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Summer 2020 [TV]: Revenge of the Bachelor

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    shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    The writers could have defeated Zutara shippers by ever implying that Aang and Katara had mutual romantic affections. Instead of doing the opposite of that and pairing Zuko and Katara together more and more frequently in more and more emotional scenarios.
    There are like

    Multiple episodes with emotional climaxes involving Aang and Katara acknowledging their growing feelings for each other

    The Secret Tunnel episode even has the fuckin "...maybe we should kiss?" In the dying torchlight moment

    The show was

    INCREDIBLY clear the two were into each other

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    Yes, when Zuko is the team's enemy, it seems like Katara and Aang could naturally develop. Then these things happen:
    1) Aang lets his romantic feelings for Katara threaten his Avatar training. This is explicitly framed as a mistake that will have consequences and the best thing to do would have been to not pursue those feelings. Sure enough, Aang pretty much dies as a direct result of this mistake.
    2) Zuko and Katara bond in the caves over their moms. Zuko's betrayal of Katara afterwards is framed as just as big as his betrayal of Iroh. This scene is VERY similar to what Last Jedi did later on.
    3) When Aang approaches Katara with his feelings, she explicitly says she's never felt that way about him, and there was another time where Katara felt trapped mothering the team (including Aang). It feels very much like Katara sees him as more of a younger brother.
    4) The show's writers shit on Aang x Katara and play up Zutara in Ember Island Players.
    5) Katara's most emotionally vulnerable moments late in the series are in Zuko's presence, not Aang's. Then in the finale, the entire climax teams up Zuko and Katara. They depend on each other to save the day and their lives. The other members of the team split up so that Sakka is with his girlfriend. Aang and Katara's kiss is like... a post script almost. "And then this happened."

    I'm not saying the writers favored Zutara or intended it, necessarily. I'm saying they left a huge glowing arrow in the script for that idea to permeate the audience and steered deeply into the skid rather than out of it when they noticed. I wondered what all the shipping was about through seasons 1 and 2, but by the end of 2 and the entire 3 I was like, "Oh... yeah i see it."

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    PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    The show was very clear that Aang was into Katara.
    It wasn't until the last few episodes that I got the impression the feeling was reciprocated

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    The biggest glowing arrow was on Aang's head imo

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    JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    Eh, my read of it was always that Katarra was somewhat intentionally ignoring her feelings. Her role in the group was absolutely the "mom" and a lot of her time on screen is trying to keep everyone focused, motivated and moving forward towards their goal. And when the stakes are "fire wielding kung-fu Hitler becomes unstoppable ruler of the world" you don't really have a lot of time to think about like, crushes.

    As for the later pairings with her and Zhuko I always felt like that was more about contrasting their personal growth. Zhuko represented what Katarra absolutely despised and he spent the better part of a year hunting them down relentlessly. Having her eventually become his friend and fight beside him is a big deal. On the flip side, it shows his humility and willingness to try and atone for his sins.

    The relationships in the show are really well fleshed out and intricate for something that is ostensibly targeted at young children.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Sprout wrote: »
    I remember when one of Buffy’s writers got on that show’s Usenet group and compared Spike/Buffy shippers to serial killer groupies. That was fun.

    Seems like a fair call to me.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    I'm currently watching ATLA for the first time, near the end of the first season now, and Katara/Aang is so heavily telegraphed

    It's a boring and obvious choice, and Aang is a garbage child who doesn't deserve to get anything that he wants, but it is the clearest thing in the world that is the direction they are going

    They make some early plays at Katara not being interested in him, but that's pretty much done by the point I'm at

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    The show was very clear that Aang was into Katara.
    It wasn't until the last few episodes that I got the impression the feeling was reciprocated
    What about the episode where Katara is told HEY YOU'RE GONNA FALL IN LOVE WITH AND MARRY A VERY POWERFUL BENDER

    And later Sokka goes

    "Wow, sometimes I forget how powerful a bender that kid is"

    And Katara goes

    "....yeah. yeah he is." And smiles to herself after seeing Aang in a new light

    Or when she comes up with the idea for then to kiss in the tunnel and is blushing and smiling about it

    These are both in the first two seasons! It is super clear they both dig each other!

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    I'm currently watching ATLA for the first time, near the end of the first season now, and Katara/Aang is so heavily telegraphed

    It's a boring and obvious choice, and Aang is a garbage child who doesn't deserve to get anything that he wants, but it is the clearest thing in the world that is the direction they are going

    They make some early plays at Katara not being interested in him, but that's pretty much done by the point I'm at

    what

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    The biggest glowing arrow was on Aang's head imo

    Kinda incredible the Fire Nation spent so long looking for him

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    I can't say I was a big fan of Aang as a character.

    I liked Toph so much more.

