CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
I've lived in Texas all my life and often heard or read the word compadre, but it wasn't until reading this book that I realized that that word, although generally used to mean "good friend", is also the Spanish word for the person you name as godfather to your child. (like "co-papa")
I realized this not because the text mentioned it, but because they used the word comadre next to the word compadre, and I knew what a comadre was. Though I didn't know it could also mean "good buddy" but of the female variety.
Comadre can also be used to mean midwife, apparently (Googled to find that one out).
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
Supposedly Eric Johnson can hear the difference if you change the brand of battery in his pedals.
I'm catching up on this thread and this reminded me of something.
A looooong time ago, I think in one of the New Comic threads back when those still existed, I was making some mediocre joke about Tim Buckley the webcomic artist having the same name as Tim Buckley the musician, and I posted a link to the musician's wikipedia article
and you must have clicked through to that article because you were disgusted that it described him as having a twelve-octave vocal range, and you made a point of personally removing that claim and making sure it stayed removed.
I didn't know that anybody actually put glasses or cups in cabinets any other way than rim down. My family isn't from anywhere near the dust bowl prairies or bug infested tenements. They just stack better that way ( I've always used plastic cups)
Ok so until this post I was thinking you guys meant (eye)glasses for some reason, and I was thinking “what the hell difference does that make for dust?”
Supposedly Eric Johnson can hear the difference if you change the brand of battery in his pedals.
I'm catching up on this thread and this reminded me of something.
A looooong time ago, I think in one of the New Comic threads back when those still existed, I was making some mediocre joke about Tim Buckley the webcomic artist having the same name as Tim Buckley the musician, and I posted a link to the musician's wikipedia article
and you must have clicked through to that article because you were disgusted that it described him as having a twelve-octave vocal range, and you made a point of personally removing that claim and making sure it stayed removed.
I remember at one point hearing the factoid that Mariah Carey had, like, maybe 9 or 10 octaves? And being like, "that's insane, that's so many octaves" and looking at a piano and just being like "Mariah says get rekt"
A quick google tells me more than 3 is kinda rare with some reaching 6. I guess Plavalaguna could maybe do more? Basically humans suck at vocalising is my takeaway.
i store glasses rim-up because i'm from an upper-middle-class family in the northeast (which i have completely betrayed with my life's trajectory.)
meanwhile, my partner is from the desert, so it becomes immediately obvious which of us has put away the glasses and mugs.
I don't even think 4 is possible based on how human vocal chords and folds work. Apparently a lot of these "six octave" claims involve whistling, which doesn't utilize vocal chords at all.
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Brovid Hasselsmof[Growling historic on the fury road]Registered Userregular
Most people have a 2 octave range, a professional singer has 2.5-3, rare talents have 5+ with the world record holder having 10
Edit: Google says Mariah Carey’s range is 5 octaves
Five sounds bonkers enough, 10 would involve sub or supersonic frequencies so I’m a bit skeptical. 3 is a decent range for a professional classical singer.
I don't even think 4 is possible based on how human vocal chords and folds work. Apparently a lot of these "six octave" claims involve whistling, which doesn't utilize vocal chords at all.
Four is well possible if you’re a baritone with a decent countertenor. Harder to get that range for a woman, usually, though.
In the most scientific terms, an octave is the term we devised to label the distance between any given pitch, and the pitch exactly half or twice its frequency.
In Julie Andrews terms, it’s all the way from“ doe, a deer,” up to “brings us back to do”.
Basically this. An octave is 8 steps up whichever musical scale you're using*. On a piano it's basically any one key to the next iteration of the same positional key, like this:
Notice it's actually 12 notes or "semitones" because for whatever reason we divide the octave into twelve actual notes.
*assuming you're using a scale that is more or less compatible with the traditional western system of music theory.
I will further note that if you actually go by frequencies, most labeled/defined pitches are slightly off. This is because the way we measure musical distance in relative terms (octaves, fifths, fourths, etc) is very much not perfect and creates all sorts of really nasty ugly problems the further you stray from the most intended use of the system in question.
Things like Just Intonation and the like are various systems developed to map and divide frequencies. It's actually ... well, really fucky.
