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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    It ain't power metal but here's what I've been listening to more than a few times lately in response to all the concurrent events

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Not a fan of folk music in any form. Give me the power metal.

    I don’t hate metal, but “I like metal” is a personal white flag because of all the racists I know who love it.

    Oi. I could say the same about country but I don't because that'd be real shitty to conflate an entire genre of music and the people who like it with fuckheads.

    Sub-genre actually. This is what Wikipedia has to say about power metal.

    "Themes that frequently feature throughout other metal subgenres, such as religion and politics, are comparatively rare in power metal - albeit not unheard of. Power metal's lyrical themes often focus on fantasy and mythology, camaraderie and hope, personal struggles and emotions, war and death, or combinations of the aforementioned. For example, Finnish band Sonata Arctica have been known for focusing their lyrics of their songs on fantasy but also have many songs based on reality, love and relationships."

    The problem goes back a ways. Metal fans as far back as the 80s were the vanguards of “Rap isn’t real music.”

    And yeah, country music also has a massive racism problem - see the recent controversy around stations refusing to play Lil Nas X. Doesn’t mean fans of either genres as automatically racist, but the scenes around them have huge racism problems.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Madican wrote: »
    It ain't power metal but here's what I've been listening to more than a few times lately in response to all the concurrent events


    One thing I have been loving is occasionally finding one power metal band doing a cover of another power metal band's song.

    Such as:

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited August 1
    Lot of problems in a lot of music genre communities. Trance, for example, has a very very white community in Northern Europe and it's not particularly inclusive. Although some trance DJs have taken steps to try to broaden it, but not nearly enough. How many non-White trance DJs do you get? Barely any.

    And then you have Psytrance, which has been legitimately criticised for the amount of cultural appropriation that goes on in festival dress. It's all vedic symbols, crystals, henna, feathers, neon bikinis (and enough hard party drugs to fell a rhino) at Psytrance nights.

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  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    Mortal Sky wrote: »
    hey now, lefty bluegrass is also 100% a thing

    It was this annoying gatekeeping thing with my uber toxic masculine friends starting from our teenage years saying "well, *real* men only listen to punk/metal/*sometimes* country", and then one summer camping trip I go to put on our regular nostalgic high school shit, and get scoffed at that "oh actually, *real* men only listen to bluegrass now, we've just discovered this, where have you been?"

    Meanwhile, I'm allowed to listen to some Classic Rock and some ironic 80s on my one-trip-a-year, grudgingly, (and frankly they've been doing some *talking*, and they're more than a little sick of that, too...) So cue three *full* days of bluegrass songs I personally find indistinguable and mostly boring (Other genres I wasn't allowed to play even though I tried over ten years, Because, "Dude": hip/hop, pop, indie (unless pre-approved), reggae, r&b, classical, videogame, old time classics, show tunes, ECT ECT)

    Also, I knew lefty bluegrass is a thing because they used to brag about their ability to infiltrate those spaces, and act super gross during

  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    tynic wrote: »
    Irish folk has one of three themes

    "Those fucking bastards killed my boy"
    "We're gonna fuck up those bastards for what they did"
    "I was in love with this guy/girl but they ran off with some bastard"

    Truly the full panoply of human experience

    So Country but good?

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  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Lots of Tragically Hip songs are protest songs just people rarely noticed because Gord's voice was so soothing

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  • ToxTox I kill threads Punch DimensionRegistered User regular
    edited August 1
    Hands Held High by Linkin Park is my go to protest song. There's a ... contemplative quality to it. The rage is there, but it's breathing, experiencing the peace that comes with the conviction of knowing your cause is just. It's very calm-before-the-storm

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  • PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Lefty country is rare, but not non-existent

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  • ZonugalZonugal The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    I just keep listening to K-Pop.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    The resurgence of pop country over the last ten or so years that coincidentally starts around the time a black guy becomes President always seemed like some lame ass white identity movement

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  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
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    Solar wrote: »
    There's anti-fascist nu metal I guess

    Rage Against the Machine being the big ones

    Also in the vein of punk I was listening to a lot of Leftover Crack this morning, me and me mates loooooved these guys when I was like, a grotty 13 year old

    (takes like a minute for the actual song to come in)


    Loved Leftover Crack. Also, probably my favourite band name?

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  • AistanAistan Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    The resurgence of pop country over the last ten or so years that coincidentally starts around the time a black guy becomes President always seemed like some lame ass white identity movement

    Did it ever really go away after the boom of country post-9/11? I tried hard to not pay attention to it.

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    The resurgence of pop country over the last ten or so years that coincidentally starts around the time a black guy becomes President always seemed like some lame ass white identity movement

    Was country ever not resurgent though? Pop Country seems to really kick off after 9/11 with songs like the Angry American and never felt like it slowed down.

