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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    I tend to overlook the arcade games on Game Pass. Thank you for reminding me.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    The Power Ranger fighting game isn't half bad. I would be pissed if I paid $60 for it, but for free it's kinda fun.

  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    The Power Ranger fighting game isn't half bad. I would be pissed if I paid $60 for it, but for free it's kinda fun.

    It's a $20 game, so it's about where it should be price wise, I think.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    The Power Ranger fighting game isn't half bad. I would be pissed if I paid $60 for it, but for free it's kinda fun.

    It's a $20 game, so it's about where it should be price wise, I think.

    Oh cool! Yeah I'm not into fighting games so I didn't even look at it but since it's on Game Pass I figured I'd give it a shot. $20 is a great price for it.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Oh no... Slay the Spire has it's hooks in me. Oh noooo... I should be sleeping right now but one more run....

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Just read that to play next gen games on the ps5 you need the ps5 controller. That's an oof considering you can use one controllers on the series x without limitation no?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Dayton, OHRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Just read that to play next gen games on the ps5 you need the ps5 controller. That's an oof considering you can use one controllers on the series x without limitation no?

    I bet Sony makes a ton of money on their controllers.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Just read that to play next gen games on the ps5 you need the ps5 controller. That's an oof considering you can use one controllers on the series x without limitation no?

    I bet Sony makes a ton of money on their controllers.

    I imagine controllers are the soft drinks of consoles great profit margins.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Just read that to play next gen games on the ps5 you need the ps5 controller. That's an oof considering you can use one controllers on the series x without limitation no?

    I suspect the PS5 will be sufficiently expensive that requiring you get another controller or two to join the one that's bundled it will probably not attract that much notice. And you'll still be able to use DS4 for Playstation 4 games on the PS5, it's just they won't cover the new titles.

    A bigger point might be I don't think there are that many sufficiently...distinguished? Expensive?...PS4 controllers that people will really want to use on PS5. Meanwhile, it'll probably be a few more years before the Series 2 elite controllers are replaced by Xbox.

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    Synthesis wrote:
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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    I wonder if Sony added the microphone to the PS5 controller just so they could be like "hey, the old controller doesn't have this thing in it, so you gotta have the new one cause all PS5 games have to be able to rely on it being there, sorry (not sorry)."

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    Hmm that last line feels like a reference to something...

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Now bring back aiming down sights, you cowards! :mad:

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
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  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    Its nice that Microsoft is being all mananigmous with crossgen controllers but I think they are *very* far behind the curve with not even supporting gyro. That shit needs to become the standard for all games where you have to aim anything. It would also be nice if they got on the haptic feedback bandwagon with Sony and Nintendo, but it could be that doing anything actually good with the tech requires customization for each controller's physical layout which 3rd parties cannot be arsed to do.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited August 3
    Its nice that Microsoft is being all mananigmous with crossgen controllers but I think they are *very* far behind the curve with not even supporting gyro. That shit needs to become the standard for all games where you have to aim anything. It would also be nice if they got on the haptic feedback bandwagon with Sony and Nintendo, but it could be that doing anything actually good with the tech requires customization for each controller's physical layout which 3rd parties cannot be arsed to do.

    I actually think gyroscope motion sensing is terrible and needs to die the way most motion sensing gameplay mechanics died outside of very specific implementations (like VR--and even then, it's optional), and am relieved by the failure for it to become anyway "standardized" across platforms over the last 15 years of trying by multiple companies, the way it took more than a decade for gamepad layouts to become generally standardized.

    But that's only my opinion. "HD Rumble" on the Switch is dying an ignominious death after the general lack of support from a lot of developers (completely unsurprising) and its total removal from the Switch's first major revision (not as unsurprising), and while the Xbox 360 and One gamepads literally pioneered player force feedback in a gamepad, further improvements to haptic feedback are something I'll welcome with future controller revisions, but not a thing that keeps me up at night (we'll have to see if it's supported any better on the Dualshock 5 than the touchpad, which Sony also described as "fundamentally game changing" on the Dualshock 4, was).

