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"I'm a warrior, you're a shaman. Let's duel. Except you can't use your mana and I can use my rage."
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Imagine thinking that you can't use powers in Mak'Gora LOLOL. What a lore fail. It'd be like thinking you can't merge the Dragonzord with the Thunderzords just because you have to use the Green Power Dagger to summon it.
Garrosh sucks and Thrall is the best. Don't blame Thrall just because your boy Garrosh can't handle a little nature. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Also Garrosh couldn't even be bothered to pronounce Orgimmar properly. He pronounced it "Oh-grim-mar" which was like some backwater hillbilly Orc way of saying it.
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No, but he set the rules for it. That's part of it, right? That the challenged guy sets the rules of the fight? Which is why when Caine and Gary fought it was just in a loincloth and a weapon, because Caine wanted everyone to see his pecs.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
A popular misconception among the fanbase is that Thrall cheated in his final mak'gora against Garrosh when he used elemental magic. However, there has never been any rule forbidding the use of magic and spells. Moreover, there is a precedent for the use of magic in mak'gora, as both Shagara and Ashra made extensive use of it during their mak'gora. Thrall had also already used magic in the first mak'gora between him and Garrosh, by throwing lightning bolts.
Another popular misconception is that Thrall became a weaker shaman as a result of killing Garrosh with elemental magic. In reality, it was his tremendous guilt, self-doubt and internal struggle that were the reason for him not hearing the elements anymore.
Regardless, the Horde has some dumb as fuck traditions (see how Gul'dan was treated) and deserve every stupid thing that happens to them because of it.
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So, here's the thing about mak'gora: the rules change depending on the writer. Sometimes, the rules are strict and traditional, other times, the combatants just make it up as they go along. Over time, its become a total mess. You can read through the wowpedia entry from front to back and still be confused, because they really just did whatever the fuck they wanted with it, and now it makes no sense.
Sometimes magic is allowed. Sometimes it isn't. Sometimes you can have armor. Sometimes you can't. It's really lazy.
My interpretation of mak'gora is pretty traditional: its much more "here are the rules you're meant to follow, the Clans agreed upon them long ago", very little room for "making the rules up each time".
They're well within their rights to say that Thrall lost confidence in himself following Garrosh's death because he's the one who set Garrosh on his path and then placed him in charge. They're well within their rights to say that Thrall just lost the ability to cast spells because his spirit was no longer in balance. That's fine.
But it's lazy.
It makes less sense than "Thrall failed to uphold the tradition of mak'gora; he broke a covenant agreed upon by his ancestors, and the spirits abandoned him for a time". That's my interpretation, and it wouldn't be the ... I mean, the 10th time I've written their lore better than they have, lol.
Hey remind me where the rules of Mak'gora stand on using poison Garry?
To be fair to Garry, he was pissed when he found out his weapon was poisoned and that’s why he won. He told Magatha to go pound sand when she tried to use it to collect repayment.
EDIT: Corrected tense and clarified who I was speaking of.
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Yeah but your interpretation isn't official lore so imma go with the wiki on this one.
Like, it'd be great if Kylo Ren wasn't a dumpster fire person but hey that's official Star Wars canon so he's definitely a dumpster fire person.
Oh, and by the way: fuck Blizzard, lol. They can keep their shitty writing. The last time I tried to fix holes in their lore with the Trolls, they wholesale stole my write up and reposted it officially without giving me any credit.
Yeah but your interpretation isn't official lore so imma go with the wiki on this one.
There is no "official" lore: just a collection of contradictions they've published, with the community left to sort it all out. Wowpedia / Wowwiki isn't official -- it's all just people collecting information across multiple sources and reposting it to an accessible location. The rules of mak'gora are murky at best. To borrow a tabletop term, it's all RAI and no RAW.
I think it's telling they can't even stick to a lore bible. The whole point of writing it down is to prevent what they immediately did. It's sloppy and decisions like it, where details don't matter any more, have led to this current state of Blizzard. It's sad to me, but I can't look away from the car crash.
They used to do decent writing, for video games. The Diablo 2 manual was a blast. Zeratul's speech to Aldaris.
I guess the Metzin mess kicked in after that. Warcraft 3 began his complete obsession with "hero is corrupted to become main villain, good guys are secretly evil, bad guys are secretly noble savages who were being controlled by sleeping space dragons/demons the whole time", recycling it over and over again.
I remember after Warcraft 3, jokingly saying that Starcraft 2 was going to turn out that the Zerg were secretly good guys being mind controlled by a great evil. Then they actually did it!
I was amazed that Diablo 3 didn't turn out to have the angels secretly evil and the prime evils be good guys who were just forced to be bad by an evil spider.
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They used to do decent writing, for video games. The Diablo 2 manual was a blast. Zeratul's speech to Aldaris.
