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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Good.

    Just a reminder, this happened previously in Canadian Forces PR news:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/military-hate-allowed-to-stay-1.5363991

    The article is a bit light on what counselling the guilty parties were ordered to follow. I mean, someone who belongs to a hate group has been radicalized, which is a form of brainwashing. If the counselling helps de-program them, then this was the right solution. Certainly better than just discharging them and letting them go back to their radical groups to share their knowledge and training.

    Agreed, I was just trying to help us remember the Proud Boys and the Canadian Forces have a history, so coming out officially swinging at their image and message like this is good news.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »

    I was shocked that the CBC took such a bold stance against the conservatives, until I read the subtitle: "The Alberta premier may veer into hyperbole, but his general point still stands."

    No you fucking collaborator mouthpiece, it's not hyperbole, it's bold-faced lying, and his point is bullshit, as evidenced from the fact he's supporting it by fucking lying to the public.

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  • Space PickleSpace Pickle Registered User regular
    Ontario at 797 new cases today.

  • AegisAegis Not Quite TorontoRegistered User regular
    Ontario at 797 new cases today.

    And Thanksgiving is this weekend. This is going to be a long month.

    We'll see how long this blog lasts
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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Ontario at 797 new cases today.

    Are Ontario and Quebec having a fucking competition for new high scores?

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Ontario at 797 new cases today.

    Are Ontario and Quebec having a fucking competition for new high scores?
    It's that or, you know, actually trying to limit the spread. Since limiting the spread would cost money, to prevent mass bankruptcy/starvation ...

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  • Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited October 8
    Yeah, today I cancelled my thanksgiving plans. Now is not the time to be having these kinds of gatherings.

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  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Yeah, I can't even imagine being in one of the more "on fire" places and going through with it. My partner's parents just cancelled coming down for it from NB because her dad works in one of the hospitals that has helped deal with the recent outbreak in a Moncton nursing home. Stay safe, everyone. :(

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  • Space PickleSpace Pickle Registered User regular
    Ontario is expected to break 900 new cases today...

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    So in a non-covid good-news-bad-news kinda thing, D'Amours is out as Québec's Indigenous Affairs minister. Her tenure is most notable for being a woman and thus balancing cabinet, and for shelving a report last year about racism and discrimination in the Québec Healthcare System. She is being replaced by a former Montreal police inspector.

    For those keeping score, the two CAQ ministers to fail spectacularly and be demoted so far have both been women and been in charge of the Environment and Indigenous Affairs, while the man in charge of Immigration, who notably "cleared the backlog" by cancelling thousands of applications without review, stripped current foreign students of the path to citizenship they were promised when they came here, and created a list of "economic priority domains" for the admission of foreign students without any external consultation which was immediately contested by every college and university in the province, has been promoted to a more important ministry.

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    We can say what we want about the CAQ, but it does shows that Québec is truly integrated in the great western anglosphere, despite the different languages.


    Fuck.

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  • HandkorHandkor Registered User regular
    My whole street stayed quiet for Thanksgiving, I expected at least someone to host a big family gathering. We did the whole turkey and everything, we made enough for two families so now we have a solid week of leftovers. We even had a pox infested blanket to throw around since my youngest caught a small cold from school.

  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    So I went and got tested last week as a precaution before surgery; initially I thought (and they said) I'd have to line up like a chump at a local testing centre which meant getting up at 5am to lineup in my car for 6am, to get a ticket at 9am to come back around noon. The hospital called me back the next day and said they had to do a covid screener and I mentioned the test and she said, "Oh no, no no no - come in and get tested here! I'll get the appointment book!" A few minutes later I had an appointment at the start of the week for 4pm. I showed up, screened, washed up and went in and checked in with the desk. Sat down, before I could get my phone out they came and got me and proceeded to stroke my brain via my nose (doctor, i smell burnt toast) which was unpleasant. But a lot less unpleasant than sitting in my car for three hours in line outside a community centre.

    The changed one testing centre (out of two locally) to appointment only for I think infants, pre-op patients and indigenous. Didn't quite follow why on the last one, but whatever. When I called...mailbox full. Glad the hospital was able to do it.

    Naturally, the day before surgery I get a call with callerid of the hosptital and my first thought is fuck me, I gots the 'rona! But no, they just wanted to remind me to come in the next day and go under the knife - good thing, I had totally forgo...oh wait, no, no I hadn't. I'm sure some doofuses do though.

