The "classic race" heritage armor is tied to rep with the faction. You have to be exalted with your home city in order to activate the quest for the heritage armor. That means if you're a Blood Elf, you have to be exalted with Silvermoon. Dwarves need to be exalted with Ironforge, and so forth. Oh and one other important note: there are still a handful of classic races that have not yet received their heritage armor. Humans, Night Elves, Orcs, Forsaken, and Pandaren. Those 5 races do not have heritage armor yet.
Being a boost only matters to the new allied races. Boosted allied races are not eligible for unlocking the heritage armor for those allied races.
I'm glad to see they completely scrapped that priest ability that gave primary resources. It was too good. That was one of those abilities that would have been mandatory for raiding guilds. The new ability still looks strong, but not so strong as to be mandatory.
I just hope this isn't the end of significant changes to certain classes and abilities. My understanding is that rogue still has at least one ability in need of a complete rework, and a few of the other ones need some pretty big touchups. I'm not in the beta, so I've only seen video coverage from Preach, Kelani, Soul, and a few others that I follow, but I think maybe it's mage who has 4 incredibly lackluster covenant choices, to the point that none of them are very exciting or anything to write home about.
I'm pretty well settled on Mistweaver monk as my main at this point, but I still love the Resto Shaman kit. I just wish they'd tune it up a bit, because Resto shaman has been pretty weak for most of BfA, and also they might have the very worst mastery in the entire game. I want to see Deep Healing completely cut and replaced with something new.
Yay holy is not so boned anymore I have the power word shield back and attacks
At least they learned why no one wanted to heal to level holy in bfa
I leveled as Holy in BfA. Took 15 mins to kill a mob, but never died once
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Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
Holy has a ton of dps abilities now with the imprinting though. Since almost all the shadow damage stuff as available to them. They edited holy fire too to fit in with all the new damage spells. Honestly holy priest dps is close to some full fledged dps specs in options.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
I am
unreasonably
happy that the spellbook is back to being a chapter of class spells and 3 chapters of spec spells
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
I didn't know Blizzard was expanding on the character customization stuff in the next expansion. The game needed these options years ago, damn they look good.
I mean I knew about the Undead body type changes RE: bones showing, but that was it. Everything else I'm seeing in this PTR video is a surprise to me.
is there a mmo champ post or tl;dr of the changes? hard to watch videos at work
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
edited August 2020
I'm gonna throw this behind a spoiler tag because some people want the surprise still (at least one of my friends did).
- Most features has been decoupled from face options (eye color, tusks, etc).
- Plenty of the races get body tattoo options.
- It looks like every race has a hairstyle or two that is unique to it.
- Facial hair options have separated types of beards from types of mustaches.
- Also there's more mustache options now.
- Orcs also get war paint options which look odd when combined with the body tattoos.
- Night Elves have a check box to have leaves in their hair (you can change the color of them too, separate from the hair itself).
- Undead bodies can be whole, or boney, or as they've been this whole time (I think this has been the longest known detail).
- Goblin females have a specific option to change their chin shape.
- Blood Elf females and Draenei males get jewelry options (with the former getting way more), and a couple color options for said jewelry.
- Worgen I think can finally customize their human form separate from their beastly form.
- Dwarves have had earring options expanded to have some Wildhammer themed stuff (feathers basically).
- Night Elves have options for types of ears and types of eyebrows.
- On the character creation screen when picking a class, they will assume a combat stance and place a few quick animations.
- Draenei females are getting very little with these changes, literally a tail length option and a couple new horn styles.
- Tauren get options for ho their hair looks at the front, like above the eyes.
Edit - Forgot one.
Henroid on
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
A big one I don't see there is that anyone can change their gender at the barber, now. It's not a real money service any longer.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
i didn't realize the game was so close to releasing
i am absolutely allergic to BFA, I cannot stand it no matter how hard I try
but I am interested to see if they have fixed some of the details of the game in shadowlands... i wish I could try the beta out
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
Shadowlands might join MOP and Legion as the expansions I skip and join right at the end when the next expansion is on the brink of coming out. I wanted to kill Sylvanas in BFA and didn't get to, I'm not paying a lot of money to do it when she isn't even the big bad anymore. It'll be something else.
