I need to grab a 2.1 cable for my tv PC. (I'm just gong to wait for my Series X for the xbox's 2.1)
Any recommendations for a reasonably priced 2.1 cable?
And this is where I'm confused talking about it. Hdmi is a digital signal. So those more expensive cables aren't supposed to be worth it. Unlike analog you're not going to get a benefit from gold plated connecters and the like, so I've always bought the cheapest hdmi cable available. I didn't even realize there were different versions just knowo gold plated connecters, monster cables and the like are bullshit with a digital signal where they did help with analog.
Cheap cables are perfectly fine if the meet the spec.
Wire resistance is proportional to thickness and length, so thin, long cables can create enough voltage drop to corrupt the digital signals. And the higher the frequency used, for example to support the higher throughput needed for higher resolution video, the more sensitive the cable will be to that voltage drop. Then you have crosstalk between the conductors in the cable to worry about. Higher signal frequencies have shorter wavelengths and so they need, for example, tighter twists in the pairs compared to lower frequencies to cut out interference. HDMI cables have many thin conductors and so ones made to the initial standards won't handle the higher frequencies and crosstalk of the later standards that need thicker conductors. It's also why HDMI cables have a pretty short max usable length before you have to add powered signal boosters in the line.
Same reason Cat6(1000Mbps) ethernet cable is thicker than Cat5 (100Mbps) to meet spec, but you can often still get away with Cat5 to run 1000Mbps speeds anyway, but not always.
But with digital signals it's a very small drop in quality, if any at all. Length matters more than anything, but gold plated connecters and such will make no difference. The difference between a monster hdmi cable and one from monoprice is minimal, if there is any at all, unless we're talking about a long cable. With analog, there was a legit difference even if only audiophiles could see it. It was legit measurable though.
I need to grab a 2.1 cable for my tv PC. (I'm just gong to wait for my Series X for the xbox's 2.1)
Any recommendations for a reasonably priced 2.1 cable?
And this is where I'm confused talking about it. Hdmi is a digital signal. So those more expensive cables aren't supposed to be worth it. Unlike analog you're not going to get a benefit from gold plated connecters and the like, so I've always bought the cheapest hdmi cable available. I didn't even realize there were different versions just knowo gold plated connecters, monster cables and the like are bullshit with a digital signal where they did help with analog.
Cheap cables are perfectly fine if the meet the spec.
Wire resistance is proportional to thickness and length, so thin, long cables can create enough voltage drop to corrupt the digital signals. And the higher the frequency used, for example to support the higher throughput needed for higher resolution video, the more sensitive the cable will be to that voltage drop. Then you have crosstalk between the conductors in the cable to worry about. Higher signal frequencies have shorter wavelengths and so they need, for example, tighter twists in the pairs compared to lower frequencies to cut out interference. HDMI cables have many thin conductors and so ones made to the initial standards won't handle the higher frequencies and crosstalk of the later standards that need thicker conductors. It's also why HDMI cables have a pretty short max usable length before you have to add powered signal boosters in the line.
Same reason Cat6(1000Mbps) ethernet cable is thicker than Cat5 (100Mbps) to meet spec, but you can often still get away with Cat5 to run 1000Mbps speeds anyway, but not always.
But with digital signals it's a very small drop in quality, if any at all. Length matters more than anything, but gold plated connecters and such will make no difference. The difference between a monster hdmi cable and one from monoprice is minimal, if there is any at all, unless we're talking about a long cable. With analog, there was a legit difference even if only audiophiles could see it. It was legit measurable though.
It's not a question of quality loss, it's a question of if it works at all.
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This is an old article, but I was an electronics technician in the navy and then went on to work electronics for test systems for the air force. My understanding is that a digital signal is a digital signal, and not likely to experience any sort of signal loss or degrade in quality. It's not an analog system, it just doesn't happen. But this article sums up my understanding unless something has changed
This is an old article, but I was an electronics technician in the navy and then went on to work electronics for test systems for the air force. My understanding is that a digital signal is a digital signal, and not likely to experience any sort of signal loss or degrade in quality. It's not an analog system, it just doesn't happen. But this article sums up my understanding unless something has changed
A cable that uses the HDMI 2.0 specification is the generally speaking, the same as any other cable that supports the HDMI 2.0 specification.
