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The General [Coronavirus] Discussion Thread Mk II

BogartBogart Streetwise HerculesRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
edited April 2020 in Debate and/or Discourse
Given the volume of discussion around this topic, we're gonna be doing things a bit differently until further notice. Instead of one thread, we'll be using two and a half threads.
  • An updates and information thread. News about response efforts, updates on the spread of the virus, new resources to keep track of news, political developments directly related to the virus, etc. No rumors, no twitter randos, do your best to make sure it's verified information before posting to this thread.
  • A general coronavirus discussion thread. How things are happening in your town, how you're doing, how your family is doing, and other things you don't think go into the updates thread this goes in the general thread.
  • The existing chat thread. There are lots of 'fun' or interesting things, posts tangentially related to the disease, cool videos, twitter posts, etc, that aren't news, or really something to discuss. Feel free to post them in the existing chat thread, because it's there for you, even if you don't usually post there. They're not all bad people. It's there, you might as well use it.

This should help us have some readable threads, given the current volume of posts.

I'll be using my move posts powers occasionally, to keep things where they belong, so don't be surprised if that happens.

Burrack made a thread for lockdown resources, so you might want to look at that as well.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    Who could have known something that has been widely reported for several months?

  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    Is he just a liar or is he actually that ignorant? The eternal question.

  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    Being able to spread something while not showing symptoms is not even remotely unique to Covid-19. Fuckin' moron.

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    If Covid-19 works like a cold then it’s not contagious when your coughy colleague comes back to work and says “I don’t feel 100 but I’m not contagious anymore though”.

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  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    Is he just a liar or is he actually that ignorant? The eternal question.

    Yes.

    If you were lying you surely wouldn’t say something like that out loud, when it could be easily disproven. But in the age of trump brazen rewriting of history and gaslighting is just the norm

    But Jesus Christ that is maddening. Ignorance is no excuse when you have access to experts and the information and just refuse to listen or make the effort.

    It’s basically a criminal dereliction of duty if true

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Absolutely insane. And half he people listening will believe it, while knowing it's wrong, at the same time

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  • RehabRehab Registered User regular
    There have been so many instances of panel backdrops wherein various experts are trying not to show in their faces that they are disgusted, shocked, or just amazed at the ignorance of certain people speaking as they are being broadcast lately. I can't help but feel bad for them and anyone getting told they asked a "nasty" question or some other knee jerk predictable non answer as we go through the same old bullshit circus of lies and misdirection time and time again (just now on a daily basis).

    The rate of alarmingly corrupt and harmful situations this admin creates in a typical week when we don't have a pandemic on our hands is bad enough. Lately it seems like there is barely time to report on and take in any particular crisis before another just as bad or worse is blowing up across headlines everywhere. The usual moving target and too many escalating horrors assault but now with a virus and election desperations thrown in the mix.

    (Sorry that became such a rant)

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Fun fact did you know Quarantine as a word originates from Quarantena, which was the 40 days that Venetian Ships were required to be isolated for when they came home due to plague and such

    Well it's 20+20, I'm just saying

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
    What if accusations that dems were politicizing it projection to the point where the Trump campaign is literally saying to use the daily briefings to attack opponemts.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-campaign-tells-surrogates-paint-biden-opposition-coronavirus-war-n1174506
    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's re-election campaign urged surrogates in a call Wednesday to capitalize on the coronavirus pandemic to attack his rival Joe Biden and other Democrats as "the opposition" in Trump's war against the outbreak, according to a person who participated in the call.

    "This is the bottom line: President Trump is leading the nation in this war against the coronavirus, and Joe Biden, the Democrats and the media have decided to be the opposition in that war," Tim Murtaugh, the campaign's director of communications, said in a phone conversation with surrogates, according to the source.
    Other officials on the call, including campaign manager Brad Parscale and senior adviser Lara Trump, the president's daughter-in-law, pointed to the increase in the number of Americans watching the news and encouraged surrogates to capitalize on the attention not to bolster Trump's handling of the pandemic but to attack Biden.

    "I know everyone is worried making sure everyone thinks the president is doing a great job on this," Parscale said, according to the source, but "we need to continue to pick up the pace" on Biden.
    re-election campaign urged surrogates in a call Wednesday to capitalize on the coronavirus pandemic to attack his rival Joe Biden and other Democrats as "the opposition" in Trump's war against the outbreak, according to a person who participated in the call.

