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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    Oh dear. So Angela can learn a skill to sacrifice HP when casting spells to boost damage, and there’s also a skill to partially use HP in place of MP when casting. So I could just outfit Angela to drain her health in exchange for constant, boosted casting.

    I just got her the 30% spell discount, which stacks with the 30% spell cost to HP. One of the class 3 options gets 40% spell discount, so I'm probably going that way just to see if that adds up to free spells.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Haha. The snow field machine golems boss fight is still extremely deadly, even with dodging. Everyone I wasn’t directly controlling inevitably fell into a trio of rocket punches or fire spells and died instantly. Ran through a lot of Cups on that fight.

    Polaritie
  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Toronto, ONRegistered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Angela's 4th dark class can get the Wound All chain ability, which sacrifices 5% of both allies HP in exchange for an 80% boost to spells.

    This can stack with her own Wound ability sacrificing 5% of her health for 20% boost.

    Multiply this with abilities like Weakness for 25% elemental weakness boost, Duran's own support ability that boosts elemental weakness damage for the party by 12% and a bunch of other stacking bonuses, and for the low cost of killing your whole party, you too can cast Lv. 3 nukes for 20,000+ damage :)

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    I tried to go back and play the original trials in the mana collection but I'm struggling with it because it controls like absolute trash.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Viskod wrote: »
    I tried to go back and play the original trials in the mana collection but I'm struggling with it because it controls like absolute trash.

    Protip. If you hold A, it goes into auto battle. Makes regular encounters a lot better.

    Edit: this was a feature on the original release btw.

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  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    I tried to go back and play the original trials in the mana collection but I'm struggling with it because it controls like absolute trash.

    Protip. If you hold A, it goes into auto battle. Makes regular encounters a lot better.

    Edit: this was a feature on the original release btw.

    (Until a set of stairs breaks the auto battle) :P

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    I tried to go back and play the original trials in the mana collection but I'm struggling with it because it controls like absolute trash.

    Protip. If you hold A, it goes into auto battle. Makes regular encounters a lot better.

    Edit: this was a feature on the original release btw.

    I don't want an auto battle, I just want my character to not change the direction they are facing when I attack and I don't like having to deal with a cooldown window on just regular attacks after each strike.

  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    I tried to go back and play the original trials in the mana collection but I'm struggling with it because it controls like absolute trash.

    Protip. If you hold A, it goes into auto battle. Makes regular encounters a lot better.

    Edit: this was a feature on the original release btw.

    I don't want an auto battle, I just want my character to not change the direction they are facing when I attack and I don't like having to deal with a cooldown window on just regular attacks after each strike.

    Well sorry to hear that. That's basically how the game was designed. I dunno if I'll call it trash for that bit, I always felt it was a call back to SOMs charge bar but you can't hit before 100%. It's unique to say the least.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Kevin is super adorable sometimes. Him wanting to play in the snow was great.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    I just played about an hour of the demo earlier with Angela as my main and Duran and Kevin as my later allies. It's pretty enjoyable so far!

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Heh yeah, I'll forever love the original SD3/Trials of Mana. The combat was amazing for its time -- having a delay after your regular attack doesn't stand up to modern games, but it was actioney as hell compared to everything else that was out there. I still enjoy playing it with friends, and do to this day, but I can understand the combat not being for everyone! There's definitely some lag in there, and sometimes stuff takes awhile to die after you kill it, but damn if it wasn't the best combat RPG I had played at the time. I loved Duran who was the slowest out of all of them, and the whole "attack, move while you wait for cooldown to finish, attack" system doesn't feel tooooo far removed from the "attack, dark souls dodge, attack" that we have now.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    I started a new game on Secret of Mana and then realized another thing that felt so off about trials. When in combat you move around slow like you're constantly charging your weapon like in Secret.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Almost done with my second playthrough now (last dungeon).

    Glitter Dust is really cool to watch... (and spam, lol 7 MP cost).

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    I started a new game on Secret of Mana and then realized another thing that felt so off about trials. When in combat you move around slow like you're constantly charging your weapon like in Secret.

    Yeah, that’s my biggest issue with vanilla Trials. Your AI partners can run all the time, but you get to do the slow shuffle.

    I think the one thing I like using the autobattle for is to get past that issue; you run like an AI partner during autobattle, and then you can release the button once you get in range of an enemy.

