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The concept of an organization that exists to enforce laws isn't inherently terrible, but the shit we have in this country is one of the worst forms of that in the world. You can't just throw a bit more training and body cameras at it and go "well that's fixed".
Especially when shit like this happens literally on camera, in broad daylight, in front of a crowd of staring, horrified people.
That's not carelessness or lack of professionalism. That's crime-lord "it's about sending a message" shit.
Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of politics and journalism at Morgan State University and a political analyst.
Yeah, the police are basically setting incidentally off the fires and then letting them burn with the complicity of local fire departments. That's how it happens. Then it gets blamed on "rioters."
One of the most prosperous black neighborhoods in the United States was intentionally firebombed and left to burn. I would not be even slightly surprised if the police are intentionally setting fires with flares
guys I get that these (and many!) cops are terrible and murderers, but domestic violence, murders, drunk driving, robbery, etc. etc. etc. are still things, and I somehow doubt they'd all go away if we 'got rid of cops'
Okay, good. I view the DAs unwilling to levy charges against these cops worse than the cops themselves. They're the ones setting the examples that this behavior is acceptable.
often that's done because cops that do get charged rarely get convicted because the public is just as complicit
I...do not want to believe this is true. Fuck.
Cops are a reflection of society. It's why it's so hard to clean up.
Also, when you say attorney, I assume you mean prosecutor.
“Abolish cops huh, but have you thought about... crime?!”
It’s so genuinely frustrating the lack of imagination that keeps us from moving past this one thing
Like yeah, the people calling to abolish the police have thought about what if crime still happens.
Anyway I dunno this all sucks, I hope you’re all safe wherever you are
I mean, the idea of policing laws is pretty fundamental to 99% of the people in this country. It's essentially seen as a foundation of any sort of functioning society that you have a police force and jails to protect the public. It is also something that, on it's face, is not saying what is actually being advocated for.
So, yeah, a huge majority of people are going to need to be educated on what "abolish cops" means, what it would even be replaced by, and why it would be better, before they do anything other than roll their eyes at the statement. And I think that's pretty fair.
In an environment like this forum, it can be said pretty much in stride and not need much elaboration. But in any other setting, it's going to not be taken seriously without discussion. And if you don't want to do that, that's fine, it's not your job to educate. But it's not some crazy lack of intelligence to dismiss out of hand the stated rejection of how you think a society even realistically functions, that has been drilled into you since birth.
Like even on just a basic "Check out this cool shit, aim for the garbage can, woompf" cowboy macho bullshit level it's actually harder for me to believe the cops don't intentionally start fires.
Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of politics and journalism at Morgan State University and a political analyst.
Yeah, the police are basically setting incidentally off the fires and then letting them burn with the complicity of local fire departments. That's how it happens. Then it gets blamed on "rioters."
One of the most prosperous black neighborhoods in the United States was intentionally firebombed and left to burn. I would not be even slightly surprised if the police are intentionally setting fires with flares
Theres been footage of people who are clearly outsiders at the protests/riots
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
edited May 2020
I didn't think it possible, but the fraternal order of police aren't circling the wagons
The concept of an organization that exists to enforce laws isn't inherently terrible, but the shit we have in this country is one of the worst forms of that in the world. You can't just throw a bit more training and body cameras at it and go "well that's fixed".
Especially when shit like this happens literally on camera, in broad daylight, in front of a crowd of staring, horrified people.
That's not carelessness or lack of professionalism. That's crime-lord "it's about sending a message" shit.
They're cowards is why. They see what's happening in Minneapolis and know it could be directed at them too. They're only gutsy when rocks aren't flying for their heads.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
They're cowards is why. They see what's happening in Minneapolis and know it could be directed at them too. They're only gutsy when rocks aren't flying for their heads.
"Circling the wagons" is one of those weird racist phrases that got normalized into colloquial English, a la "low man on the totem pole" or "indian giver" or "___ is my spirit animal" or "on the warpath" or "savage" or "off the reservation" where it's been in use so casually so long that most folks ain't even aware about the shitty origins
That to me reads like a clear sign that the riot is working. If siding with the cops is the bad look here even for the cops, then the image battle is clearly in favor of the protesters.
