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Minneapolis thread 2: we can't use the funny haha subtitle anymore
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The last thread was locked, and I didn't see any kind of "we're done now" mod post, so I'm assuming this is kosher???
Anyway, this shit is still happening, black lives matter, all cops are bastards, voting will not save us, etc etc
Anyway, this shit is still happening, black lives matter, all cops are bastards, voting will not save us, etc etc
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ADS are the ones you gotta watch out for, they look pretty similar, except a much larger "dish" which uses something similar to directed microwaves to make you move away (they're trying to lightly cook you).
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Two camps:
-People who genuinely do not care because they're either sociopaths or just generally lacking a conscience
-Folks utterly taken in by the propaganda that "non-lethal deterrents" are the future and a good thing for society at large
Not everyone who gets a STEM degree has a bright eye or bushy tail. Alternatively, there are plenty of folks who get fixated on solving interesting technical problems without really thinking about what it means that the focused sound emitter is going to be pointed at their neighbor.
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Turns it you can get people to do some obscene stuff if you frame it correctly.
Which is how we got here.
EDIT: to make it clear BLM ACAB.
Third camp is a lot of these are built for military operations and they're sold to people that making these means civilians are less likely to get hurt. Still a bad thing, but weapons have been made since primates could grab things with their hands.
nah you're right. i just don't understand how you can be working on some shit like that and not stop and think about what you're doing and how it's likely to be used
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e.g. many engineers working at Google/Facebook/Amazon etc. They get hired in their early 20's at a time when many of them have never needed to reflect on the nature of the world they inhabit. They get started working on some algorithm so deep inside the system they can't see the ways it influences the actual world. They were already the smartest person in their narrow worldly experience, and this idea keeps being reinforced by office culture. Before long, they've internalized the idea that they and their coworkers deserve to inherit the universe because all you need to be in their world is smart, and being smart at code means you're smart at everything right?
lots of people flatly reject the notion that torture doesn't actually work or just aren't aware of that fact, because they've watched 24 or they never get farther than "pain bad, nobody like that, therefore torture functional" or they're just assholes, and unfortunately a lot of them are in government
Nuclear bombs specifically were to address the prevention of losing lots of lives. It probably worked in both sides favor at the end of the day, still terrible, but a lot less terrible than what would have likely happened.
I'll bet a nonzero amount of people behind LRADs n shit were purely thinking in terms of military applications and did not for a second consider the increasing militarization of the police
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having said that I don't know if relitigating the manhattan project is where we want to go right now
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Just the absolute dirt worst
yeah don't give your name to reporters. even if they're legit, they don't need to know who you are to report on events and you can come to harm if they recklessly publish your name like they've been doing
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yeah there's definitely an extra degree of betrayal there
Other ones do it but only think of the military application and put the trust in the government to make the right call about when that use of force is necessary
And some others join these multinationals because say, aerospace engineer jobs are hard to come by, and they also have units that just do space shit or commuter shit on top of the other stuff and they're biding their time until they can switch into what they actually want to work on
The last set would be people I knew who graduated into a shit economy in 2012 and it was the first place that offered them a job and had relatively secure employment
The thing that ties all of these together, in my opinion as someone who has zero desire to ever work in weapon design, is the utter failure of professional organizations to require more humanities courses, with some focussed on ethics in particular
People get into the idea of making a thing and never consider the actual ramifications in tech because no one really taught them they should, or even how
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There's also the fact that a bachelor's, even in a STEM field, isn't a guarantee of a job anymore, and with student loans what they are well, being locked out of a family or homeownership at 22 is a big burden.
There's also also the fact that, based off what I've heard from STEM friends, it's very likely that most of the folks who did the ground level work didn't know what they were building. They only knew they were building some technically complex little box, and would probably be a bit surprised if they saw that box was one of the forty parts that assemble into a hellnoise maker.
Mostly let's focus less on the workers and more on the shitheads with an MBA who accept these contracts because it pushed them up into the next level of bonus for the quarter
More this please.
In Canada you can still get away with just a bachelor's of engineering to get a job, but it still took some folks I know two years post graduation, and about a quarter of them never made it into industry
Coincidentally all but one of those people were women, but I digress
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People also generally struggle with the idea that conditions such as concussions can have lasting impairing effects
When I took Business Ethics in college, our professor told us that he attempted to schedule the class as to make it attractive to business majors.
He found that business majors weren't registering for it though, so he asked the business department.
And this is what he effectively reported to us:
So, even if ethics is offered, there can be obstacles in having students even look at it as an option.
http://www.citypages.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-members-consider-disbanding-the-police/570993291?fbclid=IwAR3rHVgxVCJ4mupm0j3ln5iKJRhB67QdjazlHo5Ff4YcqP29VpxQ-1GvOdo
Seems to have gone beyond a couple tweets and into an actual city council conversation.