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    DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    H0b0man wrote: »
    The concept of an organization that exists to enforce laws isn't inherently terrible, but the shit we have in this country is one of the worst forms of that in the world. You can't just throw a bit more training and body cameras at it and go "well that's fixed".

    Especially when shit like this happens literally on camera, in broad daylight, in front of a crowd of staring, horrified people.

    That's not carelessness or lack of professionalism. That's crime-lord "it's about sending a message" shit.

    Maybe a message should be sent back? 🤔

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Ever notice how it's only after the police start firing on crowds that fires start breaking out?





    Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of politics and journalism at Morgan State University and a political analyst.

    Yeah, the police are basically setting incidentally off the fires and then letting them burn with the complicity of local fire departments. That's how it happens. Then it gets blamed on "rioters."

    One of the most prosperous black neighborhoods in the United States was intentionally firebombed and left to burn. I would not be even slightly surprised if the police are intentionally setting fires with flares

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    guys I get that these (and many!) cops are terrible and murderers, but domestic violence, murders, drunk driving, robbery, etc. etc. etc. are still things, and I somehow doubt they'd all go away if we 'got rid of cops'

    What if your abusive husband is a cop?

    Stay safe, folks.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Okay, good. I view the DAs unwilling to levy charges against these cops worse than the cops themselves. They're the ones setting the examples that this behavior is acceptable.

    often that's done because cops that do get charged rarely get convicted because the public is just as complicit

    I...do not want to believe this is true. Fuck.

    Cops are a reflection of society. It's why it's so hard to clean up.

    Also, when you say attorney, I assume you mean prosecutor.

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    “Abolish cops huh, but have you thought about... crime?!”

    It’s so genuinely frustrating the lack of imagination that keeps us from moving past this one thing

    Like yeah, the people calling to abolish the police have thought about what if crime still happens.

    Anyway I dunno this all sucks, I hope you’re all safe wherever you are

    I mean, the idea of policing laws is pretty fundamental to 99% of the people in this country. It's essentially seen as a foundation of any sort of functioning society that you have a police force and jails to protect the public. It is also something that, on it's face, is not saying what is actually being advocated for.

    So, yeah, a huge majority of people are going to need to be educated on what "abolish cops" means, what it would even be replaced by, and why it would be better, before they do anything other than roll their eyes at the statement. And I think that's pretty fair.

    In an environment like this forum, it can be said pretty much in stride and not need much elaboration. But in any other setting, it's going to not be taken seriously without discussion. And if you don't want to do that, that's fine, it's not your job to educate. But it's not some crazy lack of intelligence to dismiss out of hand the stated rejection of how you think a society even realistically functions, that has been drilled into you since birth.

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Like even on just a basic "Check out this cool shit, aim for the garbage can, woompf" cowboy macho bullshit level it's actually harder for me to believe the cops don't intentionally start fires.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Ever notice how it's only after the police start firing on crowds that fires start breaking out?





    Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of politics and journalism at Morgan State University and a political analyst.

    Yeah, the police are basically setting incidentally off the fires and then letting them burn with the complicity of local fire departments. That's how it happens. Then it gets blamed on "rioters."

    One of the most prosperous black neighborhoods in the United States was intentionally firebombed and left to burn. I would not be even slightly surprised if the police are intentionally setting fires with flares

    Theres been footage of people who are clearly outsiders at the protests/riots

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Darmak wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    H0b0man wrote: »
    The concept of an organization that exists to enforce laws isn't inherently terrible, but the shit we have in this country is one of the worst forms of that in the world. You can't just throw a bit more training and body cameras at it and go "well that's fixed".

    Especially when shit like this happens literally on camera, in broad daylight, in front of a crowd of staring, horrified people.

    That's not carelessness or lack of professionalism. That's crime-lord "it's about sending a message" shit.

    Maybe a message should be sent back? 🤔

    That's what's happening now, I suppose.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »

    They're cowards is why. They see what's happening in Minneapolis and know it could be directed at them too. They're only gutsy when rocks aren't flying for their heads.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Madican wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »

    They're cowards is why. They see what's happening in Minneapolis and know it could be directed at them too. They're only gutsy when rocks aren't flying for their heads.

    that has never stopped them in the past

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    "Circling the wagons" is one of those weird racist phrases that got normalized into colloquial English, a la "low man on the totem pole" or "indian giver" or "___ is my spirit animal" or "on the warpath" or "savage" or "off the reservation" where it's been in use so casually so long that most folks ain't even aware about the shitty origins

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    That to me reads like a clear sign that the riot is working. If siding with the cops is the bad look here even for the cops, then the image battle is clearly in favor of the protesters.

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Ever notice how it's only after the police start firing on crowds that fires start breaking out?





    Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of politics and journalism at Morgan State University and a political analyst.

    Yeah, the police are basically setting incidentally off the fires and then letting them burn with the complicity of local fire departments. That's how it happens. Then it gets blamed on "rioters."

