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There is a [Conspiracy Thread] here, and I will seek it out!

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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    I haven't seen any Queen death conspiracies. I'm slightly disappointed.

    Ok, I saw one, that the Queen was essentially dead or out of action for months prior to her death and that recent appearances were really a body double/deep fakes. But it's not very exciting.

    I'd believe this one. "Boris Johnson will not be the Prime Minister at my funeral!"
    "Have him killed, or...?"
    "He'll be out on his ass before the end of the year. Just get my body double."

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    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Apparently, the Q set are seeing Ian as a hoax, and not, you know, a fucking major storm:



    This is going to get people killed.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited September 27
    And back to Fuck Alex Jones, where his hired jackal Pattis has just insinuated that Jones may not be put back on the stand:

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  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    Apparently, the Q set are seeing Ian as a hoax, and not, you know, a fucking major storm:



    This is going to get people killed.

    Though I wonder how much influence "Lady C" has.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited September 27
    ironzerg wrote: »
    It's one of those situations where we can wait for more facts to emerge than fill up threads with speculation and conspiracy theories. Remember, that's also how misinformation spreads.

    "Well, I read on Penny Arcade that it might have been the United States who blew up the pipeline..."

    It's ok to hit pause on a hot topic until more details are being reported by reliable sources.

    People are saying the Nordstream pipeline explosions are clearly the work of the aliens from that Charlie Sheen movie.

    Source

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    And back to Fuck Alex Jones, where his hired jackal Pattis has just insinuated that Jones may not be put back on the stand:


    To be fair, Pattis' highest priority is making sure Alex never takes the stand again. Anything less is legal malpractice

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  • yossarian_livesyossarian_lives Registered User regular
    So someone leaked video from the Info Wars set of Alex Jones drinking heavily throughout a period of one week. I’m not going to link the article because the video may be a result from hacking and I’m uncertain about forum rules regarding sharing such things. Anyway, this tracks with audio clips from Knowledge Fight where it’s obvious Jones’ speech is slurred. Dude is likely an alcoholic considering he’s killing a bottle of booze a day, just at work.

    "I see everything twice!"


  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    And the CT case is in closing arguments, after Jones refused to get back on the stand. Pattis is being a vile goose in his closing as expected, as he damn well knows he has nothing else but banging the table.

    A thread for the day's proceedings:

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    That's cute, using closing argument to let Jones get twenty minutes of time to rant and rave without risking cross examination.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    That's cute, using closing argument to let Jones get twenty minutes of time to rant and rave without risking cross examination.

    I don't think I can overemphasize how vile Pattis is:



    Dude, it's your job to make sure your client doesn't get Col. Jessup'd.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    That's cute, using closing argument to let Jones get twenty minutes of time to rant and rave without risking cross examination.

    I don't think I can overemphasize how vile Pattis is:



    Dude, it's your job to make sure your client doesn't get Col. Jessup'd.

    To be fair, Jones wouldn't shut the fuck up no mattet what he did

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    That's cute, using closing argument to let Jones get twenty minutes of time to rant and rave without risking cross examination.

    I don't think I can overemphasize how vile Pattis is:



    Dude, it's your job to make sure your client doesn't get Col. Jessup'd.

    To be fair, Jones wouldn't shut the fuck up no mattet what he did

    Which is why he made sure to keep Jones as far away from the stand as possible.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    I just came up with a random crossover conspiracy based on zero evidence: Elon Musk is now secretly trying to get Russian investments to help him pay for the Twitter purchase.

  • CornucopiistCornucopiist Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    I just came up with a random crossover conspiracy based on zero evidence: Elon Musk is now secretly trying to get Russian investments to help him pay for the Twitter purchase.
    See, your problem there is your audience. Conspiracy believers tend to side with Musk and Russia both. If you’re creating a conspiracy for people who’ve proven immune to a decade of bullshit from those two sources, you won’t get far.

  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    "Proven immune"

  • FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    "Proven immune"

    From THOSE TWO SOURCES, pretty specific, but if its the CIA calling for action about the Havana Death Ray Gun, people will buy it. People will buy it, and then turn around and laugh at the silly Q anon people.

