National Protests are Still a Thing Because of [Police Brutality]

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  • GONG-00GONG-00 Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    yeah that dude's got an expensive surveillance system and so do the neighbors, and weirdly none of them are going to be functional right now. Huh, strange.

    If there's any justice, the Ring twitter account will hang them out to dry after they claim their gear is busted.

    Hopefully their firearms share a similar level of neglect.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited June 30
    spool32 wrote: »
    yeah that dude's got an expensive surveillance system and so do the neighbors, and weirdly none of them are going to be functional right now. Huh, strange.

    If there's any justice, the Ring twitter account will hang them out to dry after they claim their gear is busted.

    Sadly Ring won't take a side, except in whatever way it will lead to more of those sweet, sweet police contracts.

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    Bogart wrote: »
    He's trying the “they were coming right at us” justification, larding his bullshit with words like “horde” and “tide” because Tucker Carlson has stoked his paranoia to the point where he’s peeking through his curtains for the day when they come for him.

    i really hope this defence gets absolutely eviscerated

    if you have time to go get up from your meal, go inside, arm yourself and your wife and come back outside in time for the protestors to be like 40 feet from your front door, they weren't coming straight for you

    my dude just wanted to do his best Tony Montana impression for the world to see

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    Gee, it's almost like that couple (and those immediately siding with them) are part of the reason why people are protesting to begin with

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    Tav wrote: »
    Bogart wrote: »
    He's trying the “they were coming right at us” justification, larding his bullshit with words like “horde” and “tide” because Tucker Carlson has stoked his paranoia to the point where he’s peeking through his curtains for the day when they come for him.

    i really hope this defence gets absolutely eviscerated

    if you have time to go get up from your meal, go inside, arm yourself and your wife and come back outside in time for the protestors to be like 40 feet from your front door, they weren't coming straight for you

    my dude just wanted to do his best Tony Montana impression for the world to see

    This was it, the moment he dreamed of and bought those guns for.

    (And promptly put away and never practiced with or learned to shoot responsibly.)

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  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    edited June 30
    Just a reminder Saint Louis is where after a black DA was elected in 2018, before he even took office, the public prosecutors unionized by joining the police union.

    Also iirc there is the general police union, and then a 2nd union for black officers...yeah.

    http://www.stlamerican.com/news/columnists/charles_jaco/staff-prosecutors-joining-police-union-sends-wesley-bell-a-message/article_f7cef224-03a7-11e9-874a-4b02da70a715.html

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  • TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Everett, WARegistered User regular
    Just a reminder Saint Louis is where after a black DA was elected in 2018, before he even took office, the public prosecutors unionized by joining the police union.

    Also iirc there is the general police union, and then a 2nd union for black officers...yeah.

    http://www.stlamerican.com/news/columnists/charles_jaco/staff-prosecutors-joining-police-union-sends-wesley-bell-a-message/article_f7cef224-03a7-11e9-874a-4b02da70a715.html

    Also, the State of Missouri, is ground zero of the ; "Mason-Dixon" line, and most recently, "Furgeson".

    A lot of what we are seeing in St. Louis, wasn't by accident. It's habitually from prior history.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited June 30
    Ticaldfjam wrote: »
    Just a reminder Saint Louis is where after a black DA was elected in 2018, before he even took office, the public prosecutors unionized by joining the police union.

    Also iirc there is the general police union, and then a 2nd union for black officers...yeah.

    http://www.stlamerican.com/news/columnists/charles_jaco/staff-prosecutors-joining-police-union-sends-wesley-bell-a-message/article_f7cef224-03a7-11e9-874a-4b02da70a715.html

    Also, the State of Missouri, is ground zero of the ; "Mason-Dixon" line, and most recently, "Furgeson".

    A lot of what we are seeing in St. Louis, wasn't by accident. It's habitually from prior history.

    Technically Missouri didn’t have anything to do with the Mason Dixon line, the Mason Dixon line was a British Colonial era thing that was surveyed to seperate Pennsylvania from Maryland (at the time Delaware was part of Pennsylvania. It just so happened that for a number of economic and cultural reasons the slavery-free state line occured at that point, but this wasn’t really a factor until after the revolution, as Pennsylvania didn’t ban slavery until it became an independent state.

    The free-slave state line in the west was the Ohio river and Illinois river, and then extended west along the Sullivan line which was the Iowa-Missouri border.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited June 30
    With few exceptions, Missouri sucks balls no matter where you draw lines

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    yeah that dude's got an expensive surveillance system and so do the neighbors, and weirdly none of them are going to be functional right now. Huh, strange.

    If there's any justice, the Ring twitter account will hang them out to dry after they claim their gear is busted.

