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Black Lives Matter Thread 3: not really about Minneapolis at this point

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    I do feel really, really bad for Hong Kong because I genuinely don't uh, see a situation where they get any concessions from the CCP. (And even if they were to get a concession, a promise from the CCP is worth less than the paper its printed on.)

  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/seattle-police-move-clear-capitol-hill-occupied-protest-zone-n1232649

    "Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan issued an executive order on Wednesday ordering demonstrators to clear the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest Zone (CHOP), just two days after one person was killed and a 14-year-old boy was injured in a shooting.

    Seattle police officers on bikes and on foot began dispersing the crowd at about 5 a.m. PT, per the mayor's order.

    "Anyone who remains in the area, or returns to the area, is subject to arrest," the department said on Twitter.

    And by daylight, virtually the entire area was cleared. Officers were even going into bathrooms of Cal Anderson Park, looking for any stragglers."

    Is this true?

    Fuck

  • WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    Yep. They still had that whole area blocked off with cops all over when I got into work a couple hours ago.

    Weaver on
  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    The CCP is committing genocide against Uighurs which makes me a bit miffed whenever I see people portaying the CCP as the good guys

  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/seattle-police-move-clear-capitol-hill-occupied-protest-zone-n1232649

    "Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan issued an executive order on Wednesday ordering demonstrators to clear the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest Zone (CHOP), just two days after one person was killed and a 14-year-old boy was injured in a shooting.

    Seattle police officers on bikes and on foot began dispersing the crowd at about 5 a.m. PT, per the mayor's order.

    "Anyone who remains in the area, or returns to the area, is subject to arrest," the department said on Twitter.

    And by daylight, virtually the entire area was cleared. Officers were even going into bathrooms of Cal Anderson Park, looking for any stragglers."

    Is this true?

    Fuck

    I mean after they killed a 16 year old it was kind of inevitable.

    JusticeforPluto on
  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Is that the Jeep that someone was driving around, shooting at people in the CHAZ?

  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Is that the Jeep that someone was driving around, shooting at people in the CHAZ?

    Current data indicate that it was completely different vehicle and that those children were innocent of any wrongdoing.

  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    Platy wrote: »
    The CCP is committing genocide against Uighurs which makes me a bit miffed whenever I see people portaying the CCP as the good guys

    Tankies gonna tank.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Is that the Jeep that someone was driving around, shooting at people in the CHAZ?

    Current data indicate that it was completely different vehicle and that those children were innocent of any wrongdoing.

    This, plus or minus driving around the area real fast which is more kid jackassery than violent crime

    I ate an engineer
  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Is that the Jeep that someone was driving around, shooting at people in the CHAZ?

    Current data indicate that it was completely different vehicle and that those children were innocent of any wrongdoing.

    This, plus or minus driving around the area real fast which is more kid jackassery than violent crime

    Ok thank you

    Hard to get some unbiased news about the area

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular

    Sometimes I think about the chinese revolution and how they forced the upperclass into hard labor, I know that doesn't accomplish it's stated goal or anything and that it was largely used as an excuse to removed political dissidents...but sometimes *sigh*.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    The CCP commits ethnic cleansing, genocide, torture, political assassination, horrific medical atrocities, indefinite detention and God knows what else on a daily basis. They're also not exactly even fucking remotely Socialist any more; they're basically a nationalist/corporate authoritarian dictatorship/oligarchy and they largely view the common person in China as either an exploitable resource or an irrelevant statistic.

    They're just as bad as Putin's Nationalists, if not worse. The fight against bastards of this stripe is a worldwide one.

    Solar on
  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    To be clear, I'm not a tankie.

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    Sometimes I sell my stuff on Ebay
  • QuantumTurkQuantumTurk Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »

    Sometimes I think about the chinese revolution and how they forced the upperclass into hard labor, I know that doesn't accomplish it's stated goal or anything and that it was largely used as an excuse to removed political dissidents...but sometimes *sigh*.

    Re-education is a perfectly fine idea that got co-opted and twisted into "oh this is just prison again" Actual re-education and re-rehabilitation are good ideas and goals! I am very doubtful of the value of punishment in achieving these goals, however.

  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Apparently the chapo reddit, rip in piss, was big on cheerleading the CCP in Hong Kong

    Broke as fuck in the style of the times. Gratitude is all that can return on your generosity.

    https://www.paypal.me/hobnailtaylor
  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    "Upper class" sometimes meant owning a second set of clothes or a fountain pen

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    There's a pretty good reason that people who study the USSR have described them as State Capitalist systems instead of the self-professed claims of being either socialist or communist in function or goal.

