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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    i haven't played retail in years but isn't that.. a light blessed dreadlord/nazrethim?

    what the h*ck

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Beasteh wrote: »
    i haven't played retail in years but isn't that.. a light blessed dreadlord/nazrethim?

    what the h*ck

    i mean hey, if ya boi Ragnaros can make a turn to the Light.....

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Yilias wrote: »
    Zai, the Incredible
    Legendary Demon Hunter Minion
    5 mana 5/3
    Battlecry: Copy the left-most and right-most cards in your hand.
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    I'm curious if this will triple a one card hand. The stat line and the hand location requirement make this just barely too awkward to use I think.

    Here is my thinking on the one card hand situation.

    So, it will start as two cards in your hand: Zai and whatever you want to copy. But battlecry effects activate before the minion hits the board, technically. So, if Zai is still “in your hand” when the battlecry goes off, you’re only going to copy the remaining card in your hand once, because Zai is either the left most or right most card in your hand at the time of the copying. Unless Zai copies itself which... would be very bad.

    But that’s based on a reading of the text, and prior discussions about battlecry mechanics. I obviously have no idea how it works in practice.

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  • DysDys how am I even using this gun Registered User regular
    Beasteh wrote: »
    i haven't played retail in years but isn't that.. a light blessed dreadlord/nazrethim?

    what the h*ck

    He's one of only a handful, I think.

    I forget if he's originally from a novel or not, but somewhere in the surrounding media a story was told involving Alleria and Turalyon and giving some backstory before they showed up in game again. And in that story a group of Nazrethim were freed from the Legion by getting blessed or powered up with light or something like that.

    Which is a fun idea, in my opinion.

    Especially considering that the next expansion has a couple hints people have found giving further context to it.

    Mild Shadowlands spoilers here for anyone who wants to avoid them.
    There's a scroll players can find that is essentially a mission report of some mysterious group reporting their success in infiltrating the forces of the universe's major magic domains.

    The wording of it somewhat points to it being the Nazrethim. So Lothraxion might be a spy playing the fake redemption game to cozy up with the Light.

    No hints yet as to who or what that report is addressed to, either.

  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Deck of Chaos seems ideal for Shaman maybe.

    3 mana 8/5 Al'Akir, 2 mana 4/6 Vessina, 4 mana 8/8 Walking Fountain, 3 mana (probably 0) 9/4 Mogu Fleshshaper, 0 mana X/3 mana totems

    Al'Akir + double Flametongue is 24 charge damage for 3 mana.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Yilias wrote: »
    Deck of Chaos seems ideal for Shaman maybe.

    3 mana 8/5 Al'Akir, 2 mana 4/6 Vessina, 4 mana 8/8 Walking Fountain, 3 mana (probably 0) 9/4 Mogu Fleshshaper, 0 mana X/3 mana totems

    Al'Akir + double Flametongue is 24 charge damage for 3 mana.

    the goose

    is loose

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
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    fuckin', yeah alright

    that looks. wow. yeah. fuckin' YEAH, OKAY.

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    Expensive. Seems good though.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Yilias wrote: »
    Zai, the Incredible
    Legendary Demon Hunter Minion
    5 mana 5/3
    Battlecry: Copy the left-most and right-most cards in your hand.
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    I'm curious if this will triple a one card hand. The stat line and the hand location requirement make this just barely too awkward to use I think.

    Here is my thinking on the one card hand situation.

    So, it will start as two cards in your hand: Zai and whatever you want to copy. But battlecry effects activate before the minion hits the board, technically. So, if Zai is still “in your hand” when the battlecry goes off, you’re only going to copy the remaining card in your hand once
    Twilight Drake does not count as a card in your hand when its Battlecry activates.

  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    edited November 2020
    forty wrote: »
    Yilias wrote: »
    Zai, the Incredible
    Legendary Demon Hunter Minion
    5 mana 5/3
    Battlecry: Copy the left-most and right-most cards in your hand.
    uUDK2RN.png?1

    I'm curious if this will triple a one card hand. The stat line and the hand location requirement make this just barely too awkward to use I think.

    Here is my thinking on the one card hand situation.

    So, it will start as two cards in your hand: Zai and whatever you want to copy. But battlecry effects activate before the minion hits the board, technically. So, if Zai is still “in your hand” when the battlecry goes off, you’re only going to copy the remaining card in your hand once
    Twilight Drake does not count as a card in your hand when its Battlecry activates.

    Well then I guess you get two copies of a single card or it copies itself or it’s not consistent with other battlecries or who the fuck knows what it will do. That seems like it’d be pretty fucking broken considering how easily DH can dump and then refill its hand.

    I at least wouldnt expect it to copy itself. Sure they are aware of the kind of recursive shenanigans that would happen if it did.

    ... right?

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    It won't copy itself, no.