At the end, Blizzard is gonna do a big "gotcha" where we find out that her plan was to save Azeroth all along, and really she's the hero, even if she had to take the unsavory path to get there. In other words, what I'm saying is that Blizzard is going to attempt to pull a "Watchmen" on us. But since it will be written by Christie ImAHack Golden, it won't be good.
Sylvanas is never going to be a raid boss, and she is never truly going to be the big bad either.
Lucascraft on
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
At the end, Blizzard is gonna do a big "gotcha" where we find out that her plan was to save Azeroth all along, and really she's the hero, even if she had to take the unsavory path to get there. In other words, what I'm saying is that Blizzard is going to attempt to pull a "Watchmen" on us. But since it will be written by Christie ImAHack Golden, it won't be good.
Sylvanas is never going to be a raid boss, and she is never truly going to be the big bad either.
Throughout this expansion the writers have been giving interviews saying that she was actually never good, so them going the other way with Shadowlands would be some impressively bad writing. Like, Birdemic or The Room levels of "is this meant to be bad or are they actually serious with this shit, oh my god they're serious".
At the end, Blizzard is gonna do a big "gotcha" where we find out that her plan was to save Azeroth all along, and really she's the hero, even if she had to take the unsavory path to get there. In other words, what I'm saying is that Blizzard is going to attempt to pull a "Watchmen" on us. But since it will be written by Christie ImAHack Golden, it won't be good.
Sylvanas is never going to be a raid boss, and she is never truly going to be the big bad either.
Time to dig this back up.
It was created as a meme prediction for the end of BfA but given we still haven't wrapped up Sylvanas' storyline it's still up in the air as a potential ending.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
The thing is, Blizzard is 100% aware of conversations and memes that circle their games. If anything, they may go "let's do that unironically to piss people off." They did it in Diablo 3 when people flipped out about a rainbow showing up against a waterfall or some shit.
Oddly I think it's a bug but if I switch to the fresh or none boney look on my warlock I look like a well done steak tone wise
I just took my warlock and rogue to test out how they play now as Affliction doesn't feel like you are doing nothing and rogues are odd as I ran to Subtlety on my rogues after combat went the poop route
They took away nightblade but gave back poisons and other things so fair enough
I am kind of disappointed they stuck with the BFA Ui. I know when classic came back people in hindsight saw the problems that talent system had but pointed out the cata onward system created whole new problems
So I heard the rumor and felt they were going to go back to the classic talent system with a better ideal in it
Just the news of late how the employees of blizzard are sick of various things does help explain why WoD one have felt half done
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
I'm gonna throw this behind a spoiler tag because some people want the surprise still (at least one of my friends did).
- Most features has been decoupled from face options (eye color, tusks, etc).
- Plenty of the races get body tattoo options.
- It looks like every race has a hairstyle or two that is unique to it.
- Facial hair options have separated types of beards from types of mustaches.
- Also there's more mustache options now.
- Orcs also get war paint options which look odd when combined with the body tattoos.
- Night Elves have a check box to have leaves in their hair (you can change the color of them too, separate from the hair itself).
- Undead bodies can be whole, or boney, or as they've been this whole time (I think this has been the longest known detail).
- Goblin females have a specific option to change their chin shape.
- Blood Elf females and Draenei males get jewelry options (with the former getting way more), and a couple color options for said jewelry.
- Worgen I think can finally customize their human form separate from their beastly form.
- Dwarves have had earring options expanded to have some Wildhammer themed stuff (feathers basically).
- Night Elves have options for types of ears and types of eyebrows.
- On the character creation screen when picking a class, they will assume a combat stance and place a few quick animations.
- Draenei females are getting very little with these changes, literally a tail length option and a couple new horn styles.