    My wife couldn't come with of course, so my co-worker drove across town and gave me a lift over; they said they'd keep me overnight but a few hours later they gave me the boot. So my co-worker came back and called a number letting them know she was there to pick me up and they wheeled me out. The only snag during all of this was that the patient only elevator was constantly full of handymen and service carts so we had to wait 2-3 times until an empty car showed up.

    Total cost, zilch of course. Thank you socialized medicine!

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    The changed one testing centre (out of two locally) to appointment only for I think infants, pre-op patients and indigenous. Didn't quite follow why on the last one, but whatever.

    I can tell you why on the last one, even before the pandemic, the numbers on outcomes for First Nations people are not good.

    This was from a couple years ago:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/indigenous-people-live-15-years-less-philpott-briefing-1.4500307

    Basicly, First Nations more often than not have conditions throughout their lives that we contribute to that hurt them more often than the rest of us.

    Its why when this pandemic really started to get medical officials on notice around Canada, many First Nations led the charge on locking down, setting up road blocks at the entrances to their communities. To some degree, due to past pandemics in our history, they remember how hard the previous pandemics hit too.

    If they are trying to give First Nations better screening, it may also be in part because it helps with remote community travel too.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    The changed one testing centre (out of two locally) to appointment only for I think infants, pre-op patients and indigenous. Didn't quite follow why on the last one, but whatever.

    I can tell you why on the last one, even before the pandemic, the numbers on outcomes for First Nations people are not good.

    This was from a couple years ago:

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/indigenous-people-live-15-years-less-philpott-briefing-1.4500307

    Basicly, First Nations more often than not have conditions throughout their lives that we contribute to that hurt them more often than the rest of us.

    Its why when this pandemic really started to get medical officials on notice around Canada, many First Nations led the charge on locking down, setting up road blocks at the entrances to their communities. To some degree, due to past pandemics in our history, they remember how hard the previous pandemics hit too.

    If they are trying to give First Nations better screening, it may also be in part because it helps with remote community travel too.

    First Nations have a long, bloody history with pandemics and have rightly been very proactive.

    Wish we would follow their lead

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »

    At first I thought the forums just ate it, but that tweet seems to be legit missing.

    So, uh... what was it?

    (a friendly reminder to cite sources and copy/paste tweet contents, or at least a basic description if it's video)

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Forar wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »

    At first I thought the forums just ate it, but that tweet seems to be legit missing.

    So, uh... what was it?

    (a friendly reminder to cite sources and copy/paste tweet contents, or at least a basic description if it's video)

    A mob of lobster fishermen attacked two First Nations lobster fishermen. RCMP show up hours late and escort them out without their lobsters, which are later found poisoned.

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  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    edited October 14
    Went looking for more info on this and all I've come up with is this one other report on a local site which legit won't load right now (Database error literally everywhere on their site). Maybe they're just swamped. I tried a few more times and got in. Link.
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    Certainly curious to see what more pops up today.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Forar wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »

    At first I thought the forums just ate it, but that tweet seems to be legit missing.

    So, uh... what was it?

    (a friendly reminder to cite sources and copy/paste tweet contents, or at least a basic description if it's video)

    sorry, posting from mobile and my connection is so spotty i wasn't sure if it was loading or deleted

    as it is I'm not seeing more information on what happened, but it was reported as another group of fishermen burning a native van and destroying their lobster catch

    Indigenous fishers in N.S. have lobster taken, van burned as tensions heighten: chief

    “My reaction is, I can’t believe how they are getting away with these terrorist, hate crime acts and the police are there,”

    https://t.co/D8RpJpRsWB

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    “My reaction is, I can’t believe how they are getting away with these terrorist, hate crime acts and the police are there,”

    This is my shocked face.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Though I guess we should be happy that our cops are only passively allowing hate crimes to happen right in front of them, instead of actively committing them like they do in the US. Yay Canada...

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Though I guess we should be happy that our cops are only passively allowing hate crimes to happen right in front of them, instead of actively committing them like they do in the US. Yay Canada...

    The way that most of the police unions are enthusiastically supporting Trump would prevent me from sleeping if I was American.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Sounds like the the fishery situation is slowly exploding over in NS. Been many incidents leading up to this. Given the state of the fisheries in general this is not a surprise. Shit has been bad for as long as I can remember and nothing I've read on the situation in NS with lobster over the last few years has suggested that that specific industry breaks that trend.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Though I guess we should be happy that our cops are only passively allowing hate crimes to happen right in front of them, instead of actively committing them like they do in the US. Yay Canada...

    The way that most of the police unions are enthusiastically supporting Trump would prevent me from sleeping if I was American.