    And, obviously, I kept watching for more Uncle Iroh.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    What in the fuck

    Aang is a sweet boy given a terrible burden and trying to find a way to help as many people as he can without betraying his morals

    Love An Aang

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    JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Psykoma wrote: »
    The show was very clear that Aang was into Katara.
    It wasn't until the last few episodes that I got the impression the feeling was reciprocated
    What about the episode where Katara is told HEY YOU'RE GONNA FALL IN LOVE WITH AND MARRY A VERY POWERFUL BENDER

    And later Sokka goes

    "Wow, sometimes I forget how powerful a bender that kid is"

    And Katara goes

    "....yeah. yeah he is." And smiles to herself after seeing Aang in a new light

    Or when she comes up with the idea for then to kiss in the tunnel and is blushing and smiling about it

    These are both in the first two seasons! It is super clear they both dig each other!

    my interpretation was always that katara just didn't really want a relationship because she saw it as a form o weakness/subservience and something women were obligated to do

    it took her several seasons to understand that it was her choice and that aang and her could just be their best selves together

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    aang is a lovable dipshit child who watched his entire people eradicated and was frozen in ice only to be awoken and informed he now has to personally overthrow a despot

    while still being a child

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    my TLA character tier list would be like

    S: Toph

    A: Everyone Else

    it's a very good show with a great cast and I like all of them!

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    anybody who doesn't like toph the best is a fucking narc

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    edited June 2020
    the only criticism of her I can think of is that she doesn't have a lot of conflict going on, but I don't really care, it's fine to have one character who's not complicated, especially when she's that much fun

    Shorty on
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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    Lotta open spoiler talk for a show that many people are now watching for the first time

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    I'm currently watching ATLA for the first time, near the end of the first season now, and Katara/Aang is so heavily telegraphed

    It's a boring and obvious choice, and Aang is a garbage child who doesn't deserve to get anything that he wants, but it is the clearest thing in the world that is the direction they are going

    They make some early plays at Katara not being interested in him, but that's pretty much done by the point I'm at

    what

    I hate him so much

    He embodies a type of goofy children's show protagonist that I can't stand

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    I started an ATLA rewatch yesterday and I didn't get very far before I realized I wasn't paying much attention. The early episodes of the show have always been a barrier for me, though. I didn't remember how much of the early going was "sokka has to learn that girls are strong, too!"

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    the first half of the first season is the weakest part of the show by a pretty wide margin, yeah

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    the first half of the first season is the weakest part of the show by a pretty wide margin, yeah

    This is absolutely true

    The crazy thing about it though?

    Still kinda rules! Still way into it on this rewatch!

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    ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    yeah the only episode I actively dislike is the great divide

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    never dienever die Registered User regular
    the only character I dislike in the beginning is Sokka, but he learns his lessons pretty quick and grows past his shittier behavior.

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    BedigunzBedigunz Registered User regular
    I have a special fondness for Avatar because it came out when I was in college and during that time, I would volunteer at the children's cancer ward.

    For like 3 years, every kid who lost their hair would dress up as Aang for any kind of event. It was goddamn adorable.

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    Coran Attack!
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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    edited June 2020
    Shorty wrote: »
    the first half of the first season is the weakest part of the show by a pretty wide margin, yeah

    This is absolutely true

    The crazy thing about it though?

    Still kinda rules! Still way into it on this rewatch!

    The action choreography especially was just rock-solid right from the get go

    Even when the character work is kinda wonky, you're gonna see some dope shit

    Poorochondriac on
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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Also the Agni Kai music fucking slaps and they play it in most of the important fight scenes

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    aang is the buddha, it makes no sense for the buddha to fuck because he doesn't have earthly attachments

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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    my buddha definitely fucks

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    GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    The whole point of Aang’s arc is that he can be both the Avatar as well as Aang.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    aang is the buddha, it makes no sense for the buddha to fuck because he doesn't have earthly attachments
    The Buddha had a child prior to becoming the Buddha

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    If you meet the Buddha on the road, fuck him

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    Aang has an earthly attachment to snooch

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    kaceypkaceyp we stayed bright as lightning we sang loud as thunderRegistered User regular
    Currently in early Season 7 of my Smallville rewatch and just watched "Cure," where Dean Cain plays Probably Vandal Savage.

    Kinda funny that out of all the Superman-orbit actors to pop up as guest stars (Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, Teri Hatcher, Helen Slater, Lynda Carter, etc.), I'm pretty sure Dean Cain is the only one that played a bad guy.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Sidenote, that's one other thing Nick should get credit for (S3 late spoilers)
    implying underage sex happens in a kids show. It's very brief, but Sokka and his gf sharing a tent before the final battle isn't nothing

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    GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Leftovers s3 e2

    They absolutely sat around the writers room trying to come up with the most stupid things to hinge an episode on and still make it work.

    And holy shit did they knock it out of the park.

    That trampoline scene

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    If you meet the Buddha on the road, fuck him

    Buddha in the street, Siddhartha in the sheets

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    Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    surprised by how much pushback i'm getting on my position that aang does not fuck because he would rather contemplate the beauty of autumn

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    NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    I always got more the 'Katara is Aang's Mom's vibe, yeah.
    The roles she takes with Aang are teacher, then healer, then general team mom. It's always a motherly role. They never have the same sort of intimate moments that Katara and Zuko, or Aang and Zuko, or Sokka and Zuko have. And at the end of season two, they literally have them do the pieta pose, so. The context is 100% there.

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    ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    kaceyp wrote: »
    Currently in early Season 7 of my Smallville rewatch and just watched "Cure," where Dean Cain plays Probably Vandal Savage.

    Kinda funny that out of all the Superman-orbit actors to pop up as guest stars (Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, Teri Hatcher, Helen Slater, Lynda Carter, etc.), I'm pretty sure Dean Cain is the only one that played a bad guy.

    He's a great bad guy in Max Havoc 2.

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    He kills people with superman punches!

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