- Tauren get options for ho their hair looks at the front, like above the eyes.
Edit - Forgot one.
Looking at the dressing room tool on the beta version of Wowhead, I have a minor addition. It seems weird to spoiler, but
similar to the goblin female the human woman has 3 face shapes now as well (sharp features, rounded, and heart-shaped). I imagine there will be other race/gender combos with this kind of option. Also quite a lot of earring and necklace options (some of the necklaces are drawn over your gear). Oh, and the option to choose whether they are wearing makeup and what color (it's mainly the eyeshadow), which is sort of wasted on the Death Knight's glowing eyes.
Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
void elves and blood elves can both now choose high elf eyes, and void elves can also choose to have blood elf skin tones.
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
Oh yeah, the video I saw didn't have access to the allied races and what changes may have come their way. Void Elves I remember hearing about being a thing though, yes.
Sylvanas being a villain is so predictable and boring, but there is a clear path for her to that point. It’s just that having her drop the mask in a fucking faction war was really short-sighted because it derailed the war and made BFA super pointless.
Subservience to Jailer Sugar Daddy is ridiculously out of character, although people really need to stop being mad that she’s OP or whatever. It’s actually pretty decently mapped out within that specific context.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
I feel like Sylvanas was pretty much on a railroad to villainy ever since the Cataclysm stuff about Hillsbrad Foothills and the invasion of Stromgarde. Prior to that there was reasonable narrative potential for her staying an anti-hero extremist. But I just couldn't see how a leader who moved forward with what the Forsaken were doing in Hillsbrad (instead of using Putress' and Varimathras' actions as a way to terminate the blight project while she still had plausible deniability) and actively invading lands held by their original living owners, killing then raising them, could ever be reconciled with the non-villainous tragic take on her. Blizzard condemned her to becoming a 'killable' boss 10 years ago, they've just made it a long strange trip.
I feel like Sylvanas was pretty much on a railroad to villainy ever since the Cataclysm stuff about Hillsbrad Foothills and the invasion of Stromgarde. Prior to that there was reasonable narrative potential for her staying an anti-hero extremist. But I just couldn't see how a leader who moved forward with what the Forsaken were doing in Hillsbrad (instead of using Putress' and Varimathras' actions as a way to terminate the blight project while she still had plausible deniability) and actively invading lands held by their original living owners, killing then raising them, could ever be reconciled with the non-villainous tragic take on her. Blizzard condemned her to becoming a 'killable' boss 10 years ago, they've just made it a long strange trip.
That also intertwined with them not settling on whether or not Garrosh would be a shitlord or not, since part of the Hillsbrad storyline was "Good" Garrosh being pissed at her. If it were "Bad" Garrosh, he would have been like "fuck yeah, if that makes the Horde stronger and the Alliance weaker go ahead, kill 'em all"
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HenroidMexican kicked from Immigration ThreadCentrism is Racism :3Registered Userregular
Sylvanas being a villain is a good thing. I'm not worried about the predictability of it. Blizzard has been really bad about writing villains and they've had the best one sitting under their noses for years untapped. What was stupid was how they were trying to make her a hero or anti-hero for a while, which was an image that was running as far as Legion's intro. It would've been one thing if they were making it a point to show she was being subversive the whole time, but they weren't, so I'm sure in the future we'll be treated to the usual backpeddling and retcon to take her consistently from The Frozen Throne to her burning down the tree.
Which, as far as villainous acts go, was a good one writing-wise. Because a lot of people (especially me) were emotionally invested in that moment. I still want her put on a pile of wood and burned as retribution.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited August 2020
Yeah, I feel that it could've been good no matter which way they went with her. But I think they made a pretty irrevocable choice with Cataclysm and it would be stupid to try to back out of it at any time after that. How well they've executed on Sylvanas' villainy is a separate issue, but I don't mind them going down that track.