A cable that uses the HDMI 2.1a specification, however... is not the same as a HDMI 2.0. All the HDMI 2.1a supporting cables however, would be the same.
The difference here is closer to a 12 gauge vs 10 gauge electrical wire, in that a cable that is made to do the HDMI 2.1a spec has a higher bandwidth capacity.
If your device or the cable can't do HDMI 2.1a, then it'd do HDMI 2.0 rates, as they are backward compatible.
edit: Clarification - if your TV doesn't have 2.1a inputs then you're not getting 2.1a quality regardless of cables
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Man I really hope a second wave of consoles go up before release . Gonna suck if there isn’t any more till December or next year.
Yeah it’s very frustrating. I’m a big early adopter guy and in Australia I’ve never not been able to just walk in and get a console on launch day off the shelf for like the last 15 years, outside of like the switch or something. I managed to preorder the second wave but it said basically “December/who knows”
Man I really hope a second wave of consoles go up before release . Gonna suck if there isn’t any more till December or next year.
Yeah it’s very frustrating. I’m a big early adopter guy and in Australia I’ve never not been able to just walk in and get a console on launch day off the shelf for like the last 15 years, outside of like the switch or something. I managed to preorder the second wave but it said basically “December/who knows”
I think that may actually be part of the difficulty though. You can't really do "walk in" on big purchase items, no more door busters either.
Actually wonder how they are going to safely do Black Friday this November in general.
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In other news MS sent streamers test kits too Gothalion, ItMeJP and his partner Aurelian all got units
Oh apparently tons of influencers did but some are saying they were sent retail units?
I’m shocked none of the partners or reviewers have been leaking Xbox stuff so far. The big prior leaks have seen to come from teams working on graphics/collateral.
What do we think the most visually impressive XSX launch game will be? I think it’ll be gears 5 with the 120fps, but my TV only has hdmi 2.0
Wait, there's a different hdmi now? I though 4k and udr or whatever and I was good? Fuck, my tv probably doesn't have anything higher than 2.0
You’ll need 2.1 which has 40ish Gbps to get 4K/hdr/120fps.
HDMI 2.0 will be fine for 4K/60 or 1080/120fps I think at 18Gbps
Gears 5 is not doing 4k at 120fps on the new xbone, that's a pipedream. It doesnt even 80fps on the new 3080 cards at 4k, 2.0 will be fine for a long time.
In other news MS sent streamers test kits too Gothalion, ItMeJP and his partner Aurelian all got units
Oh apparently tons of influencers did but some are saying they were sent retail units?
I’m shocked none of the partners or reviewers have been leaking Xbox stuff so far. The big prior leaks have seen to come from teams working on graphics/collateral.
What do we think the most visually impressive XSX launch game will be? I think it’ll be gears 5 with the 120fps, but my TV only has hdmi 2.0
Wait, there's a different hdmi now? I though 4k and udr or whatever and I was good? Fuck, my tv probably doesn't have anything higher than 2.0
You’ll need 2.1 which has 40ish Gbps to get 4K/hdr/120fps.
HDMI 2.0 will be fine for 4K/60 or 1080/120fps I think at 18Gbps
Gears 5 is not doing 4k at 120fps on the new xbone, that's a pipedream. It doesnt even 80fps on the new 3080 cards at 4k, 2.0 will be fine for a long time.
According to Xbox wire, it’s already over 100fps on XSX and they are working on 120fps. Doesn’t mention exactly 4K, but even 1440p is gonna approach exceeding 2.0 bandwidth in performance mode. Especially when it’s not intensive GPU action. You also completely ignore the benefits of VRR, which is a significant improvement over 2.0 in most games by reducing tearing in multiplayer games.
I agree 2.0 is still fine, especially if people aren’t into esports type games where frames and I frames matter. Heck, 1080p is still “fine”, but there will be real benefits to 2.1 and you’ll see them on launch day if you have the gear.
I have a 2.0 OLED, so I’ll live with 60fps for now but will really miss VRR. Screen tearing bugs the shit outta me.
I really wish Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance: Dark Alliance 2 and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance: Dark Alliance 2: Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel were...uh, I lost my train of thought.
edit: Oh, yeah. I wish they were on the Xbox store.