    One of the most prosperous black neighborhoods in the United States was intentionally firebombed and left to burn. I would not be even slightly surprised if the police are intentionally setting fires with flares

    Theres been footage of people who are clearly outsiders at the protests/riots

    cops absolutely put agents provocateur in with protesters, though they claim it's detective work (like that's any better)

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Amy Cooper must be breathing a huge sigh of relief that something took the news from her

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    "Circling the wagons" is one of those weird racist phrases that got normalized into colloquial English, a la "low man on the totem pole" or "indian giver" or "___ is my spirit animal" or "on the warpath" or "savage" or "off the reservation" where it's been in use so casually so long that most folks ain't even aware about the shitty origins

    went ahead and edited

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Okay, good. I view the DAs unwilling to levy charges against these cops worse than the cops themselves. They're the ones setting the examples that this behavior is acceptable.

    often that's done because cops that do get charged rarely get convicted because the public is just as complicit

    I...do not want to believe this is true. Fuck.

    cops are good cowboy heroes who shoot shoot bang bang ha ha the bad guys are dead yaaay

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    police organizations have never once asked "are we the bad guys here" because they don't fucking have to

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Ever notice how it's only after the police start firing on crowds that fires start breaking out?





    Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of politics and journalism at Morgan State University and a political analyst.

    Yeah, the police are basically setting incidentally off the fires and then letting them burn with the complicity of local fire departments. That's how it happens. Then it gets blamed on "rioters."

    One of the most prosperous black neighborhoods in the United States was intentionally firebombed and left to burn. I would not be even slightly surprised if the police are intentionally setting fires with flares

    Theres been footage of people who are clearly outsiders at the protests/riots

    cops absolutely put agents provocateur in with protesters, though they claim it's detective work (like that's any better)

    Also I can absolutely believe shit heads come out out of the woodwork for miles when the fires start because it happens every goddamn time.

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    agoajagoaj Top Tier One FearRegistered User regular
    And they say there is no right way to protest

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    fuck

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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    cursedking wrote: »
    Vann Diras wrote: »
    “Abolish cops huh, but have you thought about... crime?!”

    It’s so genuinely frustrating the lack of imagination that keeps us from moving past this one thing

    Like yeah, the people calling to abolish the police have thought about what if crime still happens.

    Anyway I dunno this all sucks, I hope you’re all safe wherever you are

    I mean, the idea of policing laws is pretty fundamental to 99% of the people in this country. It's essentially seen as a foundation of any sort of functioning society that you have a police force and jails to protect the public. It is also something that, on it's face, is not saying what is actually being advocated for.

    So, yeah, a huge majority of people are going to need to be educated on what "abolish cops" means, what it would even be replaced by, and why it would be better, before they do anything other than roll their eyes at the statement. And I think that's pretty fair.

    In an environment like this forum, it can be said pretty much in stride and not need much elaboration. But in any other setting, it's going to not be taken seriously without discussion. And if you don't want to do that, that's fine, it's not your job to educate. But it's not some crazy lack of intelligence to dismiss out of hand the stated rejection of how you think a society even realistically functions, that has been drilled into you since birth.

    I never questioned anyone’s intelligence, I said imagination. and I don’t lay that lack of imagination at any individual’s feet, it’s a collective problem we have with moving past, as you said, a lifetime of being told this is how it has to be

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    MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Comrade Auto Zone died so the cops had less roof space around the precinct

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    I mean maybe people don't wanna hear this but I think it will take a literal generation, if not many generations, to demilitarize and decorpratize state apparatuses for law enforcement, prosecution, and correction/incarceration. And part of starting that will be educating Americans about how law enforcement actually operates in the United States, and positive examples of how it can operate elsewhere.

    Because like... Gallup polling last year showed that only 15% of Americans were largely distrustful of police institutions, and over half responded as greatly trusting police institutions. Not only that, but as I'm sure most people are aware the trajectory of how law enforcement and criminal justice is handled has been trending worse in regards to how it respects the rights of individuals, be they innocent, accused, or convicted for the past 30 years. Reform movements in the 70s and 80s stalled out and the counter reforms in the 90s and 00s were disastrous.

    Systemic change of the scale required to fix law enforcement in the US, which is to say a complete overhaul of the system, will require large overwhelming public approval to counteract the entrenched established interests who are benefiting from the current flaws in the systems. (Namely, law enforcement officials, prison contractors, and prosecutors and politicians who use incarceration statistics to bolster their reelection chances. Or racists/classists who like having less black and/or impoverished people on the streets.) And I'll be honest, I'm not sure how that's done in a world that lives in constant information warfare. I guess I can take a little bit of cynical hope in the clear examples in both contemporary and historical precedent about how quickly and dramatically populations can change opinions and viewpoints, for better and worse.

    I'm sorry, I don't wanna be a downer.

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    see317see317 Registered User regular

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    MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    The people who trust police also trust that police will not arrest them or people like them.

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    HeadCreepsHeadCreeps NOW IS THE TIME FOR DRINKING! Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    This is one of those times when I know EXACTLY what I'm going to find on Twitter and I decide to log on anyway

    edit: I mean, this applies to just about any time nowadays, but still

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »

    there is no adequate way for me to respond to this

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited May 2020
    they were shown.... zootopia

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    AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    milski wrote: »

    It's cut off, but apparently it shows a picture of Zootopia.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    they were shown.... zootopia

    as part of racial sensitivity training

    yes

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    milski wrote: »

    there is no adequate way for me to respond to this

    It is truly wretched on a half dozen levels yes

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    milski wrote: »

    there is no adequate way for me to respond to this

    I'm opting for guttural scream and it's serving me well

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