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[Heroes of the Storm] thread: Don't get excited, Dibby; we're just talking.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Oh HotS definitely changes. There used to be new content.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    I think you mean never changes. That's how I read it and I spit out my soup.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    What's the single highest damage ult in the game? My guess was Rag's center hit on Sulfuras Smash (879 at level 10), but Pyroblast does more (1,200 at level 10). Is there something bigger than Pyroblast?

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  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    What's the single highest damage ult in the game? My guess was Rag's center hit on Sulfuras Smash (879 at level 10), but Pyroblast does more (1,200 at level 10). Is there something bigger than Pyroblast?

    Just going off the un-level-adjusted baselines, rocket ride does more, rip tire and prescision strike (nova) are really close, and then you’ve got stuff like planet cracker that will do 1792 baseline if you stand in it for the whole 4 second duration. Dva self destruct is apparently 1100 at close range too, and technically cursed bullet can hit for over 1k on a large enough hp target.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    Zul'jin's Guillotine at 1 HP has something like a 5x multiplier for around 1.5k damage. Plus more with the 20 buzzsaw action.

    E:
    Mal'ganis can also do 99.999% of a really fat tank's HP in one shot in theory.

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    ronzo wrote: »
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    What's the single highest damage ult in the game? My guess was Rag's center hit on Sulfuras Smash (879 at level 10), but Pyroblast does more (1,200 at level 10). Is there something bigger than Pyroblast?

    Just going off the un-level-adjusted baselines, rocket ride does more, rip tire and prescision strike (nova) are really close, and then you’ve got stuff like planet cracker that will do 1792 baseline if you stand in it for the whole 4 second duration. Dva self destruct is apparently 1100 at close range too, and technically cursed bullet can hit for over 1k on a large enough hp target.

    Always go with the crack.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    What's the single highest damage ult in the game? My guess was Rag's center hit on Sulfuras Smash (879 at level 10), but Pyroblast does more (1,200 at level 10). Is there something bigger than Pyroblast?

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I have barely an idea how to play Mal'Ganis
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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    What's the single highest damage ult in the game? My guess was Rag's center hit on Sulfuras Smash (879 at level 10), but Pyroblast does more (1,200 at level 10). Is there something bigger than Pyroblast?

    Are we talking highest single- or multi-target damage? Mephisto's Consume Souls has probably the highest total damage throughput potential per cast than any other ult I can think of off the top of my head.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2021
    It's not an ult but I believe that DW's Q is the single highest DPS ability in the game.

    EDIT: And if you're welling to fudge the numbers a bit, if you get a hero who has an infinite scaling health quest then you could probably argue Mathael's because it's entirely % based.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    edited October 2021
    I was thinking of the highest damage as printed on the ults description. So variable or situational ults don't apply. Just raw, printed numbers done to a single target based on the ults description. I'm fairly sure it's Pyroblast.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Artanis' Purifier Beam likely out-damages Pyro if you're willing to accept a scenario where someone just stands there and eats the damage. But if we're talking about straight-up, no-nonsense, press-R single-target damage, Pyroblast is probably the king.

    But even that's deceptive, because it's also among the easiest ults to mitigate through personal defensives and whatnot. I mean it's just as easy to press Spell Shield as it is to walk out of Purifier Beam.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It's probably planet cracker then.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    I was thinking of the highest damage as printed on the ults description. So variable or situational ults don't apply. Just raw, printed numbers done to a single target based on the ults description. I'm fairly sure it's Pyroblast.
    By those stipulations, I think Pyroblast is probably the biggest number heroic. FWIW, D.Va's Self-Destruct has a bigger single damage number by about 50% (if we're talking max).

    Edit: Nope, Rocket Ride.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Artanis' Purifier Beam likely out-damages Pyro if you're willing to accept a scenario where someone just stands there and eats the damage. But if we're talking about straight-up, no-nonsense, press-R single-target damage, Pyroblast is probably the king.

    But even that's deceptive, because it's also among the easiest ults to mitigate through personal defensives and whatnot. I mean it's just as easy to press Spell Shield as it is to walk out of Purifier Beam.

    I feel like counting damage mitigation is a weird qualifier here lol

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    "Always go with the crack."

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Would cursed bullet on the biggest hp do more than Pyroblast?

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Would cursed bullet on the biggest hp do more than Pyroblast?

    Possibly, but again, this isn't about all the DoT and/or specific scenarios. :)

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Pyro is more than Nova's ults probably yeah?

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Artanis' Purifier Beam likely out-damages Pyro if you're willing to accept a scenario where someone just stands there and eats the damage. But if we're talking about straight-up, no-nonsense, press-R single-target damage, Pyroblast is probably the king.

