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[Apex Legends]: Let the Revelry begin!

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    That all makes sense; I don't know that Seer will pull me personally away from Valk but I look forward to being upset by him in the near future.

  • SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    I think maybe I'm just not good enough at this game anymore.

    The last time I played ranked a regular amount a few seasons ago I made it to gold pretty easily and had a 0.9 kd; not amazing, but fine. I even got the "win a game as the champion and kill leader" badge!

    25 games into this season I'm still firmly in bronze with a 0.37 kd.

    It's still one of my favorite things to play so I'ma keep at it but hoo boy my expectations have needed some adjusting.

  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    Don't forget that a lot of folks grind out ranked (including pre-made teams) at the start of the season, and some of those have been bumped down from higher lobbies to boot! I like to give it a week or so to settle down.

  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    Yeah, ranked is always a joke at the start of the season.

    I played a bit on PS5 yesterday, where my account is level 20 and since I suck at controllers, I'm completely useless. I went into my Bronze IV ranked lobby and we managed to get to 2nd place, only to die in a 3v1 against a dude who has something like 60k kills.

    It's honestly not his fault that the system is designed in a way that higher level players end up having to rank all the way up again from bronze if they don't play ranked often. The most perplexing thing is that Arenas ranked has placement matches, but not BR.

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    For those who aren't eternally plugged in, the main thing with the split is that everyone drops 1.5 full ranks, yes.

    Also, Bronze, Silver, and Gold is all lumped together and basically the 'GenPop' segment of the ranked playerbase.

    Which means you have Diamond IV folks from last split are now Gold I.

    Sure, yes, said folks should advance into Plat+ pretty swiftly... unless they skipped the last split entirely, which means those Gold I's are now Silver III, and you get legit foxes in the henhouse.

    Even if you add a couple of ranks, you can still have former Master's folks slumming it now and then, and since their skills vastly outstrip most others in the lobby, it can really stand out.

    Then again, you also get the 'new accounts' that go on crazy 4k+ damage sprees, in part either YouTubers or those inspired by them doing 'Bronze to Masters in 1 stream' style shit. Or just smurf accounts, because hard stuck Plat and Diamond folks looking for easy (or at least easier) games are known to do that kind of shit.

    I nudged up from Silver II to Silver I and will likely Nope right out of Ranked for a bit. It's not the sweatiest of games yet, but early season Gold and late season Gold are two different beasts, and I'm in no rush to 'enjoy' the former right at the moment.

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  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular

    I wouldn't expect fundamental changes to the kit. I will say that the flash on hit ended up being way more than intended and we will be removing that aspect entirely from the ability. This and the other balance adjustments will be in an upcoming patch (sooner than mid season).

    So at least the flash is going away from Seer's tactical, but the rest might just be numbers tweaks

  • OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    I know arenas isn't for everyone, but man, when you get matched against a team at a similar skill level and you get a tense back and forth game for 7-9 rounds, trying to figure out how they like to play whilst mixing up your own approach so they can't catch you out in the same way, it's so much fun!

    SatsumomocB557
  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    I'm going to say that Seer's actual strongest ability is his passive. If you're constantly using it (You can hold Q down and run at full sprint FYI) you will always be aware of who's around. My K/D and winrate has massively gone up this season thanks to always having the jump on teams.

    In a fight, you can see where someone's coming from if they're behind cover, it's just nuts.

    Satsumomo on
    Halos Nach Tariff
  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    I'm going to say that Seer's actual strongest ability is his passive. If you're constantly using it (You can hold Q down and run at full sprint FYI) you will always be aware of who's around. My K/D and winrate has massively gone up this season thanks to always having the jump on teams.

    In a fight, you can see where someone's coming from if they're behind cover, it's just nuts.

    I'm really hoping that since they have a toggle for turning it on/off that they can give it a usage limit and/or cooldown, because the passive is a primary reason the tact is so good. Hard to miss when you know exactly where they are.