    "This is the bottom line: President Trump is leading the nation in this war against the coronavirus, and Joe Biden, the Democrats and the media have decided to be the opposition in that war," Tim Murtaugh, the campaign's director of communications, said in a phone conversation with surrogates, according to the source.
    Isn't the opposition in a war against the virus the freaking virus?

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  • EvermournEvermourn Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Isn't the opposition in a war against the virus the freaking virus?
    Not sure what planet you've been living on the last few years. This is pretty standard. Ignore the facts, blame the Dems, profit.

  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
    The president of the French hotspot region Grand Est has claimed on TV channel RTL that the US is buying up already ordered facemasks in China, basically going directly to the airfield and paying multiples of the order cost in cash.
    Can't find an English source. French maybe?
    http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/des-masques-commandes-par-la-france-rachetes-au-pied-des-avions-par-les-americains-01-04-2020-8292483.php

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  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    What if accusations that dems were politicizing it projection to the point where the Trump campaign is literally saying to use the daily briefings to attack opponemts.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-campaign-tells-surrogates-paint-biden-opposition-coronavirus-war-n1174506
    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's re-election campaign urged surrogates in a call Wednesday to capitalize on the coronavirus pandemic to attack his rival Joe Biden and other Democrats as "the opposition" in Trump's war against the outbreak, according to a person who participated in the call.

    "This is the bottom line: President Trump is leading the nation in this war against the coronavirus, and Joe Biden, the Democrats and the media have decided to be the opposition in that war," Tim Murtaugh, the campaign's director of communications, said in a phone conversation with surrogates, according to the source.
    Other officials on the call, including campaign manager Brad Parscale and senior adviser Lara Trump, the president's daughter-in-law, pointed to the increase in the number of Americans watching the news and encouraged surrogates to capitalize on the attention not to bolster Trump's handling of the pandemic but to attack Biden.

    "I know everyone is worried making sure everyone thinks the president is doing a great job on this," Parscale said, according to the source, but "we need to continue to pick up the pace" on Biden.
    re-election campaign urged surrogates in a call Wednesday to capitalize on the coronavirus pandemic to attack his rival Joe Biden and other Democrats as "the opposition" in Trump's war against the outbreak, according to a person who participated in the call.

    "This is the bottom line: President Trump is leading the nation in this war against the coronavirus, and Joe Biden, the Democrats and the media have decided to be the opposition in that war," Tim Murtaugh, the campaign's director of communications, said in a phone conversation with surrogates, according to the source.
    Isn't the opposition in a war against the virus the freaking virus?

    The virus isn't the opposition, it's the battlefield.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/business/coronavirus-economy-trump.html
    WASHINGTON — White House economists published a study last September that warned a pandemic disease could kill a half million Americans and devastate the economy.

    It went unheeded inside the administration.

    In late February and early March, as the coronavirus pandemic began to spread from China to the rest of the world, President Trump’s top economic advisers played down the threat the virus posed to the U.S. economy and public health.

    “I don’t think corona is as big a threat as people make it out to be,” the acting chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, Tomas Philipson, told reporters during a Feb. 18 briefing, on the same day that more than a dozen American cruise ship passengers who had contracted the virus were evacuated home. Public health threats did not typically hurt the economy, Mr. Philipson said. He suggested the virus would not be nearly as bad as a normal flu season.

    The 2019 study warned otherwise — specifically urging Americans not to conflate the risks of a typical flu and a pandemic. The existence of that warning undermines administration officials’ contentions in recent weeks that no one could have seen the virus damaging the economy as it has. The study was requested by the National Security Council, according to two people familiar with the matter.
    Ms. Scherbina based her estimates on the models she built when she was a senior economist at the Council of Economic Advisers and an author of the September paper, “Mitigating the Impact of Pandemic Influenza Through Vaccine Innovation,” which warned of potentially catastrophic death tolls and economic damage from a pandemic flu in the United States.
    Mr. Philipson, whose academic specialty is health economics, was the acting head of the council when the September report was published. He told reporters in late February that the administration was taking a “wait and see” approach before it began any analysis of possible damage to the economy from the virus.

    “If you look at the resilience of the economy to a public health threat,” he said, “certainly we have much bigger threats than the coronavirus.” He went on to recite the number of deaths each year from a typical flu strain.


