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[MTG] Let is Snow

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    ah so Kaya is here to assassinate Vorinclex

    That's... a very nasty card to have foretold out. The threat of flipping that is going to mess with people in limited.

    Especially since it's an uncommon. Like... they might have it? But probably don't? But MAYBE...?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    All I know is that foretell is gonna make me ignore the 2 mana slot of my curve if there are as many stupid limited bombs as that.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    I think this is kicking Altered Ego out of my cube

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  • SLyMSLyM Registered User regular
    Aren't things that come in as a legendary copy of something generally formatted to keep their own name to keep things simple? I can see some people falling afoul of the legend rule using that guy

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    SLyM wrote: »
    Aren't things that come in as a legendary copy of something generally formatted to keep their own name to keep things simple? I can see some people falling afoul of the legend rule using that guy

    Running afoul of the Legend Rule with a Clone is a well-known risk.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    SLyM wrote: »
    Aren't things that come in as a legendary copy of something generally formatted to keep their own name to keep things simple? I can see some people falling afoul of the legend rule using that guy

    Running afoul of the Legend Rule with a Clone is a well-known risk.

    Yes but it makes it strictly worse than some other clone effects, like spark double.

    I imagine that’s why it’s only uncommon.

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    ah so Kaya is here to assassinate Vorinclex

    Sure Kaya, try to kill one of the Four Heavenly Kings in act 1 of the story.

    See how that works out for you. :rotate:

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    If he's legendary and the thing he's copying isn't then it won't cause problems. They both have to be legendary to trigger the legend rule, even if they have the same name.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    SLyM wrote: »
    Aren't things that come in as a legendary copy of something generally formatted to keep their own name to keep things simple? I can see some people falling afoul of the legend rule using that guy

    Running afoul of the Legend Rule with a Clone is a well-known risk.

    Yes but it makes it strictly worse than some other clone effects, like spark double.

    I imagine that’s why it’s only uncommon.

    Worth noting that Spark Double is an exception to the general Clone templating specifically because it is intended to copy PWs, which are legendary by definition. And most of those effects (SD, Helm, a couple of Jaces) get around the Legendary rule by removing the supertype, not by altering the name. Only Sakashima and Lazav work that way IIRC.

    That said, those are indeed Legendary Clones like this so I can see where you'd might expect that.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Yeah I was thinking of Lazavh as the template but again, given that this is an uncommon I guess that’s a step too far

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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Valki's shapeshift doesn't get around the legend rule, but as you're copying an opponents creature that shouldn't be an issue too much outside of mirror matches

  • NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    ah so Kaya is here to assassinate Vorinclex

    Sure Kaya, try to kill one of the Four Heavenly Kings in act 1 of the story.

    See how that works out for you. :rotate:

    For what it's worth, note that Vorinclex isn't actually the leader of that faction. He and Sheoldred are the most replaceable, really, with Glissa and any of the other Seven Iron Thanes respectively.

    Given that that card is a Story Spotlight and wasn't featured in the first chapter of the story, I'm guessing that she does actually kill Vorinclex here. Which, you know, fair enough. He was always the most underdeveloped of the lot.

  • ZeroCowZeroCow Registered User regular
    Neveron wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    ah so Kaya is here to assassinate Vorinclex

    Sure Kaya, try to kill one of the Four Heavenly Kings in act 1 of the story.

    See how that works out for you. :rotate:

    For what it's worth, note that Vorinclex isn't actually the leader of that faction. He and Sheoldred are the most replaceable, really, with Glissa and any of the other Seven Iron Thanes respectively.

    Given that that card is a Story Spotlight and wasn't featured in the first chapter of the story, I'm guessing that she does actually kill Vorinclex here. Which, you know, fair enough. He was always the most underdeveloped of the lot.

    A quick look over at MTGSalvation and there seems to be a number of people who are not fans of Kaya. They seem to pin it on story reasons, but I can help, but feel that there are other reasons...

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    Neveron wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
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    ah so Kaya is here to assassinate Vorinclex

    Sure Kaya, try to kill one of the Four Heavenly Kings in act 1 of the story.

    See how that works out for you. :rotate:

    For what it's worth, note that Vorinclex isn't actually the leader of that faction. He and Sheoldred are the most replaceable, really, with Glissa and any of the other Seven Iron Thanes respectively.

    Given that that card is a Story Spotlight and wasn't featured in the first chapter of the story, I'm guessing that she does actually kill Vorinclex here. Which, you know, fair enough. He was always the most underdeveloped of the lot.