    To be fair, rich people are cheap, want to spend bottom dollar on things like cameras, and expect them to work forever.

    Not that I buy their excuse, but it's not that farfetched.

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited July 1
    With few exceptions, Missouri sucks balls no matter where you draw lines

    I'm more of a blows goats inhabitant of the state.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Clearly the solution to these problems is to bring back redlining???

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Clearly the solution to these problems is to bring back redlining???

    I mean, yeah. He's just saying the quiet part loud again.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus premium Registered User regular
    So the governor of Iowa's vehicle struck a protester in Iowa. They weren't seriously injured but it's fucking infuriating on multiple levels.



    (Tweets are from the protester who was struck.)

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  • XantomasXantomas totally awesome? Registered User regular
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus premium Registered User regular
    The man should not be allowed on any news program without the reporter interrupting him to tell him that the bullshit he spouted is contradicted by video evidence from multiple witnesses.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited July 1
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    Still lying his ass off over what actually happened, I presume.

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    Couscous wrote: »
    Clearly the solution to these problems is to bring back redlining???
    Wasn't he legally hit because of this policy before? Something tells me he's looking at a "just in case" scenario for losing the November election. Like he wants to go back into real-estate and not be hindered by as many laws.

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads Punch DimensionRegistered User regular
    edited July 1
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    ugh why the right always gotta go and make the left seem so much cooler than we really are?!

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited July 1
    And in Seattle we have a truck driver attacking protesters. Driving around other stopped cars to do it, so there's not a lot of excuses here.
    (rando with the video)

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I am so freaking glad nobody got hurt. Good lord.

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    According to further posts on the tweet the guy was a DoorDash driver making a delivery.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    According to further posts on the tweet the guy was a DoorDash driver making a delivery.

    Monsters have day jobs, I guess. Geeze.

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    Still lying his ass off over what actually happened, I presume.

    I'd bet he actually thinks that's what happened.

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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    The ambulence-chaser lawyers have lawyered up and are probably doing what that lawyer said to do.
    In Hammon v. Harris, Watkins garnered the first verdict of its kind against a young female who falsely accused a policeman of engaging in sexual relations and snorting cocaine with a female patron of a restaurant at which the policeman was working a security shift. When the defendant would not appear for her deposition, Watkins procured an order mandating the woman be brought into custody and held in jail pending her deposition. During the ensuing video deposition, Watkins swiftly got the woman to confess and admit the allegations were false. The video deposition swiftly became an internet sensation. A six-figure judgment was entered in favor of the policeman. The woman committed suicide thereafter.

    Turns out they are the second-scummiest lawyers in St. Louis because they hired the scummiest.

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  • marajimaraji Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    The ambulence-chaser lawyers have lawyered up and are probably doing what that lawyer said to do.
    In Hammon v. Harris, Watkins garnered the first verdict of its kind against a young female who falsely accused a policeman of engaging in sexual relations and snorting cocaine with a female patron of a restaurant at which the policeman was working a security shift. When the defendant would not appear for her deposition, Watkins procured an order mandating the woman be brought into custody and held in jail pending her deposition. During the ensuing video deposition, Watkins swiftly got the woman to confess and admit the allegations were false. The video deposition swiftly became an internet sensation. A six-figure judgment was entered in favor of the policeman. The woman committed suicide thereafter.

    Turns out they are the second-scummiest lawyers in St. Louis because they hired the scummiest.

    Witness intimidation - it’s only wrong when they do it.

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    Hevach wrote: »
    In this purging of blackface there's some glaring omissions. Star Trek TNG and DS9 both had actors in actual, literal black face, most notably Gowron and Martok (Robert O'Reilly and JG Hertzler).

    N...no.

    Gowron and Martok's skin tone is not all that dissimilar from my own after a day in the sun, and I am most definitely white.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
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    Flavortown cops are still the worst but we have taken down the fuck-off sized statue of Columbus at city hall, so everything is fixed!

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  • zepherinzepherin Registered User regular
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.
    Did they fire their guns or wield them?

    I believe that assault is only usable if the weapon is discharged.

    The unlawful firearm exception might apply. It’s going to depend if the street was public or private. Going into a gated community might make them trespassers (Regardless of breaking the gate or opening it, doesn’t matter). And in Missouri it is a stand your ground state. So if the HOA owns the street they likely won’t get a conviction, and the prosecutor will likely avoid charging.

    It’s going to be interesting, but I doubt much will come of it. Jury selection will be hell. How do you avoid the issue that half or more of the jury pool voted for Trump.

    I mean they acted ridiculous and racist, but this is going to be really hard to win.

