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[Heroes of the Storm] thread: Don't get excited, Dibby; we're just talking.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Man i got excited with all the posts and now sad again.
    That was foolish.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Welcome to HotS.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited October 2021
    Two questions for the thread --

    #1: Do you think Blizzard will release a new hero by the end of the year?

    And #2: if the answer to the first question ends up being no, and 2021 ends up being the first year that HotS released 0 new content (no maps, no heroes, no original events, etc), will this thread finally be willing accept that the game we love is dead?

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    Two questions for the thread --

    #1: Do you think Blizzard will release a new hero by the end of the year?

    And #2: if the answer to the first question ends up being no, and 2021 ends up being the first year that HotS released 0 new content (no maps, no heroes, no original events, etc), will this thread finally be willing accept that the game we love is dead?

    No, and no.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    This thread accepted the game’s death like three years ago.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    I mean, you can play the game today, and if you compare that to playing the game 4 years ago, it's a pretty similar experience. Whether a game is "dead" or not is, of course, entirely subjective. But I personally don't think measuring the amount of new content is appropriate, it's about your experience when playing it.

    (Is the active population large enough to find games, does it run well enough or has it fallen into a buggy/out-of-date mess, etc)

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Sterica wrote: »
    This thread accepted the game’s death like three years ago.

    The rest of the world accepted the game's death like three years ago. I can assure you that this thread did not, lol.

  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    It's funny because i can click the play button and get a match going same as always.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    Yeah, I mean EverQuest is still getting expansions.

  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    edited October 2021
    You know what's really fucked up?
    Real talk; EverQuest gets updated more than HotS, lol.

    Terror of Luclin comes out in December.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Doing better than Asheron's Call at least.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    There was a time in HotS where the bot that would pilot a disconnected ally could actually play halfway decently (like good enough not to be a massive liability at, say, gold skill level and below). I miss those days. Now a disconnect bot is basically a concussed feeding machine.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    The game is still fun.

    Do I spend a single penny on it? Nope.
    Is the salt real? Oh yeah.

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    It's been a while, but the wife is back to the A-Z HotS art challenge. The next one up is hot!

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    She dropped this into Reddit and has been getting lots of upvotes and praise. Of course, the running joke is drawing Blaze in watercolors. :biggrin: Pretty good for someone who only started doing art a few years ago.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    Malthael would be a fitting final entry for her HotS art challenge, since dedgame.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I don't know if it's a bug or something but both my brother and I have been getting Nexuswatch {overwatch/nexus} dailies several days in a row. Something in the range of 5+

  • DeliciousTacosDeliciousTacos Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    There was a time in HotS where the bot that would pilot a disconnected ally could actually play halfway decently (like good enough not to be a massive liability at, say, gold skill level and below). I miss those days. Now a disconnect bot is basically a concussed feeding machine.

    Yeah what the heck happened here? It used to just play like an AI opponent. Now it either sits at spawn or else someone on the team actually notices and pings the bot to follow, but it just runs in and dies

    forty
  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    There was a time in HotS where the bot that would pilot a disconnected ally could actually play halfway decently (like good enough not to be a massive liability at, say, gold skill level and below). I miss those days. Now a disconnect bot is basically a concussed feeding machine.

    Yeah what the heck happened here? It used to just play like an AI opponent. Now it either sits at spawn or else someone on the team actually notices and pings the bot to follow, but it just runs in and dies

    They change the AI every once in a while, usually it gets worse lol

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    forty wrote: »
    There was a time in HotS where the bot that would pilot a disconnected ally could actually play halfway decently (like good enough not to be a massive liability at, say, gold skill level and below). I miss those days. Now a disconnect bot is basically a concussed feeding machine.