I am an old fogey. What are you kids doing with sharing / share button from gaming? I think I’ve shared one screenshot, ever. And that was a final Destiny raid screen here. Maybe I am missing out.
Would be great to have a macro/script setting for it (open this game, log in past main menu, start a party, set tv volume to X, etc). But now I’m just dreaming.
I haven't shared a single screenshot or video, but I have a bunch saved. I use it for "oh shit did you see what just happened?" style videos, videos of achievements that work best in video form (like a really good round of PvP where I do a bunch of cool shit and end up at the top of the leaderboard or getting a perfect on a song in a rhythm game), screenshots of funny text lines in text-based games, and screenshots of achievements that work in screenshot form (like the scoreboard after a blowout game).
Likewise, for me they're just for capturing particularly unusual (or, in rare cases, impressive) feats. Like coming down to literally the last second of the "all in one run" achievement in Outer Wilds, or the one time I actually managed to snap someone else's neck in Titanfall. Or when completing the Fortress of the Damned in Sea of Thieves, everyone playing Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" while firing cannons in time.
I've often had to capture screens for reviews. Or maybe something funny. I have one from Forza Horizon as my system background.
I think I also managed to capture my first-ever Ultra Combo in Killer Instinct.
If it's that good, I want to see it
I'll try to share it here; it's nothing extremely special, but I picked it since the custom one I had of my cats seems to require a connection to my PC at all times, and it was just the nicest one I had on my Xbox.
...man, I really miss the themes from the 360, though.
There you go, @Jazz . Had to resize it so the forum would allow the upload.
Like I said, nothing too special, but I like how it came out well enough, and had nothing better to use as my background at the moment.
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I really wish Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance: Dark Alliance 2 and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance: Dark Alliance 2: Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel were...uh, I lost my train of thought.
edit: Oh, yeah. I wish they were on the Xbox store.
Sony and YouTube Gaming did a thing where they let Jpn content creators capture some PS5 footage and man I just cant help but be disappointed to see the difference between MS and Sony's approach and how lame Sony is being.
MS is all like here is everything and giving press and content creator's mostly final or in the case of content creators final retail units with timed embargos for feature pieces
Sony's is playing it so close to the chest all the footage from this media blast are the same few demos (DMC5 SE, Balan WonderWorld, Astrobot and Godfall) and no console UI or anything.
It's like Sony is afraid were going to find something out.
I guess the easiest way to say it is Im just not "excited" for these launches, and I don't think it has anything to do with covid. The 3rd parties and Sony just seem to be afraid to show anything it feels like unless you want to see more of the same area of GodFall they got a SHITLOAD of that for you to see.
I know one thing for certain: all the footage of loading times and frame rates on the XSX has left me not wanting to play a lot of my current gen consoles games until next gen launch.
Everytime I sit at a loading screen right now I get a weird twitch in my right eye. :P
In other news MS sent streamers test kits too Gothalion, ItMeJP and his partner Aurelian all got units
Oh apparently tons of influencers did but some are saying they were sent retail units?
I’m shocked none of the partners or reviewers have been leaking Xbox stuff so far. The big prior leaks have seen to come from teams working on graphics/collateral.
What do we think the most visually impressive XSX launch game will be? I think it’ll be gears 5 with the 120fps, but my TV only has hdmi 2.0
Wait, there's a different hdmi now? I though 4k and udr or whatever and I was good? Fuck, my tv probably doesn't have anything higher than 2.0
You’ll need 2.1 which has 40ish Gbps to get 4K/hdr/120fps.
HDMI 2.0 will be fine for 4K/60 or 1080/120fps I think at 18Gbps
Gears 5 is not doing 4k at 120fps on the new xbone, that's a pipedream. It doesnt even 80fps on the new 3080 cards at 4k, 2.0 will be fine for a long time.
According to Xbox wire, it’s already over 100fps on XSX and they are working on 120fps. Doesn’t mention exactly 4K, but even 1440p is gonna approach exceeding 2.0 bandwidth in performance mode. Especially when it’s not intensive GPU action. You also completely ignore the benefits of VRR, which is a significant improvement over 2.0 in most games by reducing tearing in multiplayer games.