    Back on the Playstation 3, Sony openly suggested that any kind of controller force feedback was widely obsolete (and did not seriously pursue it for the majority of the PS4's lifetime either). They turned out to be wrong, but all the same, there's a lot of wiggle room for developers here to decide whether or not they actually want to take advantage of this technology (to use the example of the PS4, motion controls with the DS4's tracking light actively made games less enjoyable every time I used them, but your mileage will vary).

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    Synthesis wrote:
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  • TexiKenTexiKen Vitamin B! And C! Registered User regular
    I just want the controller to be the controller and not something I have to make conform to the screen. Bad enough that even with the Pro Controller on the Switch you still have to shake and move for certain things like Mario Odyssey or some Zelda puzzles.

    Just make a little screen like a VMU or what might have been on the WiiU controller where it can show a map or health statistics and that's it.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    I love all Dreamcast related things too, to be sure, but given the dominance of multiplatform titles in general, third-party developers being inherently resistant to these sort of measures (hence the state of Kinect and DS4 touchpad support), and especially with ongoing support of the Switch (that is, in terms of performance, more comparable to the Xbox 360 than the Playstation 3), it's not unreasonable to assume a "path of least resistance" when it comes to the controller development path. "Haptic feedback" is a neat concept, but it's coming from the company that insisted the touchpad was going to be a gamechanger for the Vita Playstation 4, had a massive install base to take advantage of for just that, but also decided "Force Feedback is old fashion and obsolete" before deciding to remove it.

    We do know there will be a huge number of Dualshock 4 controllers still in use when the Playstation 5 launches. And we know that Xbox One controllers will work on Xbox Series X (and potentially vice versa). And we know that the new version of the Switch, one that is selling very well, completely dropped the "game changing" HD rumble feature. And, of course, we know the already-discontinued Kinect will not even be supported for legacy purposes on Series X , etc.. You probably couldn't ask for a better environment for developers not to care enough about "haptic feedback" or "gyroscope controls" to actually spend any money or resources into it

    For the platform owners, it's probably a lot easier to simply offer the player a lot more options of usability and quality-of-life improvements that don't rely on developers. This is why the Xbox controller software and the elite controllers have been widely adopted (especially considering the high price point)--they don't rely on developers accounting for additional back panels or controller calibration. It might look kind of odd, but maybe the Dualshock 5 reflects these too, in terms of comfortable and use...and a large touchpad that even Sony has having a hard time finding a use for.

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    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I just want the controller to be the controller and not something I have to make conform to the screen. Bad enough that even with the Pro Controller on the Switch you still have to shake and move for certain things like Mario Odyssey or some Zelda puzzles.

    Just make a little screen like a VMU or what might have been on the WiiU controller where it can show a map or health statistics and that's it.

    I don't even want a little screen. Like I don't to look at my controller, I want to just use it to control fucking games not draw puzzles or swing it over my head or balance shit or whatever else.

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  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    edited August 4
    Preacher wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I just want the controller to be the controller and not something I have to make conform to the screen. Bad enough that even with the Pro Controller on the Switch you still have to shake and move for certain things like Mario Odyssey or some Zelda puzzles.

    Just make a little screen like a VMU or what might have been on the WiiU controller where it can show a map or health statistics and that's it.

    I don't even want a little screen. Like I don't to look at my controller, I want to just use it to control fucking games not draw puzzles or swing it over my head or balance shit or whatever else.
    Nah, myself, I have found second screens pretty handy for a map or inventory or whatever.

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Sony money hatted spiderman again in the upcoming avengers game. Sick of this exclusive shit.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I just want the controller to be the controller and not something I have to make conform to the screen. Bad enough that even with the Pro Controller on the Switch you still have to shake and move for certain things like Mario Odyssey or some Zelda puzzles.

    Just make a little screen like a VMU or what might have been on the WiiU controller where it can show a map or health statistics and that's it.

    I don't even want a little screen. Like I don't to look at my controller, I want to just use it to control fucking games not draw puzzles or swing it over my head or balance shit or whatever else.
    Nah, myself, I have found second screens pretty hand for a map or inventory or whatever.

    You kids with your tik toks and your controllers with motion trackers. BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD A AND B AND WE LOVED IT!

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Sony money hatted spiderman again in the upcoming avengers game. Sick of this exclusive shit.

    Pretty sure that has more to do with Spider-Man still being a SONY film property.