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    I just came up with a random crossover conspiracy based on zero evidence: Elon Musk is now secretly trying to get Russian investments to help him pay for the Twitter purchase.

    Musk is just an idiot authoritarian who constantly sucks up to dictators. He does it with China too.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    I just came up with a random crossover conspiracy based on zero evidence: Elon Musk is now secretly trying to get Russian investments to help him pay for the Twitter purchase.

    Musk is just an idiot authoritarian who constantly sucks up to dictators. He does it with China too.

    He has significant business ties to Russia (where he is getting aluminum from) and China (which supplies rare earth metals.)

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    I just came up with a random crossover conspiracy based on zero evidence: Elon Musk is now secretly trying to get Russian investments to help him pay for the Twitter purchase.

    Musk is just an idiot authoritarian who constantly sucks up to dictators. He does it with China too.

    He has significant business ties to Russia (where he is getting aluminum from) and China (which supplies rare earth metals.)

    It’s tempting to “follow the money” but Elon Musk wears his heart on his sleeve about his far-right political views. If he needed something from Sweden he wouldn’t suddenly become a democratic socialist to flatter them. Authoritarianism is his true beliefs. Thank God he’s not a natural born citizen because he’s Trump all over again.

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  • CornucopiistCornucopiist Registered User regular
    edited October 11
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    "Proven immune"

    From THOSE TWO SOURCES, pretty specific, but if its the CIA calling for action about the Havana Death Ray Gun, people will buy it. People will buy it, and then turn around and laugh at the silly Q anon people.

    Only because it’s totally in the realm of what has been done to embassies and the rumoured effects since the Cold War ended.
    I think it likely lighting up passive bugs with radio waves became outmoded decades ago but it did happen.
    Unrelated but in the same field, Russians were well aware of the health hazards of high powered radars (as was our side).
    Does it all tie together in a nice package? No.
    But is it impossible that Russia or China uses em radiation to screw with embassy staff? Also no.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Signal

    Mark how the people working in those beams as well as the general public were not informed for years, and any health concerns were downplayed.

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    edited October 11
    I remember seeing a convincing argument posted here that Havana Syndrome was likely to be heavy metal/industrial chemical poisoning from local drinking water?

    edit: like, nothing conclusive, obviously. Just that it would make sense for that to be the cause.

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    "Proven immune"

    From THOSE TWO SOURCES, pretty specific, but if its the CIA calling for action about the Havana Death Ray Gun, people will buy it. People will buy it, and then turn around and laugh at the silly Q anon people.
    It's well established that Russia played both sides in the lead up to the 2016 and 2020 elections. Promoting disinformation and divisive rhetoric on both sides. Even going so far as to create fake protests online that real Americans turned up to.

    Donie is a CNN correspondent.
    Thread/ a good chunk of today's Mueller report is about how unwitting Americans were enlisted to run events organized by Russia.

    This one always sticks out to me: This is a picture of two opposing protests in Texas in 2016 -- both organized by Russia.
    https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/26/media/russia-trolls-facebook-events/index.html
    (picture of a BLM protest and anti-BLM protest)

    This pattern has been repeated for nearly every protest movement in the past decade. Especially when amplifying a movement achieves Russian objectives (eg, the Keystone pipeline protests).

    It's also well established that one of the best potential victims for a con is someone who thinks they're too smart to be conned. No one has been "proven immune" to Russian disinformation and thinking that they are immune only makes them more susceptible.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Putin may absolutely suck at wars but his intelligence game is top notch.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Calica wrote: »
    I remember seeing a convincing argument posted here that Havana Syndrome was likely to be heavy metal/industrial chemical poisoning from local drinking water?

    edit: like, nothing conclusive, obviously. Just that it would make sense for that to be the cause.

    Nobody has tested for this

    The theory that has the most expert credibility is mass panic attacks

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Calica wrote: »
    I remember seeing a convincing argument posted here that Havana Syndrome was likely to be heavy metal/industrial chemical poisoning from local drinking water?

    edit: like, nothing conclusive, obviously. Just that it would make sense for that to be the cause.