Youtubers Adam Neely and 12tone both have videos where they talk about these sorts of things. Adam Neely is a bassist and someone I highly recommend if you enjoy music theory and jazz and composition from someone who is both formally educated and also smart enough to seek outside ideas (he talks a lot about non-western traditions in music and tuning). 12tone is similarly very highly educated and talks a whole lot about music theory in general, specifically as a tool to analyze and describe music and how we use it, and he has lots of videos where he analyzes various songs in popular media and shows how the compositional choices they made can be described to help reinforce the stories being told by those songs. He tends toward the descriptivist approach, and hates things the concept of musical rules which must be followed.
It was the grand meeting of the managers today at work this morning
All the store managers and Market manager {he did say HI to me as I worked with him before asking if I was interested in a job in front of my store manager} Were in the store this morning for the market meeting
Just sadly it was chaos at night as we had to shine the turd that is our store. I did all of frozen by myself and had to bin all of frozen's backstock and dairy's backstock from yesterday and today {I don't think they really do anything during the day other than hide}
It was the grand meeting of the managers today at work this morning
All the store managers and Market manager {he did say HI to me as I worked with him before asking if I was interested in a job in front of my store manager} Were in the store this morning for the market meeting
Just sadly it was chaos at night as we had to shine the turd that is our store. I did all of frozen by myself and had to bin all of frozen's backstock and dairy's backstock from yesterday and today {I don't think they really do anything during the day other than hide}
In the last month I've told off two vendors by accident because I thought I was on mute.
Need to be more careful.
Also I need a vacation.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
All this talk about octaves is interesting! I got my degree in music but I don't ever remember talk about what ranges are possible with the human voice... probably because I wasn't a vocalist so it didn't really matter to me, but I did have to take several sigh-singing courses as a part of my major, you would have thought someone would mention it.
I would have guessed it true that Mariah Carey had 6 octaves or more, but I didn't consider that the lower range is what you would need to have a range that extended and she does not have the low range. Given that, I guess it does make sense that she only has a 4 octave range. It is a little hard for me to believe that Axl Rose can get as high as Mariah Carey, though, so I also am in doubt that he has more range than her. Does someone test these things, or do we just go on what the artist says their highest and lowest note are?
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
Maybe he is just waiting for you to go "Humans are bastards", so he can go "Thank you! Yes! A+!".
This reminds me of an extremely good classical literature professor I had back in the late 90s, who when talking to him privately about something, asked me what I thought the theme of Medea was. To which I replied, "Nobody's any damn good."
If you're curious what prompted this conversation, it was that Prof had done an in-class assignment where he asked us to write down whether we liked Jason or Medea more, and why. And as they are both complete shitlords I had a real hard time picking one, but finally went with Jason, since Medea killed her kids and all. If she had only killed Jason's new GF I would have chosen her, but kid killing is going pretty deep into fucked-up land.
So after class I went up to the professor and told him that I hadn't wanted to put either name down, that the only person who I had a slightly less negative opinion for was the king who offered Medea sanctuary in his kingdom. He asks me if I understood what the king's deal is, and I said, "he's impotent" and that Medea was going to help him with that. (As an aside, I was an incredibly sheltered young lady, and having the bravery to say the word "impotent" out loud to anyone was a landmark moment for me, which is probably why this memory lasted so long) . So yeah, that guy was just as big an asshole as the rest, because he's harboring a child murder so she can get his dick up. That's when I proposed the theory that the play's theme was that nobody is any damn good.
In that same class, we did a mock trial of Oedipus. The prosecution pointed out that Oedipus wasn't tragic because the thing that started it all was that he killed a man in a fit of road rage, and I haven't been able to see Oedipus as anything other than a ragey dumbass pulling a gun on someone who cut him off in traffic ever since.
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"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
Male vocalists with practiced falsetto tend to be able to cheat a bit on their vocal ranges. A baritone basically gets 3-3.5 octaves for free, even if it's not all the most comfortable to sing.
For testing, it is super easy. Someone plays a note and you sing it. Find the lowest you can do and the highest you can do. Takes very little time and is a thing most vocal coaches do day one to figure out how to help you.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
Male vocalists with practiced falsetto tend to be able to cheat a bit on their vocal ranges. A baritone basically gets 3-3.5 octaves for free, even if it's not all the most comfortable to sing.