    The study published the previous fall had warned against such a comparison. “People may conflate the high expected costs of pandemic flu with the far more common, lower-cost seasonal flu,” the study said. “It is not surprising that people might underappreciate the economic and health risks posed by pandemic flu and not invest in ways to reduce these risks.”
    It is kind of darkly comical the person who was the head of the Council of Economic Advisers downplayed the possible harm of COVID-19 by comparing it to the flu when he had access to a study whose conclusion was that a pandemic strain of the flu could wreck the economy.

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  • JakarrdJakarrd In the belly of OklahomaRegistered User regular
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/testing-coronavirus-blindspots-157993
    Georgia, Michigan and Oklahoma are among the states where coronavirus outbreaks are intensifying — and where per capita testing rates are some of the lowest in the nation. While hard-hit New York state was testing more than 950 out of every 100,000 people as of Monday, Georgia was only testing 127 and Oklahoma 43. That raises the likelihood that these states are severely underestimating the size of their outbreaks.
    “There’s a perfect storm I worry about in certain states where their commonality is that they have low testing and low social distancing guidelines,” Slavitt told POLITICO. Oklahoma, for instance, has put in place limited “stay at home” guidelines that apply to the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions, rather than the general public.
    The demand for testing will only grow as the pandemic proceeds, according to an analysis released this week by the American Enterprise Institute. Once cases in the United States begin to fall, health officials will need to conduct at least 750,000 tests per week to understand when and how they can safely relax social distancing measures, finds the AEI white paper, authored by former FDA Commissioners Scott Gottlieb and Mark McClellan and other health researchers.

    Oklahoma's confirmed cases and deaths are on the rise with no peak yet seen, of course. We have finally gotten drive thru testing labs setup but only in 3 specific cities, none in the big ones like okc or Tulsa. What i am curious about is if they can actually get to testing 750k per week nation wide or not, since they mention that physicians can give the tests to their patients but not necessarily report them. It seems like a good environment to under report.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    And the local pop radio station just said Pence said things will be back to normal by memorial day, which is May 25

    Does anyone actually believe that

    I'm so damn exhausted

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Now would be a great time for GA Republicans to finally expand Medicaid.

    They won't.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Now would be a great time for GA Republicans to finally expand Medicaid.

    They won't.

    On the contrary, now is the perfect time to push for cuts. After all, the system will soon be so overwhelmed it will be too expensive to operate. If you cut costs now (by reducing coverage and forcing people to die in the street) you can prevent that from happening.

  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    And the local pop radio station just said Pence said things will be back to normal by memorial day, which is May 25

    Does anyone actually believe that

    I'm so damn exhausted

    No. May 25th will be like, Washington state having probably lifted the shelter in place order, but still keeping a cap on gatherings over 50 or 100 people. But our peak here is expected to be April 21. Which means you have at least 6-8 weeks for things to die back down after that.

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    And the local pop radio station just said Pence said things will be back to normal by memorial day, which is May 25

    Does anyone actually believe that

    I'm so damn exhausted

    Back to normal I doubt it, but by then we definitely should have reached the apex and be in steady decline of new cases

  • StarZapperStarZapper Vermont, Bizzaro world.Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
    Maybe by memorial day some states will be able to relax the stay at home orders, and allow some non essential businesses to reopen. But there will still have to be strict physical distancing guidelines and bans on social gatherings for likely the rest of the year, or it'll just flare up like it never left. All these shutdowns are doing is flattening the curve, we won't able to eliminate the virus until either there's a vaccine or there's mass testing of the whole population, so we can isolate the cases out there. We're a long, long way from either of those things.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Yeah, the peak is going to be bad but I'm really worried we'll break from proper behavior way before we really should.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    It could have been May 25th, if in January and February the administration started getting people and companies prepared and there were strong regional or national stay at home orders in early March.

    Instead we have some states that are barely doing anything and at least two saying churches should just go ahead with Easter services, too much competition for too few supplies, and a federal government who is sabotaging efforts to fix things while pretending things are going great.

    I'll consider ourselves lucky to be able to get back to something resembling normal by the end of summer.

  • SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
    New York has been social distancing for weeks now and we haven't hit the top of the curve yet. This shit isn't going to be over by May. It hasn't even started to get bad yet in most places.

    Sirens at all hours in NYC right now. In addition to the sirens, for the past few days, there have been helicopters landing and taking off somewhere near me. At all hours. They could be airlifting patients between hospitals to deal with being overloaded or something. I have no idea.