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Sony money hatted spiderman again in the upcoming avengers game. Sick of this exclusive shit.

    Pretty sure that has more to do with Spider-Man still being a SONY film property.

    He was in the switch ultimate alliance game.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Sony money hatted spiderman again in the upcoming avengers game. Sick of this exclusive shit.

    Pretty sure that has more to do with Spider-Man still being a SONY film property.

    I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with that given that the film and game licenses are seperate.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    I am very not envious of the upcoming Avengers game. That may just be me though.
    RickRude wrote: »
    RickRude wrote: »
    Sony money hatted spiderman again in the upcoming avengers game. Sick of this exclusive shit.

    Pretty sure that has more to do with Spider-Man still being a SONY film property.

    He was in the switch ultimate alliance game.

    The earlier two MUA games were on Xbox 360 (and Xbox One later) as well as Playstation platforms. I think happening to feature Spiderman is not the same thing as a Spiderman game.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    edited August 3
    Counterpoint: other than mouse/keyboard, gyro aiming with a stick is 100% the best way to aim in a shooter. It gives the same direct aiming that a mouse does, much more precise than just a stick. You get sweeping aim and movement with a stick, and then precise adjustments and quick snaps with the gyro.
    I do wish the xsx controller had gyro too.

    Also. How did the 360 pad pioneer force feedback if the Dual Shock controllers existed almost a decade before?

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Crippl3 wrote: »
    Also. How did the 360 pad pioneer force feedback if the Dual Shock controllers existed almost a decade before?

    Force Feedback was available on joysticks before even the original Dual Shock controller (not to mention arcades more than a decade before the original Playstation console). "Pioneer" in the sense that it standardized it across every game in the platform, as well as making it feedback for aspects of the UI separate from the game itself. Definitely not invent, sorry if it sounded like I was suggesting that.

    Considering just how successful gyroscope controls have turned on on the Switch (and how well received they are on PS4), well, they may take another crack at it with the new consoles. I will not miss it personally (and I suspect it's going to catch on just as well as it did on the Wii U).

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    RickRude wrote: »
    Sony money hatted spiderman again in the upcoming avengers game. Sick of this exclusive shit.

    Pretty sure that has more to do with Spider-Man still being a SONY film property.

    I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with that given that the film and game licenses are seperate.

    I didn't say the movie license granted exclusivity. I suggested the reason was related.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited August 3
    Iirc insomniac was approached by Marvel to make a game, and they (Insomniac) specifically chose Spider-Man. It just so happened to end up as a PS4 exclusive, it wasn't conceived as one.

    Sony may have gotten "first dibs" and they would have been stupid to not take it

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited August 3
    RickRude wrote: »
    Sony money hatted spiderman again in the upcoming avengers game. Sick of this exclusive shit.

    Pretty sure that has more to do with Spider-Man still being a SONY film property.

    I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with that given that the film and game licenses are seperate.

    I didn't say the movie license granted exclusivity. I suggested the reason was related.

    I didn't say you said that. I said that their seperate because they're two unrelated licenses.

    IIRC, Marvel gave Insomniac their choice of characters to work with and they chose Spider-Man; it wasn't a mandate from elsewhere within Sony to utilize the character.
    Insomniac was given the choice of using any character from Marvel's catalog to work on; Spider-Man was chosen both for his appeal to the employees and the similarities in traversal gameplay to their previous game Sunset Overdrive (2014).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_(2018_video_game)

    Unfortunately that page is not well sourced and I forget where I learned that information previously.

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  • NitsuaNitsua Gloucester, VARegistered User regular
    edited August 4
    Xbox one controllers have additional rumble feedback for the triggers, which is used to great affect in Forza games.... and nowhere else. I can imagine they aren’t keen on adding anything more to the controllers that will be unused by the majority of games produced.

    Edit: changed tumblr to rumble. Autocorrect got me. *sigh*

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  • Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    edited August 4
    Microsoft did a developer talk about touch controls for xCloud, and the Coalition talked about what they're doing for Gears 5 (skip to 39:35)


    Devs can make totally custom touch panels and button layouts with support for all kinds of stuff, for example in cutscenes all the buttons disappear while you're watching, or having buttons bring up other buttons like pressing a weapon swap button brings up the D-pad and then hides it again when it's done. Also, gyro aiming support!

