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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    The conservation argument is complete bullshit. The Mi'kmaw traps are outnumbered fifteen hundred to one by everyone else's, and the ratio's not going to shift terribly far from that no matter what all the slippery-slopers insist.

    The assholes burning boats and, as of last night, attempting to murder people - I love how people are falling all over themselves around here to dance around that little issue - will scream that argument until they're blue in the face, but a lifetime in this province leaves me absolutely convinced their objection is more about who is doing the fishing than how they're doing it.

    Yeah, but that assumes you know that.

    The question of "How much can we fish?" is always important to people who's livelihoods come from fishing and for whom regulation of that practice has basically been one of the primary drivers of how good or bad that industry is as a form of stable income. And you can't separate that from conservation policy because that's basically the biggest factor determining how much you can or cannot fish.

    And while it may be true that the ultimately the first nations fishing here is too small to be relevant to the overall rules and quotas, that's not as relevant as what feels true to the people on the ground. Which is frequently what will drive their actions. When who gets to fish, how much and when drives so much of your own livelihood and view of yourself, the government saying "You can't fish, but those people can" is very likely to make you mad. And that's a situation the government (provincial, federal, local) is going to need to manage here. It's not an unpredictable outcome.

    It's not, and that's part of the problem.

    The Mi'kmaw have been doing their best to work within the system, according to the law. Their efforts have been made in good faith. Their current actions are within the law as proscribed by the Supreme Court of Canada.

    The government has dropped the ball (Either through inattention, or intentional malfeasance), and is the sole cause of the current state.

    And now the government is failing to protect Canadian citizens from criminals as part of that inattention or intentional malfeasance.

    Considering the cause of the current state of affairs is the federal government, these assholes attacking indigenous who are acting entirely within the law, and being able to do so with fucking impunity is inarguably racist. This whole thing has me so incredibly angry because it was so avoidable, and it is such a clear dereliction of duty by the department of fisheries and the fucking RCMP.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Forar wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »

    At first I thought the forums just ate it, but that tweet seems to be legit missing.

    So, uh... what was it?

    (a friendly reminder to cite sources and copy/paste tweet contents, or at least a basic description if it's video)

    A mob of lobster fishermen attacked two First Nations lobster fishermen. RCMP show up hours late and escort them out without their lobsters, which are later found poisoned.

    Do you have a citation on the lobsters being poisoned?

    The article on the matter that Brolo shared says nothing about that.

    Or are these multiple events?
    The article I shared mentioned that PVC cement had been sprayed on the lobster that wasn't taken.

    That explains why a glance at the article doesn’t include the word “poison” then. Thanks for pointing that out.

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    edited October 14
    shryke wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    The conservation argument is complete bullshit. The Mi'kmaw traps are outnumbered fifteen hundred to one by everyone else's, and the ratio's not going to shift terribly far from that no matter what all the slippery-slopers insist.

    The assholes burning boats and, as of last night, attempting to murder people - I love how people are falling all over themselves around here to dance around that little issue - will scream that argument until they're blue in the face, but a lifetime in this province leaves me absolutely convinced their objection is more about who is doing the fishing than how they're doing it.

    Yeah, but that assumes you know that.

    ...Yes?

    It is impossible to not know that while being the least bit aware of how the province's lobster fishery works, much less participate directly in it. It was impossible before the entire province spent months rehashing the numbers over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, and it's even more impossible now.

    The people in that idiotic mob aren't ignorant; they're wilfully obtuse at the very best. Every one of them knows full well that they tried to kill someone last night because about a thousand fisher are cranky at five(5) people getting a license.

    There's a reason a lot of the rhetoric around here has moved off from claims about conservation and into "but special rights!" or "treaties are unfair!" wharrgarbl in the last few weeks.

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Look at how the RCMP framed their press release in regards to this:

    https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2020/rcmp-investigates-threats-and-mischief

    Well, arson, assault, and more ... apparently = "mischief"
    Upon arrival, officers observed approximately 200 people in the area and worked to de-escalate the situation and disperse the group. Unfortunately events escalated with further damages incurred.

    "Unfortunately", god that phrasing pisses me off, like they are just "Oops, what are you going to do, shit happens". Either this is a mealy mouthed attempt to play down malice on the part of RCMP letting this happen or an admission of ineptitude at their fucking jobs.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Look at how the RCMP framed their press release in regards to this:

    https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2020/rcmp-investigates-threats-and-mischief

    Well, arson, assault, and more ... apparently = "mischief"
    Upon arrival, officers observed approximately 200 people in the area and worked to de-escalate the situation and disperse the group. Unfortunately events escalated with further damages incurred.