    And I'm seeing news reports of people in Florida defying stay at home orders and claiming this is a fake pandemic. What a load of bullshit.

    I've started to look forward to the daily 7 PM yell-a-thon where we all yell out our windows and bang pots for the healthcare shift change. Can't even leave my apartment to go for a walk, I'm started to get bored of video games. VIDEO GAMES!

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    The entire state of Pennsylvania is under a shelter in place order

    You can still go outside, as long as you maintain distance between yourself and other people

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    New York has been social distancing for weeks now and we haven't hit the top of the curve yet. This shit isn't going to be over by May. It hasn't even started to get bad yet in most places.

    Sirens at all hours in NYC right now. In addition to the sirens, for the past few days, there have been helicopters landing and taking off somewhere near me. At all hours. They could be airlifting patients between hospitals to deal with being overloaded or something. I have no idea.

    And I'm seeing news reports of people in Florida defying stay at home orders and claiming this is a fake pandemic. What a load of bullshit.

    I've started to look forward to the daily 7 PM yell-a-thon where we all yell out our windows and bang pots for the healthcare shift change. Can't even leave my apartment to go for a walk, I'm started to get bored of video games. VIDEO GAMES!

    It truly is the end

  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    Unemployment numbers just came out.

    6.6 Million.

    Fuck. And I be it's going to keep rising. I wouldn't be surprised if we hit 10 million soon as more and more companies start feeling the effects.

    Prepare for a new round of "We got to start the economy back up!" talk.

  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    Each day I feel it is by some miracle that I am still employed. No doubt my company has laid off swaths of people for dumber reasons in the past.

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  • Mx. QuillMx. Quill I now prefer "Myr. Quill", actually... {They/Them}Registered User regular
    Each day I feel it is by some miracle that I am still employed. No doubt my company has laid off swaths of people for dumber reasons in the past.

    Same, the mailroom here at Metlife has had all of maybe 20 packages arrive all of this week and no one is here to sign for them anyway so they're just collecting dust. I could make a killer fort out of them if I wanted.

    Only reason we're even here when the rest if tbe buildings are empty is because the mail couriers keep running. So long as they continue to operate, my job is secure.

    I don't doubt that a significant amount of the people I assume are working at home were actually just cut instead, which is super shitty.

    (My "job" is basically now just reading The Dragon Republic and playing Amimal Crossing on lunch breaks)

  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
    So, on stuff, a guy derailed a train in order to try to hit an hospital ship.

    Yes, really:
    LOS ANGELES — Prosecutors charged a locomotive engineer who worked at the Port of Los Angeles with intentionally derailing a train at full speed near the Navy hospital ship Mercy because of suspicions over its activities surrounding COVID-19, according to a federal criminal complaint.

    Eduardo Moreno, 44, of San Pedro, California, was charged with one count under a little-known train-wrecking statute that carries a maximum sentence of up to 20 years in the incident Tuesday, according to the 10-page criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.

    Moreno, who was held overnight, was turned over to FBI agents Wednesday morning. He was expected to make an initial appearance in federal court Wednesday afternoon.

    Prosecutors claim Moreno ran the train off the tracks. It crashed through a series of barriers before coming to rest more than 250 yards from the Mercy in an incident that was captured on video.

    Although the train leaked fuel oil, which required cleanup by firefighters and other hazardous materials personnel, no one was hurt.
    Of course that it was a paranoid lunatic:
    In his first interview with Los Angeles port police, Moreno acknowledged that he "did it," saying he was suspicious of the Mercy and believed it had an alternative purpose related to COVID-19 or a government takeover, the affidavit states.

    Moreno also told investigators that he acted alone and had not planned the attempted attack, according to the affidavit. He said he knew that derailing and crashing the train would bring media attention and that "people could see for themselves," referring to the Mercy, according to the affidavit.

    In a second interview with FBI agents, Moreno said "he did it out of the desire to 'wake people up,'" according to the affidavit. "Moreno stated that he thought that the U.S.N.S. Mercy was suspicious and did not believe 'the ship is what they say it's for,'" it said.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    Hmmmmmm

    I’m woefully ignorant here...a dude with that level of paranoia is able to operate trains?

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Well my book keeper has to work from home for the time being as much as she can and I'll cover the rest here because she's been potentially exposed from her daughter who is a nurse who was potentially exposed because a doctor that works in her clinic was potentially exposed, and we're all going to have to wait on that doctors test results.