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Daniel Kahn also does the lefty klezmer thing

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  • Typhoid MannyTyphoid Manny Registered User regular
    fuckin love me some klezmer

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  • WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited August 1
    One of my Pandora channels is bluegrass. Most of the songs are just about moonshine, mining accidents, or trains.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Ah yes, trains causing mining accidents because of too much moonshine

    We've all been there

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Woody was pretty country

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Ah yes, trains causing mining accidents because of too much moonshine

    We've all been there

    We call that Tuesday down here.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    55% voter turnout should be taken as a sign that the government is doing something wrong, much in the same way a school is probably doing something wrong if 45% of their students are failing

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    webguy20 wrote: »
    RedTide wrote: »
    The resurgence of pop country over the last ten or so years that coincidentally starts around the time a black guy becomes President always seemed like some lame ass white identity movement

    Was country ever not resurgent though? Pop Country seems to really kick off after 9/11 with songs like the Angry American and never felt like it slowed down.

    Country is apparently popular worldwide specifically because the way that it sounds evokes nostalgia. Like, even with people who don't understand English.

    https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/segments/91635-songs-that-cross-borders

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited August 1
    Anyway, when it comes back to punk songs and whatnot, I feel like nothing continues to get more and more relevant than The Decline by NOFX.


    And so we go, on with our lives
    We know the truth, but prefer lies
    Lies are simple, simple is bliss
    Why go against tradition when we can
    Admit defeat, live in decline
    Be the victim of our own design
    The status quo, built on suspect
    Why would anyone stick out their neck?

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited August 1
    When I was 9
    Solar wrote: »
    There's anti-fascist nu metal I guess

    Rage Against the Machine being the big ones

    Also in the vein of punk I was listening to a lot of Leftover Crack this morning, me and me mates loooooved these guys when I was like, a grotty 13 year old

    (takes like a minute for the actual song to come in)


    Loved Leftover Crack. Also, probably my favourite band name?

    And then they became the Crack Rock Steady Seven, when they toured Europe!

    Leftover Crack, Choking Victim, INDK... great bands



    Literally my favourite punk rock tune ever, I think?

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User regular
    country songs that have liberal/leftist messages aren't new or exclusive to non-radio country music

    9 to 5 is anti-capitalist
    Garth Brooks included included gay rights in his music in the early 90s
    The Chicks were canceled by republicans before cancel culture was a thing

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited August 1

    -Tal wrote: »
    55% voter turnout should be taken as a sign that the government is doing something wrong, much in the same way a school is probably doing something wrong if 45% of their students are failing

    Absolutely. Unfortunately, it's the people voting that get to decide what the problem is and what to do about it.

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Will the Democrats come to the defense of the mail in any meaningful way?

    Have they ramped up the attack on McConnell and started delivering truckloads of cash to his Democrat challengers?
    -Tal wrote: »
    55% voter turnout should be taken as a sign that the government is doing something wrong, much in the same way a school is probably doing something wrong if 45% of their students are failing

    Absolutely. Unfortunately, it's the people voting that get to decide what the problem is and what to do about it.

    I checked the numbers in the first thread and the last time we had voter in the 60% range was .... holy shit.....*skims table*

    Only person with a stronger mandate than Obama was Roosevelt in 1940.

    Simultaniously makes me mad at Obama for wasting that mandate by playing the friendly negro and Republicans for deligitimizing that mandate.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    the fun thing about electoral issues is that they're bad for literally everybody, except for the people who have the power to do anything about them. they're good for them and nobody else.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    I'm hearing that the kidnapper van units of federal secret police are still in portland, just the obvious guys in plate vests are gone

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  • Ms DapperMs Dapper Cheers Luv! King's RowRegistered User regular
    Reminder that the communists have the music

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Woody was pretty country


    was gonna say, woody was folk as hell and famously put "This machine kills fascists" on his guitar

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  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    'Murica country is basically just the same thing as nazifurs but it was more successful.

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Also like, half of Sabaton's songs are about WWII.

    I've met a bunch of Sabaton fans with questionable political views, to put it mildly. To the point that I just can't help but be initially skeptical of their fans. Which is unfair, and no fault of theirs, and so on. But just, anyone around here in a fucking Sabaton t-shirt and a bunch of nu-nordic tattoos can get a fucking boot down their throat.

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  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Lot of problems in a lot of music genre communities. Trance, for example, has a very very white community in Northern Europe and it's not particularly inclusive. Although some trance DJs have taken steps to try to broaden it, but not nearly enough. How many non-White trance DJs do you get? Barely any.

  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Also like, half of Sabaton's songs are about WWII.

    Or general Swedish history, just look at the album Carolus Rex.

    Seeing them in 2014 I got in a 40 minute string of counterfactuals with Joakim at the merch table starting with what would've happened if Charles XII was able to lead in the field at Poltava.

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    Oh man I only got to hang out with Alestorm

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Grislo wrote: »
    Also like, half of Sabaton's songs are about WWII.

    I've met a bunch of Sabaton fans with questionable political views, to put it mildly. To the point that I just can't help but be initially skeptical of their fans. Which is unfair, and no fault of theirs, and so on. But just, anyone around here in a fucking Sabaton t-shirt and a bunch of nu-nordic tattoos can get a fucking boot down their throat.

    Yeah, sadly they attract the affliction shirt wearing supremacist assholes in droves. The band themselves aren't that bad, though Joakim can lean nationalist at times, but a good portion of the fan base are asshats.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    Platy wrote: »
    Oh man I only got to hang out with Alestorm

    And by extension Gloryhammer. Which is awesome.

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    Platy wrote: »
    Oh man I only got to hang out with Alestorm

    And by extension Gloryhammer. Which is awesome.

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