They backed off from their choices on Garrosh after Cata, so is irrelevant. BFA killed a lot of my investment on the lore, so whatever. People are mad about the tree, etc. I'm more invested on when Monk is going to stop being a buggy mess.
And news about the PTR are about how people don't like the zombie event because turns out that being dead all the time and having quest NPCs killed is annoying. Almost like the same thing happened on the original zombie event. Or all the complaints about PvP servers before War Mode was implemented.
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Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
Yeah but it will only be temporary. People will be bored of prepatch within a week, might as well have a distraction briefly before it.
I feel like they were never trying to make Sylvanus some kind of anti hero. I think they just wanted what she truly was doing to be a secret, and so having her play the part of edgy leader of the horde was the way to do that for them. The thing about a characters true motives being directly tied to a whole expansions name and direction kind of means you can’t even hint at it if you want to keep the expansion a secret. Which they always do. That is likely the biggest hamstring in her storytelling. It is why that one event with her and greymane during legion leveling made little sense and was never expanded upon.
I never get offended by wow story cause I treat it like what it is. A Saturday morning cartoon plot line at best. Always has been.
Wrath is when the WoW writing’s lack of quality really showed.
Ignore the overarching plot and enjoy smaller stories like people telling tall tales about how they punched Deathwing or a hunter’s neverending quest to murder every living animal.
I never get offended by wow story cause I treat it like what it is. A Saturday morning cartoon plot line at best. Always has been.
Eh, some Saturday morning cartoon stories were way better than WoW - Conan the Adventurer for example had a great story and unlike most of its contemporaries had a real, solid conclusion and not "continue until the toys stop selling".
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Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
I mean, the term “Saturday morning cartoon” just kind of carries a general meaning I think. I in no way know how good or bad all Saturday morning cartoons actually are.
I'm still of the opinion that WoW officially ended with Legion.
Sargeras has long been the big-bad of the entire Warcraft Universe. He was just a bit of worldbuilding cosmology in the pages of the WC1 manual, brought more into focus in WC2 with the lore of Medivh, and all of the Guardian of Tirisfall stuff, and cemented as the canonical top villain during WC3.
And we completed that story in Legion.
What we have now is just further serialization of a story that has already ended. BfA and Shadowlands are just a desperate attempt to keep something going that is clearly over.
Wrath is when the WoW writing’s lack of quality really showed.
Ignore the overarching plot and enjoy smaller stories like people telling tall tales about how they punched Deathwing or a hunter’s neverending quest to murder every living animal.
Really I know 40k and Warhammer/AOS have a lore bible. SO does Star trek {they made the 5 year war lore to fix a problem}
But I am surprised that WoW did not sit down in how people were doing a WTF during Cata they did not make one. I feel certain characters have lore bibles but overall there is none. During legion there was no big bad burning legion more of an afternoon rain of a legion
WoD was fan fiction we had to endure
I know of little of the lore of BFA because I noped out of it at the start so I still don't understand why these was a bigger threat then the legion
BfA had no cohesive story. 8.0 was about exploding magic rocks that the factions were willing to go to war over. 8.1 continued the war but the magic rocks didn't really seem to matter anymore. 8.2 abandoned the war completely and decided we needed to fight Azshara for some reason. And then 8.3 gave us the Black Empire, Ny'alotha, and N'Zoth, and we have completely forgotten about the explodey rocks, the war, and even Azshara was forgotten. The "story" if you can even call it that, is fragmented, makes no sense, and has no resolution to any of the plots it introduced.
BFA really feels like they had some interesting local stories (kul tirans lost without leadership, Zandalari basically fighting a losing battle against themselves) and then shoe horned in some dumb horde vs alliance bullshit to go with it.