    "Unfortunately", god that phrasing pisses me off, like they are just "Oops, what are you going to do, shit happens". Either this is a mealy mouthed attempt to play down malice on the part of RCMP letting this happen or an admission of ineptitude at their fucking jobs.

    Mischief is as far as I can tell a specific offence within the criminal code, which is why they are using it. Which I thought was pretty obvious from the phrasing, just because no one would use that word that way otherwise because it's just a weird way for anyone to say that.
    430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully

    (a) destroys or damages property;

    (b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;

    (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or

    (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.
    https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-430.html
    It seems to be the specific legal term for damaging property the way they did.

    And the "unfortunately" there makes perfect sense because it's relating to the preceding sentence. They tried to de-escalate the situation and disperse the crowd but they were not able to, which was unfortunate.

    Whether or not they were incompetent at their jobs the report itself seems pretty innocuous in the bland and formal way these things always are.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    From instagram, here is footage showing settlers in “Nova Scotia” building spike strips to damage Mi’kmaq vehicles. This has to be stopped.

    no other sources on this so far

  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    So if my calculator for CRB only has me at a 48% income loss instead of 50% , I should still be ok to apply since I am coming no where near the 38k earning for repayment? I don't know what to do at this point if I can't get this assistance either, everything card and account is maxed out, and nothing really left to sell that's worth anything.

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  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    edited October 17
    So the lobster pound where those two men were blockaded by a mob the other day has totally non-suspiciously burned down in the early hours of this morning.
    Something has gotta give here. The volume of blatant damage to property and threats on lives is fucking absurd compared to the response it has gotten and there somehow being no arrests.

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  • CraigopogoCraigopogo Registered User regular
    So the lobster pound where those two men were blockaded by a mob the other day has totally non-suspiciously burned down in the early hours of this morning.
    Something has gotta give here. The volume of blatant damage to property and threats on lives is fucking absurd compared to the response it has gotten and there somehow being no arrests.

    "Reached early Saturday morning, Nova Scotia RCMP said they were unaware of the incident."

    Are you fucking kidding me. I mean, no, of course not. Jesus fucking christ

  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    I knew about that and the huge fire department response on the radio's half-hourly news reports, overnight, hours before the RCMP admitted to being aware it was going on at all. There is a zero percent chance they didn't know about it within minutes.

    Every single RCMP officer whose job involves tht part of the province in the slightest way is an accomplice to this, as far as I'm concerned.

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    That’s some cool terrorism those people are engaged in over there.....

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    edited October 17
    I saw it suggested, and think it's a good idea - people should boycott non-indigenous Nova Scotia lobster until perpetrators are arrested and the RCMP does their job and protects the fishers being terrorized.

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  • AegisAegis Not Quite TorontoRegistered User regular
    How the fuck do you not have constant police presence around a building like that after all of the incidents of domestic terrorism leading up to it?

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Aegis wrote: »
    How the fuck do you not have constant police presence around a building like that after all of the incidents of domestic terrorism leading up to it?

    I mean, I've been seeing this a lot, and it's kind of obvious and easy, but... "Some of those that work forces, are the ones who burn crosses."

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    How the fuck do you not have constant police presence around a building like that after all of the incidents of domestic terrorism leading up to it?

    I mean, I've been seeing this a lot, and it's kind of obvious and easy, but... "Some of those that work forces, are the ones who burn crosses."

    Contender for anthem of the year.

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    edited October 17
    My apologies to MEC, but I think this calls for a thread title change at the very least.

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Aegis wrote: »
    How the fuck do you not have constant police presence around a building like that after all of the incidents of domestic terrorism leading up to it?

    For the police to bother with a presence they'd have to see the violence as a problem.

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    edited October 18
    As infuriating as the fishery situation is, at least the municipal elections in the province tonight seem like a breath of fresh air. The fascist mayoral candidate and Qanoner council candidate, along with a bunch of techbro-type "cars/lower taxes/supporting the police is the only thing that matters" types, got fairly nicely routed in a pile of races, and the result in Halifax looks like it's going to be a much nicer mix of views and backgrounds for a change. We even got one of those zillion-way free-for-all contests that provide some nice ammo to beat "but what does a handful of votes even matter?" types with. (One riding's dealing with a margin of about 30 votes right now.)