    Also one of my warehouse guys is at home with his girlfriend because she started running a fever last night and has been vomiting. So I'll be covering for him as well it seems.

    Both of these people live across the state line in Georgia so credit goes to Brian Kemp for dragging his ass as much as possible.

  • WeaverWeaver Breakfast Witch Hashus BrowniusRegistered User regular
    Hmmmmmm

    I’m woefully ignorant here...a dude with that level of paranoia is able to operate trains?

    It is my understanding that to operate a train you tend to be away from home even more than truckers, and often just stranded waiting out in the wilderness for hours/days for a shift swap or repair part.

  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    You can't diagnose people with mental health issues if you don't have mental health services.

  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    So his plan was to ram a ship with a train.

    That's... ambitious.

  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    So his plan was to ram a ship with a train.

    That's... ambitious.

    By traversing about 300 yards without rail underneath him and getting thru shit like a concrete barrier. Dude was not in his right mind, because there's no way he was actually gonna hit that thing and he would have known that if he was.

  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    RT800 wrote: »
    So his plan was to ram a ship with a train.

    That's... ambitious.

    That’s the natural evolution of the Die Hard series

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  • TuminTumin Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Having deep seated mental health problems is something that anyone and everyone can suffer from, and certainly that holding wildly bizarre and paranoid conspiracy theories up as political truth is considered to be either 1) funny or 2) acceptable because people can hold any view they want doesn't help.

    Doesn't surprise me that so many Americans think this is a hoax or whatever when there's such a cultural streak of political anti-intellectualism and conspiracy theorism in grassroots US politics (and politics in many places, but just cos this guy obvs is in the US etc).

  • RaijuRaiju Shoganai JapanRegistered User regular
    Hmmmmmm

    I’m woefully ignorant here...a dude with that level of paranoia is able to operate trains?

    All aboard the crazy train. Paranoid conspiracy theorists come from all walks of life. It's the rare case that someone actually acts on their paranoid fantasies though. Trying to plow a train to hit a US Navy hospital ship in an effort to kill service members, healthcare workers, and patients... man, that does take a very big cake though.



    Tox wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    What if accusations that dems were politicizing it projection to the point where the Trump campaign is literally saying to use the daily briefings to attack opponemts.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-campaign-tells-surrogates-paint-biden-opposition-coronavirus-war-n1174506
    WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's re-election campaign urged surrogates in a call Wednesday to capitalize on the coronavirus pandemic to attack his rival Joe Biden and other Democrats as "the opposition" in Trump's war against the outbreak, according to a person who participated in the call.

    "This is the bottom line: President Trump is leading the nation in this war against the coronavirus, and Joe Biden, the Democrats and the media have decided to be the opposition in that war," Tim Murtaugh, the campaign's director of communications, said in a phone conversation with surrogates, according to the source.
    Other officials on the call, including campaign manager Brad Parscale and senior adviser Lara Trump, the president's daughter-in-law, pointed to the increase in the number of Americans watching the news and encouraged surrogates to capitalize on the attention not to bolster Trump's handling of the pandemic but to attack Biden.

    "I know everyone is worried making sure everyone thinks the president is doing a great job on this," Parscale said, according to the source, but "we need to continue to pick up the pace" on Biden.
    re-election campaign urged surrogates in a call Wednesday to capitalize on the coronavirus pandemic to attack his rival Joe Biden and other Democrats as "the opposition" in Trump's war against the outbreak, according to a person who participated in the call.

    "This is the bottom line: President Trump is leading the nation in this war against the coronavirus, and Joe Biden, the Democrats and the media have decided to be the opposition in that war," Tim Murtaugh, the campaign's director of communications, said in a phone conversation with surrogates, according to the source.
    Isn't the opposition in a war against the virus the freaking virus?

    The virus isn't the opposition, it's the battlefield.

    The virus is a weapon, only it's been weaponized by the White House administration to deliberately deny, withhold, and buy out lifesaving PPE and medical supplies right from under "enemy" blue states because their governors and mayors refused to kiss the ring.

    That voting eligible constituents in blue states (ie. mostly Democrats, liberals, and minorities) who might catch the coronavirus and die is a feature, not a bug.

    Trump and his cronies are just too willfully stupid to realize that Covid-19 doesn't discriminate.

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