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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    Wyvern wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Do you think it's plausible that Jeff Bezos once idly suggested that Amazon should have its own Esports game in a three hour meeting about unrelated matters, and this trickled down the chain of people responsible with more and more urgency until some group was frantically working on a project with no clear direction because nobody above them had a clear idea of how little canceling the project would actually matter
    Wait, Amazon made an in-house esports game that nobody cares about? I thought Crucible was the in-house MMO that nobody cares about.

    that's new world

    which is apparently pretty neat but needs 3-6 more months in the oven

  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Amazon's Crucible has been unreleased

    Time to throw more money at the problem and hope it works?

    I mean, finfan 14

    but they lack a yoshi p

    because Yoshi P was notable before he saved FFXIV

    if only Amazon had someone who directed Dragon Quest: Monster Battle Road II Legend

    if only

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    H0b0man wrote: »
    I enjoyed playing Anthem, the flying felt pretty good and my robot mage was a lot of fun to fight with, but once you beat the main game there just kinda wasn't anything to do.

    I'd at least be interested in giving it another look if they actually re-release it.

    Meanwhile I don't think I've managed to remember Crucible was a thing for longer than 10 mins after seeing anything about it. It just disappears from my brain.

    Anthem is a really good combat engine in search of a game. The “Bioware” parts were too on rails and generic to be satisfying, and the world was gorgeous but empty and too small for the flying mechanic, even with the overheating feature limiting flying time.

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  • WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Wyvern wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Do you think it's plausible that Jeff Bezos once idly suggested that Amazon should have its own Esports game in a three hour meeting about unrelated matters, and this trickled down the chain of people responsible with more and more urgency until some group was frantically working on a project with no clear direction because nobody above them had a clear idea of how little canceling the project would actually matter
    Wait, Amazon made an in-house esports game that nobody cares about? I thought Crucible was the in-house MMO that nobody cares about.

    that's new world

    which is apparently pretty neat but needs 3-6 more months in the oven
    Apparently there was some point in the past where I acquired the knowledge "Amazon is going to make a video game through its own in-house development studio for some incomprehensibly stupid reason", and then that thread got no additional input until I saw a single New World trailer a couple weeks ago, and I just assumed they were the same concept. At no point during the intervening time was I aware that Crucible existed in any form.

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  • Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    edited June 30
    speaking of games that need more time in the oven, what's left of Starbreeze did an investor presentation earlier today, and shockingly it's entirely about Payday 3 (since that's basically all they have at this point)
    They were hoping to get a publishing agreement and date in 2020, but due to COVID and other factors it's being pushed back, according to the presentation they're looking at a 2022-2023 release, simultaneous on PC and console unlike PD2. This current iteration of PD3 officially started development back in October, running on Unreal instead of their in-house Diesel engine. The presentation shows a Steam logo but not Epic, but that probably doesn't mean much considering how far out it is.

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  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    Comparing Crucible to FF14 or Anthem feels wrong- those are both big PVE-first games with lots of content that needs to be reimagined or recreated from scratch. Crucible is more like, well, every Ubisoft competitive game that failed at release and then they spent a year making it better until people liked them.

    Personally I really like the game. It's the blend of shooter and objective based MOBA that clicks for me, much like Battleborn did. I hope they can get their shit together, fix up the issues and actually promote the game next time around, because team based matchmaking just doesn't really work with ~100 players and I'm not good enough to play against streamers.