  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    The passive is really strong, yeah, I've had a fair few games lately with disconnecting/missing players, and even just sneaking about till the end zones is a tricky prospect with so many seers about. There's a few ways they could tone it down potentially, a 'fuel gauge' or time limit, shortened range, make it only work with weapons stowed away, make it only track the nearest player, etc. It doesn't sound like they're looking to make huge changes though, so we'll see what they come up with.

  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    You know what else Seer has on his tact that's sort of busted?

    He recovers to usable weapons in about half the time that Bloodhound does from his scan.

    Why is everything on this dude just straight up better than all other legends

    mRahmanischuss
  • Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    Today I had a pretty good Seer run (didn't end up winning but still) where I got two knocks with his tactical. I mean yeah the flash is annoying bullshit too, but even without it it still interrupts, damages, reveals and temporarily slows you. It's kind of fucking nuts.

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  • mRahmanimRahmani DetroitRegistered User regular
    The more my brothers and I run Seer the more absolutely fucking bananas he is. We've gotten very good at what we call the Seer360 - while sprinting, jump and ADS to check for upcoming enemies, jump again and spin/ADS behind you to check for enemies from the rear, rinse repeat. You move at full speed and know at all times if there's an enemy within 75M of you through walls, and around 300M in your line of sight. Who needs Crypto/BH when you just have infinite undetectable wallhacks 24/7?

    SatsumomoForar
  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    You can also hold down your tactical to run around and slide whilst scanning, but I'm not sure if it's full sprint speed or not.

    There's a little update out, but it's not Seer changes yet (They're due next week apparently) but there's a -1 damage per bullet on the prowler, and a reduced ADS strafe speed on the L-star. Also both of those guns got a cost increase in arenas.

  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    The Prowler change is because it has nearly no recoil/kick when hipfiring, so its utterly dominating at the high end of play.

  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    Oh yeah, I don't disagree with either change, if anything the prowler could probably be adjusted down a little more and still be a perfectly fine gun, it's very good!

    stopgap
  • Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    (CW: misogyny, racism)
    https://mp1st.com/news/apex-legends-lead-balance-designer-terminated-after-controversial-remarks-surface-dev-posts-apology

    The lead balance guy, Daniel Klein, was fired yesterday. He claims the reason is bigoted shit he said on his blog years ago, you can see in that post.
    The Apex community who hated the guy and wanted him gone because of Seer and Wattson finally got what they wanted, just not for the reasons they wanted him gone lol.

  • ArteenArteen Adept ValeRegistered User regular
    It sounds like the "Apex community" and League of Legends where he used to work, hated his guts and have all sorts of bad things to say about him, both the quality of his person and the quality of his work.

    I guess I'm not online enough to have ever heard about the guy outside of reddit vitriol, so I have no informed opinion on the matter. I never had much of a problem with how Respawn chose to balance the game.

    Based on the snippets in that article, Mr. Klein of ~15 years ago was a turd. Hopefully he's not that person anymore.

  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    Played some last night, one of my teammates was a Seer who never used any of his abilities once. There's no ping for "use your damn abilities already" and I guess there shouldn't be but it was cool too be in a fight going "gee it'd sure be nice to know where the enemies are, too bad nobody here has the ability to make that happen, ugh."

    metaghost
  • Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    I think I've found the one true way in Arena for me, and that way is Rampart. The increased magazine size and reload time on LMG's, especially when you can just like... pick one, and not have to get lucky? *chef's kiss*

    Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    I've been playing some solo ranked, now that the top people have hopefully all progressed on their way out of bronze and silver, and last night was shaping up to be kind of crummy. Teammates were all over the place, everyone was hot dropping into the city with no real plan, people were running off by themselves left and right, I couldn't hit the broad side of a bus with any gun, it was bad.

    But in the spirit of "leave on a good one," I kept playing, and finally my last game of the night was glorious sweet bullshit. It started like they had been, hot drop, bad firefights, but these teammates were at least sticking together and we managed to rez each other and all stay up. The first zone closes in and my teammate and I both go down and my other teammate gets us up and then heroically charges into the oncoming zone to have another fight, for some reason, and my teammate and I head out of the zone to heal up. We run into other people also fleeing, have an absurd ugly fight, and somehow I'm the last one standing with one teammates banner and the other teammate timed out in the zone (I almost got to their box but didn't, then they quit).