  • MonwynMonwyn Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    That does not look like Lindell Drive in St Louis, across from the park.

    That's because it's not Lindell Drive, it's Portland Place, where the actual property that we are talking about is located. The street is private, not public. It is owned and maintained by the property owners, not the city.
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    Unless you have an existing easement, you have no right to be there without the property owner's permission, and you need to leave immediately if asked to. Everything they did was legal.

    Listen if you are concerned that the sans cullotes are going to swing a meat cleaver through your spine you should 1): stay inside and 2): reconsider your entire life

    Pointing a gun you have clearly never fired at an angry mob is begging for you to reflexively pull the trigger after something startles you and accidentally starting a revolution

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.
    Did they fire their guns or wield them?

    I believe that assault is only usable if the weapon is discharged.

    The unlawful firearm exception might apply. It’s going to depend if the street was public or private. Going into a gated community might make them trespassers (Regardless of breaking the gate or opening it, doesn’t matter). And in Missouri it is a stand your ground state. So if the HOA owns the street they likely won’t get a conviction, and the prosecutor will likely avoid charging.

    It’s going to be interesting, but I doubt much will come of it. Jury selection will be hell. How do you avoid the issue that half or more of the jury pool voted for Trump.

    I mean they acted ridiculous and racist, but this is going to be really hard to win.

    You win by threatening the case, draining their cash with legal fees, and letting them plead down to brandishing, which I feel like is the actual crime here.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.
    Did they fire their guns or wield them?

    I believe that assault is only usable if the weapon is discharged.

    The unlawful firearm exception might apply. It’s going to depend if the street was public or private. Going into a gated community might make them trespassers (Regardless of breaking the gate or opening it, doesn’t matter). And in Missouri it is a stand your ground state. So if the HOA owns the street they likely won’t get a conviction, and the prosecutor will likely avoid charging.

    It’s going to be interesting, but I doubt much will come of it. Jury selection will be hell. How do you avoid the issue that half or more of the jury pool voted for Trump.

    I mean they acted ridiculous and racist, but this is going to be really hard to win.

    Nah, assault is the threat iirc, so brandishing almost certainly covers it. And the status of the street is irrelevant because the homeowners are not the HOA and so trespass can't apply with respect to the homeowners. I'm not aware of any state where a stand your ground law would let me shoot someone on my neighbor's property.

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  • VanguardVanguard A wretched country of duskRegistered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.
    Did they fire their guns or wield them?

    I believe that assault is only usable if the weapon is discharged.

    The unlawful firearm exception might apply. It’s going to depend if the street was public or private. Going into a gated community might make them trespassers (Regardless of breaking the gate or opening it, doesn’t matter). And in Missouri it is a stand your ground state. So if the HOA owns the street they likely won’t get a conviction, and the prosecutor will likely avoid charging.

    It’s going to be interesting, but I doubt much will come of it. Jury selection will be hell. How do you avoid the issue that half or more of the jury pool voted for Trump.

    I mean they acted ridiculous and racist, but this is going to be really hard to win.

    Nah, assault is the threat iirc, so brandishing almost certainly covers it. And the status of the street is irrelevant because the homeowners are not the HOA and so trespass can't apply with respect to the homeowners. I'm not aware of any state where a stand your ground law would let me shoot someone on my neighbor's property.

    don't worry, this case will set the precedent

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.
    Did they fire their guns or wield them?

    I believe that assault is only usable if the weapon is discharged.

    The unlawful firearm exception might apply. It’s going to depend if the street was public or private. Going into a gated community might make them trespassers (Regardless of breaking the gate or opening it, doesn’t matter). And in Missouri it is a stand your ground state. So if the HOA owns the street they likely won’t get a conviction, and the prosecutor will likely avoid charging.

    It’s going to be interesting, but I doubt much will come of it. Jury selection will be hell. How do you avoid the issue that half or more of the jury pool voted for Trump.

    I mean they acted ridiculous and racist, but this is going to be really hard to win.

    You win by threatening the case, draining their cash with legal fees, and letting them plead down to brandishing, which I feel like is the actual crime here.

    They can all file a separate case individually, right?

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  • zepherinzepherin Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.
    Did they fire their guns or wield them?

    I believe that assault is only usable if the weapon is discharged.

    The unlawful firearm exception might apply. It’s going to depend if the street was public or private. Going into a gated community might make them trespassers (Regardless of breaking the gate or opening it, doesn’t matter). And in Missouri it is a stand your ground state. So if the HOA owns the street they likely won’t get a conviction, and the prosecutor will likely avoid charging.