    Nobody has tested for this

    The theory that has the most expert credibility is mass panic attacks

    I don’t think panic attacks work that way. Mass hysteria perhaps? Psychosomatic symptoms? Food poisoning from dodgy water supplies?

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Mass hysteria is the traditional term but I went with mass panic attacks because it’s more descriptive of the actual symptoms people have

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  • ChallChall Registered User regular
    edited October 11
    Mass Hysteria would also explain the fact that wherever someone experiences Havana Syndrome, you will also find human sacrifice and dogs and cats living together.

    Real Old Testament, wrath of God type stuff

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Mass hysteria is the traditional term but I went with mass panic attacks because it’s more descriptive of the actual symptoms people have
    "Hysteria" is also gendered, I haven't yet found a replacement term that I'm totally happy with.

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  • CornucopiistCornucopiist Registered User regular
    edited October 12
    We had a mass hysteria this summer about needle attacks in clubs. Started with one case that might have been genuine, but then more and more people started reporting being stabbed.
    Nothing rules that out in the Havana Syndrome cases and earlier health concerns. (In fact significant psychological stress among embassy staff is reported)
    But nothing rules out em or ultrasound attacks either.
    And mass hysteria is not the same as a conspiracy theory.
    Especially in an age where the latter can be based on entirely made up lies rather than connecting truthful dots the wrong way.
    The only conspiracy-ish bit here is the theory that the relevant authorities were seeking to play down the issue. There many precedents for employers, including the US government downplaying health risks. An incredibly similar case saw data suppressed for decades for diplomatic or opsec reasons by the pretty much the same departments.
    And when espionage is involved, check your logic at the door.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Havana syndrome is one of those conspiracies that may or may not have something to it. It’s not a floridly insane one like Q-Anon or alien landings. The US government (and other governments) have covered up similar health issues in the past. It doesn’t have to be experimental sonic weapons to be true, it could be all sorts of things. But it might also be nothing at all.

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  • asofyeunasofyeun Registered User regular
    some more news had a segment on Havana Syndrome last year for their halloween episode


    they come to a pretty skeptical conclusion

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Havana syndrome is one of those conspiracies that may or may not have something to it. It’s not a floridly insane one like Q-Anon or alien landings. The US government (and other governments) have covered up similar health issues in the past. It doesn’t have to be experimental sonic weapons to be true, it could be all sorts of things. But it might also be nothing at all.

    What's the plausible explanation for it if not merely people suffering broadly-defined symptoms brought upon by a myriad of disparate and separate causes that have merely associated as connected due to the intense pushing of the narrative that "Havana Syndrome" was being caused by some sort of attack by foreign agents via unknown means?

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Putin may absolutely suck at wars but his intelligence game is top notch.

    Well, at least when it comes to sticking his dick in international stuff. Clearly his gang of yes men have been blowing smoke up his ass re: his own military capabilities.

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  • CornucopiistCornucopiist Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Havana syndrome is one of those conspiracies that may or may not have something to it. It’s not a floridly insane one like Q-Anon or alien landings. The US government (and other governments) have covered up similar health issues in the past. It doesn’t have to be experimental sonic weapons to be true, it could be all sorts of things. But it might also be nothing at all.

    What's the plausible explanation for it if not merely people suffering broadly-defined symptoms brought upon by a myriad of disparate and separate causes that have merely associated as connected due to the intense pushing of the narrative that "Havana Syndrome" was being caused by some sort of attack by foreign agents via unknown means?

    Jeesh, headline jinx yourself much? ;)

  • FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Havana syndrome is one of those conspiracies that may or may not have something to it. It’s not a floridly insane one like Q-Anon or alien landings. The US government (and other governments) have covered up similar health issues in the past. It doesn’t have to be experimental sonic weapons to be true, it could be all sorts of things. But it might also be nothing at all.

    What's the plausible explanation for it if not merely people suffering broadly-defined symptoms brought upon by a myriad of disparate and separate causes that have merely associated as connected due to the intense pushing of the narrative that "Havana Syndrome" was being caused by some sort of attack by foreign agents via unknown means?