    Really the one important thing to me is the worst politician in the city got destroyed, and had to leave his council seat to receive that destruction, so we don't have to hear from him anymore, or at least until he does something like show up on the PPC ticket in the next federal election.

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  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    edited October 18
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    As infuriating as the fishery situation is, at least the municipal elections in the province tonight seem like a breath of fresh air. The fascist mayoral candidate and Qanoner council candidate, along with a bunch of techbro-type "cars/lower taxes/supporting the police is the only thing that matters" types, got fairly nicely routed in a pile of races, and the result in Halifax looks like it's going to be a much nicer mix of views and backgrounds for a change. We even got one of those zillion-way free-for-all contests that provide some nice ammo to beat "but what does a handful of votes even matter?" types with. (One riding's dealing with a margin of about 30 votes right now.)

    Really the one important thing to me is the worst politician in the city got destroyed, and had to leave his council seat to receive that destruction, so we don't have to hear from him anymore, or at least until he does something like show up on the PPC ticket in the next federal election.
    We voted for Max and kind of hoped he'd get a bit more of the vote, but also ... kid is 22, running for the first time, and got 85% of the votes that Whitman did (10.5k to 12k). It's a pretty great performance and his main campaign goal genuinely seemed to pan out (he ran because he wanted to encourage more people to vote, and we had a record turnout [whether because of him or not - he claims no credit]).
    Also going from two to seven female councilors is *big thumbs up*.

    ... Now to just do something about the parts of this province that aren't the HRM <_<

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Thank you. I needed some political good news. It feels like its been a long time!

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  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular

    I voted for one of those women, Iona Stoddard!

    It’s a pretty encouraging sign to me that a black woman can win pretty decisively in a suburban neighborhood as white as this one.

    People on the Internet are more discourteous than in the real world because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    Stoddard sounds kind of great too.

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited October 19
    So I did a lot of driving yesterday, and put on Radio-Canada (CBC in French) while I did.

    I caught one interview with two very wealthy young people who are part of a movement to create an inheritance tax in Canada (apparently we're the only G7 nation not to have one??) for estates above $1.6M. The CBC host went out of her way to remind listeners about how young these people are. How amazing it is that you're doing this while being so young. What great financial insight you have for someone so young. It's so great to see social involvement by people so young. If there was any subtlety to her contemptuous message of "don't worry, they're just silly kids going through a phase, they'll mature and grow out of it", it was shed when she asked about private charitable donations by the super-rich only to be answered by these "young people" that these donations are always reported in cash value to hide the fact they represent a minuscule percentage of the wealth of the super-rich and that, in actual ratio of wealth, the middle-class actually donates to charity a lot more than the super-rich do. You'd need the full resources of CERN to measure how small the time gap was before she jumped in and said "YES BUT THERE ARE ALSO VERY VERY GENEROUS SUPER RICH PEOPLE TOO!!!"

    Next was the news update. The update on the situation in Nova Scotia informed us on the "rising tensions" between commercial and First-Nations lobster fishermen, which culminated in "a warehouse (of unspecified ownership) burning down (in unspecified circumstances)". The Federal government is sending down more RCMP officers to restore the peace, which was followed by two on-the-street interview clips of individuals who sounded very old and very white saying how more police is always a good thing and how much safer they'll feel.

    I live in a town with an anti-covid conspiracy-theory trash radio station, and I never thought Radio-Canada would be the station to get my blood boiling in anger at their biased bullshit.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    So I did a lot of driving yesterday, and put on Radio-Canada (CBC in French) while I did.

    I caught one interview with two very wealthy young people who are part of a movement to create an inheritance tax in Canada (apparently we're the only G7 nation not to have one??) for estates above $1.6M. The CBC host went out of her way to remind listeners about how young these people are. How amazing it is that you're doing this while being so young. What great financial insight you have for someone so young. It's so great to see social involvement by people so young. If there was any subtlety to her contemptuous message of "don't worry, they're just silly kids going through a phase, they'll mature and grow out of it", it was shed when she asked about private charitable donations by the super-rich only to be answered by these "young people" that these donations are always reported in cash value to hide the fact they represent a minuscule percentage of the wealth of the super-rich and that, in actual ratio of wealth, the middle-class actually donates to charity a lot more than the super-rich do. You'd need the full resources of CERN to measure how small the time gap was before she jumped in and said "YES BUT THERE ARE ALSO VERY VERY GENEROUS SUPER RICH PEOPLE TOO!!!"