For testing, it is super easy. Someone plays a note and you sing it. Find the lowest you can do and the highest you can do. Takes very little time and is a thing most vocal coaches do day one to figure out how to help you.
Even using my upper register I can't get as high as Mariah Carey, not even in some out-of-tune way. It's nuts.
This does remind me of a story I heard in one of my vocal classes where some historical music figure was training his wife's voice, and to get her to extend her range he'd just always tell her she was flat. So every day she extended higher without realizing it. I don't know if I find this brilliant or shitty of him.
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"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
After some dicking around it seems like I can hit 4 octaves pretty consistently with falsetto. Loosening up the vocal chords really makes a big difference, this morning I couldn't do shit.
The only way I'm hitting four octaves is with a microphone next to my butt as I loose a whistler
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
Texas Gov't prof was supposed to put up the test today but he didn't. I sent him an email, I wanted to take the test today and have it over. It'll be annoying if it's tomorrow instead, because I was expecting to have an interview with J.P. Morgan then. Though they haven't given me a time yet so who knows. And yes I know it won't take all day to do an interview, but I was hoping to study for it first and I can't do that if I haven't finished the test yet.
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
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My mom is a professional musician and opera singer and does vocal coaching. Those videos are physically harming me.
edit: I can't tell if this is actually serious advice or if it's a joke and she's taking the piss out of herself, but on the off chance it's serious: do not sing with this much tension in your voice ever. At best you're going to sound pitchy and struggle to hit high or low notes, and at worst you're going to damage your vocal cords.
The exercises themselves aren't necessarily bad, but the way she explains to do them is not great and the example she's setting really stinks.
I have found that changing pitch is more to do with how you squeeze your cheeks during the expulsion.
Remember to make sure your throat pouch is properly inflated.
Also, people seem to think it's heat that lets you hit the high notes, but in reality an ice cube applied to the taint will get your pitch higher than a red-hot poker in the same spot.
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I realized this not because the text mentioned it, but because they used the word comadre next to the word compadre, and I knew what a comadre was. Though I didn't know it could also mean "good buddy" but of the female variety.
Comadre can also be used to mean midwife, apparently (Googled to find that one out).
I'm catching up on this thread and this reminded me of something.
A looooong time ago, I think in one of the New Comic threads back when those still existed, I was making some mediocre joke about Tim Buckley the webcomic artist having the same name as Tim Buckley the musician, and I posted a link to the musician's wikipedia article
and you must have clicked through to that article because you were disgusted that it described him as having a twelve-octave vocal range, and you made a point of personally removing that claim and making sure it stayed removed.
Ok so until this post I was thinking you guys meant (eye)glasses for some reason, and I was thinking “what the hell difference does that make for dust?”
I remember at one point hearing the factoid that Mariah Carey had, like, maybe 9 or 10 octaves? And being like, "that's insane, that's so many octaves" and looking at a piano and just being like "Mariah says get rekt"
A quick google tells me more than 3 is kinda rare with some reaching 6. I guess Plavalaguna could maybe do more? Basically humans suck at vocalising is my takeaway.
Edit: Google says Mariah Carey’s range is 5 octaves
meanwhile, my partner is from the desert, so it becomes immediately obvious which of us has put away the glasses and mugs.
Five sounds bonkers enough, 10 would involve sub or supersonic frequencies so I’m a bit skeptical. 3 is a decent range for a professional classical singer.
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In Julie Andrews terms, it’s all the way from“ doe, a deer,” up to “brings us back to do”.
Four is well possible if you’re a baritone with a decent countertenor. Harder to get that range for a woman, usually, though.
An octave is an interval of 8 whole notes (octo!)
C defgab C
So if you go one octave above or below a note, you will be at the same note but a higher or lower pitch, respectively.
But the quality of my voice has taken a nose dive since I started talking for a living.
Basically this. An octave is 8 steps up whichever musical scale you're using*. On a piano it's basically any one key to the next iteration of the same positional key, like this:
Notice it's actually 12 notes or "semitones" because for whatever reason we divide the octave into twelve actual notes.
*assuming you're using a scale that is more or less compatible with the traditional western system of music theory.