I agree 2.0 is still fine, especially if people aren’t into esports type games where frames and I frames matter. Heck, 1080p is still “fine”, but there will be real benefits to 2.1 and you’ll see them on launch day if you have the gear.
I have a 2.0 OLED, so I’ll live with 60fps for now but will really miss VRR. Screen tearing bugs the shit outta me.
Well if you change the goalposts from 4k to 2k, then yeah things change and the 3080 can do 120fps and over just fine.
Sony and YouTube Gaming did a thing where they let Jpn content creators capture some PS5 footage and man I just cant help but be disappointed to see the difference between MS and Sony's approach and how lame Sony is being.
MS is all like here is everything and giving press and content creator's mostly final or in the case of content creators final retail units with timed embargos for feature pieces
Sony's is playing it so close to the chest all the footage from this media blast are the same few demos (DMC5 SE, Balan WonderWorld, Astrobot and Godfall) and no console UI or anything.
It's like Sony is afraid were going to find something out.
I guess the easiest way to say it is Im just not "excited" for these launches, and I don't think it has anything to do with covid. The 3rd parties and Sony just seem to be afraid to show anything it feels like unless you want to see more of the same area of GodFall they got a SHITLOAD of that for you to see.
As cool as seeing the Ars Technica and Digital Foundry articles is... none of this immediate pre-release coverage really matters.
I mean, I love reading them, but both consoles are completely sold out so there's no need to drive hype. And actual units will be in the hands of consumers in a month so we're going to know everything really soon in any case.
Sony and YouTube Gaming did a thing where they let Jpn content creators capture some PS5 footage and man I just cant help but be disappointed to see the difference between MS and Sony's approach and how lame Sony is being.
MS is all like here is everything and giving press and content creator's mostly final or in the case of content creators final retail units with timed embargos for feature pieces
Sony's is playing it so close to the chest all the footage from this media blast are the same few demos (DMC5 SE, Balan WonderWorld, Astrobot and Godfall) and no console UI or anything.
It's like Sony is afraid were going to find something out.
I guess the easiest way to say it is Im just not "excited" for these launches, and I don't think it has anything to do with covid. The 3rd parties and Sony just seem to be afraid to show anything it feels like unless you want to see more of the same area of GodFall they got a SHITLOAD of that for you to see.
This is how Sony has always been. At least since the Playstation 2, and possibly earlier. Microsoft was too, when they introduced the original Xbox, but they've gone back and forth (and they've basically had the most open, transparent hardware reveals and launches in console history from the Xbox One X going forward). Sony has been more consistent secretive, especially around hardware launches. This is how the publicly-available information of the PS2's internal specifications before its launch ended up being very inaccurate.
They hate giving "excess information". And there's an argument that for sales that is the better approach. Don't "overwhelm" people with things like technical minutia or what they're actually paying for. Only give enough information to get lure users into a sale, and not enough to have them think twice about it. Maybe that's not great from the customer perspective, but Sony aren't customers, and it's great from a business perspective. So Sony denied the PSFro existed right up until the hardware leaks pouring out, and they refused to show the PSVR breakout box (even though there really wasn't anything to embarrassing of that sort to hide about it). They want to control the information flow, which isn't unique, and they want the minimum information out, which is a little more unique. They've failed quite a few times, but their leak control has gotten much better in the last few years.
The most recent exception to that might've been the Playstation 3 launch, more than a decade ago, and even then...we learned in retrospect, a lot of Sony's willingly-presented "information" was technically useless or even flat-out misleading (like a lot of their pre-launch "console footage"). I wouldn't be surprised if Sony felt burned from that disaster of a launch, "Fine, we decided to be open and we got bitten for it. See if we ever share information with you again. Like how we're going to completely drop Backwards Compatibility from all new hardware after we shared how committed we were to PS2-library support." But that's speculation on my part. Maybe they just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.
Again, none of this "bad" or even exceptional. It's exceptional when companies say, "Hey, here's are hardware, here's how we designed it, and here's a presentation unit that you can even do a full teardown of (on our embargo timetable)," like Microsoft has. Sony had people thinking the PS5 was going to look like a fucking layer cake right up to the hardware reveal, and that's only because their control over dev kit footage leaks failed (as it had with PS3 dev kits). If you want to see an internal teardown of a Playstation 5, well, you better buy one on launch day and take it apart yourself, because that's the only way you're going to do it (as far as I can tell). And to repeat, there's a strong argument that this is the way to do it--though admittedly, it works better when you're revealing a sleek plastic trapezoid then a massive white clam that dwarfs the short employee holding it. They're an industry juggernaut for a reason--they must think they're doing it right.