    Next was the news update. The update on the situation in Nova Scotia updated us on the "rising tensions" between commercial and First-Nations lobster fishermen, which culminated in "a warehouse (of unspecified ownership) burning down (in unspecified circumstances)". The Federal government is sending down more RCMP officers to restore the peace, which was followed by two on-the-street interview clips of individuals very old and very white saying how more police is always a good thing and how much safer they'll feel.

    I live in a town with an anti-covid conspiracy-theory trash radio station, and I never thought Radio-Canada would be the station to get my blood boiling in anger at their biased bullshit.

    Much like NPR, the CBC does some ridiculous doubletalk to try to appease ultra right-wing. Like presenting a 'both sides' debate between an actual epidemiologist, and a blogger from Rebel News about the efficacy of masks.

    The most pathetic part of it is that Conservatives will still honk the "defund the CBC" horn, calling it leftist propaganda no matter how much spineless placating the CBC does.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    So I did a lot of driving yesterday, and put on Radio-Canada (CBC in French) while I did.

    I caught one interview with two very wealthy young people who are part of a movement to create an inheritance tax in Canada (apparently we're the only G7 nation not to have one??) for estates above $1.6M. The CBC host went out of her way to remind listeners about how young these people are. How amazing it is that you're doing this while being so young. What great financial insight you have for someone so young. It's so great to see social involvement by people so young. If there was any subtlety to her contemptuous message of "don't worry, they're just silly kids going through a phase, they'll mature and grow out of it", it was shed when she asked about private charitable donations by the super-rich only to be answered by these "young people" that these donations are always reported in cash value to hide the fact they represent a minuscule percentage of the wealth of the super-rich and that, in actual ratio of wealth, the middle-class actually donates to charity a lot more than the super-rich do. You'd need the full resources of CERN to measure how small the time gap was before she jumped in and said "YES BUT THERE ARE ALSO VERY VERY GENEROUS SUPER RICH PEOPLE TOO!!!"

    Next was the news update. The update on the situation in Nova Scotia informed us on the "rising tensions" between commercial and First-Nations lobster fishermen, which culminated in "a warehouse (of unspecified ownership) burning down (in unspecified circumstances)". The Federal government is sending down more RCMP officers to restore the peace, which was followed by two on-the-street interview clips of individuals who sounded very old and very white saying how more police is always a good thing and how much safer they'll feel.

    I live in a town with an anti-covid conspiracy-theory trash radio station, and I never thought Radio-Canada would be the station to get my blood boiling in anger at their biased bullshit.

    To be fair to the people in the vox pop segment, sending in the RCMP to stop the violence is what should be happening. What's actually going to happen on the other hand...

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    So I did a lot of driving yesterday, and put on Radio-Canada (CBC in French) while I did.

    I caught one interview with two very wealthy young people who are part of a movement to create an inheritance tax in Canada (apparently we're the only G7 nation not to have one??) for estates above $1.6M. The CBC host went out of her way to remind listeners about how young these people are. How amazing it is that you're doing this while being so young. What great financial insight you have for someone so young. It's so great to see social involvement by people so young. If there was any subtlety to her contemptuous message of "don't worry, they're just silly kids going through a phase, they'll mature and grow out of it", it was shed when she asked about private charitable donations by the super-rich only to be answered by these "young people" that these donations are always reported in cash value to hide the fact they represent a minuscule percentage of the wealth of the super-rich and that, in actual ratio of wealth, the middle-class actually donates to charity a lot more than the super-rich do. You'd need the full resources of CERN to measure how small the time gap was before she jumped in and said "YES BUT THERE ARE ALSO VERY VERY GENEROUS SUPER RICH PEOPLE TOO!!!"

    Next was the news update. The update on the situation in Nova Scotia informed us on the "rising tensions" between commercial and First-Nations lobster fishermen, which culminated in "a warehouse (of unspecified ownership) burning down (in unspecified circumstances)". The Federal government is sending down more RCMP officers to restore the peace, which was followed by two on-the-street interview clips of individuals who sounded very old and very white saying how more police is always a good thing and how much safer they'll feel.

    I live in a town with an anti-covid conspiracy-theory trash radio station, and I never thought Radio-Canada would be the station to get my blood boiling in anger at their biased bullshit.

    To be fair to the people in the vox pop segment, sending in the RCMP to stop the violence is what should be happening. What's actually going to happen on the other hand...



    yeah the Sipekne’katik have asked for RCMP support as well

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  • ImperfectImperfect Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    It's settler radio, man. Who's side you think it's gonna take?