    What happened next was an insane helter skelter flight across the map searching for a respawn beacon that was only possible because I was playing Valk, which included one use of my ult to get away from a giant clusterfight and a mad boost across the lava river with people shooting at me the whole time which was only possible with Valk's jet pack. My teammate, to their credit, hung out and watched while I scrambled and I finally managed to get them up and we did a little bit of looting before the zone drove every other team towards us and I used my ult again to get us into the center of the next to last circle. Then we sat there and watched every other team kill each other as the zone moved them towards us until the very last circle was my teammate and I and a Fuse by themselves and we 2v1'd successfully and won the game. It was fantastic, none of it would have been possible without Valk's insane mobility kit, and we didn't deserve that win in any way.

    Apex is a pretty good game sometimes.

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  • MyNameIsWalrusMyNameIsWalrus Registered User regular
    Managed to win 5 games in a row earlier playing with @Satsumomo and @Custom Special plus a couple of randoms. I never thought I'd actually get the 5 win streak badge.
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  • CampyCampy Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Holy shmow, 5 in a row is bonkers. All proper legit wins with the dmg and kills too. The final circle in the 5th match must have been sweatfest 2021!


    Having spent some time with and against Seer, I have definitely joined the thronging masses declaring him as OP.

    I don't even know how to fix him tbh. His passive, Q and ult are all broken as fuck. I suppose his Q can have the damage/blind/stun removed, but it's still going to be top tier.

    His ult is just so insanely powerful, the only way to engage with it is not at all.

    Genuinely wouldnt be mad if they just removed/reworked him completely. They can even keep my coins.

    Campy on
    mRahmaniSatsumomo
  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Campy wrote: »
    Holy shmow, 5 in a row is bonkers. All proper legit wins with the dmg and kills too. The final circle in the 5th match must have been sweatfest 2021!


    Having spent some time with and against Seer, I have definitely joined the thronging masses declaring him as OP.

    I don't even know how to fix him tbh. His passive, Q and ult are all broken as fuck. I suppose his Q can have the damage/blind/stun removed, but it's still going to be top tier.

    His ult is just so insanely powerful, the only way to engage with it is not at all.

    Genuinely wouldnt be mad if they just removed/reworked him completely. They can even keep my coins.

    Funnily enough, the last match the other team died to the ring IIRC :P But they were definitely some great matches, if I've learned something from playing with Walrus is that adequate rotation is more important for winning than having the best aim.

    Satsumomo on
    Custom Special
  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Campy wrote: »
    Holy shmow, 5 in a row is bonkers. All proper legit wins with the dmg and kills too. The final circle in the 5th match must have been sweatfest 2021!


    Having spent some time with and against Seer, I have definitely joined the thronging masses declaring him as OP.

    I don't even know how to fix him tbh. His passive, Q and ult are all broken as fuck. I suppose his Q can have the damage/blind/stun removed, but it's still going to be top tier.

    His ult is just so insanely powerful, the only way to engage with it is not at all.

    Genuinely wouldnt be mad if they just removed/reworked him completely. They can even keep my coins.

    Funnily enough, the last match the other team died to the ring IIRC :P But they were definitely some great matches, if I've learned something from playing with Walrus is that adequate rotation is more important for winning than having the best aim.

    Yep. I'm still trash at the game, but not enough teams and randos think "how do we win fights? What's our favorite fight to take?"
    We had one win where I had to force the team to bunker up on a choke when we had wattson and good gear. Wiped the last two teams easy peasy as they tried to push into fences while getting pushed by the ring.

    Satsumomo
  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    I will never understand the randos that push waaaay ahead of us, die to a 1v3 and then start raging on chat/voice about "yo where are you guysss". Is there a teleport keybinding I'm missing maybe?

    Satsumomo on
  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    It seems like there's a school of thought, I think driven by the way Twitch streamers play, that the optimal strategy is to get into a lot of early fights and take loot off of the people you kill instead of spending much time looting the environment. I don't agree with it, as a person who's better at positioning and movement than the raw gunplay, but I can see the appeal in terms of getting your shield leveled up.

