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The General [Coronavirus] Discussion Thread Mk II

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
    On that note, this is a bid to purge the unemployment rolls by forcing people to quit:
    The Georgia DOL said people who are afraid of getting COVID-19 are encouraged “to work with their employers on plans to return to work.”

    If they decide to quit the job on their own, they can file an individual claim for unemployment benefits.

    However, in that case, eligibility for payments will be determined based on “the facts presented in the case.”

    Cartwright said while fear of COVID-19 may not be a specific reason to qualify for unemployment benefits, there are many other reasons one might qualify in the coronavirus environment.

    What happens if you send your boss a notice, "I have reason to believe I may have contracted COVID-19 and I want this on the record that I may unintentionally infect people if I am ordered to return to work"?

    They tell you to report to work in two weeks. Good luck!

    And my money's on you losing your unemployment for the duration too, since you aren't technically unemployed anymore but just out sick.

    Can't you still apply for unemployment if your boss cuts your hours without pay?

    Otherwise, what's stopping your boss from giving you 0 hours for 6 straight months?

    You can apply for unemployment if your hours are cut significantly, I know several folks doing that right now.

    Edit: of course a bunch of management will still do that, just to give people the impression that they weren't "fired" and therefore aren't eligible.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Depends on the circumstances and state. Lots of part-timers are on inconsistent schedules whose hours fluctuate without qualifying for unemployment.

    When I was doing restaurant work, cutting someone’s shifts used to be a tool to get people to quit without firing them. American employment protections are fucked.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    On that note, this is a bid to purge the unemployment rolls by forcing people to quit:
    The Georgia DOL said people who are afraid of getting COVID-19 are encouraged “to work with their employers on plans to return to work.”

    If they decide to quit the job on their own, they can file an individual claim for unemployment benefits.

    However, in that case, eligibility for payments will be determined based on “the facts presented in the case.”

    Cartwright said while fear of COVID-19 may not be a specific reason to qualify for unemployment benefits, there are many other reasons one might qualify in the coronavirus environment.

    What happens if you send your boss a notice, "I have reason to believe I may have contracted COVID-19 and I want this on the record that I may unintentionally infect people if I am ordered to return to work"?

    They tell you to report to work in two weeks. Good luck!

    And my money's on you losing your unemployment for the duration too, since you aren't technically unemployed anymore but just out sick.

    Can't you still apply for unemployment if your boss cuts your hours without pay?

    Otherwise, what's stopping your boss from giving you 0 hours for 6 straight months?

    You can apply for unemployment if your hours are cut significantly, I know several folks doing that right now.

    Edit: of course a bunch of management will still do that, just to give people the impression that they weren't "fired" and therefore aren't eligible.

    That's why I said you don't call in sick.

    You report that you're not displaying any symptoms but could potentially be a carrier, and if your boss invites you to come in to work anyway and customers/co-workers get sick as a result, then that's on him.

  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    On that note, this is a bid to purge the unemployment rolls by forcing people to quit:
    The Georgia DOL said people who are afraid of getting COVID-19 are encouraged “to work with their employers on plans to return to work.”

    If they decide to quit the job on their own, they can file an individual claim for unemployment benefits.

    However, in that case, eligibility for payments will be determined based on “the facts presented in the case.”

    Cartwright said while fear of COVID-19 may not be a specific reason to qualify for unemployment benefits, there are many other reasons one might qualify in the coronavirus environment.

    What happens if you send your boss a notice, "I have reason to believe I may have contracted COVID-19 and I want this on the record that I may unintentionally infect people if I am ordered to return to work"?

    They tell you to report to work in two weeks. Good luck!

    And my money's on you losing your unemployment for the duration too, since you aren't technically unemployed anymore but just out sick.

    Can't you still apply for unemployment if your boss cuts your hours without pay?

    Otherwise, what's stopping your boss from giving you 0 hours for 6 straight months?

    You can apply for unemployment if your hours are cut significantly, I know several folks doing that right now.

    Edit: of course a bunch of management will still do that, just to give people the impression that they weren't "fired" and therefore aren't eligible.

    That's why I said you don't call in sick.

    You report that you're not displaying any symptoms but could potentially be a carrier, and if your boss invites you to come in to work anyway and customers/co-workers get sick as a result, then that's on him.

    This isn’t the kind of thing you rules lawyer your way around. It’s a “Fuck you for not being rich and living in the South” kind of thing.

    Georgia and its neighbors have been rules lawyering to keep that the case since before the nation was born. Can’t beat them at their own game.

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  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    I feel like the pandemic is highlighting the absolute failure of the federalist system as we have it. Especially with regard to the welfare system that is entirely based on federalism

    It's really hard to have any system succeed with bad faith actors representing any amount of it.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    I feel like the pandemic is highlighting the absolute failure of the federalist system as we have it. Especially with regard to the welfare system that is entirely based on federalism

    *wave my hand*

    It shows how weak and unenforced our system was and how much it was built on norms and legacy not enforceable laws. Also how much damage the two party system causes with in it. Something even early architects said was dangerous.

    Plenty of non-federalist systems have face planted hard in the pandemic. Not just us. And it is more about leadership, trust, and willingness to take action even sacrifices for the long term greater good. Also probably a bit of humility.

    None of which our leadership at the federal level have done. And really the federalist system is the only reason some parts of the country will end up with less issues than others. It provided a small backstop for parts of the population at least.