Like I loved the Jayna story dealing with her family, and the who doesn't love Bwomsamdi, but everything that isn't local feels dumb and tacked on.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
BfA had no cohesive story. 8.0 was about exploding magic rocks that the factions were willing to go to war over. 8.1 continued the war but the magic rocks didn't really seem to matter anymore. 8.2 abandoned the war completely and decided we needed to fight Azshara for some reason. And then 8.3 gave us the Black Empire, Ny'alotha, and N'Zoth, and we have completely forgotten about the explodey rocks, the war, and even Azshara was forgotten. The "story" if you can even call it that, is fragmented, makes no sense, and has no resolution to any of the plots it introduced.
8.2 dealing with Azshara is because we are "trapped" on the ocean seafloor until we do. The fact there is portals and hearthstones in a convenience to this being a videogame, by lore we cleared the raid that afternoon.
Azshara is in 8.3, part of one of the boss fights.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
Logged into the PTR a bit and man, Enhancement feels a million times better. Cannot wait for that to hit live. I think Elemental feels smoother, too.
I even like the new Ret more but Ret's way too immobile for my tastes.
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Being a boost only matters to the new allied races. Boosted allied races are not eligible for unlocking the heritage armor for those allied races.
I just hope this isn't the end of significant changes to certain classes and abilities. My understanding is that rogue still has at least one ability in need of a complete rework, and a few of the other ones need some pretty big touchups. I'm not in the beta, so I've only seen video coverage from Preach, Kelani, Soul, and a few others that I follow, but I think maybe it's mage who has 4 incredibly lackluster covenant choices, to the point that none of them are very exciting or anything to write home about.
I'm pretty well settled on Mistweaver monk as my main at this point, but I still love the Resto Shaman kit. I just wish they'd tune it up a bit, because Resto shaman has been pretty weak for most of BfA, and also they might have the very worst mastery in the entire game. I want to see Deep Healing completely cut and replaced with something new.
I leveled as Holy in BfA. Took 15 mins to kill a mob, but never died once
unreasonably
happy that the spellbook is back to being a chapter of class spells and 3 chapters of spec spells
I mean I knew about the Undead body type changes RE: bones showing, but that was it. Everything else I'm seeing in this PTR video is a surprise to me.
- Plenty of the races get body tattoo options.
- It looks like every race has a hairstyle or two that is unique to it.
- Facial hair options have separated types of beards from types of mustaches.
- Also there's more mustache options now.
- Orcs also get war paint options which look odd when combined with the body tattoos.
- Night Elves have a check box to have leaves in their hair (you can change the color of them too, separate from the hair itself).
- Undead bodies can be whole, or boney, or as they've been this whole time (I think this has been the longest known detail).
- Goblin females have a specific option to change their chin shape.
- Blood Elf females and Draenei males get jewelry options (with the former getting way more), and a couple color options for said jewelry.
- Worgen I think can finally customize their human form separate from their beastly form.
- Dwarves have had earring options expanded to have some Wildhammer themed stuff (feathers basically).
- Night Elves have options for types of ears and types of eyebrows.
- On the character creation screen when picking a class, they will assume a combat stance and place a few quick animations.
- Draenei females are getting very little with these changes, literally a tail length option and a couple new horn styles.
- Tauren get options for ho their hair looks at the front, like above the eyes.
i am absolutely allergic to BFA, I cannot stand it no matter how hard I try
but I am interested to see if they have fixed some of the details of the game in shadowlands... i wish I could try the beta out
At the end, Blizzard is gonna do a big "gotcha" where we find out that her plan was to save Azeroth all along, and really she's the hero, even if she had to take the unsavory path to get there. In other words, what I'm saying is that Blizzard is going to attempt to pull a "Watchmen" on us. But since it will be written by Christie ImAHack Golden, it won't be good.
Sylvanas is never going to be a raid boss, and she is never truly going to be the big bad either.
Throughout this expansion the writers have been giving interviews saying that she was actually never good, so them going the other way with Shadowlands would be some impressively bad writing. Like, Birdemic or The Room levels of "is this meant to be bad or are they actually serious with this shit, oh my god they're serious".
Time to dig this back up.
It was created as a meme prediction for the end of BfA but given we still haven't wrapped up Sylvanas' storyline it's still up in the air as a potential ending.