    I fully expect police forces across the US to confiscate and destroy mail-in ballots before they're counted on election night because of some bullshit "fraud" reason.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Though I guess we should be happy that our cops are only passively allowing hate crimes to happen right in front of them, instead of actively committing them like they do in the US. Yay Canada...

    The way that most of the police unions are enthusiastically supporting Trump would prevent me from sleeping if I was American.

    I fully expect police forces across the US to confiscate and destroy mail-in ballots before they're counted on election night because of some bullshit "fraud" reason.

    Yeah, I would not be surprised.

    Can't lie I'm about 90% sure that the election will cause blood in the streets. My biggest hope is that it does not bleed up here,

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »

    At first I thought the forums just ate it, but that tweet seems to be legit missing.

    So, uh... what was it?

    (a friendly reminder to cite sources and copy/paste tweet contents, or at least a basic description if it's video)

    A mob of lobster fishermen attacked two First Nations lobster fishermen. RCMP show up hours late and escort them out without their lobsters, which are later found poisoned.

    Do you have a citation on the lobsters being poisoned?

    The article on the matter that Brolo shared says nothing about that.

    Or are these multiple events?

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Sounds like the the fishery situation is slowly exploding over in NS. Been many incidents leading up to this. Given the state of the fisheries in general this is not a surprise. Shit has been bad for as long as I can remember and nothing I've read on the situation in NS with lobster over the last few years has suggested that that specific industry breaks that trend.

    The fishery had actually been doing pretty well for a while now, with lobster in particular booming. It's pretty recent that the triple punch of declining Canada-China relations, US protectionism, and the pandemic, have shaken it.

    But yes, it's awful to see some reacting to these setbacks in just about the worst possible way, scapegoating and senselessly attacking Mi'kmaq fishermen. There definitely needs to be something done about this before it escalates any more than it already has.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Sounds like the the fishery situation is slowly exploding over in NS. Been many incidents leading up to this. Given the state of the fisheries in general this is not a surprise. Shit has been bad for as long as I can remember and nothing I've read on the situation in NS with lobster over the last few years has suggested that that specific industry breaks that trend.

    The fishery had actually been doing pretty well for a while now, with lobster in particular booming. It's pretty recent that the triple punch of declining Canada-China relations, US protectionism, and the pandemic, have shaken it.

    But yes, it's awful to see some reacting to these setbacks in just about the worst possible way, scapegoating and senselessly attacking Mi'kmaq fishermen. There definitely needs to be something done about this before it escalates any more than it already has.

    What I was reading seemed to suggest there were issues a few years ago but then this year started off well before just dying because of 2020's clusterfuck of clusterfucks.

  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Forar wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »

    At first I thought the forums just ate it, but that tweet seems to be legit missing.

    So, uh... what was it?

    (a friendly reminder to cite sources and copy/paste tweet contents, or at least a basic description if it's video)

    A mob of lobster fishermen attacked two First Nations lobster fishermen. RCMP show up hours late and escort them out without their lobsters, which are later found poisoned.

    Do you have a citation on the lobsters being poisoned?

    The article on the matter that Brolo shared says nothing about that.

    Or are these multiple events?
    The article I shared mentioned that PVC cement had been sprayed on the lobster that wasn't taken.

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    That's 'just' destroying the catch, which certainly lends credence to those idiots and their "BuT It'S JuSt AbOuT CoNsErVaTiOn" talking point.

    One of the local accounts does suggest the mob cut power to the building, which would have asphyxiated a bunch of them.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    I'm not sure if that was supposed to be sarcastic but it does lend credence to that angle. This seems to be entirely about stopping them from lobster fishing. Right from the start this whole thing, at the local level, seems to have been a matter of "If we can't fish, why can they?". And restrictions on the fishery (times, amount caught, etc) generally run through conservation issues so that ties it all in. "We can't fish because it would deplete the stock, but they can, ergo they are depleting the stock or lowering quotas in the future and taking lobster right out of our hands" and shit like that.

    And then, of course, you just add a creamy layer of racism on top of the whole thing.

  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    The conservation argument is complete bullshit. The Mi'kmaw traps are outnumbered fifteen hundred to one by everyone else's, and the ratio's not going to shift terribly far from that no matter what all the slippery-slopers insist.

    The assholes burning boats and, as of last night, attempting to murder people - I love how people are falling all over themselves around here to dance around that little issue - will scream that argument until they're blue in the face, but a lifetime in this province leaves me absolutely convinced their objection is more about who is doing the fishing than how they're doing it.

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    The conservation argument is complete bullshit. The Mi'kmaw traps are outnumbered fifteen hundred to one by everyone else's, and the ratio's not going to shift terribly far from that no matter what all the slippery-slopers insist.