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    So I did a lot of driving yesterday, and put on Radio-Canada (CBC in French) while I did.

    I caught one interview with two very wealthy young people who are part of a movement to create an inheritance tax in Canada (apparently we're the only G7 nation not to have one??) for estates above $1.6M. The CBC host went out of her way to remind listeners about how young these people are. How amazing it is that you're doing this while being so young. What great financial insight you have for someone so young. It's so great to see social involvement by people so young. If there was any subtlety to her contemptuous message of "don't worry, they're just silly kids going through a phase, they'll mature and grow out of it", it was shed when she asked about private charitable donations by the super-rich only to be answered by these "young people" that these donations are always reported in cash value to hide the fact they represent a minuscule percentage of the wealth of the super-rich and that, in actual ratio of wealth, the middle-class actually donates to charity a lot more than the super-rich do. You'd need the full resources of CERN to measure how small the time gap was before she jumped in and said "YES BUT THERE ARE ALSO VERY VERY GENEROUS SUPER RICH PEOPLE TOO!!!"

    Next was the news update. The update on the situation in Nova Scotia updated us on the "rising tensions" between commercial and First-Nations lobster fishermen, which culminated in "a warehouse (of unspecified ownership) burning down (in unspecified circumstances)". The Federal government is sending down more RCMP officers to restore the peace, which was followed by two on-the-street interview clips of individuals very old and very white saying how more police is always a good thing and how much safer they'll feel.

    I live in a town with an anti-covid conspiracy-theory trash radio station, and I never thought Radio-Canada would be the station to get my blood boiling in anger at their biased bullshit.

    Much like NPR, the CBC does some ridiculous doubletalk to try to appease ultra right-wing. Like presenting a 'both sides' debate between an actual epidemiologist, and a blogger from Rebel News about the efficacy of masks.

    The most pathetic part of it is that Conservatives will still honk the "defund the CBC" horn, calling it leftist propaganda no matter how much spineless placating the CBC does.

    Even the BBC has been suffering from this. It seems like it's taken longer but conservative threats work on the government funded media as much as they do on the regular media.

  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    So I did a lot of driving yesterday, and put on Radio-Canada (CBC in French) while I did.

    I caught one interview with two very wealthy young people who are part of a movement to create an inheritance tax in Canada (apparently we're the only G7 nation not to have one??) for estates above $1.6M. The CBC host went out of her way to remind listeners about how young these people are. How amazing it is that you're doing this while being so young. What great financial insight you have for someone so young. It's so great to see social involvement by people so young. If there was any subtlety to her contemptuous message of "don't worry, they're just silly kids going through a phase, they'll mature and grow out of it", it was shed when she asked about private charitable donations by the super-rich only to be answered by these "young people" that these donations are always reported in cash value to hide the fact they represent a minuscule percentage of the wealth of the super-rich and that, in actual ratio of wealth, the middle-class actually donates to charity a lot more than the super-rich do. You'd need the full resources of CERN to measure how small the time gap was before she jumped in and said "YES BUT THERE ARE ALSO VERY VERY GENEROUS SUPER RICH PEOPLE TOO!!!"

    Next was the news update. The update on the situation in Nova Scotia updated us on the "rising tensions" between commercial and First-Nations lobster fishermen, which culminated in "a warehouse (of unspecified ownership) burning down (in unspecified circumstances)". The Federal government is sending down more RCMP officers to restore the peace, which was followed by two on-the-street interview clips of individuals very old and very white saying how more police is always a good thing and how much safer they'll feel.

    I live in a town with an anti-covid conspiracy-theory trash radio station, and I never thought Radio-Canada would be the station to get my blood boiling in anger at their biased bullshit.

    Much like NPR, the CBC does some ridiculous doubletalk to try to appease ultra right-wing. Like presenting a 'both sides' debate between an actual epidemiologist, and a blogger from Rebel News about the efficacy of masks.

    The most pathetic part of it is that Conservatives will still honk the "defund the CBC" horn, calling it leftist propaganda no matter how much spineless placating the CBC does.

    Even the BBC has been suffering from this. It seems like it's taken longer but conservative threats work on the government funded media as much as they do on the regular media.

    The other problem is that there was a time where there WERE both sides. Now it's facts vs an unending pile of make-believe conspiracy theories with the media not adapting.

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    Wait, there's no estate/inheritance tax?

    That's mind boggling. That's just something I assumed everywhere had. What?! I don't like it!

