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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Nyysjan wrote: »
    you know, we could asily settle the New Zealand moose debate once and for all.
    Just import some more moose.

    This sounds like something a lonely New Zealand moose would say!

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    yossarian_livesyossarian_lives Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Neveron wrote: »
    Neveron wrote: »
    To return to moose-based conspiracies; are there wild moose in new Zealand, yes/no?

    You'd not expect this too be a subject of debate, but it is, and with decent evidence they exist to boot. (Okay not actually sure this counts as a conspiracy, but it is nicely weird)

    The main point of contention is that there were moose in New Zealand (they were imported in 1910 for rich people to hunt, IIRC), but it's generally assumed that they kind of just died out. The last photographic evidence is from '52.

    There's been some claimed sightings since then, but who knows if it's real. It's basically a weirdly mundane cryptid, yeah.

    Claimed sightings, DNA evidence, and some telling damage that implies moose... but nothing actually confirmed. It's fascaiting because i can totally see there still being moose, and i can totally see them being extinct.

    Either way, it's pretty harmless as cryptid stuff goes, so that's nice too.

    (Now, surviving Moa that i dont belive even though it would be awesome/terrifying to get them back. I'll pass on Haast's Eagle though)

    Yeah, it's your typical case of "[EXCTINCT ANIMAL] survived in a small group in the wilderness!" cryptid stuff but it's weird because the animal went extinct recently enough for it to be plausible and also it still exists in other countries.

    Like, Nessie being a surviving Plesiosaur is one thing. A small population of moose still surviving 70 years after being declared extinct is something else - more casually believable, for one, while also seeming like a lot less of a big deal.
    It's not like we're talking about a Coelacanth or anything, moose are still around in Canada etc. If they're still alive then that's cool, but it's not some kind of groundbreaking discovery.

    Looking into it further, I guess they DNA-tested some hair in '06 and found that it belonged to a moose. Neat. Hopefully they're still alive 15 years later.

    are they though

    *dramatic music*
    So the giant angry mama moose that chased me a few years back during my trip to the Bighorn Mountains was just two dudes in a suit? Or some kinda Boston Dynamics robot moose?

    "I see everything twice!"


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    OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Neveron wrote: »
    Neveron wrote: »
    To return to moose-based conspiracies; are there wild moose in new Zealand, yes/no?

    You'd not expect this too be a subject of debate, but it is, and with decent evidence they exist to boot. (Okay not actually sure this counts as a conspiracy, but it is nicely weird)

    The main point of contention is that there were moose in New Zealand (they were imported in 1910 for rich people to hunt, IIRC), but it's generally assumed that they kind of just died out. The last photographic evidence is from '52.

    There's been some claimed sightings since then, but who knows if it's real. It's basically a weirdly mundane cryptid, yeah.

    Claimed sightings, DNA evidence, and some telling damage that implies moose... but nothing actually confirmed. It's fascaiting because i can totally see there still being moose, and i can totally see them being extinct.

    Either way, it's pretty harmless as cryptid stuff goes, so that's nice too.

    (Now, surviving Moa that i dont belive even though it would be awesome/terrifying to get them back. I'll pass on Haast's Eagle though)

    Yeah, it's your typical case of "[EXCTINCT ANIMAL] survived in a small group in the wilderness!" cryptid stuff but it's weird because the animal went extinct recently enough for it to be plausible and also it still exists in other countries.

    Like, Nessie being a surviving Plesiosaur is one thing. A small population of moose still surviving 70 years after being declared extinct is something else - more casually believable, for one, while also seeming like a lot less of a big deal.
    It's not like we're talking about a Coelacanth or anything, moose are still around in Canada etc. If they're still alive then that's cool, but it's not some kind of groundbreaking discovery.

    Looking into it further, I guess they DNA-tested some hair in '06 and found that it belonged to a moose. Neat. Hopefully they're still alive 15 years later.

    are they though

    *dramatic music*
    So the giant angry mama moose that chased me a few years back during my trip to the Bighorn Mountains was just two dudes in a suit? Or some kinda Boston Dynamics robot moose?

    Shit they know

    Activate plan Kappa!

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    The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Grislo wrote: »
    Release some orcas in the NZ wilderness. If they thrive, it means there were moose for them to feed on. If they die out, there were no moose. Perfect plan, no apparent flaws.

    We actually reguarly have orca come and swim in the bay around here. You can usually tell they're around because all the stingray book it to the artificial lagoon.

    Ideas hate it when you anthropomorphize them
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    JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    Orca go where they please. They are found in every ocean. Like Humans, Wolves and Bees they have found out about the power of teamwork.