    Also showed how dangerous our current media climate is as well.

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Lots of other countries with federal systems have been doing quite a bit better. It's more just the systematic failure of governance at many levels that has caused these problems

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  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    Brazil is federal too, no?

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
    I've seen a few videos of some AstroTurf protest in Idaho that resulted in an arrest. They then went to the officers house and sat outside being crazy sovereign citizens.

    It's going to escalate quickly.

    Edit: I'm on mobile but it happened in Meridian (?) Idaho. The lady is part of a batshit Facebook group with some very libertarian monetary support.

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Brazil is federal too, no?

    Sure, so is Germany. Turkey isn't federal. Canada is.

    Turns out, having a bad government is possible, irrespective of having a federal or centralised system.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Brazil is federal too, no?

    Sure, so is Germany. Turkey isn't federal. Canada is.

    Turns out, having a bad government is possible, irrespective of having a federal or centralised system.

    The federal government is not the problem in this case. This is a moment when a powerful executive, and a diverse assembly of states with highly varying economic targets and population densities should be an IMMENSE advantage to the United States. The problem is Donald Trump. The problem is that we have an executive who is not just bad. He is 'anti-good'. He is physically incapable of doing the right thing.

    At every step, he has squandered our advantages, prevented us using our resources and even ruined what little hope we have of allies helping us recover.

    When Boris Johnson became sick, I hoped for his recovery because stability is better than chaos. In Trumps case, I hope he knocks himself unconscious for 4 months and Pence has to take over.

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  • SyngyneSyngyne Registered User regular
    I Zimbra wrote: »


    The Insane Clown Posse is taking a more careful and measured approach to the virus than the federal government.

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    appropriate

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
  • KhildithKhildith Registered User regular
    I have no idea how to talk to someone who 'refutes' anything that doesn't support their view as fake news. A person I'm close to insists that the states are all over-reporting COVID cases and says his gut says its closer to 4,000 deaths than 40,000. I tried to examine how he came to this conclusion but I ended up needing to disengage when we got to full conspiracy mode. Something about all the governors working together to try to get as much money from the federal government as they can.

    I know its an old saying that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into but it is so frustrating to watch.

    This person almost overnight flipped from "The number is much higher than reported, they're not even testing people unless you're rich or connected!" to "This whole thing is overblown and we never should have shut down the economy for a flu!"

    I can only hope they keep following the recommendations for social distancing, there are others in this house who are especially at risk from COVID.

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Gut feels huh
    can't get better data than that, no sirree.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Khildith wrote: »
    I have no idea how to talk to someone who 'refutes' anything that doesn't support their view as fake news. A person I'm close to insists that the states are all over-reporting COVID cases and says his gut says its closer to 4,000 deaths than 40,000. I tried to examine how he came to this conclusion but I ended up needing to disengage when we got to full conspiracy mode. Something about all the governors working together to try to get as much money from the federal government as they can.

    I know its an old saying that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into but it is so frustrating to watch.

    This person almost overnight flipped from "The number is much higher than reported, they're not even testing people unless you're rich or connected!" to "This whole thing is overblown and we never should have shut down the economy for a flu!"

    I can only hope they keep following the recommendations for social distancing, there are others in this house who are especially at risk from COVID.

    Ask them both how and why they would do this.

  • JokermanJokerman Registered User regular
    According to Mark Butler, Labor commissioner of Georgia, you can still collected state benefits as long as you make under 300 dollars a week.

  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    I Zimbra wrote: »
    The Insane Clown Posse is taking a more careful and measured approach to the virus than the federal government.

    Makes sense. Unlike Trump, ICP will admit when they don't know how something works (see also: magnets)

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And in an unsurprising development, the White House speedbumps Kemp:
    President Donald Trump said Wednesday he “strongly disagrees” with Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp’s decision to allow businesses like barbershops and nail salons to reopen, a day after he praised him during the White House briefing.

    “I told the governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities,” Trump said at his daily coronavirus briefing Wednesday. “But at the same time, he must do what he thinks is right. I want him to do what he thinks is right. But I disagree with him on what he’s doing.”

    Kemp tweeted after the president’s remarks that he appreciated Trump’s “bold leadership and insight during these difficult times,” but he didn’t back down. “Our next measured step is driven by data and guided by state public health officials. We will continue with this approach to protect the lives – and livelihoods – of all Georgians,” Kemp wrote.

    Trump said of Kemp’s plan: “I think spas, beauty salons and tattoo parlors and barbershops … it’s just too soon.”

    Once again, nobody thinks the leopard will eat their face.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited April 2020
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics/trump-pence-georgia-governor-brian-kemp/index.html
    "I love those people. They're great. They've been strong, resolute, but at the same time, he must do what he thinks is right. I want him to do what he thinks is right, but I disagree with him on what he's doing but I want to let the governors do (what they want)," the President said.

    "Now, if I see something totally egregious, totally out of line, I'll do (something)," Trump said, but did not provide specifics on what he would do.
    Opening up barbershops and nail salons during a pandemic is somehow not egregious

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  • DacDac Registered User regular
    The joke here is that Trump would exercise any amount of personal oversight of anything.

    He just wants to look powerful, have his ego stroked, and take the credit for anything good.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    New thread with new thread smell available now.

    Geth, close the thread.

  • GethGeth Legion Perseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
    Affirmative Bogart. Closing thread...

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