Things like Just Intonation and the like are various systems developed to map and divide frequencies. It's actually ... well, really fucky.
Youtubers Adam Neely and 12tone both have videos where they talk about these sorts of things. Adam Neely is a bassist and someone I highly recommend if you enjoy music theory and jazz and composition from someone who is both formally educated and also smart enough to seek outside ideas (he talks a lot about non-western traditions in music and tuning). 12tone is similarly very highly educated and talks a whole lot about music theory in general, specifically as a tool to analyze and describe music and how we use it, and he has lots of videos where he analyzes various songs in popular media and shows how the compositional choices they made can be described to help reinforce the stories being told by those songs. He tends toward the descriptivist approach, and hates things the concept of musical rules which must be followed.
e: if you're especially nerdy about math and music look up 12tones videos about commas.
Axl Rose is up there, as is Mariah Carey, and the dude from Slipknot.
EDIT: Oh hey, I found where I found that.
So is DefGab like an alternative to TED Talks, or what?
100% original character do not steal.
What? DefGab for Cutie has been around for years - my wife loves them.
Hope they’re ready to get sued!
All the store managers and Market manager {he did say HI to me as I worked with him before asking if I was interested in a job in front of my store manager} Were in the store this morning for the market meeting
Just sadly it was chaos at night as we had to shine the turd that is our store. I did all of frozen by myself
Mos Def’s call-in radio talk show.
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Did you say yes?
Need to be more careful.
Also I need a vacation.
I would have guessed it true that Mariah Carey had 6 octaves or more, but I didn't consider that the lower range is what you would need to have a range that extended and she does not have the low range. Given that, I guess it does make sense that she only has a 4 octave range. It is a little hard for me to believe that Axl Rose can get as high as Mariah Carey, though, so I also am in doubt that he has more range than her. Does someone test these things, or do we just go on what the artist says their highest and lowest note are?
If you're curious what prompted this conversation, it was that Prof had done an in-class assignment where he asked us to write down whether we liked Jason or Medea more, and why. And as they are both complete shitlords I had a real hard time picking one, but finally went with Jason, since Medea killed her kids and all. If she had only killed Jason's new GF I would have chosen her, but kid killing is going pretty deep into fucked-up land.
So after class I went up to the professor and told him that I hadn't wanted to put either name down, that the only person who I had a slightly less negative opinion for was the king who offered Medea sanctuary in his kingdom. He asks me if I understood what the king's deal is, and I said, "he's impotent" and that Medea was going to help him with that. (As an aside, I was an incredibly sheltered young lady, and having the bravery to say the word "impotent" out loud to anyone was a landmark moment for me, which is probably why this memory lasted so long) . So yeah, that guy was just as big an asshole as the rest, because he's harboring a child murder so she can get his dick up. That's when I proposed the theory that the play's theme was that nobody is any damn good.
In that same class, we did a mock trial of Oedipus. The prosecution pointed out that Oedipus wasn't tragic because the thing that started it all was that he killed a man in a fit of road rage, and I haven't been able to see Oedipus as anything other than a ragey dumbass pulling a gun on someone who cut him off in traffic ever since.
For testing, it is super easy. Someone plays a note and you sing it. Find the lowest you can do and the highest you can do. Takes very little time and is a thing most vocal coaches do day one to figure out how to help you.
Even using my upper register I can't get as high as Mariah Carey, not even in some out-of-tune way. It's nuts.
This does remind me of a story I heard in one of my vocal classes where some historical music figure was training his wife's voice, and to get her to extend her range he'd just always tell her she was flat. So every day she extended higher without realizing it. I don't know if I find this brilliant or shitty of him.
I miss karaoke.
and then when you've done that:
edit: I can't tell if this is actually serious advice or if it's a joke and she's taking the piss out of herself, but on the off chance it's serious: do not sing with this much tension in your voice ever. At best you're going to sound pitchy and struggle to hit high or low notes, and at worst you're going to damage your vocal cords.
The exercises themselves aren't necessarily bad, but the way she explains to do them is not great and the example she's setting really stinks.
Remember to make sure your throat pouch is properly inflated.
Also, people seem to think it's heat that lets you hit the high notes, but in reality an ice cube applied to the taint will get your pitch higher than a red-hot poker in the same spot.