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    CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    1) The cruelty is the point.
    2) It's always projection.
    3) There's always a grift.


    A Missouri Republican state representative was indicted for selling amniotic fluid (for large sums) as a magic COVID-19/erectile dysfunction cure. This isn't directly a conspiracy theory thing, but it shows how a lot of people already have leanings and beliefs in these sorts of baby-blood/adjacent-drinking (or injecting; article doesn't say) magic cures so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to think Those People also do the same things they do or want to do. If they're willing to inject themselves with amniotic fluid to make their dicks hard, surely Hitlery Killton (or whatever, probably all caps with exclamation points) would do the same for similar evil lieberal reasons.

    Just like with the pedophilia thing and Q being full of people loaded with child porn. And the violence. (Also, always, there's grifting.)

    I'm sort of darkly curious about the degree to which she believed her own pitch. If she knew there were no stem cells in the amniotic fluid (never mind all the other bullshit she claimed), why source amniotic fluid to begin with? It would be a lot cheaper to slap a fake label on sterile saline, and her marks wouldn't know the difference.

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    Edith_Bagot-DixEdith_Bagot-Dix Registered User regular
    Jeez.
    Calica wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    1) The cruelty is the point.
    2) It's always projection.
    3) There's always a grift.


    A Missouri Republican state representative was indicted for selling amniotic fluid (for large sums) as a magic COVID-19/erectile dysfunction cure. This isn't directly a conspiracy theory thing, but it shows how a lot of people already have leanings and beliefs in these sorts of baby-blood/adjacent-drinking (or injecting; article doesn't say) magic cures so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to think Those People also do the same things they do or want to do. If they're willing to inject themselves with amniotic fluid to make their dicks hard, surely Hitlery Killton (or whatever, probably all caps with exclamation points) would do the same for similar evil lieberal reasons.

    Just like with the pedophilia thing and Q being full of people loaded with child porn. And the violence. (Also, always, there's grifting.)

    I'm sort of darkly curious about the degree to which she believed her own pitch. If she knew there were no stem cells in the amniotic fluid (never mind all the other bullshit she claimed), why source amniotic fluid to begin with? It would be a lot cheaper to slap a fake label on sterile saline, and her marks wouldn't know the difference.

    No kidding. I have, in my darker moments, been considering a business of just synthesizing and selling adrenochrome as a supplement (apparently totally legal in the US as long as you comply with manufacturing standards) and advertising it as a means of robbing the elite of their most potent weapon or some other nonsensical bullshit.



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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    Calica wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    1) The cruelty is the point.
    2) It's always projection.
    3) There's always a grift.


    A Missouri Republican state representative was indicted for selling amniotic fluid (for large sums) as a magic COVID-19/erectile dysfunction cure. This isn't directly a conspiracy theory thing, but it shows how a lot of people already have leanings and beliefs in these sorts of baby-blood/adjacent-drinking (or injecting; article doesn't say) magic cures so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to think Those People also do the same things they do or want to do. If they're willing to inject themselves with amniotic fluid to make their dicks hard, surely Hitlery Killton (or whatever, probably all caps with exclamation points) would do the same for similar evil lieberal reasons.

    Just like with the pedophilia thing and Q being full of people loaded with child porn. And the violence. (Also, always, there's grifting.)

    I'm sort of darkly curious about the degree to which she believed her own pitch. If she knew there were no stem cells in the amniotic fluid (never mind all the other bullshit she claimed), why source amniotic fluid to begin with? It would be a lot cheaper to slap a fake label on sterile saline, and her marks wouldn't know the difference.

    The rich have been doing stuff with the various fluids of the young and beautiful poor for thousands of years. They never stopped, just shifted their justifications subtly. In the 1300's, rich Europeans would drink the blood of children to extend their life, in the 2000's, they're buying elective blood transfusions from young donors.

    There isn't some grand international conspiracy of the elite, because there doesn't have to be. The world has fallen to such a point that people in their 20's will willingly sell their blood, plasma, semen, breast milk, whatever they can wring out and bottle up to make fucking rent and food. You just need to create the marketplace and BAM, young beautiful blood for $20 a pint.

    What Q anon misses is that if the rich want adrenochrome, they don't need to kidnap thousands of children and smuggle them around the world at exorbitant prices. They just need to open up a shady clinic across the street from Wal Mart that pays you $40 a week if you come in twice for them to extract it.

    Hevach on
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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Calica wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    1) The cruelty is the point.
    2) It's always projection.
    3) There's always a grift.