  • mRahmanimRahmani DetroitRegistered User regular
    It's more that the combat loop in this game is incredibly fun, so people actively want to get in fights. That goes double if you run aggressive characters like Octane or whatever. My brothers and I typically land pretty hot and chase gunshots the entire match. We would win more matches if we played more reserved but we're having fun.

  • CampyCampy Registered User regular
    Peen wrote: »
    It seems like there's a school of thought, I think driven by the way Twitch streamers play, that the optimal strategy is to get into a lot of early fights and take loot off of the people you kill instead of spending much time looting the environment. I don't agree with it, as a person who's better at positioning and movement than the raw gunplay, but I can see the appeal in terms of getting your shield leveled up.

    If you can outplay most people then it's definitely the optimal strategy, since you're essentially just looting all the best gear from 2x the area.

    Personally I don't think about it too much in terms of optimisation, and just change up my drops depending on what sort of games I've had recently. Sometimes you've had a few slow'uns so you need to drop blue'd Fragment and fight 10 teams with just a P2020.

  • OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
    if you're playing with randos though you know fuck all about the skill level of your randos unless they've already wiped out an entire poi by themselves, so it's a very prisoner's dilemma situation

    is it contingent on me, who is trying to have a good game, to just assume my rando teammate running ahead is someone worth supporting and go in guns blazing right behind them? nah

    If the rando who runs ahead into a 1v3 there's 3 main possibilities: a) if they weren't aware that their teammates were 50 meters off and still engaged that 1v3 to lose they're just an idiot, b) if they were aware their teammates were far away and still engaged the 1v3 to lose they had an extremely overinflated sense of confidence in their own skills and c) if they engaged the 1v3 and won in which case they didn't need their teammates to start with

    PeenSatsumomoSurfpossum
  • Custom SpecialCustom Special I know I am, I'm sure I am, I'm Sounders 'til I die!Registered User regular
    I saw someone post the store refresh on Reddit and I am very sad that I can't buy the Caustic and Fuse recolors because I'm out of town for a while. :cry:

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Peen wrote: »
    It seems like there's a school of thought, I think driven by the way Twitch streamers play, that the optimal strategy is to get into a lot of early fights and take loot off of the people you kill instead of spending much time looting the environment. I don't agree with it, as a person who's better at positioning and movement than the raw gunplay, but I can see the appeal in terms of getting your shield leveled up.

    From a top tier player standpoint, the strategy is just correct. From a learning standpoint, it's also correct since you'll obviously be forced to get better at firefights if you're in constant practice with getting into them. From a "way you feel like playing the game" standpoint, it may not be what you enjoy or want to do, so... shrug.

    Dyvim Tvar
  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    I don't agree that playing that way with Johnny Rando is necessarily correct. If you're in a team on voice comms then yeah definitely, 100%, but the only thing I've learned by playing that way with (bronze and silver level) randoms is how to lose a frustrating 1v3. I know you have to get into gunfights to learn how to be better at gunfights but honestly I'd rather play Arenas for that, the Battle Royale can have more strategy to it than just straight thirsting and it's nice to employ at least some of that?

  • OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
    Top player strats are only semi-relevant to average players in that they present some things you should learn to do, but top players playing in a regular lobby don't have to worry about a lot of things regular players might because they're so mechanically superior to their opponents. As a learning strat it's also not necessarily useful if you run in 1v3 and get lasered in 1s - you learned nothing you can improve on from that experience.

    If you're playing ranked at Plat or above running at fights without considering at least a couple of factors is dumb, actually, and you shouldn't be committing to fights you can't finish.

    PeenLord_Asmodeus
  • MyNameIsWalrusMyNameIsWalrus Registered User regular
    Looks like some Seer balance changes went live.

    Good morning! We just shipped a @ playapex update that fixes a few bugs and introduces balance changes to Seer.