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    Wyvern wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Wyvern wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Do you think it's plausible that Jeff Bezos once idly suggested that Amazon should have its own Esports game in a three hour meeting about unrelated matters, and this trickled down the chain of people responsible with more and more urgency until some group was frantically working on a project with no clear direction because nobody above them had a clear idea of how little canceling the project would actually matter
    Wait, Amazon made an in-house esports game that nobody cares about? I thought Crucible was the in-house MMO that nobody cares about.

    that's new world

    which is apparently pretty neat but needs 3-6 more months in the oven
    Apparently there was some point in the past where I acquired the knowledge "Amazon is going to make a video game through its own in-house development studio for some incomprehensibly stupid reason", and then that thread got no additional input until I saw a single New World trailer a couple weeks ago, and I just assumed they were the same concept. At no point during the intervening time was I aware that Crucible existed in any form.

    they have one or two others in development too I believe

  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    I had seen people talking about the new amazon game flopping multiple times but this is the first time I actually even saw the name of it

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited June 30
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I'm still not quite sure I believe they're going to re-release Anthem

    I just don't see how they could make it make financial sense. There's no way they'll want to put in that effort just for it to be a free update, but charging people money for the game again would be a massive shit show.

    FF14 pulled it off, but a subscription MMO has a way financial model where you can make it up in the long run.

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  • asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    Crucible reminds me a lot of - Paragon? Whatever Epic's attempt at a 3rd person action MOBA was, so much so that I thought I was having deja vu.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    New World just kind of has a terrible name and premise.

    Like nobody higher up on the team went, "ummm, do we really to make want an MMO set in the 1600s about the players colonizing a place explicitly modeled off of colonial America? You know, given the association with genocide and ethnic cleansing?"

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  • H0b0manH0b0man Registered User regular
    Ya I think that came up after they announced the game so they changed stuff around so they could go "It's a brand new land with no people living here. It's all cool. You're not displacing anybody." despite still heavily pulling from colonial imagery, and all the historical baggage that comes with it, for their art style.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    has anyone played Shadows: Awakening?

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    has anyone played Shadows: Awakening?

    This sounds like a game you made up as a trick

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Crucible is a game mode in Destiny.

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  • McHogerMcHoger Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    has anyone played Shadows: Awakening?

    I played a tiny bit. Mostly just the tutorial. You play a malevolent spirit that can resurrect different adventures and possess. It has a dual reality mechanic where some enemies and puzzle can only be dealt with as the spirit and some as your adventurer in the main world. It didn't seem bad but also didn't grab me at the time.

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    I think they lost me at “puzzles”

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  • McHogerMcHoger Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    I think they lost me at “puzzles”

    If it makes a difference, I think they were less "Puzzle Game" puzzles and more "RPG Dungeon" puzzles.

  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Any amount of puzzle can fuck right off go hang out with the riddles you wretched bastards

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    Riddles are bad, puzzles are good.

    Hexcells is an amazing puzzle series. Just serenely doing logic on a bunch of hexes.

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    Logic? I'm no Vulcan.

    I fire my phaser at the hexes

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Puzzles riddles puns and mathematics based jokes, left side against the wall! Move!

  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Found another little gem in the equality bundle

    Oddrealm.

    Graphically and mechanically basically in the middle between dwarf fortress and rimworld. Set in medieval fantasyish

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  • AistanAistan Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    Maybe I should have read more about it before getting Troubleshooter. I don't think I really have it in me to play as a private police corporation that has enforcement powers to execute people in a fascist state. Especially one with an anime whimsy covering it, and a poor translation to top things off. Even if I can name it DirtyCopsInc.

    It seems like an ok xcom-like but there's so many mechanics piled on top of each other and the tutorial was so poorly explaining any of them I didn't want to bother. Going to refund this.

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  • DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    I got a riddle for you

    what have I got in my pocket?
    nothing, I'm very poor.

  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    I got a riddle for you

    what have I got in my pocket?
    nothing, I'm very poor.

    It isn't fair, my precious, is it, to ask us what it's got in its nassty little pocketses?

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Wyvern wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Do you think it's plausible that Jeff Bezos once idly suggested that Amazon should have its own Esports game in a three hour meeting about unrelated matters, and this trickled down the chain of people responsible with more and more urgency until some group was frantically working on a project with no clear direction because nobody above them had a clear idea of how little canceling the project would actually matter
    Wait, Amazon made an in-house esports game that nobody cares about? I thought Crucible was the in-house MMO that nobody cares about.

    that's new world

    which is apparently pretty neat but needs 3-6 more months in the oven

    I have a friend who played a lot of the New World beta for a while. And, whatever its good points, that is the most icky-feeling game setting I have seen in a very long time. Playing Sid Meiers: Colonization feels less colonialist.