    Nah, I don't buy it. The Green Phyrexian faction doesn't have a leader because that's consistent with Green's hands-off philosophy, not because they've been planning to kill Vorinclex for a decade. And WotC isn't going to undermine the perceived threat of their next big villain by having them fail in the very first part of the story.

    More likely Kaya gets the upper hand for only a brief moment before getting her ass kicked and running back to Dominaria with her tail between her legs. And we'll see the same thing happen to four other Gatewatch members in the next few sets. Then they all reconvene to share their oddly similar reports. Karn figures out what's really happening, and he's like, "Aw shit, I'm too late."

  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    idk feels kinda early to swing back to "the gatewatch gets clowned on" mode.

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    Actually, thinking on it some more, I realize that because none of these younger planeswalkers know what Phyrexia is, they also don't know how the oil works.

    Maybe the Praetors are going to all die, but that's actually a bad thing. Their "blood" gets spilled onto the ground, and no one thinks twice about it. Then in 2023, we revisit all these same planes, but now they're all compleatly fucked because our protagonists didn't realize what they were doing.

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    glistening oil doesn't just instantly infect whatever it touches

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    It infects whatever the writers want at the speed they want.

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    glistening oil doesn't just instantly infect whatever it touches

    It absolutely does. It may not instantly turn you into a crazy monster, but once you've made contact, you are infected and you will inevitably turn. That's true for both individuals and entire worlds. It's the secret of what makes Phyrexia dangerous in a way that's different from the Eldrazi or Bolas. The monsters aren't the worst part. The disease is.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Karn needs to do some research into soap technology

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Karn needs to do some research into soap technology

    When you need a deep, thorough clean, Planar Cleansing has you covered. By 3W.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Glistening Oil will absolutely not work on instant-infection everyone-loses rules anymore, because you need to have a story. Particularly since for some reason a Phyrexian has somehow done a planar travel. The narrative focus of this arc of the story needs to not be "oh shit da oil" it needs to be "How is this existential threat not contained in its hole"


    (If you put me in charge of the story I would just say that something about the way that Phyrexians move through planes makes glistening oil lose the traits it possess, so in order to reproduce they have to be abductors, traveling from planes and stealing people away back to their home plane to be metal'd up)

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  • Dis'Dis' Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Glistening Oil was a greater threat on Mirrodin as it could infect the landscape itself since Mirrodin is a big machine. It's less of a game over when the ground is dumb rock.

    This is maybe why they're using Kaya here in the opener of the arc - someone who has intangibility as one of their core gimmicks allows you to both keep the oil scary but not have your point of view character get infected.

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    Dis' wrote: »
    This is maybe why they're using Kaya here in the opener of the arc - someone who has intangibility as one of their core gimmicks allows you to both keep the oil scary but not have your point of view character get infected.

    Kaya, as a planeswalker, has no risk of being infected even without her intangibility. A planeswalker spark is one of the few things in the multiverse that grants total immunity to the glistening oil.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    i don't think vorinclax dies here but i also think that people inflate the strength of the praetors in their mind

    they're just Strong Dudes, they're not cosmic horrors. you hit them in the head enough they go down like anyone else

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    i don't think vorinclax dies here but i also think that people inflate the strength of the praetors in their mind

    they're just Strong Dudes, they're not cosmic horrors. you hit them in the head enough they go down like anyone else

    You're right, a Praetor by itself probably isn't that much more dangerous than an experienced planeswalking assassin.

    But I think Vorinclex has come as the vanguard of his entire faction, and their arrival on Kaldheim is what will force Kaya to retreat at the end of the story without finishing Vorinclex off.

  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    i don't think vorinclax dies here but i also think that people inflate the strength of the praetors in their mind

    they're just Strong Dudes, they're not cosmic horrors. you hit them in the head enough they go down like anyone else

    You're right, a Praetor by itself probably isn't that much more dangerous than an experienced planeswalking assassin.

    But I think Vorinclex has come as the vanguard of his entire faction, and their arrival on Kaldheim is what will force Kaya to retreat at the end of the story without finishing Vorinclex off.

    Tibalt's here and he's murdered/usurped one of Kaldheim's Gods and is probably stirring up trouble for shits'n'giggles.

    What I'm saying is, I wouldn't be surprised if Vorinclex is also here as a result of one Tibalt's schemes.

  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    i don't think vorinclax dies here but i also think that people inflate the strength of the praetors in their mind

    they're just Strong Dudes, they're not cosmic horrors. you hit them in the head enough they go down like anyone else

    You're right, a Praetor by itself probably isn't that much more dangerous than an experienced planeswalking assassin.

    But I think Vorinclex has come as the vanguard of his entire faction, and their arrival on Kaldheim is what will force Kaya to retreat at the end of the story without finishing Vorinclex off.