Sometimes the approach is incredibly slick and masterfully done. And sometimes it comes off like when you announced a bunch of PS5 exclusives, and every one of them has a "COMING TO PC IN SIX MONTHS AND OTHER CONSOLES IN TWELVE" disclaimer at the end of them, and you have to hope that no one was paying attention at that part...which they might not have been.
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I was looking it up, and most of the pertinent questions about it were from many years ago, before the new ones were rolled out.
I just wanted to play around with the tools a bit and see what I could create, but not at the risk of accidentally overwriting my current Avatar, which I'm largely happy with (except they need to bring over my cat, dammit).
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Sony lies all the time. PS3 “footage”, PS5 “exclusives”, pre order warning, generations and games designed for the new controller, backwards compatibility, —- heck they used to rootkit your computer when you put in audio cd’s.
I trust nothing from Sony that hasn’t been 3rd party verified. I am optimistic the console won’t sound like a jet, but until they show it playing a real game I trust nothing. They believe it’s ok to lie and mislead in marketing and I hate it.
I know one thing for certain: all the footage of loading times and frame rates on the XSX has left me not wanting to play a lot of my current gen consoles games until next gen launch.
Everytime I sit at a loading screen right now I get a weird twitch in my right eye. :P
Me too. When I launch No Mans Shy I think “If this was on Quick Resume, I’d be playing now.”
The series X has the same dimensions as two Ones stacked, right ?
Wow, the PS5 is...statuesque ?
It was weird when ign talked about the heft of the XSX “feeling” like $500, especially for a device you don’t actually hold. If they could pack the power of the XSX or PS5 into a 2oz thimble I’d think that was way cooler.
The series X has the same dimensions as two Ones stacked, right ?
Wow, the PS5 is...statuesque ?
Some people are saying that photo is fake. Because the pixels have no reflection on the table, but idk. There's another picture where it looks to be similarly large.
Also apparently now size matters when it comes to consoles because console wars.
Xbox IG account had it right earlier today "No moar console warz"
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The series X has the same dimensions as two Ones stacked, right ?
Wow, the PS5 is...statuesque ?
Some people are saying that photo is fake. Because the pixels have no reflection on the table, but idk. There's another picture where it looks to be similarly large.
Also apparently now size matters when it comes to consoles because console wars.
Xbox IG account had it right earlier today "No moar console warz"
I really wish Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance: Dark Alliance 2 and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance: Dark Alliance 2: Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel were...uh, I lost my train of thought.
edit: Oh, yeah. I wish they were on the Xbox store.
Champions of norrath was better!
@EspantaPajaro I liked Champions of Norrath, but I feel like BGDA and its ilk were...sleeker? Champions of Norrath wasn't as sleek. I don't know if that makes sense.
I really wish Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance: Dark Alliance 2 and Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance: Dark Alliance 2: Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel were...uh, I lost my train of thought.
edit: Oh, yeah. I wish they were on the Xbox store.
Champions of norrath was better!
@EspantaPajaro I liked Champions of Norrath, but I feel like BGDA and its ilk were...sleeker? Champions of Norrath wasn't as sleek. I don't know if that makes sense.
Makes perfect sense champions was a buggy mess , I just really liked it.
it looks like apiece of garbo and I hate that it's gonna be in my house. vs the Series X which looks like a actually nice minimalistic thing that can go on my adult entertainment unit.
IDK, I don't much care what it looks like as it gets slapped under the TV in a piece of furniture and then I barely ever interact directly with it...but the 5 looks goofy. Better than that hilarious V appearance they floated early on though.
The X is uh, pretty understated, being a basic black box and all.
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But with digital signals it's a very small drop in quality, if any at all. Length matters more than anything, but gold plated connecters and such will make no difference. The difference between a monster hdmi cable and one from monoprice is minimal, if there is any at all, unless we're talking about a long cable. With analog, there was a legit difference even if only audiophiles could see it. It was legit measurable though.