    The assholes burning boats and, as of last night, attempting to murder people - I love how people are falling all over themselves around here to dance around that little issue - will scream that argument until they're blue in the face, but a lifetime in this province leaves me absolutely convinced their objection is more about who is doing the fishing than how they're doing it.

    The other reason the conservation argument is complete bullshit is that conservation laws and regulations applies to the First Nations too. Essentially, they have a part of the overall quota. That's it.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    The conservation argument is complete bullshit. The Mi'kmaw traps are outnumbered fifteen hundred to one by everyone else's, and the ratio's not going to shift terribly far from that no matter what all the slippery-slopers insist.

    The assholes burning boats and, as of last night, attempting to murder people - I love how people are falling all over themselves around here to dance around that little issue - will scream that argument until they're blue in the face, but a lifetime in this province leaves me absolutely convinced their objection is more about who is doing the fishing than how they're doing it.

    The other reason the conservation argument is complete bullshit is that conservation laws and regulations applies to the First Nations too. Essentially, they have a part of the overall quota. That's it.

    Isn't that the issue that the fisherman have? That they are now taking a larger part of the quota?

    Not defending those assholes just from what I have read.

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited October 14
    Disco11 wrote: »
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    The conservation argument is complete bullshit. The Mi'kmaw traps are outnumbered fifteen hundred to one by everyone else's, and the ratio's not going to shift terribly far from that no matter what all the slippery-slopers insist.

    The assholes burning boats and, as of last night, attempting to murder people - I love how people are falling all over themselves around here to dance around that little issue - will scream that argument until they're blue in the face, but a lifetime in this province leaves me absolutely convinced their objection is more about who is doing the fishing than how they're doing it.

    The other reason the conservation argument is complete bullshit is that conservation laws and regulations applies to the First Nations too. Essentially, they have a part of the overall quota. That's it.

    Isn't that the issue that the fisherman have? That they are now taking a larger part of the quota?

    Not defending those assholes just from what I have read.

    The Mi'kmaws' quota is an approximation error compared to the overall quota. One is at the "industrial" level, the other is more at the "get a few nice meals" level.
    If the other fishers want to get a larger share of the quota, thunderdoming each other would be much more efficient.

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Disco11 wrote: »
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    The conservation argument is complete bullshit. The Mi'kmaw traps are outnumbered fifteen hundred to one by everyone else's, and the ratio's not going to shift terribly far from that no matter what all the slippery-slopers insist.

    The assholes burning boats and, as of last night, attempting to murder people - I love how people are falling all over themselves around here to dance around that little issue - will scream that argument until they're blue in the face, but a lifetime in this province leaves me absolutely convinced their objection is more about who is doing the fishing than how they're doing it.

    The other reason the conservation argument is complete bullshit is that conservation laws and regulations applies to the First Nations too. Essentially, they have a part of the overall quota. That's it.

    Isn't that the issue that the fisherman have? That they are now taking a larger part of the quota?

    Not defending those assholes just from what I have read.

    The Mi'kmaws' quota is an approximation error compared to the overall quota. One is at the "industrial" level, the other is more at the "get a few nice meals" level.
    If the other fishers want to get a larger share of the quota, thunderdoming each other would be much more efficient.

    You forget the wonderful human trait of finding an "other" to blame.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited October 14
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    The conservation argument is complete bullshit. The Mi'kmaw traps are outnumbered fifteen hundred to one by everyone else's, and the ratio's not going to shift terribly far from that no matter what all the slippery-slopers insist.

    The assholes burning boats and, as of last night, attempting to murder people - I love how people are falling all over themselves around here to dance around that little issue - will scream that argument until they're blue in the face, but a lifetime in this province leaves me absolutely convinced their objection is more about who is doing the fishing than how they're doing it.

    Yeah, but that assumes you know that.

    The question of "How much can we fish?" is always important to people who's livelihoods come from fishing and for whom regulation of that practice has basically been one of the primary drivers of how good or bad that industry is as a form of stable income. And you can't separate that from conservation policy because that's basically the biggest factor determining how much you can or cannot fish.

    And while it may be true that the ultimately the first nations fishing here is too small to be relevant to the overall rules and quotas, that's not as relevant as what feels true to the people on the ground. Which is frequently what will drive their actions. When who gets to fish, how much and when drives so much of your own livelihood and view of yourself, the government saying "You can't fish, but those people can" is very likely to make you mad. And that's a situation the government (provincial, federal, local) is going to need to manage here. It's not an unpredictable outcome.

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