  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Tenwu of the Red Smoke
    Legendary Rogue Minion
    2 mana 3/2
    Battlecry: Return a friendly minion to your hand. It costs (1) this turn.
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  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Greybough
    Legendary Druid Minion
    5 mana 4/6
    Taunt
    Deathrattle: Give a random friendly minion "Deathrattle: Summon Greybough."
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  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon
    Legendary Mage Minion
    6 mana 5/5
    Battlecry: Draw 1 card. (Upgraded for each friendly Secret that has triggered this game!)
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    Secret Mage is getting a lot of nice toys. That's a tight list though, really hard to figure out what gets cut.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Pretty fucking impressed with a lot of these Legendaries so far, ngl

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  • KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    Yilias wrote: »
    Deck of Chaos seems ideal for Shaman maybe.

    3 mana 8/5 Al'Akir, 2 mana 4/6 Vessina, 4 mana 8/8 Walking Fountain, 3 mana (probably 0) 9/4 Mogu Fleshshaper, 0 mana X/3 mana totems

    Al'Akir + double Flametongue is 24 charge damage for 3 mana.

    Isn’t it a warlock spell?

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  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Deck of Lunacy
    Legendary Mage Spell
    2 mana
    Transform spells in your deck into ones that cost (3) more. (They keep their original Cost.)
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  • The JudgeThe Judge The Terwilliger CurvesRegistered User regular
    Tavern Brawl, the Card.

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  • DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    edited November 2020
    I'm liking these Deck Of cards if only for their increase to the chaos potential of yogg mechanics

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Yilias wrote: »
    Deck of Lunacy
    Legendary Mage Spell
    2 mana
    Transform spells in your deck into ones that cost (3) more. (They keep their original Cost.)
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    HAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Yilias wrote: »
    Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon
    Legendary Mage Minion
    6 mana 5/5
    Battlecry: Draw 1 card. (Upgraded for each friendly Secret that has triggered this game!)
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    Secret Mage is getting a lot of nice toys. That's a tight list though, really hard to figure out what gets cut.
    Agreed. Sayge might actually be a swap for Aluneth? Having both gives some redundancy, but is mega bad news if you draw them both early. Unless you're having to tempo Sayge early (i.e., on curve), he's likely worth 2 full turns of Aluneth draws, and he's significantly better tempo. Even on curve he's still probably at least a draw 3. And if you're dropping him later in the game, you get to play the draws immediately, compared to Aluneth. As a turn 6 play, Aluneth is probably better since you have a few turns to close things out, you get 9/12 draws out of it, and a turn 6 do nothing hurts less than a turn 9 one.

  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    KafkaAU wrote: »
    Isn’t it a warlock spell?

    You're right! I thought it was neutral for some reason.
    forty wrote: »
    Yilias wrote: »
    Sayge, Seer of Darkmoon
    Legendary Mage Minion
    6 mana 5/5
    Battlecry: Draw 1 card. (Upgraded for each friendly Secret that has triggered this game!)
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    Secret Mage is getting a lot of nice toys. That's a tight list though, really hard to figure out what gets cut.
    Agreed. Sayge might actually be a swap for Aluneth? Having both gives some redundancy, but is mega bad news if you draw them both early. Unless you're having to tempo Sayge early (i.e., on curve), he's likely worth 2 full turns of Aluneth draws, and he's significantly better tempo. Even on curve he's still probably at least a draw 3. And if you're dropping him later in the game, you get to play the draws immediately, compared to Aluneth. As a turn 6 play, Aluneth is probably better since you have a few turns to close things out, you get 9/12 draws out of it, and a turn 6 do nothing hurts less than a turn 9 one.

    Definitely not Aluneth, it's literally the best card in the deck. Also need to think about the inclusion of the new 4 drop (the secret is probably not good enough).

    E: Wild decks are basically at the point where they no longer have 'filler' since everything has such a high level of synergy. Further card pool additions, especially legendaries, just push them toward Reno versions of the same deck, which may be where Secret Mage ends up soon.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Maybe my experiences with Secret Mage are just more skewed by my terrible luck.

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Hmm so specifically looking at Deck of Chaos, there's some interesting possibilities. The most obvious ones are Malygoose and Jaraxxo, buuuut there's some other interesting applications, perhaps:

    - 5 mana 10/5 Phaoris? Hmmm!!
    - 4 mana 9/12 Ysera! Value town.
    - 5 mana 8/5 Archwitch Willow
    - 5 mana 8/7 Enhanced Dreadlord
    - 5 mana 8/7 Fel Lord Betrug
    - 4 mana 8/10 Twin Tyrant
    - 4 mana 8/12 Zzeraku the Warped
    - 4 mana 7/7 Kael'thas? I don't think ya boi has anything he can do in Warlock, but, the potential is there, at least.
    - 5 mana 7/5 Sociologist Malicia
    - 4 mana 7/4 Valdris Felgorge
    - 2 mana 6/2 Abyssal Summoner (HOO BOY THIS ONE'S SPICY)
    - 4 mana 6/6 Aranasi Broodmother (nothing spectacular, but a 4 mana 6/6 is a LOT better than a 6 mana 4/6)
    - 3 mana 6/3 Kel'idan the Breaker
    - 3 mana 6/4 Khartut Defender
    - 4 mana 6/9 Onyx Magescribe
    - 3 mana 5/5 Cobalt Spellkin (wow)
    - 2 mana 4/6 Archmage Vargoth (this has gotta have some kind of potential...)
    - 2 mana 4/5 Bone Wraith (yowza!)
    - 0 mana 4/4 Summoning Portal??? Does this have any applications at all or is this just memes
    - 0 mana 2/7 Doomsayer? lol

    So most of the value is definitely the higher cost cards, 7/8/9/10 drops. But there's a LOT that can be affected. I think it'll definitely see play, not even as just an OTK enabler. ...But primarily as an OTK enabler, sure.