It's not a question of quality loss, it's a question of if it works at all.
https://www.cnet.com/news/why-all-hdmi-cables-are-the-same/
A cable that uses the HDMI 2.0 specification is the generally speaking, the same as any other cable that supports the HDMI 2.0 specification.
A cable that uses the HDMI 2.1a specification, however... is not the same as a HDMI 2.0. All the HDMI 2.1a supporting cables however, would be the same.
The difference here is closer to a 12 gauge vs 10 gauge electrical wire, in that a cable that is made to do the HDMI 2.1a spec has a higher bandwidth capacity.
If your device or the cable can't do HDMI 2.1a, then it'd do HDMI 2.0 rates, as they are backward compatible.
edit: Clarification - if your TV doesn't have 2.1a inputs then you're not getting 2.1a quality regardless of cables
Yeah it’s very frustrating. I’m a big early adopter guy and in Australia I’ve never not been able to just walk in and get a console on launch day off the shelf for like the last 15 years, outside of like the switch or something. I managed to preorder the second wave but it said basically “December/who knows”
I think that may actually be part of the difficulty though. You can't really do "walk in" on big purchase items, no more door busters either.
Actually wonder how they are going to safely do Black Friday this November in general.
Gears 5 is not doing 4k at 120fps on the new xbone, that's a pipedream. It doesnt even 80fps on the new 3080 cards at 4k, 2.0 will be fine for a long time.
According to Xbox wire, it’s already over 100fps on XSX and they are working on 120fps. Doesn’t mention exactly 4K, but even 1440p is gonna approach exceeding 2.0 bandwidth in performance mode. Especially when it’s not intensive GPU action. You also completely ignore the benefits of VRR, which is a significant improvement over 2.0 in most games by reducing tearing in multiplayer games.
I agree 2.0 is still fine, especially if people aren’t into esports type games where frames and I frames matter. Heck, 1080p is still “fine”, but there will be real benefits to 2.1 and you’ll see them on launch day if you have the gear.
I have a 2.0 OLED, so I’ll live with 60fps for now but will really miss VRR. Screen tearing bugs the shit outta me.
edit: Oh, yeah. I wish they were on the Xbox store.
There you go, @Jazz . Had to resize it so the forum would allow the upload.
Like I said, nothing too special, but I like how it came out well enough, and had nothing better to use as my background at the moment.
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Champions of norrath was better!
https://www.vg247.com/2020/01/17/next-gen-light-gun-games-shooters-ps5-xbox-series-x/
MS is all like here is everything and giving press and content creator's mostly final or in the case of content creators final retail units with timed embargos for feature pieces
Sony's is playing it so close to the chest all the footage from this media blast are the same few demos (DMC5 SE, Balan WonderWorld, Astrobot and Godfall) and no console UI or anything.
It's like Sony is afraid were going to find something out.
I guess the easiest way to say it is Im just not "excited" for these launches, and I don't think it has anything to do with covid. The 3rd parties and Sony just seem to be afraid to show anything it feels like unless you want to see more of the same area of GodFall they got a SHITLOAD of that for you to see.
Everytime I sit at a loading screen right now I get a weird twitch in my right eye. :P
Quit poking yourself.
Well if you change the goalposts from 4k to 2k, then yeah things change and the 3080 can do 120fps and over just fine.
As cool as seeing the Ars Technica and Digital Foundry articles is... none of this immediate pre-release coverage really matters.
I mean, I love reading them, but both consoles are completely sold out so there's no need to drive hype. And actual units will be in the hands of consumers in a month so we're going to know everything really soon in any case.
This is how Sony has always been. At least since the Playstation 2, and possibly earlier. Microsoft was too, when they introduced the original Xbox, but they've gone back and forth (and they've basically had the most open, transparent hardware reveals and launches in console history from the Xbox One X going forward). Sony has been more consistent secretive, especially around hardware launches. This is how the publicly-available information of the PS2's internal specifications before its launch ended up being very inaccurate.