    But even that's deceptive, because it's also among the easiest ults to mitigate through personal defensives and whatnot. I mean it's just as easy to press Spell Shield as it is to walk out of Purifier Beam.

    You're assuming these people know you can turn spell shield off.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Would cursed bullet on the biggest hp do more than Pyroblast?

    Possibly, but again, this isn't about all the DoT and/or specific scenarios. :)

    This isn't DoT.

    Cursed does 35% of current hp.

    Stitches starts at 3020 hp lv 1. If scaling is 4% then at lv 10 he has 4,228 hp.

    Cursed would do 1,479 dmg to a full hp stitches instantly.


    But anyway, go with cracker. In any choke it will turn a fight easily.

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  • tyrantula22tyrantula22 Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    So things like Mephisto's Consume Souls don't count because it's multi-target? It's still a single R press followed by a 1-time hit of damage, exact same as pyroblast. It just auto-hits 5 targets instead of 1. The damage of the ult is still a set amount of damage just for pressing R (1,785 for Consume Souls).

    Edit: nvm, just saw the followup mentioning single-target.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Also TIL:
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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Also stitches had a diablo skin but it was canned.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Oh wait, ronzo was right. Rocket Ride does more than Pyroblast (even without damage from the mini bombs).

  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Also also, apparently different heroes scale at different rates?

    Stitches' hp scales at 4%, but Chogall scales at 4.5%?

    Huh...

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    MMMig wrote: »
    Also also, apparently different heroes scale at different rates?

    Stitches' hp scales at 4%, but Chogall scales at 4.5%?

    Huh...

    I mean, yeah. Tweaking the individual scaling of champs and their basic stats is a mainstay of MOBA balance.

    Hell, in other MOBAs the fuckin move speed of each of the different heroes is a variable.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited October 2021
    kime wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Artanis' Purifier Beam likely out-damages Pyro if you're willing to accept a scenario where someone just stands there and eats the damage. But if we're talking about straight-up, no-nonsense, press-R single-target damage, Pyroblast is probably the king.

    But even that's deceptive, because it's also among the easiest ults to mitigate through personal defensives and whatnot. I mean it's just as easy to press Spell Shield as it is to walk out of Purifier Beam.

    I feel like counting damage mitigation is a weird qualifier here lol

    I get where you're coming from, but we're already just naturally talking about how other Ults might have comparable, or even greater damage, but maybe it's not realistic to go by the base damage listed because in a real-world scenario, people will mitigate Planet Cracker or Purifier Beam by moving out of it, or Triple Tap by forcing it to collide with terrain. I just think it's weird that we'll take into consideration that kind of mitigation, but not other forms of mitigation like personal defensives.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    MMMig wrote: »
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    MMMig wrote: »
    Would cursed bullet on the biggest hp do more than Pyroblast?

    Possibly, but again, this isn't about all the DoT and/or specific scenarios. :)

    This isn't DoT.

    Cursed does 35% of current hp.

    Stitches starts at 3020 hp lv 1. If scaling is 4% then at lv 10 he has 4,228 hp.

    Cursed would do 1,479 dmg to a full hp stitches instantly.


    But anyway, go with cracker. In any choke it will turn a fight easily.
    Did not read homework instructions. D+

    Edit: ducks is angling for a D+ for himself as well. tsk tsk

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2021
    milk ducks wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Artanis' Purifier Beam likely out-damages Pyro if you're willing to accept a scenario where someone just stands there and eats the damage. But if we're talking about straight-up, no-nonsense, press-R single-target damage, Pyroblast is probably the king.

    But even that's deceptive, because it's also among the easiest ults to mitigate through personal defensives and whatnot. I mean it's just as easy to press Spell Shield as it is to walk out of Purifier Beam.

    I feel like counting damage mitigation is a weird qualifier here lol

    I get where you're coming from, but we're already just naturally talking about how other Ults might have comparable, or even greater damage, but maybe it's not realistic to go by the base damage listed because in a real-world scenario, people will mitigate Planet Cracker or Purifier Beam by moving out of it, or Triple Tap by forcing it to collide with terrain. I just think it's weird that we'll take into consideration that kind of mitigation, but not other forms of mitigation like personal defensives.

    I can see the rationalization. Not every hero has access to personal defensives. Every hero has access to moving slightly out of the way.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Yeah I'm all about the D

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Artanis' Purifier Beam likely out-damages Pyro if you're willing to accept a scenario where someone just stands there and eats the damage. But if we're talking about straight-up, no-nonsense, press-R single-target damage, Pyroblast is probably the king.

    But even that's deceptive, because it's also among the easiest ults to mitigate through personal defensives and whatnot. I mean it's just as easy to press Spell Shield as it is to walk out of Purifier Beam.