  • Descendant XDescendant X Skyrim is my god now. Outpost 31Registered User regular
    So Charlotte’s dialogue is just objectively terrible, eh?

    Garry: I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time I'd rather not spend the rest of the winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!
  • CruorCruor Registered User regular
    I as much as a character having a speech impediment is objectively terrible, sure. I know real life people with that speech impediment and I'm sure they're happy to see this endlessly made fun of online.

  • Descendant XDescendant X Skyrim is my god now. Outpost 31Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    I’ve got the voice track to Japanese. It’s the subtitles that are awful. There’s no reason why they had to change the L’s to W’s in the subtitles. That’s just annoying.

    Sorry, I should have been clear that I don’t have the English voice track on.

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    Garry: I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time I'd rather not spend the rest of the winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!
  • CruorCruor Registered User regular
    I’ve got the voice track to Japanese. It’s the subtitles that are awful. There’s no reason why they had to change the L’s to W’s in the subtitles. That’s just annoying.

    Sorry, I should have been clear that I don’t have the English voice track on.

    Ah, my bad. I've just seen so many people on this thread ragging on the english voice and it's been rubbing me the wrong way.

  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    I think the choice was to be equivalent with her having very childish speech patterns in the Japanese. In Japanese that can come across with specific use of honorifics and certain word choices. In English.... well, actually, you can do much he same. Stuff like saying “Papa” and “Mama” or talking about villains as “bad guys” and stuff like that. They just went a bit further with wanting to make her dialogue sound childlike (even though it’s not like children universally have speech inpediments).

    That being said, I think Charlotte’s dialogue is fine. I think she’s got some fun lines in battle and in cutscenes, and her speech pattern is something that normalized for me pretty fast.

    I was gonna say it’s funny how she will call the rest of the team “rookies” when starting a battle, but it sort of occurred to me that Angela probably actually is less trained than Charlotte.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    I forgot that Charlotte is actually 15 as if her character couldn't annoy me more.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I forgot that Charlotte is actually 15 as if her character couldn't annoy me more.

    At least they don't even remotely sexualize her. In this case she looks like a kid and acts like a kid.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    If you can, listen to the 8-4 podcast on this issue. Apparently, Charlotte was always this annoying even in Japanese. Probably something we never experienced due to the way it was fan translated back in the day.

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  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Toronto, ONRegistered User regular
    edited May 2020
    I mean, Charlotte does have some great post-battle lines, and she has this attitude about being better than anyone gives her credit for.

    I just wish that they didn't give her the speech impediment. And if she has a massive sentence, it's nearly impossible to read the subtitle at a glance.

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  • ZundeZunde Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    As far as verbal ticks go i find Charlotte's a lot less annoying then H'aanit's when it comes to characters with odd speech patterns

    I am far more annoyed by this then i really should be early game spoilers
    Them taking Reisz out of my party to fight Gova on the ghost ship so that she's now a full level behind both Hawkeye and Charlotte.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Zunde wrote: »
    As far as verbal ticks go i find Charlotte's a lot less annoying then H'aanit's when it comes to characters with odd speech patterns

    I am far more annoyed by this then i really should be early game spoilers
    Them taking Reisz out of my party to fight Gova on the ghost ship so that she's now a full level behind both Hawkeye and Charlotte.

    you can switch your guys around in the ghost ship and run away from every fight to at least combat our OCD nature. Everyone, must have the same levels dammit!

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Zunde wrote: »
    As far as verbal ticks go i find Charlotte's a lot less annoying then H'aanit's when it comes to characters with odd speech patterns

    I am far more annoyed by this then i really should be early game spoilers
    Them taking Reisz out of my party to fight Gova on the ghost ship so that she's now a full level behind both Hawkeye and Charlotte.

    you can switch your guys around in the ghost ship and run away from every fight to at least combat our OCD nature. Everyone, must have the same levels dammit!

    There are inescapable fights on tye ship.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Zunde wrote: »
    As far as verbal ticks go i find Charlotte's a lot less annoying then H'aanit's when it comes to characters with odd speech patterns

    I am far more annoyed by this then i really should be early game spoilers
    Them taking Reisz out of my party to fight Gova on the ghost ship so that she's now a full level behind both Hawkeye and Charlotte.

    you can switch your guys around in the ghost ship and run away from every fight to at least combat our OCD nature. Everyone, must have the same levels dammit!