    Yeah what the heck happened here? It used to just play like an AI opponent. Now it either sits at spawn or else someone on the team actually notices and pings the bot to follow, but it just runs in and dies

    I'm pretty sure that the core problem is that they switched each AI from being independent to instead of one centrally managed coordinated team, but this somehow completely broke their ability to function individually and has never been fixed. A very basic "follow the player when pinged" is the only band-aid they've ever put in. Certain bots are still deadly as fuck, like Genji, who holds his dash until you have exactly enough HP to kill. Similar with Ana, who tracks you perfectly and will use her ult to snipe you without fail if you're low on HP. And they'll leap on you with perfect coordination, like when their AIs fuck up at objectives and they all mill around without doing anything until an enemy comes near, whereupon they all attack as one.

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  • KorrorKorror Registered User regular
    I'm remembering a HGC game where one team's ETC player disconnected halfway through and couldn't reconnect so they had to play with an ETC bot. The ETC bot pulled off a game winning mosh and it was hillarious.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    Korror wrote: »
    I'm remembering a HGC game where one team's ETC player disconnected halfway through and couldn't reconnect so they had to play with an ETC bot. The ETC bot pulled off a game winning mosh and it was hillarious.

    There was another I thought with Mura-bot, who was "better" than the Muradin player :D

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Similar with Ana, who tracks you perfectly and will use her ult to snipe you without fail if you're low on HP.
    Yeah, on the off chance she's not dead from blundering into melee range and getting picked.

  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    I remember an HGC game where a Chromie became a bot and sniped the hell out of the enemies with her Q. This was when her W didn't show an impact zone and she was shredding.

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  • CreganTurCreganTur Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    I remember the before-times when Haunted Mines was in the rotation. I still don't understand why that map has never come back. It was fantastic and required a lot of coordination and skill. It was also better than any iteration of Hanamura, the worst map in the game.

    Then there are the good old days when you could buy what you wanted with money directly, before Heroes 2.0 brought in the loot boxes.

    I had the original demonic Tyrael skin, which I thought looked fantastic. Then they changed the art style in a patch to the version we have now, which I hate. I called Blizzard customer service about it to get a refund. Actually talked to a live person and everything. They couldn't refund it, but the did let me have any skin I wanted as compensation. I chose mecha Anubarak.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    CreganTur wrote: »
    I remember the before-times when Haunted Mines was in the rotation. I still don't understand why that map has never come back. It was fantastic and required a lot of coordination and skill. It was also better than any iteration of Hanamura, the worst map in the game.

    Then there are the good old days when you could buy what you wanted with money directly, before Heroes 2.0 brought in the loot boxes.

    I had the original demonic Tyrael skin, which I thought looked fantastic. Then they changed the art style in a patch to the version we have now, which I hate. I called Blizzard customer service about it to get a refund. Actually talked to a live person and everything. They couldn't refund it, but the did let me have any skin I wanted as compensation. I chose mecha Anubarak.

    Now, see, I agree with your about the Tyrael skin, but Haunted Mines?

    This may be the start of a feud. Do you live in the States? I need to start having kids so we can begin generational warfare.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    I mean it's better than Blackhearts

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks High Mucky Muck Big Tits TownRegistered User regular
    You guys are crazy
    Blackheart's is one of my favorite maps

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    I like Blackheart's but I think macro is fun. It does have some steamroll issues I think could be solved by having the turn in spawn for a limited time, but I haven't really done an analysis of how that would warp the map beyond thinking, "'ey, that'd be neat!"

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    milk ducks wrote: »
    You guys are crazy
    Blackheart's is one of my favorite maps

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    My whole thing with Blackheart's is losing the coins when you die and enemies can pick them up. Change that and I'm OK with BHB :D

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    My whole thing with Blackheart's is losing the coins when you die and enemies can pick them up. Change that and I'm OK with BHB :D

    My whole thing with BH is that the most potato person on your team will hoard 40 coins, never turn them in, then die split pushing.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    edited October 2021
    @MNC Dover Watching a Fan match on youtube and his chat has your name pop up with "Hi youtube!" after he did some ridiculous Raynor play. Absolutely wonderful!

