motherboards: For AMD there is the budget B550 and the X570. Looks like the X570 is the one to go with here as it has PCIe 4.0 support.

    Memory: Looking at 32GB's. Any reason to look at the DDR4-3600 or 4000 versions? In the past the faster sticks seemed to have worse CAS which made the improvement pretty much a wash.

    Cooling: Are the AMD CPU's really hot or something? I picked the R7 3800XT and it mentioned it was recommended to grab at least a 240mm liquid cooling solution. At least today, I'm leaning towards non-liquid cooling as they just last longer. I don't need to worry about leaks or them dying and replacement.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    As I'm screwing around with iBuyPower, I realized I could use a bit of a primer for the rest of the PC landscape here. Please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something.

    Video Cards: Nvidia had their announcement and AMD will have one later, maybe around Nov. The main thing would be to make sure to get a power supply above 750w. Also having a motherboard with PCIe 4.0 may be a good idea as Nvidia at least supports it.

    Hard Drives: We have some new NVM PCIe 4.0 options that should be out here soon. With a normal SSD as a good idea for backup.

    CPU: Right now it seems AMD is the king of value here. Intel beats them in some game tests but the price factor would swing it in AMD's favor. Sounds like there might be a release here later this year where AMD will beat Intel's single thread game performance as well.

    Motherboards: For AMD there is the budget B550 and the X570. Looks like the X570 is the one to go with here as it has PCIe 4.0 support.
    Pretty much nailed it on all of these.
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    Memory: Looking at 32GB's. Any reason to look at the DDR4-3600 or 4000 versions? In the past the faster sticks seemed to have worse CAS which made the improvement pretty much a wash.
    It really depends on your processor. Right now the 3xxx Ryzens see gains in performance up until about 3800 MHz (although it is often hard to get memory running stably above 3600 MHz on these CPUs), with lower CAS latency providing modest gains but not better than raw frequency. It's not clear yet how/if this will change with the 4xxx Ryzens. edit: one thing on memory, read reviews of any kits you're looking at and try to grab Samsung B-dies if getting the most out of your memory is really important to you. There is a very useful Ryzen DRAM calculator that can really help you optimize memory performance so getting a sense of what kits are performing well for folks will be a big help.
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    Cooling: Are the AMD CPU's really hot or something? I picked the R7 3800XT and it mentioned it was recommended to grab at least a 240mm liquid cooling solution. At least today, I'm leaning towards non-liquid cooling as they just last longer. I don't need to worry about leaks or them dying and replacement.
    Pretty much all the more powerful CPUs run hot these days. You don't need a liquid cooler though, even the 3950X can be air cooled with a sufficiently good cooler (the Noctua DH15 is the gold standard right now).

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  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions USAgent PSN: USAgent31Registered User regular
    Right now I'm torn between grabbing the FE because it looks pretty clean, the ASUS ROG Strix and the EVGA one. The red piping would essentially not even be seen based on where it is on the card, really comes down to price/performance of their base clock.

  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    https://www.newegg.com/asus-pa278qv-27-wqhd/p/N82E16824281062?&quicklink=true

    someone please convince me not to buy this and a 3080

    please

    I beg you

    stay my hand

    why would anyone do such a horrible thing like that to you

  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    you were all too late i ordered it and got my wife's blessing to try and get a 3080 if I can beat the bots

    you monsters

    this is your fault

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    Yes, the Ryzen 3000 series CPU's are warm. My 3900X regularly hovers at 40-50C during regular usage, with an AIO in play. My 3950X runs a bit cooler because it's a better binned chip, and is on a 360 AIO instead of a 240...but it still runs much hotter on average than my 8700K did. Of course, in both cases, it's quite literally double (or better) the cores. They just run warm. I've adjusted my mental model to it and don't freak out over the temps anymore.