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Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of politics and journalism at Morgan State University and a political analyst.
Yeah, the police are basically setting incidentally off the fires and then letting them burn with the complicity of local fire departments. That's how it happens. Then it gets blamed on "rioters."
One of the most prosperous black neighborhoods in the United States was intentionally firebombed and left to burn. I would not be even slightly surprised if the police are intentionally setting fires with flares
Theres been footage of people who are clearly outsiders at the protests/riots
cops absolutely put agents provocateur in with protesters, though they claim it's detective work (like that's any better)
"Circling the wagons" is one of those weird racist phrases that got normalized into colloquial English, a la "low man on the totem pole" or "indian giver" or "___ is my spirit animal" or "on the warpath" or "savage" or "off the reservation" where it's been in use so casually so long that most folks ain't even aware about the shitty origins
Okay, good. I view the DAs unwilling to levy charges against these cops worse than the cops themselves. They're the ones setting the examples that this behavior is acceptable.
often that's done because cops that do get charged rarely get convicted because the public is just as complicit
I...do not want to believe this is true. Fuck.
cops are good cowboy heroes who shoot shoot bang bang ha ha the bad guys are dead yaaay
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
police organizations have never once asked "are we the bad guys here" because they don't fucking have to
Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of politics and journalism at Morgan State University and a political analyst.
Yeah, the police are basically setting incidentally off the fires and then letting them burn with the complicity of local fire departments. That's how it happens. Then it gets blamed on "rioters."
One of the most prosperous black neighborhoods in the United States was intentionally firebombed and left to burn. I would not be even slightly surprised if the police are intentionally setting fires with flares
Theres been footage of people who are clearly outsiders at the protests/riots
cops absolutely put agents provocateur in with protesters, though they claim it's detective work (like that's any better)
Also I can absolutely believe shit heads come out out of the woodwork for miles when the fires start because it happens every goddamn time.
“Abolish cops huh, but have you thought about... crime?!”
It’s so genuinely frustrating the lack of imagination that keeps us from moving past this one thing
Like yeah, the people calling to abolish the police have thought about what if crime still happens.
Anyway I dunno this all sucks, I hope you’re all safe wherever you are
I mean, the idea of policing laws is pretty fundamental to 99% of the people in this country. It's essentially seen as a foundation of any sort of functioning society that you have a police force and jails to protect the public. It is also something that, on it's face, is not saying what is actually being advocated for.
So, yeah, a huge majority of people are going to need to be educated on what "abolish cops" means, what it would even be replaced by, and why it would be better, before they do anything other than roll their eyes at the statement. And I think that's pretty fair.
In an environment like this forum, it can be said pretty much in stride and not need much elaboration. But in any other setting, it's going to not be taken seriously without discussion. And if you don't want to do that, that's fine, it's not your job to educate. But it's not some crazy lack of intelligence to dismiss out of hand the stated rejection of how you think a society even realistically functions, that has been drilled into you since birth.
I never questioned anyone’s intelligence, I said imagination. and I don’t lay that lack of imagination at any individual’s feet, it’s a collective problem we have with moving past, as you said, a lifetime of being told this is how it has to be
I mean maybe people don't wanna hear this but I think it will take a literal generation, if not many generations, to demilitarize and decorpratize state apparatuses for law enforcement, prosecution, and correction/incarceration. And part of starting that will be educating Americans about how law enforcement actually operates in the United States, and positive examples of how it can operate elsewhere.
Because like... Gallup polling last year showed that only 15% of Americans were largely distrustful of police institutions, and over half responded as greatly trusting police institutions. Not only that, but as I'm sure most people are aware the trajectory of how law enforcement and criminal justice is handled has been trending worse in regards to how it respects the rights of individuals, be they innocent, accused, or convicted for the past 30 years. Reform movements in the 70s and 80s stalled out and the counter reforms in the 90s and 00s were disastrous.