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  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Man the load times in Prey are something awful

  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited August 4
    Its nice that Microsoft is being all mananigmous with crossgen controllers but I think they are *very* far behind the curve with not even supporting gyro. That shit needs to become the standard for all games where you have to aim anything
    is this like a joke post or something?

    Any sort of gyro aiming is the first thing I turn off in nintendo games
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Back on the Playstation 3, Sony openly suggested that any kind of controller force feedback was widely obsolete

    lol no not really. they lost their patent and weren't allowed to put rumble in the original sixaxis, as soon as they were able to a yearish later they immediately put out the dualshock 3 and got rid of the sixaxis controller. everything they "said" around launch of the ps3 was just a bullshit line since they couldn't have rumble

    edit - i know you already replied to this but
    Synthesis wrote: »
    while the Xbox 360 and One gamepads literally pioneered player force feedback in a gamepad
    this is so wrong I don't even, and it's not because of what was referenced to, it was because of the Rumble Pak for the N64 and star fox. Immediately after that every game worth it's salt had rumble and used the rumble pak...

    edit - jesus look at this list https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_64_games_with_Rumble_Pak_support

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  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    "Force feedback" technically describes something other than the rumble we've seen in controllers, which would be considered "haptic feedback." You see force feedback in racing wheels that can push back to accurately reflect the real world forces a car would be feeling during a turn or in adverse weather situations.

    And Sony didn't put rumble in the Sixaxis because the technology's patent owner successfully sued them for using it in the PS1 and PS2 controllers, they never had a patent to begin with. Microsoft also got sued, but instead of fighting they settled right away. Nintendo didn't get sued because they didn't use the same style of rumble the other two did. Regardless, Sony fought and lost and ended up paying four times as much as Microsoft when it came to licensing the rumble technology for the DualShock 3, which came out right after they finally settled.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Microsoft apparently bought a 10% share of the company as part of the settlement. That's really funny.

  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    For what it's worth, I seem to recall liking gyro aiming, as I'm really not very good at FPS-type coordination and such.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    lol no not really. they lost their patent and weren't allowed to put rumble in the original sixaxis, as soon as they were able to a yearish later they immediately put out the dualshock 3 and got rid of the sixaxis controller. everything they "said" around launch of the ps3 was just a bullshit line since they couldn't have rumble

    So in other words, they did say it. It's fine to take companies at their words and call them out on it, we do it all the time with Microsoft in this thread. :lol:

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    To briefly depart from the clearly inevitable future of gryoscope motion controls, this is kind of a big thing for anyone on the fast preview group of the Insider Build: the new storefront will be launching on XB1 this week.



    This is going to presumably be what the storefront looks like on Series X and Series S, and thus worth getting used to. Don't be abruptly surprised (like I am with every preview update).


    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Also, I incorrectly thought that Marvel's Avengers (2020) was a Playstation exclusive title, whereas it's multiplatform, it's just that Spiderman is only available for it on Sony's platforms.

    I'm not well informed on the game. Also, I think it looks kind of ugly and have no interest in playing it, but I can understand the annoyance. I presume that specific character will be kind of a peripheral part of the game though, considering his exclusivity.

    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    In the end the deal makes sense, business-wise, but the Spidey thing was annoying enough when it was just the mainline games becoming exclusive to PS4/5. Now it feels Sony is saying "wanna play Spidey? Well you can't do it on Xbox." Which imo is a big dick move. I was teetering on the edge with the Avengers game, I wanted to be hype and love it every step of the way, but it has just been a master class in How Not To Handle A Billion Dollar Franchise. Ugly, bland character design, MCU-adjacent but not MCU inspired plot, gameplay that looks fun but also somehow highly scripted? And now this. I almost always get multiplayer, multi platform games for my Xbox since my friends are majority there. Seems so ass backwards to force me to either buy it twice or just once and sacrifice either my favorite character or my friends list... Which wouldn't be an issue if Sony enabled crossplay out of the box like the other two did.

    Fuck sake I hate Sony for paying for this shit and I hate Squeenix for doing it, I'd rather have no spiderman than this crap. Its not even a timed exclusive like the destiny stuff was either, just forever locked to one version.

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