    This is totally it. There was a case where some person was describing the high pitched sound he was attacked with, and it was just a local type of cricket. But with all the Havanna Syndrome panic going around, the guy thought he was being blasted by communists.

    This all started because cornucopist claimed that there was one side that was immune from this BS, and I think no one is immune, there is so much shit around and a lot of times its peddled by the media we usually consume, that its a numbers game, sooner or later we all fall for one or another conspiracy theory.

    Except you and me, reader, we are immune.

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Havana syndrome is one of those conspiracies that may or may not have something to it. It’s not a floridly insane one like Q-Anon or alien landings. The US government (and other governments) have covered up similar health issues in the past. It doesn’t have to be experimental sonic weapons to be true, it could be all sorts of things. But it might also be nothing at all.

    What's the plausible explanation for it if not merely people suffering broadly-defined symptoms brought upon by a myriad of disparate and separate causes that have merely associated as connected due to the intense pushing of the narrative that "Havana Syndrome" was being caused by some sort of attack by foreign agents via unknown means?

    This is totally it. There was a case where some person was describing the high pitched sound he was attacked with, and it was just a local type of cricket. But with all the Havanna Syndrome panic going around, the guy thought he was being blasted by communists.

    This all started because cornucopist claimed that there was one side that was immune from this BS, and I think no one is immune, there is so much shit around and a lot of times its peddled by the media we usually consume, that its a numbers game, sooner or later we all fall for one or another conspiracy theory.

    Except you and me, reader, we are immune.

    I kinda disagree. It's one thing to come to a conclusion that's wrong, based on a belief that an instigator is being nefarious (hence, "conspiracy").

    The difference is what you do when confronted with a reasonable to conclusive amount of contradictory evidence, when little actual evidence exists that it did.

    If your immediate response is not "that's bullshit/planted/proof-that-it-goes-all-the-way-to-the-top" and you are willing to change your mind (even just to a non-JAQ "I really just don't know"), then the two positions aren't equal.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    With Congress passing a bill to provide compensation to "victims of Havana Syndrome," I would be a fool not to claim to suffer from it, were I at some diplomatic outpost and began to feel ill.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    With Congress passing a bill to provide compensation to "victims of Havana Syndrome," I would be a fool not to claim to suffer from it, were I at some diplomatic outpost and began to feel ill.

    That’s right, I was trying to remember what bullshit had occurred with this that made me mad about it back in the day

    Now I’m mad again

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  • FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Havana syndrome is one of those conspiracies that may or may not have something to it. It’s not a floridly insane one like Q-Anon or alien landings. The US government (and other governments) have covered up similar health issues in the past. It doesn’t have to be experimental sonic weapons to be true, it could be all sorts of things. But it might also be nothing at all.

    What's the plausible explanation for it if not merely people suffering broadly-defined symptoms brought upon by a myriad of disparate and separate causes that have merely associated as connected due to the intense pushing of the narrative that "Havana Syndrome" was being caused by some sort of attack by foreign agents via unknown means?

    This is totally it. There was a case where some person was describing the high pitched sound he was attacked with, and it was just a local type of cricket. But with all the Havanna Syndrome panic going around, the guy thought he was being blasted by communists.

    This all started because cornucopist claimed that there was one side that was immune from this BS, and I think no one is immune, there is so much shit around and a lot of times its peddled by the media we usually consume, that its a numbers game, sooner or later we all fall for one or another conspiracy theory.

    Except you and me, reader, we are immune.

    I kinda disagree. It's one thing to come to a conclusion that's wrong, based on a belief that an instigator is being nefarious (hence, "conspiracy").

    The difference is what you do when confronted with a reasonable to conclusive amount of contradictory evidence, when little actual evidence exists that it did.

    If your immediate response is not "that's bullshit/planted/proof-that-it-goes-all-the-way-to-the-top" and you are willing to change your mind (even just to a non-JAQ "I really just don't know"), then the two positions aren't equal.

    Come on man, it was a ridiculous conspiracy theory, pretty much on par with mole-children, it was just CIA feeding people BS instead of Q.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    It’s still quite a stretch to compare something from the CIA to Q. The Q conspiracy is so entirely detached from reality that it’s a completely whole other magnitude of BS.

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