    Tibalt's here and he's murdered/usurped one of Kaldheim's Gods and is probably stirring up trouble for shits'n'giggles.

    What I'm saying is, I wouldn't be surprised if Vorinclex is also here as a result of one Tibalt's schemes.

    That's possible. People have speculated that Tibalt plans to somehow supercharge the Tyrite Sword so that it can not only facilitate travel between the ten realms of Kaldheim as it currently does, but also allow for the safe transportation of non-planeswalker creatures across the multiverse. That might be why Vorinclex is seemingly alone on Kaldheim.

    But personally, I'm still operating under the theory that Tezzeret sold Rashmi's planar bridge to the Phyrexians, who have now reverse engineered it. Tezzeret has had prior dealings with the Phyrexians. As a planeswalker, he's one of the few who can safely bargain with them. He needs a diversion to distract the Gatewatch and Ral Zarek from their pursuit of him. Unleashing the nightmare that is New Phyrexia on the multiverse not only gives his pursuers a more important problem to deal with, it also gives him an opportunity to gain something potentially valuable in the exchange.

    Whatever Tibalt's up to with the Sword of the Realms, I suspect it's set-up for a future story that will come after the current Phyrexia arc. Perhaps it's just a coincidence that he stole the sword at the same time Vorinclex was launching the first wave of his invasion. Or perhaps he's had his eye on the sword for a while, and when he heard of a big, horrific monster tearing up the plane, he saw it as the perfect opportunity to claim his prize.

    The one thing I can't figure out is how Ashiok fits into the bigger picture. Theros Beyond Death implied they would have some role to play in the Phyrexians' escape from their home plane, but I can't think of what that might be yet.

  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Runes were mentioned in an earlier spoiler (or possibly a leak?), but now we have an official example of what they're all about
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    Basically they're auras that can be cast one equipment as well as creatures, allowing you to move the enchantment around with the equipment.
    'Rune of Aviation'
    Enchant permanent

    When Rune of Aviation enters the battlefield, draw a card.

    As long as enchanted permanent is a creature, it has flying.

    As long as enchanted permanent is an Equipment, it has "Equipped creature has flying."

  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    Oh so they're bad

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    i don't think vorinclax dies here but i also think that people inflate the strength of the praetors in their mind

    they're just Strong Dudes, they're not cosmic horrors. you hit them in the head enough they go down like anyone else

    You're right, a Praetor by itself probably isn't that much more dangerous than an experienced planeswalking assassin.

    But I think Vorinclex has come as the vanguard of his entire faction, and their arrival on Kaldheim is what will force Kaya to retreat at the end of the story without finishing Vorinclex off.

    WotC has said they want to move away from "here is this cool world now we are destroying it" so this and the idea Kaldheim is oil-poisoned already both seem unlikely based on those statements.

    Also based on the story we know so far, somebody who can Planeswalk or otherwise travel hired Kaya to kill Vorinclex, so his presence is known and not considered a nuke the plane from orbit problem

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Runes were mentioned in an earlier spoiler (or possibly a leak?), but now we have an official example of what they're all about
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    Basically they're auras that can be cast one equipment as well as creatures, allowing you to move the enchantment around with the equipment.
    'Rune of Aviation'
    Enchant permanent

    When Rune of Aviation enters the battlefield, draw a card.

    As long as enchanted permanent is a creature, it has flying.

    As long as enchanted permanent is an Equipment, it has "Equipped creature has flying."

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    turtleant wrote: »
    Oh so they're bad

    For most purposes yes but they sound like a dream for casual Voltron decks.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    tbh i don't hate the concept of Runes because i think they have the same weak points as always, which is just killing the creature. that's what makes equipment and auras bad before, and that's what makes them bad today, and nothing about Runes makes that more bad

    i'm predicting it'll be like Cartouches, where most of them will be just draft fodder but one or two may be juuuuuust good enough for an aggro deck

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  • jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
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    Maybe I missed something in other artwork but the top of Yggdrasil (I assume Kaya and Tyvar climbing the World Tree in this art) kinda looks like Vorinclex’s antlers.

    I wonder if that’s just to evoke that he’s waiting for them up there, or is Kaldheim going really bad end and oops the Phyrexians have Compleated Yggdrasil?

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    it's bolas' horns

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  • ElbasunuElbasunu Registered User regular
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    What are the odds that it's not even vorniclex but instead some trickster changeling?

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    I think people are overthinking it. Vorinclex shows up because they need a Grendel and hey remember these guys, theyre the next big bad.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    I mean really we've all known at some point the Phyrexians are showing back up, we've just been waiting on when and how, and how slow/fast the rollout will be

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