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  • DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    edited November 2020
    I'm going to go with the contrarian take that Bladed Lady won't be a meta dominant card.

    My theory is that the number of turns that DH has 6 attack or higher is actually pretty small, and the DH is going to tend to want tempo on the turns that aren't those turns

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
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    FIRST LEGENDARY TOTEM LET'S GOOOOOO

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII They wanna get my gold on the ceilingRegistered User regular
    Another pretty strong spell to go with Kael'Thas / Mount Seller.

    So I think Deck of Chaos is going to be one of those rare cards I craft on day 1 if I don't pull it from a pack. I think it will probably good (maybe too good), but more to the point it enables some pretty cool deck building experiments, so I'm excited to play with it.

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  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Deathmatch Pavilion
    Epic Shaman Spell
    2 mana
    Summon a 3/2 Duelist. If your hero attacked this turn, summon another.
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    They mentioned in the spoiler stream that the Shaman archetype this expac was 'enhancement', which is their melee dps spec in WoW. So I guess it's time for weapon Shaman.

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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    "After a minion attacks your Hero, summon a copy of it with stealth."

    Cool, two heroes.

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  • DysDys how am I even using this gun Registered User regular
    Yilias wrote: »
    Deathmatch Pavilion
    Epic Shaman Spell
    2 mana
    Summon a 3/2 Duelist. If your hero attacked this turn, summon another.
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    They mentioned in the spoiler stream that the Shaman archetype this expac was 'enhancement', which is their melee dps spec in WoW. So I guess it's time for weapon Shaman.

    So we're back to the "push an archetype with no support" part of the shaman cycle, huh?

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    is two 3/2s for 2 mana even necessarily that good though

    just seems very average or meh to me, considering the power level of... everything else

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    In a vacuum it's pretty good, but since it's basically impossible to actually be a turn 2 effect, eh. If it were a Demon Hunter card, it'd probably be run in aggro DH.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Dibby wrote: »
    is two 3/2s for 2 mana even necessarily that good though

    just seems very average or meh to me, considering the power level of... everything else

    It would be bonkers if they print a one-cost weapon for shaman. Which...I’d like to hope that they’d know better than to do that.

    Although honestly, maybe it wouldn’t be that bad considering how awful shaman has been.

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Anyway, other thoughts on the other cards:

    Grand Totem fucking good, honestly. That alone should really help push Totem Shaman into a more viable spot.

    Shadow Clone is great! The perfect kind of tempo secret Rogue wants, really. A more controllable Mirror Entity. Hell, Stealth Aggrogue probably takes this one too.

    I could easily see Cenarion Ward fitting into Guardian Druid, right alongside Kael'thas and Phaoris. Seems real good!

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  • narwhalnarwhal monodon monoceros Registered User regular
    ooo that eyesore might tempt me to play constructed again...

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  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Insatiable Felhound
    Common Demon Hunter Minion
    3 mana 2/5 Demon
    Taunt
    Corrupt: Gain +1/+1 and Lifesteal.

    Felsteel Executioner
    Epic Demon Hunter Minion
    3 mana 4/3 Elemental
    Corrupt: Become a weapon.
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    Optimistic Ogre
    Common Neutral Minion
    5 mana 6/7
    50% chance to attack the correct enemy.
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    Jewel of N'Zoth
    Epic Hunter Spell
    8 mana
    Summon three friendly Deathrattle minions that died this game.
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    Strongman
    Common Neutral Minion
    7 mana 6/6
    Taunt
    Corrupt: This costs (0).
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    Auspicious Spirits
    Rare Priest Spell
    4 mana
    Summon a random 4-Cost minion.
    Corrupt: Summon a 7-Cost minion instead.
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    Cascading Disaster
    Epic Warlock Spell
    4 mana
    Destroy a random enemy minion.
    Corrupt: Destroy 2.
    Corrupt Again: Destroy 3.
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    Tickatus
    Legendary Warlock Minion
    6 mana 8/8 Demon
    Battlecry: Remove the top 5 cards from your deck.
    Corrupt: Your opponent's deck instead.
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    Magicfin
    Epic Shaman Minion
    3 mana 3/4 Murloc
    After a friendly Murloc dies, add a random Legendary to your hand.
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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    Those are some really powerful corrupt effects

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
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    Bahahaha. Amazing.


    Edit: Also I love how Optimistic Ogre is no different from any of the other Ogre cards they've printed in the past, mechanically, just that instead of "wrong enemy" it's "correct enemy".

    Because he's optimistic!!

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  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    1 mana Counterspell is nuts

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    It's not clear in the card text, so I'm wondering: does Oh My Yogg! retarget the spell randomly?

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