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    So I did a lot of driving yesterday, and put on Radio-Canada (CBC in French) while I did.

    I caught one interview with two very wealthy young people who are part of a movement to create an inheritance tax in Canada (apparently we're the only G7 nation not to have one??) for estates above $1.6M. The CBC host went out of her way to remind listeners about how young these people are. How amazing it is that you're doing this while being so young. What great financial insight you have for someone so young. It's so great to see social involvement by people so young. If there was any subtlety to her contemptuous message of "don't worry, they're just silly kids going through a phase, they'll mature and grow out of it", it was shed when she asked about private charitable donations by the super-rich only to be answered by these "young people" that these donations are always reported in cash value to hide the fact they represent a minuscule percentage of the wealth of the super-rich and that, in actual ratio of wealth, the middle-class actually donates to charity a lot more than the super-rich do. You'd need the full resources of CERN to measure how small the time gap was before she jumped in and said "YES BUT THERE ARE ALSO VERY VERY GENEROUS SUPER RICH PEOPLE TOO!!!"

    Next was the news update. The update on the situation in Nova Scotia informed us on the "rising tensions" between commercial and First-Nations lobster fishermen, which culminated in "a warehouse (of unspecified ownership) burning down (in unspecified circumstances)". The Federal government is sending down more RCMP officers to restore the peace, which was followed by two on-the-street interview clips of individuals who sounded very old and very white saying how more police is always a good thing and how much safer they'll feel.

    I live in a town with an anti-covid conspiracy-theory trash radio station, and I never thought Radio-Canada would be the station to get my blood boiling in anger at their biased bullshit.

    Only on a technicality in that Japan has a 0.4% inheritance tax - in fact probate fees are almost always going to be higher than that

  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Wait, there's no estate/inheritance tax?

    That's mind boggling. That's just something I assumed everywhere had. What?! I don't like it!
    Not that I'm against such a tax, but comparing our Gini numbers to the US is a rather good indicator that inheritance taxes are not that effective at limiting wealth concentration.
    We also have higher intergenerational mobility.

    Social programs and higher government spending are more important, in practice.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Wait, there's no estate/inheritance tax?

    That's mind boggling. That's just something I assumed everywhere had. What?! I don't like it!
    Not that I'm against such a tax, but comparing our Gini numbers to the US is a rather good indicator that inheritance taxes are not that effective at limiting wealth concentration.
    We also have higher intergenerational mobility.

    Social programs and higher government spending are more important, in practice.

    Same thing as technically regressive sales taxes. They actually end up showing up in more equal societies because they are very good and easy ways to raise money that can then be funnelled into social programs that offset any regressive effects the tax itself might have.

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    There's also the fact that the deemed sale on death triggers naturally higher income and capital gains taxes than it would in other jurisdictions (eg, the US)

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  • AegisAegis Not Quite TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited October 19
    Phyphor wrote: »
    There's also the fact that the deemed sale on death triggers naturally higher income and capital gains taxes than it would in other jurisdictions (eg, the US)

    Yea, it's treated as a deemed disposition on death, with an exception if the estate is passing to a surviving spouse.

    I would imagine* the tax capture part of it comes into play when all parents have died and the estate is now passing to children, at which point the last parent to die's final tax return will be reflecting a higher capital gains rate than normal.

    * Not a tax expert.

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning Registered User regular
    Holy crap. The latest Q-style delusion Canadian right-wing propagandists (i.e. the Sun) are trying to push: CERB is being used by gangs to buy guns, and that's why there's an increase in violent crime in Toronto.

    Says who? "Sources." Not "sources within the RCMP." Not "sources within Parliament." Not "sources within [organization that might know what the fuck they're talking about]."

    Just "sources", or "a source." (The source also blames reduced random street checks for "gangsters"--as the story insists on calling them, like it's a goddamn 30s pulp story--becoming more bold and open about being able to carry weapons.) "Another source" also claims that there are more bullets fired in shootings these days.

    They even lament how there used to be rules between gangsters but there aren't any more. They sound like Tony Soprano in witness protection, reduced to buying guns with CERB.

  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Didnt that same Toronto Sun also recently run a story on how public masturbators are dealing with the lockdowns?

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    why would I use my cerb cheques to pay my rent when I could just use that money to buy a rifle and hold my landlord hostage at gunpoint

    like that's just basic cost reduction and business strategy

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    If I were in a gang, the one thing that would most certainly help me commit more crimes is a government paper trail....

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    The premier of BC on anti mask idiots who caused a scene on a ferry

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