    There are inescapable fights on tye ship.

    Really? There must be some NG+ glitch or something but on my second go around in the ship I just ran after I did the book things. Maybe it's the lil Cactus boost?

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Zunde wrote: »
    As far as verbal ticks go i find Charlotte's a lot less annoying then H'aanit's when it comes to characters with odd speech patterns

    I am far more annoyed by this then i really should be early game spoilers
    Them taking Reisz out of my party to fight Gova on the ghost ship so that she's now a full level behind both Hawkeye and Charlotte.

    you can switch your guys around in the ghost ship and run away from every fight to at least combat our OCD nature. Everyone, must have the same levels dammit!

    There are inescapable fights on tye ship.

    Really? There must be some NG+ glitch or something but on my second go around in the ship I just ran after I did the book things. Maybe it's the lil Cactus boost?

    Nah, I think they're all from trying certain doors and such, so yeah, should be possible to only get boss xp.

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  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Toronto, ONRegistered User regular
    edited May 2020
    I finished the demo with all 3 characters at Lv. 7 just so they could all have consistent xp gains and level ups.

    And then I put the pre-order bonus Rabite Charm on Charlotte, forgetting that she would get an extra 10% xp with it equipped until level 10.

    Once I noticed something was off, I removed it, but she was always 50xp ahead of the other two and it was maddening until I was getting enough xp in a regular fight that it didn't matter anymore.

    Which was right around the Ghost Ship when Hawkeye fell behind by 5500 xp.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    I will say that there are new cases of only some people getting xp in the postgame.
    Specifically, Duran, Angela, and Kevin all have solo boss fights for their class 4 items

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    I'm glad I'm not the only one who tried to keep everyone at the same xp. I would dp so far as to let the xp leader die in combat so I could get the others closer.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Zunde wrote: »
    As far as verbal ticks go i find Charlotte's a lot less annoying then H'aanit's when it comes to characters with odd speech patterns

    I am far more annoyed by this then i really should be early game spoilers
    Them taking Reisz out of my party to fight Gova on the ghost ship so that she's now a full level behind both Hawkeye and Charlotte.

    you can switch your guys around in the ghost ship and run away from every fight to at least combat our OCD nature. Everyone, must have the same levels dammit!

    There are inescapable fights on tye ship.

    Really? There must be some NG+ glitch or something but on my second go around in the ship I just ran after I did the book things. Maybe it's the lil Cactus boost?

    Nah, I think they're all from trying certain doors and such, so yeah, should be possible to only get boss xp.

    I just did this. The boss is still a huge chunk of XP but my characters are less than 1 entire level apart.

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    I'm glad I'm not the only one who tried to keep everyone at the same xp. I would dp so far as to let the xp leader die in combat so I could get the others closer.

    That worked in the SNES version but here XP is awarded to everyone after they get back up

    Fiatil
  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    I was also hoping they would find some neat solution for the ghost ship. Alas, Angela is still a half level behind at level 45.

    Also, ??? mark seeds are still dumb. They seem worse in this iteration because you could farm them really hard outside of....whatever the mirage town place is called where you were around level 38 in the original. You hit 38 waaaay earlier and I haven't gotten there yet, and the drop rate outside of that seems really low! Luckily there are ways around having to farm them with the PC version, so hooray progress one way or another I suppose.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Fiatil wrote: »
    I was also hoping they would find some neat solution for the ghost ship. Alas, Angela is still a half level behind at level 45.

    Also, ??? mark seeds are still dumb. They seem worse in this iteration because you could farm them really hard outside of....whatever the mirage town place is called where you were around level 38 in the original. You hit 38 waaaay earlier and I haven't gotten there yet, and the drop rate outside of that seems really low! Luckily there are ways around having to farm them with the PC version, so hooray progress one way or another I suppose.

    Yeah, it's easiest to just duck into a couple of the dungeons with them early on (wood is before you even run into any enemies) and snatch a few before pulling out imo.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Fiatil wrote: »
    I was also hoping they would find some neat solution for the ghost ship. Alas, Angela is still a half level behind at level 45.

    Also, ??? mark seeds are still dumb. They seem worse in this iteration because you could farm them really hard outside of....whatever the mirage town place is called where you were around level 38 in the original. You hit 38 waaaay earlier and I haven't gotten there yet, and the drop rate outside of that seems really low! Luckily there are ways around having to farm them with the PC version, so hooray progress one way or another I suppose.