    See full details below:

    8/23/2021 Update

    Seer Changes

    Passive

    Increased wait time between sensor spikes for full HP targets (1.25s to 1.75s)

    Removed center circle ellipses

    Reduced range beyond 75m (blue spikes)

    Reduced field of view

    Tactical


    Increased detonation delay from 1.4s to 1.6s

    Players hit are no longer damaged or flashed. Screen shake from being hit is also reduced

    Move slow added while holding tactical

    Lowered volume on audio

    Fixed tactical FX being visible in firing range when it's not supposed to be

    Ultimate


    Increase cooldown from 90s to 120s

    Lowered volume on audio

    Miscellaneous


    Fixed several errors related with Seer

    Adjusted volume of voice lines that play when Seer is chosen

    Other Fixes

    Fixed a problem caused by Climatizer FX ("No existing effect for handle" error)

    Fixed an issue with challenges ("Array index -1 is out of range")

    Fixed most instances of Legends "holding a grenade" when they have none in their inventroy (Wattson still suffers from this in some rare cases)

    Fixed an error with using multiple grenades on explosive holds (a following update later today will cause explosive holds to spawn closed again)

    Switch: Fixed Holospray display

    PeenOrphaneForarLord_Asmodeus
  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    mRahmani wrote: »
    It's more that the combat loop in this game is incredibly fun, so people actively want to get in fights. That goes double if you run aggressive characters like Octane or whatever. My brothers and I typically land pretty hot and chase gunshots the entire match. We would win more matches if we played more reserved but we're having fun.

    I understand this, but like your team is running right behind you, why get into the 1v3 instead of waiting for 10 seconds? And then get mad at your teammates for not being there!

    Satsumomo on
  • Halos Nach TariffHalos Nach Tariff Can you blame me? I'm too famous.Registered User regular
    The Seer changes feel pretty good at first assessment, the biggest impacts are not being able to hold your tactical aimed to scan at full sprint anymore, you won't have full awareness of everyone around you without slowing down unless you practice 360 slide jumps or something, and the increased detonation time definitely meant I could dodge enemy seer scans which I wouldn't have been able to previously on occasion. I still feel like the ultimate needs a 'microdrones detected' (or similar) warning whilst you're inside of its area, if there are multiple friendly and enemy ults in one spot, or you're inside a building, it can be touch to tell when you're being tracked or not sometimes. I didn't really notice the changes to the heartbeat spikes/reticule, but I wasn't very good at using it in the first place.

    Also it feels like the lobbies are waaay rougher this season? Sometimes I look out the back of the ship and half the players are sporting diamond/master trials, a literal apex predator murderised me a couple of days ago, I'm just trying to relax gang!

    Here's a little clip cos I don't get to be kill leader very often:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSK-ne3BpvI

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    I think I hated Ranked split 1 more in S9, but I'm on the cusp of Gold III and still see plenty of specialty trails out the back, so maybe it's something else. It'd be nice to hit Plat before the next split, as I'll be unavailable for a solid week in September (which I'm now noticing is literally the final week of this split). Oh well, either I'll hit it, or just have to dive in for part 2 once I can come up for air again.

    I always finish the BP early, but it'll be another thing to keep an eye on. Not sure I've taken a whole week off in the past year and change of playing. Break free for a bit and see what happens. Or how long it takes the cold sweats to kick in.

    "It's okay, TTV_Bald_Wraith and LooT-GobliN-OctanE can't hurt you anymore..."

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
  • CampyCampy Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    mRahmani wrote: »
    It's more that the combat loop in this game is incredibly fun, so people actively want to get in fights. That goes double if you run aggressive characters like Octane or whatever. My brothers and I typically land pretty hot and chase gunshots the entire match. We would win more matches if we played more reserved but we're having fun.

    I understand this, but like your team is running right behind you, why get into the 1v3 instead of waiting for 10 seconds? And then get mad at your teammates for not being there!

    I had exactly this the other day. With classic Octane behaviour, rando #1 ran into a 1v3 and got insta-deaded. He complained that he "knows that we can move faster than that", and then had the temerity to deny that he was complaining when I called him out on his dumb behaviour.

    What I took away from this is that some people genuinely don't realise that they're doing something wrong when they pull off dumb moves like this.

    I make mistakes all the time, including bad positioning. But at least I'll apologise about it.

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