    A Missouri Republican state representative was indicted for selling amniotic fluid (for large sums) as a magic COVID-19/erectile dysfunction cure. This isn't directly a conspiracy theory thing, but it shows how a lot of people already have leanings and beliefs in these sorts of baby-blood/adjacent-drinking (or injecting; article doesn't say) magic cures so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to think Those People also do the same things they do or want to do. If they're willing to inject themselves with amniotic fluid to make their dicks hard, surely Hitlery Killton (or whatever, probably all caps with exclamation points) would do the same for similar evil lieberal reasons.

    Just like with the pedophilia thing and Q being full of people loaded with child porn. And the violence. (Also, always, there's grifting.)

    I'm sort of darkly curious about the degree to which she believed her own pitch. If she knew there were no stem cells in the amniotic fluid (never mind all the other bullshit she claimed), why source amniotic fluid to begin with? It would be a lot cheaper to slap a fake label on sterile saline, and her marks wouldn't know the difference.

    I could easily believe:

    She did not know she had purchased acellular amniotic fluid, because, I'm guessing, that's the only kind you can buy, so if you ask for 'amniotic fluid' they're not going to ask if you want acellular or unfiltered.

    Or

    She did not know there were no stem cells in acellular amniotic fluid. She's a 63 year old GP, it's entirely possible everything she currently knows about stem cells and amniotic fluid is based on Facebook posts she read in the last three years.

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    Do you have a citation because I'm pretty sure medieval Europeans drinking children's blood is 100% false anti-semitism

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    Modern day billionaires getting youthful blood transfusion isn't really a thing either. Peter Theil does it but he's a bit of a weirdo.

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    CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    Calica wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    1) The cruelty is the point.
    2) It's always projection.
    3) There's always a grift.


    A Missouri Republican state representative was indicted for selling amniotic fluid (for large sums) as a magic COVID-19/erectile dysfunction cure. This isn't directly a conspiracy theory thing, but it shows how a lot of people already have leanings and beliefs in these sorts of baby-blood/adjacent-drinking (or injecting; article doesn't say) magic cures so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to think Those People also do the same things they do or want to do. If they're willing to inject themselves with amniotic fluid to make their dicks hard, surely Hitlery Killton (or whatever, probably all caps with exclamation points) would do the same for similar evil lieberal reasons.

    Just like with the pedophilia thing and Q being full of people loaded with child porn. And the violence. (Also, always, there's grifting.)

    I'm sort of darkly curious about the degree to which she believed her own pitch. If she knew there were no stem cells in the amniotic fluid (never mind all the other bullshit she claimed), why source amniotic fluid to begin with? It would be a lot cheaper to slap a fake label on sterile saline, and her marks wouldn't know the difference.

    I could easily believe:

    She did not know she had purchased acellular amniotic fluid, because, I'm guessing, that's the only kind you can buy, so if you ask for 'amniotic fluid' they're not going to ask if you want acellular or unfiltered.

    Or

    She did not know there were no stem cells in acellular amniotic fluid. She's a 63 year old GP, it's entirely possible everything she currently knows about stem cells and amniotic fluid is based on Facebook posts she read in the last three years.

    You'd think an MD would pick up enough Latin along the way to know what "acellular" means, though.

    edit: or Greek? Either way. Science-talk :razz:

    Calica on
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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    Do you have a citation because I'm pretty sure medieval Europeans drinking children's blood is 100% false anti-semitism

    If it occurred at all, Pope Innocent VIII got an oral blood transfusion from three 10-year-old boys in 1492. (The boys died, as did the pope some time later.) This was reported on by contemporaries.

    But, as you correctly point out, modern historians have questioned the validity of this. Innocent's physician was the Italian-Jewish Giacomo di San Genesio, so the possibility of an anti-semitic slander should at least not be discounted.

    In any case, the blood drinking was not widespread, if it happened at all.

    Easy place to start reading is wikipedia's page on Innocent VIII.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    TefTef Registered User regular
    I did blood doping one time just to see how it worked. My friend’s nurse in training girlfriend had to practice cannulation so she drew blood from me every day for like 10 days, we put it in the fridge and then put it all back in on the final day.

    I thought it made me run harder for longer, but who knows if that was just a placebo effect. In retrospect not exactly my smartest hour but hey I survived with basically no major issues

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    Tef wrote: »
    I did blood doping one time just to see how it worked. My friend’s nurse in training girlfriend had to practice cannulation so she drew blood from me every day for like 10 days, we put it in the fridge and then put it all back in on the final day.