    You can actually farm them in the very Benovodons dungeons. The thing that might be troublesome is that unless you pumped your luck/seed lv/rolled with Hawkeye, they're still relatively rare.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Fiatil wrote: »
    I was also hoping they would find some neat solution for the ghost ship. Alas, Angela is still a half level behind at level 45.

    Also, ??? mark seeds are still dumb. They seem worse in this iteration because you could farm them really hard outside of....whatever the mirage town place is called where you were around level 38 in the original. You hit 38 waaaay earlier and I haven't gotten there yet, and the drop rate outside of that seems really low! Luckily there are ways around having to farm them with the PC version, so hooray progress one way or another I suppose.

    You can actually farm them in the very Benovodons dungeons. The thing that might be troublesome is that unless you pumped your luck/seed lv/rolled with Hawkeye, they're still relatively rare.

    The fixed drop chests are salvation. And guaranteed to get you all six items in six chests apparently? (My first six on two playthroughs both made complete sets at any rate).

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  • FiatilFiatil Registered User regular
    Fiatil wrote: »
    I was also hoping they would find some neat solution for the ghost ship. Alas, Angela is still a half level behind at level 45.

    Also, ??? mark seeds are still dumb. They seem worse in this iteration because you could farm them really hard outside of....whatever the mirage town place is called where you were around level 38 in the original. You hit 38 waaaay earlier and I haven't gotten there yet, and the drop rate outside of that seems really low! Luckily there are ways around having to farm them with the PC version, so hooray progress one way or another I suppose.

    You can actually farm them in the very Benovodons dungeons. The thing that might be troublesome is that unless you pumped your luck/seed lv/rolled with Hawkeye, they're still relatively rare.

    I actually have max luck Hawkeye with the item drop skill, and the drop rate is ass. Definitely lower in the dungeons than it was in the mirage town in the original. I think I've had one drop through 4 Benevodon dungeons. If the intent is to have you class change after all of the Benevodon dungeons then it kind of makes sense, but when you hit level 38 before the first dungeon I'm not a huge fan.

    I'll admit I wound up just finding a cheatengine table that had a nice easy to use item spawner script, and just spawned the 3 items I wanted. Much better than farming low drop rate items that may not even turn into the items I want.

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  • lionheart_mlionheart_m Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Fiatil wrote: »
    I was also hoping they would find some neat solution for the ghost ship. Alas, Angela is still a half level behind at level 45.

    Also, ??? mark seeds are still dumb. They seem worse in this iteration because you could farm them really hard outside of....whatever the mirage town place is called where you were around level 38 in the original. You hit 38 waaaay earlier and I haven't gotten there yet, and the drop rate outside of that seems really low! Luckily there are ways around having to farm them with the PC version, so hooray progress one way or another I suppose.

    You can actually farm them in the very Benovodons dungeons. The thing that might be troublesome is that unless you pumped your luck/seed lv/rolled with Hawkeye, they're still relatively rare.

    The fixed drop chests are salvation. And guaranteed to get you all six items in six chests apparently? (My first six on two playthroughs both made complete sets at any rate).

    I was unlucky and got repeats when I planted them. :(

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Fiatil wrote: »
    I was also hoping they would find some neat solution for the ghost ship. Alas, Angela is still a half level behind at level 45.

    Also, ??? mark seeds are still dumb. They seem worse in this iteration because you could farm them really hard outside of....whatever the mirage town place is called where you were around level 38 in the original. You hit 38 waaaay earlier and I haven't gotten there yet, and the drop rate outside of that seems really low! Luckily there are ways around having to farm them with the PC version, so hooray progress one way or another I suppose.

    You can actually farm them in the very Benovodons dungeons. The thing that might be troublesome is that unless you pumped your luck/seed lv/rolled with Hawkeye, they're still relatively rare.

    The fixed drop chests are salvation. And guaranteed to get you all six items in six chests apparently? (My first six on two playthroughs both made complete sets at any rate).

    I was unlucky and got repeats when I planted them. :(

    Hmm. The first six I planted in both of my runs so far did give me them all. Not sure if that's luck or not. Will find out this weekend...ish? Whenever I get there on my Angela (/Duran/Hawkeye) run here. No heals, all dark classes!

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