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    My whole thing with Blackheart's is losing the coins when you die and enemies can pick them up. Change that and I'm OK with BHB :D

    My whole thing with BH is that the most potato person on your team will hoard 40 coins, never turn them in, then die split pushing.

    Rude! I read this thread, you know

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Whelk wrote: »
    @MNC Dover Watching a Fan match on youtube and his chat has your name pop up with "Hi youtube!" after he did some ridiculous Raynor play. Absolutely wonderful!

    Fan is a great streamer. He consistently answers questions from the chat and provides useful advice, all while playing HotS. It’s pretty crazy.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    My whole thing with Blackheart's is losing the coins when you die and enemies can pick them up. Change that and I'm OK with BHB :D

    My whole thing with BH is that the most potato person on your team will hoard 40 coins, never turn them in, then die split pushing.

    Rude! I read this thread, you know

    Also:

    If you let the potato get all of the coins before you on the map where the coins are the most important things, what does that make you?

    And if the potato on your team has all of the coins on the map where the coins are the most important things, why are they ever left alone to split push in the first place? Wouldn't you be better off babysitting them so they don't die and give up the coins?

    Don't get me wrong - if I'm in a QM game I am more than happy to watch people do dumb shit and die on their own, but that's a choice I make willingly because I, too am doing dumb shit and dying on my own (sometimes even intentionally!). I'm not gonna flame them for doing the thing I am doing.

  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Last night, I tried another ranked game. In draft, I’m showing Diablo and a teammate asks if he can Tank and I play as a Bruiser. I said sure and swapped over to Xul and they took Blaze.

    As the game starts, I said for them to 4-man top while I double soaked mid/bot. He responds with “what’s double soak?”

    Well that’s a red flag, but it’s bronze so ok. I quickly explain it, but the team refuses to go top. As the first obj was spawning, I said to just stall since we’re halfway to 7 and I’ll get us there, then join the fight. Our healer says “you’re annoying Xul”.

    Sigh, Sure enough, they all die and blame me. This continues throughout the match since I’m desperately trying to catch us up on XP and push the lanes out.

    It was close and we could have won, but bronze coordination and skill proved too much to overcome.

    The match ends and Blaze says, “Seriously, you guys are terrible and can all go fuck yourselves.”

    I just…I don’t know.

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  • WhelkWhelk Registered User regular
    I uninstalled because I'm mad at Blizzard, but if you want me to reinstall and duo with you, Dover, I will

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  • SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    MNC Dover wrote: »
    Last night, I tried another ranked game. In draft, I’m showing Diablo and a teammate asks if he can Tank and I play as a Bruiser. I said sure and swapped over to Xul and they took Blaze.

    As the game starts, I said for them to 4-man top while I double soaked mid/bot. He responds with “what’s double soak?”

    Well that’s a red flag, but it’s bronze so ok. I quickly explain it, but the team refuses to go top. As the first obj was spawning, I said to just stall since we’re halfway to 7 and I’ll get us there, then join the fight. Our healer says “you’re annoying Xul”.

    Sigh, Sure enough, they all die and blame me. This continues throughout the match since I’m desperately trying to catch us up on XP and push the lanes out.

    It was close and we could have won, but bronze coordination and skill proved too much to overcome.

    The match ends and Blaze says, “Seriously, you guys are terrible and can all go fuck yourselves.”

    I just…I don’t know.

    I tell this to Kime regularly who plays TLV - even sometimes when a rando recommends it - but heroes that are tied to double soaking have problems when even 1 potato doesn't understand what the comp does.

    I think you should still dbl soak but explaining the comp during the game so rarely works; clear the offlane - go back to mid, if someone is already there you help them clear or look for pick; and then just ping your going back to the offlane on the way out - and mute the first time they say something dumb

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Yeah, I swapped to something like that after 10 and it worked better. Although our healer kept telling me to stop when I'd ping places. Clearly they're so new they don't know they can mute my pings. :)

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    If they understood soaking they wouldn't be Bronze.

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