They hate giving "excess information". And there's an argument that for sales that is the better approach. Don't "overwhelm" people with things like technical minutia or what they're actually paying for. Only give enough information to get lure users into a sale, and not enough to have them think twice about it. Maybe that's not great from the customer perspective, but Sony aren't customers, and it's great from a business perspective. So Sony denied the PSFro existed right up until the hardware leaks pouring out, and they refused to show the PSVR breakout box (even though there really wasn't anything to embarrassing of that sort to hide about it). They want to control the information flow, which isn't unique, and they want the minimum information out, which is a little more unique. They've failed quite a few times, but their leak control has gotten much better in the last few years.
The most recent exception to that might've been the Playstation 3 launch, more than a decade ago, and even then...we learned in retrospect, a lot of Sony's willingly-presented "information" was technically useless or even flat-out misleading (like a lot of their pre-launch "console footage"). I wouldn't be surprised if Sony felt burned from that disaster of a launch, "Fine, we decided to be open and we got bitten for it. See if we ever share information with you again. Like how we're going to completely drop Backwards Compatibility from all new hardware after we shared how committed we were to PS2-library support." But that's speculation on my part. Maybe they just decided it wasn't worth the hassle.
Again, none of this "bad" or even exceptional. It's exceptional when companies say, "Hey, here's are hardware, here's how we designed it, and here's a presentation unit that you can even do a full teardown of (on our embargo timetable)," like Microsoft has. Sony had people thinking the PS5 was going to look like a fucking layer cake right up to the hardware reveal, and that's only because their control over dev kit footage leaks failed (as it had with PS3 dev kits). If you want to see an internal teardown of a Playstation 5, well, you better buy one on launch day and take it apart yourself, because that's the only way you're going to do it (as far as I can tell). And to repeat, there's a strong argument that this is the way to do it--though admittedly, it works better when you're revealing a sleek plastic trapezoid then a massive white clam that dwarfs the short employee holding it. They're an industry juggernaut for a reason--they must think they're doing it right.
Sometimes the approach is incredibly slick and masterfully done. And sometimes it comes off like when you announced a bunch of PS5 exclusives, and every one of them has a "COMING TO PC IN SIX MONTHS AND OTHER CONSOLES IN TWELVE" disclaimer at the end of them, and you have to hope that no one was paying attention at that part...which they might not have been.
I was looking it up, and most of the pertinent questions about it were from many years ago, before the new ones were rolled out.
I just wanted to play around with the tools a bit and see what I could create, but not at the risk of accidentally overwriting my current Avatar, which I'm largely happy with (except they need to bring over my cat, dammit).
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I trust nothing from Sony that hasn’t been 3rd party verified. I am optimistic the console won’t sound like a jet, but until they show it playing a real game I trust nothing. They believe it’s ok to lie and mislead in marketing and I hate it.
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Me too. When I launch No Mans Shy I think “If this was on Quick Resume, I’d be playing now.”
The series X has the same dimensions as two Ones stacked, right ?
Wow, the PS5 is...statuesque ?
It was weird when ign talked about the heft of the XSX “feeling” like $500, especially for a device you don’t actually hold. If they could pack the power of the XSX or PS5 into a 2oz thimble I’d think that was way cooler.
Some people are saying that photo is fake. Because the pixels have no reflection on the table, but idk. There's another picture where it looks to be similarly large.
Also apparently now size matters when it comes to consoles because console wars.
Xbox IG account had it right earlier today "No moar console warz"
Are the disc slots of comparable size?
Series X: 11.8" x 5.94" x 5.94"
PS5: 15.4" x 10.24" x 4.09"
The PS5 is 30% taller than the Series X.
Plus you can lay it down flat and put a small army of Lego mini figures on there.
@EspantaPajaro I liked Champions of Norrath, but I feel like BGDA and its ilk were...sleeker? Champions of Norrath wasn't as sleek. I don't know if that makes sense.
Not that it matters so long as it fits in peoples entertainment centers.
Makes perfect sense champions was a buggy mess , I just really liked it.
Oh, you noticed the table or floor is crooked too?
Crooked? Nowadays, everyone's got some kind of illicit...angle.
it looks like apiece of garbo and I hate that it's gonna be in my house. vs the Series X which looks like a actually nice minimalistic thing that can go on my adult entertainment unit.
The X is uh, pretty understated, being a basic black box and all.
A really big console with a grey power feed and...eyes?
It’s supposed to be a cat tail not a power feed >_>