I just took my warlock and rogue to test out how they play now as Affliction doesn't feel like you are doing nothing and rogues are odd as I ran to Subtlety on my rogues after combat went the poop route
They took away nightblade but gave back poisons and other things so fair enough
I am kind of disappointed they stuck with the BFA Ui. I know when classic came back people in hindsight saw the problems that talent system had but pointed out the cata onward system created whole new problems
So I heard the rumor and felt they were going to go back to the classic talent system with a better ideal in it
Just the news of late how the employees of blizzard are sick of various things does help explain why WoD one have felt half done
Looking at the dressing room tool on the beta version of Wowhead, I have a minor addition. It seems weird to spoiler, but
pleasepaypreacher.net
Subservience to Jailer Sugar Daddy is ridiculously out of character, although people really need to stop being mad that she’s OP or whatever. It’s actually pretty decently mapped out within that specific context.
That also intertwined with them not settling on whether or not Garrosh would be a shitlord or not, since part of the Hillsbrad storyline was "Good" Garrosh being pissed at her. If it were "Bad" Garrosh, he would have been like "fuck yeah, if that makes the Horde stronger and the Alliance weaker go ahead, kill 'em all"
Which, as far as villainous acts go, was a good one writing-wise. Because a lot of people (especially me) were emotionally invested in that moment. I still want her put on a pile of wood and burned as retribution.
And news about the PTR are about how people don't like the zombie event because turns out that being dead all the time and having quest NPCs killed is annoying. Almost like the same thing happened on the original zombie event. Or all the complaints about PvP servers before War Mode was implemented.
I feel like they were never trying to make Sylvanus some kind of anti hero. I think they just wanted what she truly was doing to be a secret, and so having her play the part of edgy leader of the horde was the way to do that for them. The thing about a characters true motives being directly tied to a whole expansions name and direction kind of means you can’t even hint at it if you want to keep the expansion a secret. Which they always do. That is likely the biggest hamstring in her storytelling. It is why that one event with her and greymane during legion leveling made little sense and was never expanded upon.
I never get offended by wow story cause I treat it like what it is. A Saturday morning cartoon plot line at best. Always has been.
Ignore the overarching plot and enjoy smaller stories like people telling tall tales about how they punched Deathwing or a hunter’s neverending quest to murder every living animal.
Eh, some Saturday morning cartoon stories were way better than WoW - Conan the Adventurer for example had a great story and unlike most of its contemporaries had a real, solid conclusion and not "continue until the toys stop selling".
Sargeras has long been the big-bad of the entire Warcraft Universe. He was just a bit of worldbuilding cosmology in the pages of the WC1 manual, brought more into focus in WC2 with the lore of Medivh, and all of the Guardian of Tirisfall stuff, and cemented as the canonical top villain during WC3.
And we completed that story in Legion.
What we have now is just further serialization of a story that has already ended. BfA and Shadowlands are just a desperate attempt to keep something going that is clearly over.
Really I know 40k and Warhammer/AOS have a lore bible. SO does Star trek {they made the 5 year war lore to fix a problem}
But I am surprised that WoW did not sit down in how people were doing a WTF during Cata they did not make one. I feel certain characters have lore bibles but overall there is none. During legion there was no big bad burning legion more of an afternoon rain of a legion
WoD was fan fiction we had to endure
I know of little of the lore of BFA because I noped out of it at the start so I still don't understand why these was a bigger threat then the legion
Nobody cares anymore buddy
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Like I loved the Jayna story dealing with her family, and the who doesn't love Bwomsamdi, but everything that isn't local feels dumb and tacked on.
pleasepaypreacher.net
8.2 dealing with Azshara is because we are "trapped" on the ocean seafloor until we do. The fact there is portals and hearthstones in a convenience to this being a videogame, by lore we cleared the raid that afternoon.
Azshara is in 8.3, part of one of the boss fights.
I even like the new Ret more but Ret's way too immobile for my tastes.