Systemic change of the scale required to fix law enforcement in the US, which is to say a complete overhaul of the system, will require large overwhelming public approval to counteract the entrenched established interests who are benefiting from the current flaws in the systems. (Namely, law enforcement officials, prison contractors, and prosecutors and politicians who use incarceration statistics to bolster their reelection chances. Or racists/classists who like having less black and/or impoverished people on the streets.) And I'll be honest, I'm not sure how that's done in a world that lives in constant information warfare. I guess I can take a little bit of cynical hope in the clear examples in both contemporary and historical precedent about how quickly and dramatically populations can change opinions and viewpoints, for better and worse.
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One of the most prosperous black neighborhoods in the United States was intentionally firebombed and left to burn. I would not be even slightly surprised if the police are intentionally setting fires with flares
What if your abusive husband is a cop?
Stay safe, folks.
Cops are a reflection of society. It's why it's so hard to clean up.
Also, when you say attorney, I assume you mean prosecutor.
I mean, the idea of policing laws is pretty fundamental to 99% of the people in this country. It's essentially seen as a foundation of any sort of functioning society that you have a police force and jails to protect the public. It is also something that, on it's face, is not saying what is actually being advocated for.
So, yeah, a huge majority of people are going to need to be educated on what "abolish cops" means, what it would even be replaced by, and why it would be better, before they do anything other than roll their eyes at the statement. And I think that's pretty fair.
In an environment like this forum, it can be said pretty much in stride and not need much elaboration. But in any other setting, it's going to not be taken seriously without discussion. And if you don't want to do that, that's fine, it's not your job to educate. But it's not some crazy lack of intelligence to dismiss out of hand the stated rejection of how you think a society even realistically functions, that has been drilled into you since birth.
Theres been footage of people who are clearly outsiders at the protests/riots
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fraternal-order-of-police-condemns-police-killing-of-george-floyd_n_5ecfe818c5b651c29a0f4d53?section=politics&utm_source=main_fb&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1i8qiLNOsF2oaKD9s1VlDlMwnMUHcBn4Aod3T10n-dPJplCTsECalWKHY
That's what's happening now, I suppose.
They're cowards is why. They see what's happening in Minneapolis and know it could be directed at them too. They're only gutsy when rocks aren't flying for their heads.
that has never stopped them in the past
cops absolutely put agents provocateur in with protesters, though they claim it's detective work (like that's any better)
went ahead and edited
cops are good cowboy heroes who shoot shoot bang bang ha ha the bad guys are dead yaaay
Also I can absolutely believe shit heads come out out of the woodwork for miles when the fires start because it happens every goddamn time.
*laughs in RATM*
I never questioned anyone’s intelligence, I said imagination. and I don’t lay that lack of imagination at any individual’s feet, it’s a collective problem we have with moving past, as you said, a lifetime of being told this is how it has to be
Because like... Gallup polling last year showed that only 15% of Americans were largely distrustful of police institutions, and over half responded as greatly trusting police institutions. Not only that, but as I'm sure most people are aware the trajectory of how law enforcement and criminal justice is handled has been trending worse in regards to how it respects the rights of individuals, be they innocent, accused, or convicted for the past 30 years. Reform movements in the 70s and 80s stalled out and the counter reforms in the 90s and 00s were disastrous.
Systemic change of the scale required to fix law enforcement in the US, which is to say a complete overhaul of the system, will require large overwhelming public approval to counteract the entrenched established interests who are benefiting from the current flaws in the systems. (Namely, law enforcement officials, prison contractors, and prosecutors and politicians who use incarceration statistics to bolster their reelection chances. Or racists/classists who like having less black and/or impoverished people on the streets.) And I'll be honest, I'm not sure how that's done in a world that lives in constant information warfare. I guess I can take a little bit of cynical hope in the clear examples in both contemporary and historical precedent about how quickly and dramatically populations can change opinions and viewpoints, for better and worse.
I'm sorry, I don't wanna be a downer.
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edit: I mean, this applies to just about any time nowadays, but still
there is no adequate way for me to respond to this
It's cut off, but apparently it shows a picture of Zootopia.
as part of racial sensitivity training
yes
It is truly wretched on a half dozen levels yes
I'm opting for guttural scream and it's serving me well