    Re: the Nvidia cooler design and blowing hot air at your CPU. It shouldn't be that bad provided you have exhaust built in to your airflow. The back fan that blows up passes over the heatpipes, but not directly over the die area like the forward fan does (the one that acts as direct GPU exhaust). I doubt it causes that much issue for people that already had proper airflow in their case. Also a total non-issue if you're running an AIO. Remember that all dual and triple axial cards today basically just exhaust all the GPU waste heat in to your case. They may not blow directly at your CPU, but all the waste heat of those cards ends up having to be moved out by your exhaust fans anyway.

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  • MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    you were all too late i ordered it and got my wife's blessing to try and get a 3080 if I can beat the bots

    you monsters

    this is your fault

    Why is that 1/3 the price of a PG279Q? What am I missing?

  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    Mugsley wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    you were all too late i ordered it and got my wife's blessing to try and get a 3080 if I can beat the bots

    you monsters

    this is your fault

    Why is that 1/3 the price of a PG279Q? What am I missing?

    At a glance, it has no variable refresh and doesn't even bother to list the refresh rate. That's probably why. It's not paying the "gamer tax" for VRR and high refresh.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    It maxes out at 75 Hz and doesn't have Gsync, is why.

    Even 60 fps looks perfectly okay to my eyes so it would not be worth it for me to pay extra for those features (adaptive sync I don't even think is that useful if the monitor doesn't have a high native refresh rate, since maxing out the refresh rate of the monitor becomes much easier).

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  • Trajan45Trajan45 Registered User regular
    One last question, power supplies. I was reading that getting a platinum 1000w+ version can end up being more energy efficient since your load is in the 50% power draw range. Is that true?

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    Trajan45 wrote: »
    One last question, power supplies. I was reading that getting a platinum 1000w+ version can end up being more energy efficient since your load is in the 50% power draw range. Is that true?

    Yes, in theory this is true. Power supplies have an efficiency curve and it's peek is generally well below max power output. You can generally find the efficiency curve for most PSU's with some digging.
    3clipse wrote: »
    It maxes out at 75 Hz and doesn't have Gsync, is why.

    Even 60 fps looks perfectly okay to my eyes so it would not be worth it for me to pay extra for those features.

    I am not this person. I can see the difference up to about 100'ish frames. I can see the ghosting at 60 versus 100+ very easily. Everyone's eyes are different. I think above 100 FPS becomes more about latency than visual image quality, which probably only matters to competitive FPS players.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    Yeah I mean I am definitely not trying to say "you can't see the difference above 60 frames!!!!" just I personally haven't noticed enough of a difference with very high framerates that it's worth it to me to pay an extra $900 for.

    edit: the 150+ Hz stuff does mostly seem to matter for CSGO pros and the like, but I am sure there is someone who can notice a difference.

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  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Yeah I mean I am definitely not trying to say "you can't see the difference above 60 frames!!!!" just I personally haven't noticed enough of a difference with very high framerates that it's worth it to me to pay an extra $900 for.

    edit: the 150+ Hz stuff does mostly seem to matter for CSGO pros and the like, but I am sure there is someone who can notice a difference.

    The real trick with 150hz + stuff is less the refresh rate and more the monitors ability to drive the pixel change at speed. If the pixel change still only gets half way to the new color before a new frame comes in, you're going to see ghosting and smearing as if you were running a slower refresh rate monitor.

    So if you get a 240hz Gsync monitor, you may find that it actually gets outpaced around 170 hz and you lose whatever noticeable difference it should be providing visually.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    This is why good monitor reviews will test things like gray to gray and sub-pixel response times, because at very high refresh rates you start to run up against that kind of stuff outside of the top top end panels.

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  • LD50LD50 Registered User regular
    I didn't think I would be able to tell a smoothness difference between my 144hz monitor and the new 240zh one but I was wrong.

  • SoggybiscuitSoggybiscuit Tandem Electrostatic Accelerator Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    The best thing about the high refresh rate monitors and GSync or FreeSync (to me) is the near complete elimination of tearing. Nothing interrupts my enjoyment of a game more than screen tearing. I don't know if they improve my gameplay in other ways or not.

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