    It’s going to be interesting, but I doubt much will come of it. Jury selection will be hell. How do you avoid the issue that half or more of the jury pool voted for Trump.

    I mean they acted ridiculous and racist, but this is going to be really hard to win.

    You win by threatening the case, draining their cash with legal fees, and letting them plead down to brandishing, which I feel like is the actual crime here.
    Except assholes like this have self defense insurance which pays for legal fees in cases like this.

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  • zepherinzepherin Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.
    Did they fire their guns or wield them?

    I believe that assault is only usable if the weapon is discharged.

    The unlawful firearm exception might apply. It’s going to depend if the street was public or private. Going into a gated community might make them trespassers (Regardless of breaking the gate or opening it, doesn’t matter). And in Missouri it is a stand your ground state. So if the HOA owns the street they likely won’t get a conviction, and the prosecutor will likely avoid charging.

    It’s going to be interesting, but I doubt much will come of it. Jury selection will be hell. How do you avoid the issue that half or more of the jury pool voted for Trump.

    I mean they acted ridiculous and racist, but this is going to be really hard to win.

    Nah, assault is the threat iirc, so brandishing almost certainly covers it. And the status of the street is irrelevant because the homeowners are not the HOA and so trespass can't apply with respect to the homeowners. I'm not aware of any state where a stand your ground law would let me shoot someone on my neighbor's property.
    Florida?

    It depends on if they were commuting a crime, if any of the protestors had anything that looked like a weapon. It’s going to be really hard to win.

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    Putting the tweet in a spoiler as it is pretty violent but PDX police continue to show why we need to defund the fucking police.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.
    Did they fire their guns or wield them?

    I believe that assault is only usable if the weapon is discharged.

    The unlawful firearm exception might apply. It’s going to depend if the street was public or private. Going into a gated community might make them trespassers (Regardless of breaking the gate or opening it, doesn’t matter). And in Missouri it is a stand your ground state. So if the HOA owns the street they likely won’t get a conviction, and the prosecutor will likely avoid charging.

    It’s going to be interesting, but I doubt much will come of it. Jury selection will be hell. How do you avoid the issue that half or more of the jury pool voted for Trump.

    I mean they acted ridiculous and racist, but this is going to be really hard to win.

    You win by threatening the case, draining their cash with legal fees, and letting them plead down to brandishing, which I feel like is the actual crime here.
    Except assholes like this have self defense insurance which pays for legal fees in cases like this.

    That sort of "insurance" is illegal in several states IIRC - it's why the NRA got into legal trouble for their "Carry Guard" product.

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  • zepherinzepherin Registered User regular
    edited July 1
    zepherin wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Missouri assault rifle guy was just on CNN being really smug about how the only reason he's still alive after that gun wielding mob of raiders attempted to burn down his house was because he went and got his gun. He's pretty outraged at how unfair it is that he's being victimized for threatening protesters that were walking by his house.

    Apparently he had just previously been on Fox News and it was a real scaremongering session about how the violent masses are coming to kill all the white people.

    As a law abiding Missouri gun owner (Winchester 70 in .308 and Benelli 12 gauge properly locked away from their ammo), I so want him and his wife to get sued for assault/unlawful use of a weapon and lose their 2nd amendment rights. And if the Missouri Bar Association wants to look at their credentials after that, I wouldn't object.

    I know given their income level it's a bit of a pipe dream, but once upon a time I was an optimist.
    Did they fire their guns or wield them?

    I believe that assault is only usable if the weapon is discharged.

    The unlawful firearm exception might apply. It’s going to depend if the street was public or private. Going into a gated community might make them trespassers (Regardless of breaking the gate or opening it, doesn’t matter). And in Missouri it is a stand your ground state. So if the HOA owns the street they likely won’t get a conviction, and the prosecutor will likely avoid charging.

    It’s going to be interesting, but I doubt much will come of it. Jury selection will be hell. How do you avoid the issue that half or more of the jury pool voted for Trump.

    I mean they acted ridiculous and racist, but this is going to be really hard to win.

    You win by threatening the case, draining their cash with legal fees, and letting them plead down to brandishing, which I feel like is the actual crime here.
    Except assholes like this have self defense insurance which pays for legal fees in cases like this.

    That sort of "insurance" is illegal in several states IIRC - it's why the NRA got into legal trouble for their "Carry Guard" product.
    True, but I do not believe Missouri is one of those states.

    And I am correct the only states those are outlawed and are in New York New Jersey and Washington. NRA is currently seeking injunctive relief against New York’s law and federal court. I believe they are going after New York slot because it is more aggressively written, and force it into the supreme court arena so they can use it as a Precident it have all of them turn over. And with the current Supreme court leading that is quite likely.

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