    It really is that bad.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Wyvern wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Do you think it's plausible that Jeff Bezos once idly suggested that Amazon should have its own Esports game in a three hour meeting about unrelated matters, and this trickled down the chain of people responsible with more and more urgency until some group was frantically working on a project with no clear direction because nobody above them had a clear idea of how little canceling the project would actually matter
    Wait, Amazon made an in-house esports game that nobody cares about? I thought Crucible was the in-house MMO that nobody cares about.

    that's new world

    which is apparently pretty neat but needs 3-6 more months in the oven

    I have a friend who played a lot of the New World beta for a while. And, whatever its good points, that is the most icky-feeling game setting I have seen in a very long time. Playing Sid Meiers: Colonization feels less colonialist.

    It really is that bad.

    god damn that's an anti-endorsement if I've ever seen one

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Wyvern wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Do you think it's plausible that Jeff Bezos once idly suggested that Amazon should have its own Esports game in a three hour meeting about unrelated matters, and this trickled down the chain of people responsible with more and more urgency until some group was frantically working on a project with no clear direction because nobody above them had a clear idea of how little canceling the project would actually matter
    Wait, Amazon made an in-house esports game that nobody cares about? I thought Crucible was the in-house MMO that nobody cares about.

    that's new world

    which is apparently pretty neat but needs 3-6 more months in the oven

    I have a friend who played a lot of the New World beta for a while. And, whatever its good points, that is the most icky-feeling game setting I have seen in a very long time. Playing Sid Meiers: Colonization feels less colonialist.

    It really is that bad.

    god damn that's an anti-endorsement if I've ever seen one

    At least in Colonization you have the option of not fucking over the natives.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    From months ago:
    Of course, a game about people violently sieging a foreign land in the 1600s has raised eyebrows. Its core idea seems to be based on real-life European imperialism, with undead creatures as a stand-in for indigenous peoples. In response to this perspective, Amazon Games studio head Patrick Gilmore told Polygon in February, "That's not really been a focus at all. The lore of the game is that there's a tainted aspect to this world, that it's a garden of Eden that has fallen from grace." In-game, the undead are former settlers who've been corrupted by the island, Aeternum, itself.
    Soooo... Kind of what Europeans imagined the Americas to be?

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    From months ago:
    Of course, a game about people violently sieging a foreign land in the 1600s has raised eyebrows. Its core idea seems to be based on real-life European imperialism, with undead creatures as a stand-in for indigenous peoples. In response to this perspective, Amazon Games studio head Patrick Gilmore told Polygon in February, "That's not really been a focus at all. The lore of the game is that there's a tainted aspect to this world, that it's a garden of Eden that has fallen from grace." In-game, the undead are former settlers who've been corrupted by the island, Aeternum, itself.
    Soooo... Kind of what Europeans imagined the Americas to be?

    yeah. and it's kind of hard to think of any other interpretation when your character is walking around looking exactly like Francisco Pizzaro in 16th century Spanish armor.

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
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    I have reached the summit! Mercifully I didn't miss any strawberries in the final stretch. Final tally was 165/175; I've now bumped that up to 170.

    Another b-side awaits, but ... first I think I would like a nudge for the Emerald. The gems seem to map to each sub-section, which means it's in the chapter 3 sequence ... but I've been back and forth a few dozen times and can't begin to see what I'm missing. Any help is appreciated.