I guess the Metzin mess kicked in after that. Warcraft 3 began his complete obsession with "hero is corrupted to become main villain, good guys are secretly evil, bad guys are secretly noble savages who were being controlled by sleeping space dragons/demons the whole time", recycling it over and over again.
I remember after Warcraft 3, jokingly saying that Starcraft 2 was going to turn out that the Zerg were secretly good guys being mind controlled by a great evil. Then they actually did it!
I was amazed that Diablo 3 didn't turn out to have the angels secretly evil and the prime evils be good guys who were just forced to be bad by an evil spider.
That kinda happens in the expansion to D3. Malthael was the angel of wisdom, became the angel of death, and tried to wipe out sanctuary.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I mean, Imperius is definitely not portrayed in a positive light. He was absolutely their attempt to show the playerbase that, you know, Heaven might be just as bad. And by the way, they're definitely setting that up in WoW now, as well; AU Yrel is a fanatic waging a holy war against the Clans of Draenor. Speculation has been, I mean since that scenario was first introduced, that the Light would be the Big Bad of the next expansion.
Turalyon acting as Regent of Stormwind during the events of Shadowlands certainly fits into the "Golden One Claims A Vacant Throne. The Crown of Light Will Bring Only Darkness" prophecy.
But who am I kidding? Next expansion?
They still haven't even released 9.1
It makes less sense than "Thrall failed to uphold the tradition of mak'gora; he broke a covenant agreed upon by his ancestors, and the spirits abandoned him for a time". That's my interpretation, and it wouldn't be the ... I mean, the 10th time I've written their lore better than they have, lol.
A popular misconception among the fanbase is that Thrall cheated in his final mak'gora against Garrosh when he used elemental magic. However, there has never been any rule forbidding the use of magic and spells. Moreover, there is a precedent for the use of magic in mak'gora, as both Shagara and Ashra made extensive use of it during their mak'gora. Thrall had also already used magic in the first mak'gora between him and Garrosh, by throwing lightning bolts.
Another popular misconception is that Thrall became a weaker shaman as a result of killing Garrosh with elemental magic. In reality, it was his tremendous guilt, self-doubt and internal struggle that were the reason for him not hearing the elements anymore.
Regardless, the Horde has some dumb as fuck traditions (see how Gul'dan was treated) and deserve every stupid thing that happens to them because of it.
I mean, assuming what @MNC Dover put here is accurate, Thrall was in at least 2 duels with Garrosh, and both times he used magic. @milk ducks if your interpretation is correct, then he should have lost his magic after the first time, right? Which makes that outright incorrect based on what has been shown. Regardless of what makes more or less sense.
However I have stopped paying any sort of attention to Warcraft lore a long time ago, in at least some small part because it's a mess. So what do I know, lol.
Honestly, Blizzard feels like American SquareSoft. They keep making similar, stupid mistakes.
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Them hinting that maybe the Naaru and the Light aren't all sunshine and rainbows is the closest WoW has gotten to interesting in ages. Illidan mercing that one Naaru is possibly the story highlight of all of WoW.
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Them hinting that maybe the Naaru and the Light aren't all sunshine and rainbows is the closest WoW has gotten to interesting in ages. Illidan mercing that one Naaru is possibly the story highlight of all of WoW.
That scene would have been a lot better without the tween edgelord dialogue.
Bwonsamdi is about the only good thing they've done for the Warcraft universe since Legion.
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Put bwonsamdi in hots, plz
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GIMME DEM HEROES, BWONSAMDI!
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I still don't know how Vol'jin never made it in.
LoR needs more trolls. I bet that would have made the difference.
Them hinting that maybe the Naaru and the Light aren't all sunshine and rainbows is the closest WoW has gotten to interesting in ages. Illidan mercing that one Naaru is possibly the story highlight of all of WoW.
Didn't Illidan like fucking die in Burning Crusade, what
Like I stopped playing in Mists, what the eff kind of emergency glass did they need to break to be like "WE GOTTA RESURRECT ILLIDAN FROM THE DEAD"
It was a relatively minor retcon, honestly. Maiev shows up after the fight in The Black Temple and takes him to jail. Later, we spend a while finding his soul and jamming it back into his body because a wind chime from outer space lectured us on how we are terrible people for beating him up in the first place.
The last 2 pages are all gibberish baby talk trying to ask for a diaper change to me, but I would vote for this bwonsamie guy cuz they sound cool and are a troll maybe?
Also yeah need a real gnome.
Also wtf am I favoring wow heroes? At this point I am desperate.
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Garrosh didn't make em
I mean, yes he did? That's part of the Mak'Gora.
Garrosh sucks and Thrall is the best. Don't blame Thrall just because your boy Garrosh can't handle a little nature. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Get rekt.
Garrosh didn't invent mak'gora, Munkus.