    The labels made for great propaganda, but at the end of the day an authoritarian government that isn't and will not allow itself to be answerable to its public cannot be, by the actual definition, "Socialist." You need the govern to have political agency and autonomy for that to happen. That's the point of the system.

    But, thanks to decades of Cold War propaganda on both sides, "socialism" became "Oh, that's when government owns shit instead of a random group of private citizen aristocrats" instead of "the people who use the stuff own the stuff."

    Lanz on
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  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    The Chinese government committed actually incalculable atrocities in the name of communism since 1949

    I would hope that most people would not look to them as some kind of model for progress

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    The Chinese government committed actually incalculable atrocities in the name of communism since 1949

    I would hope that most people would not look to them as some kind of model for progress

    You could say the same about the US and democracy.

  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    The Chinese government committed actually incalculable atrocities in the name of communism since 1949

    I would hope that most people would not look to them as some kind of model for progress

    You could say the same about the US and democracy.

    Why the whataboutism?

    JusticeforPluto on
  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    The Chinese government committed actually incalculable atrocities in the name of communism since 1949

    I would hope that most people would not look to them as some kind of model for progress

    You could say the same about the US and democracy.

    Yes you could.

    But I don't think anyone is looking to the current US system of political economy as a model for progress, so it seems rather irrelevant.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Basically Bakunin was right when he said a dictatorship of the proletariat would just become a tyranny of the party (or whatever it was, I forget the wording) and that is why we should embrace decentralised community socialism i.e anarcho-socialism in this TED talk I will

  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Basically Bakunin was right when he said a dictatorship of the proletariat would just become a tyranny of the party (or whatever it was, I forget the wording) and that is why we should embrace decentralised community socialism i.e anarcho-socialism in this TED talk I will

    Have you read Russia in Flames? It is both a fascinating look at the intra-party conflicts of the Bolshevik revolution and scary as hell to me.

  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    The Chinese government committed actually incalculable atrocities in the name of communism since 1949

    I would hope that most people would not look to them as some kind of model for progress

    You could say the same about the US and democracy.

    Yes you could.

    But I don't think anyone is looking to the current US system of political economy as a model for progress, so it seems rather irrelevant.

    Many people, most of the USA citizens, I know in my personal life immediately turn to the authoritarian state capitalist hellscapes of the USSR and the CCP as the example of communism, or insist until they're actually blue in the face that the Nazis were totally socialists, just like Bernie and AOC

    It would be better to say, for example, that the CCP committed horrible acts of genocide

    Than to pretend the CCP is communist

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    There's a pretty good reason folks studying the USSR and "Communist" China as State Capitalist governments instead of Socialist or Communist.


    The labels made for great propaganda but at the end of the day an authoritarian government that isn't answerable to it's public cannot be, by the actual definition, "Socialist." You need the governed to have political agency and autonomy for that to happen. That is the point.


    But thanks to decades of Cold War propaganda on both sides, it became "oh that's when the government owns shit instead of a random group of private citizen aristocrats."

    Yeah but but that's just a phase! Come 2045, they'll have reached utopia and will give away all the power to the now perfect populace

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Pinkie promise

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Like, yeah, there are close to 200 years of capitalist propaganda to address, but I think everyone should at least try

  • OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    The Chinese government committed actually incalculable atrocities in the name of communism since 1949

    I would hope that most people would not look to them as some kind of model for progress

    You could say the same about the US and democracy.

    Yes you could.

    But I don't think anyone is looking to the current US system of political economy as a model for progress, so it seems rather irrelevant.

    Many people, most of the USA citizens, I know in my personal life immediately turn to the authoritarian state capitalist hellscapes of the USSR and the CCP as the example of communism, or insist until they're actually blue in the face that the Nazis were totally socialists, just like Bernie and AOC

    It would be better to say, for example, that the CCP committed horrible acts of genocide

    Than to pretend the CCP is communist

    The CCP and the USSR may not have been Actual Communists but they did things, and continue to do things, in the name of communism. That matters for getting broader support for leftist policy. At this point it's less US propaganda about the mean Communists and more the mean Communists propaganda about the benevolence of their dictatorship. And still a number of leftists do look to the actions taken by the CCP and the UsSR as a model for what the US should do to move toward communism. I'm not saying people here are doing that, but it's absolutely a thing in other circles.