    I feel like counting damage mitigation is a weird qualifier here lol

    I get where you're coming from, but we're already just naturally talking about how other Ults might have comparable, or even greater damage, but maybe it's not realistic to go by the base damage listed because in a real-world scenario, people will mitigate Planet Cracker or Purifier Beam by moving out of it, or Triple Tap by forcing it to collide with terrain. I just think it's weird that we'll take into consideration that kind of mitigation, but not other forms of mitigation like personal defensives.

    I can see the rationalization. Not every hero has access to personal defensives. Every hero has access to moving slightly out of the way.
    Except for Munkus's opponents when he plays Deathwing.

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    forty wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Artanis' Purifier Beam likely out-damages Pyro if you're willing to accept a scenario where someone just stands there and eats the damage. But if we're talking about straight-up, no-nonsense, press-R single-target damage, Pyroblast is probably the king.

    But even that's deceptive, because it's also among the easiest ults to mitigate through personal defensives and whatnot. I mean it's just as easy to press Spell Shield as it is to walk out of Purifier Beam.

    I feel like counting damage mitigation is a weird qualifier here lol

    I get where you're coming from, but we're already just naturally talking about how other Ults might have comparable, or even greater damage, but maybe it's not realistic to go by the base damage listed because in a real-world scenario, people will mitigate Planet Cracker or Purifier Beam by moving out of it, or Triple Tap by forcing it to collide with terrain. I just think it's weird that we'll take into consideration that kind of mitigation, but not other forms of mitigation like personal defensives.

    I can see the rationalization. Not every hero has access to personal defensives. Every hero has access to moving slightly out of the way.
    Except for Munkus's opponents when he plays Deathwing.

    Oh yeah, when I play DW i make sure to hack the game and remove their ability to shift slightly out of the way

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Artanis' Purifier Beam likely out-damages Pyro if you're willing to accept a scenario where someone just stands there and eats the damage. But if we're talking about straight-up, no-nonsense, press-R single-target damage, Pyroblast is probably the king.

    But even that's deceptive, because it's also among the easiest ults to mitigate through personal defensives and whatnot. I mean it's just as easy to press Spell Shield as it is to walk out of Purifier Beam.

    I feel like counting damage mitigation is a weird qualifier here lol

    I get where you're coming from, but we're already just naturally talking about how other Ults might have comparable, or even greater damage, but maybe it's not realistic to go by the base damage listed because in a real-world scenario, people will mitigate Planet Cracker or Purifier Beam by moving out of it, or Triple Tap by forcing it to collide with terrain. I just think it's weird that we'll take into consideration that kind of mitigation, but not other forms of mitigation like personal defensives.

    I can see the rationalization. Not every hero has access to personal defensives. Every hero has access to moving slightly out of the way.
    Except for Munkus's opponents when he plays Deathwing.

    Fuck. I'm at work and you beat me to the post. I was going to say --

    Let it be known that on this day, the 13th of October in the Year of Our Lord, 2021: the biggest proponent of Q-build Deathwing, Munkus Beaver, has advocated the strengths of sidestepping void zones in HotS.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    forty wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Artanis' Purifier Beam likely out-damages Pyro if you're willing to accept a scenario where someone just stands there and eats the damage. But if we're talking about straight-up, no-nonsense, press-R single-target damage, Pyroblast is probably the king.

    But even that's deceptive, because it's also among the easiest ults to mitigate through personal defensives and whatnot. I mean it's just as easy to press Spell Shield as it is to walk out of Purifier Beam.

    I feel like counting damage mitigation is a weird qualifier here lol

    I get where you're coming from, but we're already just naturally talking about how other Ults might have comparable, or even greater damage, but maybe it's not realistic to go by the base damage listed because in a real-world scenario, people will mitigate Planet Cracker or Purifier Beam by moving out of it, or Triple Tap by forcing it to collide with terrain. I just think it's weird that we'll take into consideration that kind of mitigation, but not other forms of mitigation like personal defensives.

    I can see the rationalization. Not every hero has access to personal defensives. Every hero has access to moving slightly out of the way.
    Except for Munkus's opponents when he plays Deathwing.

    Fuck. I'm at work and you beat me to the post. I was going to say --

    Let it be known that on this day, the 13th of October in the Year of Our Lord, 2021: the biggest proponent of Q-build Deathwing, Munkus Beaver, has advocated the strengths of sidestepping void zones in HotS.

    Oh, I've always acknowledged it.

    I just also acknowledge that 99% of hots players are potatoes who will just sit in it.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Baked potatoes, as it were.

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    milk ducks wrote: »
    Baked potatoes, as it were.

    How do I make a citizen's arrest.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    One thing is for sure:

    A team grouping together to help soak triple tap from their ally is the most wholesome and thankfully common side-effect of this game.

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    The true ultimate is the friendship we made along the way.

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    Man i got excited with all the posts and now sad again.

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