Thrall's a big pee pee poo poo loser and we all know it lol.
No, but he set the rules for it. That's part of it, right? That the challenged guy sets the rules of the fight? Which is why when Caine and Gary fought it was just in a loincloth and a weapon, because Caine wanted everyone to see his pecs.
Yeah the official story as it stands is most definitely not that the elements ditched him because of the duel.
Thrall sucks now but it's not because of how he killed off one of the worst characters in modern Warcraft lore.
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A popular misconception among the fanbase is that Thrall cheated in his final mak'gora against Garrosh when he used elemental magic. However, there has never been any rule forbidding the use of magic and spells. Moreover, there is a precedent for the use of magic in mak'gora, as both Shagara and Ashra made extensive use of it during their mak'gora. Thrall had also already used magic in the first mak'gora between him and Garrosh, by throwing lightning bolts.
Another popular misconception is that Thrall became a weaker shaman as a result of killing Garrosh with elemental magic. In reality, it was his tremendous guilt, self-doubt and internal struggle that were the reason for him not hearing the elements anymore.
Regardless, the Horde has some dumb as fuck traditions (see how Gul'dan was treated) and deserve every stupid thing that happens to them because of it.
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Sometimes magic is allowed. Sometimes it isn't. Sometimes you can have armor. Sometimes you can't. It's really lazy.
My interpretation of mak'gora is pretty traditional: its much more "here are the rules you're meant to follow, the Clans agreed upon them long ago", very little room for "making the rules up each time".
They're well within their rights to say that Thrall lost confidence in himself following Garrosh's death because he's the one who set Garrosh on his path and then placed him in charge. They're well within their rights to say that Thrall just lost the ability to cast spells because his spirit was no longer in balance. That's fine.
But it's lazy.
It makes less sense than "Thrall failed to uphold the tradition of mak'gora; he broke a covenant agreed upon by his ancestors, and the spirits abandoned him for a time". That's my interpretation, and it wouldn't be the ... I mean, the 10th time I've written their lore better than they have, lol.
To be fair to Garry, he was pissed when he found out his weapon was poisoned and that’s why he won. He told Magatha to go pound sand when she tried to use it to collect repayment.
EDIT: Corrected tense and clarified who I was speaking of.
Like, it'd be great if Kylo Ren wasn't a dumpster fire person but hey that's official Star Wars canon so he's definitely a dumpster fire person.
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There is no "official" lore: just a collection of contradictions they've published, with the community left to sort it all out. Wowpedia / Wowwiki isn't official -- it's all just people collecting information across multiple sources and reposting it to an accessible location. The rules of mak'gora are murky at best. To borrow a tabletop term, it's all RAI and no RAW.
I guess the Metzin mess kicked in after that. Warcraft 3 began his complete obsession with "hero is corrupted to become main villain, good guys are secretly evil, bad guys are secretly noble savages who were being controlled by sleeping space dragons/demons the whole time", recycling it over and over again.
I remember after Warcraft 3, jokingly saying that Starcraft 2 was going to turn out that the Zerg were secretly good guys being mind controlled by a great evil. Then they actually did it!
I was amazed that Diablo 3 didn't turn out to have the angels secretly evil and the prime evils be good guys who were just forced to be bad by an evil spider.
That kinda happens in the expansion to D3. Malthael was the angel of wisdom, became the angel of death, and tried to wipe out sanctuary.
Turalyon acting as Regent of Stormwind during the events of Shadowlands certainly fits into the "Golden One Claims A Vacant Throne. The Crown of Light Will Bring Only Darkness" prophecy.
But who am I kidding? Next expansion?
They still haven't even released 9.1
I mean, assuming what @MNC Dover put here is accurate, Thrall was in at least 2 duels with Garrosh, and both times he used magic. @milk ducks if your interpretation is correct, then he should have lost his magic after the first time, right? Which makes that outright incorrect based on what has been shown. Regardless of what makes more or less sense.
However I have stopped paying any sort of attention to Warcraft lore a long time ago, in at least some small part because it's a mess. So what do I know, lol.
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Then they deviated from it almost immediately!
That scene would have been a lot better without the tween edgelord dialogue.
Bwonsamdi is about the only good thing they've done for the Warcraft universe since Legion.
LoR needs more trolls. I bet that would have made the difference.
Didn't Illidan like fucking die in Burning Crusade, what
Like I stopped playing in Mists, what the eff kind of emergency glass did they need to break to be like "WE GOTTA RESURRECT ILLIDAN FROM THE DEAD"
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The last 2 pages are all gibberish baby talk trying to ask for a diaper change to me, but I would vote for this bwonsamie guy cuz they sound cool and are a troll maybe?
Also yeah need a real gnome.
Also wtf am I favoring wow heroes? At this point I am desperate.
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