  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Its hard to reconcile the nature of porn featuring black men when a centure ago, black men's genitals were taken as souvenirs at lynchings.

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Its hard to reconcile the nature of porn featuring black men when a centure ago, black men's genitals were taken as souvenirs at lynchings.

    You really just need a twitter to post your stream of conscious shit

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited July 2020
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    The Chinese government committed actually incalculable atrocities in the name of communism since 1949

    I would hope that most people would not look to them as some kind of model for progress

    You could say the same about the US and democracy.

    Honestly that’s a really good point because for a shitton of Americans, this country has never been a democracy.


    Hell, how many states, for how many decades, still forbade even recognized citizens from voting if they weren’t a landowner throughout the 19th century?


    America has never really, truly, been “free”

    White Supremacy instead served as a potent drug to craft the illusion of freedom

    Lanz on
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  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    Its hard to reconcile the nature of porn featuring black men when a centure ago, black men's genitals were taken as souvenirs at lynchings.

    You really just need a twitter to post your stream of conscious shit

    Maybe don't be a dick? You don't have to engage with every post. It's not like this is D&D and every post has to be topical.

  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/seattle-police-move-clear-capitol-hill-occupied-protest-zone-n1232649

    "Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan issued an executive order on Wednesday ordering demonstrators to clear the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest Zone (CHOP), just two days after one person was killed and a 14-year-old boy was injured in a shooting.

    Seattle police officers on bikes and on foot began dispersing the crowd at about 5 a.m. PT, per the mayor's order.

    "Anyone who remains in the area, or returns to the area, is subject to arrest," the department said on Twitter.

    And by daylight, virtually the entire area was cleared. Officers were even going into bathrooms of Cal Anderson Park, looking for any stragglers."

    Is this true?

    Fuck

    I mean after they killed a 16 year old it was kind of inevitable.

    Trigger happy fuckers with guns ruin everything yet again.

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    Its hard to reconcile the nature of porn featuring black men when a centure ago, black men's genitals were taken as souvenirs at lynchings.

    You really just need a twitter to post your stream of conscious shit

    Maybe don't be a dick? You don't have to engage with every post. It's not like this is D&D and every post has to be topical.

    I am well aware that this is not debate and discourse, I have been posting on this subforum for like a decade

    There was very little if any malice in my post; it would be helpful to all parties involved if Royce had an outlet, like many of us do

  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    Its hard to reconcile the nature of porn featuring black men when a centure ago, black men's genitals were taken as souvenirs at lynchings.

    You really just need a twitter to post your stream of conscious shit

    Maybe don't be a dick? You don't have to engage with every post. It's not like this is D&D and every post has to be topical.

    I am well aware that this is not debate and discourse, I have been posting on this subforum for like a decade

    There was very little if any malice in my post; it would be helpful to all parties involved if Royce had an outlet, like many of us do

    It read as if there was malice, or at least anger to me, hence why I reacted. You may not have intended it, but that's how I received it.

  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    Orca wrote: »
    Its hard to reconcile the nature of porn featuring black men when a centure ago, black men's genitals were taken as souvenirs at lynchings.

    You really just need a twitter to post your stream of conscious shit

    Maybe don't be a dick? You don't have to engage with every post. It's not like this is D&D and every post has to be topical.

    I am well aware that this is not debate and discourse, I have been posting on this subforum for like a decade

    There was very little if any malice in my post; it would be helpful to all parties involved if Royce had an outlet, like many of us do

    It read as if there was malice, or at least anger to me, hence why I reacted. You may not have intended it, but that's how I received it.

    what would you like to be done about the fact that you read malice where there was none

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    I promise I am not nearly nuanced enough to disguise my anger behind veiled language

  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    Orca wrote: »
    Its hard to reconcile the nature of porn featuring black men when a centure ago, black men's genitals were taken as souvenirs at lynchings.

    You really just need a twitter to post your stream of conscious shit

    Maybe don't be a dick? You don't have to engage with every post. It's not like this is D&D and every post has to be topical.

    I am well aware that this is not debate and discourse, I have been posting on this subforum for like a decade

    There was very little if any malice in my post; it would be helpful to all parties involved if Royce had an outlet, like many of us do

    It read as if there was malice, or at least anger to me, hence why I reacted. You may not have intended it, but that's how I received it.

    what would you like to be done about the fact that you read malice where there was none

    Maybe we could all be rad to each other instead? Or am I asking for too much. :/

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