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  • LalaboxLalabox Registered User regular
    I don't understand the bounty/wanted system in RDR2. I robbed a secret business today. Had on a totally new outfit and a bandana, and still got identified. But then only got an $11 bounty for killing 4 people (or maybe 5? I'm not clear on if pistol whipping is lethal) and blowing a room up with dynamite

    The thing i heard is that cops will always be able to identify you when they see you, and so you'll get a bounty. The mask and outfit is just for the civilian witnesses who see you do stuff

  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    I don't understand the bounty/wanted system in RDR2. I robbed a secret business today. Had on a totally new outfit and a bandana, and still got identified. But then only got an $11 bounty for killing 4 people (or maybe 5? I'm not clear on if pistol whipping is lethal) and blowing a room up with dynamite

    The player bounty system and the cops in general in RDR2 are both totally buggered, they spend so much time with realistic this and that but when it comes to crime its all inexplicable NPC awareness and spawning cops on top of you and also inecplicably oblivious NPCs and ten dollar penalties for mass homicide

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    Hobnail wrote: »
    I don't understand the bounty/wanted system in RDR2. I robbed a secret business today. Had on a totally new outfit and a bandana, and still got identified. But then only got an $11 bounty for killing 4 people (or maybe 5? I'm not clear on if pistol whipping is lethal) and blowing a room up with dynamite

    The player bounty system and the cops in general in RDR2 are both totally buggered, they spend so much time with realistic this and that but when it comes to crime its all inexplicable NPC awareness and spawning cops on top of you and also inecplicably oblivious NPCs and ten dollar penalties for mass homicide

    Well you know ten dollars was a lot more back then.

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Thats true ten dollars was like a months groceries

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Lalabox wrote: »
    I don't understand the bounty/wanted system in RDR2. I robbed a secret business today. Had on a totally new outfit and a bandana, and still got identified. But then only got an $11 bounty for killing 4 people (or maybe 5? I'm not clear on if pistol whipping is lethal) and blowing a room up with dynamite

    The thing i heard is that cops will always be able to identify you when they see you, and so you'll get a bounty. The mask and outfit is just for the civilian witnesses who see you do stuff

    I completely forgot which thread I was in for a moment and was heavily confused by this post.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    Maddoc wrote: »
    I'm still not quite sure I believe they're going to re-release Anthem

    I just don't see how they could make it make financial sense. There's no way they'll want to put in that effort just for it to be a free update, but charging people money for the game again would be a massive shit show.

    FF14 pulled it off, but a subscription MMO has a way financial model where you can make it up in the long run.

    I think they will because they likely want to release other games-as-service type things and they don't want the reputation that they're gonna just abandon projects immediately after they face any sort of strife. And the game sold...relatively well, at first, I believe? That's a lot of potential customers to reactivate if they figure it out

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Someone on another forum just said "hey, I have a really specific weird request for a game" and I was tensing up for a description of like, he wants a visual novel about accountants who are also big-titted rabbit girls who fight zombies, but instead he goes "I was just rewatching The Goonies and Indiana Jones a couple weeks ago and I realized I wanted to play a game where you explore some kind of ruin and there are lots of traps and puzzles and riddles to solve. Not just physical stuff like dodging boulders but like, finding the right spot on the map, or moving mirrors around, or playing a tune on a piano to open a secret wall. I don't want a game of only one kind of puzzle like Portal, and I don't want some abstract game of puzzles without context, either."

    And it occurred to me, reading that, that holy shit I have almost no idea where to find a game of that incredibly straightforward thing you find in fiction all the time.

    Like, what is there? There's Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis from thirty fucking years ago. Uncharted and Tomb Raider games are more action-y (or now, more survival-y). Ditto Prince of Persia. Heaven's Vault is a great game with the right kind of theme but it's mainly got the one kind of puzzle.

    The Secret World had moments like this, where you had to do actual real-life research or happen to know Morse code or how to read music, but those (genuinely amazing) sequences had hours and hours and hours of the shittiest MMO combat imaginable in between them.

    I can think of a few adventure games, like the Gabriel Knight series, that have parts that fit the bill, but those are just parts (and typically at the end of the game). Maybe the Broken Sword series? I never played those.

    It's really weird. I'd never thought about this before and now the difficulty I'm having asnwering his question bugs the shit out of me.

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