    I thought it made me run harder for longer, but who knows if that was just a placebo effect. In retrospect not exactly my smartest hour but hey I survived with basically no major issues

    How many washing machines could you throw
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    TefTef Registered User regular
    I would tell you but I NEVER GOT THAT WASHING MACHIIIIINNNE

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    Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a35590304/conspiracy-theorists-burning-snow-viral-tiktok-videos/

    With the recent horrible weather down in Texas, there are apparently folks who are trying to prove that the snow in Texas is fake and somehow a government or Bill Gates-related plot. They post videos crushing snowballs and saying "see, no moisture" or trying to light a snowball on fire. If they actually lived in an area that had regular snow, maybe they'd understand that there's some basic science going on here.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    The article isn't entirely right on what's happening, sublimation on that scale with an active heat source isn't going to be enough. Snow, even packed snow, has quite a bit of air space in it, when you melt a small portion of a snow ball it will wick the moisture up into the snowball.

    The black is soot from the lighters.

    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-fake-snow-burning-snow.3026/

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    The article isn't entirely right on what's happening, sublimation on that scale with an active heat source isn't going to be enough. Snow, even packed snow, has quite a bit of air space in it, when you melt a small portion of a snow ball it will wick the moisture up into the snowball.

    The black is soot from the lighters.

    https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-fake-snow-burning-snow.3026/

    Also this part is especially bad:
    The triple point is a shade over 32 degrees Fahrenheit under the right pressure: (chart) That means a lot of ice is at this temperature and pressure every year.

    Problem is the triple point of water is, yes, close to 32 degrees. It's also at 0.6% standard atmospheric pressure, which their own chart shows! Not exactly relevent here :D

    The overall point is fine, but the math is lol what off.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Snow is a liberal conspiracy now? Did the evil liberals fly thousands of planes across Texas to drop acrylic stage snow without anyone noticing?

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Snow is a liberal conspiracy now? Did the evil liberals fly thousands of planes across Texas to drop acrylic stage snow without anyone noticing?

    Roughly "Global warming can't be happening, nothing bad can happen to Texas because we Did All The Right things, so anything that does is therefore and evil plot"

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    CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Snow is a liberal conspiracy now? Did the evil liberals fly thousands of planes across Texas to drop acrylic stage snow without anyone noticing?

    Roughly "Global warming can't be happening, nothing bad can happen to Texas because we Did All The Right things, so anything that does is therefore and evil plot"

    I'd say 50% that and 50% "I have come to believe that literally everything bad that happens to me or anyone I care about is a liberal plot".

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Snow is a liberal conspiracy now? Did the evil liberals fly thousands of planes across Texas to drop acrylic stage snow without anyone noticing?

    Weather control has become quite the popular conspiracy.

    Oh brilliant
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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Snow is a liberal conspiracy now? Did the evil liberals fly thousands of planes across Texas to drop acrylic stage snow without anyone noticing?

    Weather control has become quite the popular conspiracy.

    That would be real snow though.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited February 2021
    Snow is a liberal conspiracy now? Did the evil liberals fly thousands of planes across Texas to drop acrylic stage snow without anyone noticing?

    Weather control has become quite the popular conspiracy.

    Which is just insane, it’s like surely the states or organisations that run the weather would make year round crop growing perfect weather? And yet pretty much nowhere on earth has perfect weather. But I guess they don’t do that because that’s part of the conspiracy, they make it look like there’s no weather control going on at all to make sure nobody catches on!

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    People just aren't familiar with snow. This conspiracy theory popped up when it snowed in Texas in 2014.

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    MovitzMovitz Registered User regular
    This is probably the dumbest shit I've seen in a long while. If you put an 800C open flame to -6C ice, it obviously vapourizes quickly or gets adsorbed deeper into the porous ball. What result were they expecting?

    Like, hold it in your hand and feel it melt instead.

    This must be trolling right?

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    Movitz wrote: »
    This is probably the dumbest shit I've seen in a long while. If you put an 800C open flame to -6C ice, it obviously vapourizes quickly or gets adsorbed deeper into the porous ball. What result were they expecting?

    Like, hold it in your hand and feel it melt instead.

    This must be trolling right?

    Even if you don't have the background to understand any of that, it takes a special type of person to conclude that
    a) this is artificial snow made of metal dropped by planes no one has seen to destroy you personally
    rather than
    b) maybe you don't know everything there is to know about this substance you've barely ever seen before

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Snow is a liberal conspiracy now? Did the evil liberals fly thousands of planes across Texas to drop acrylic stage snow without anyone noticing?

    Weather control has become quite the popular conspiracy.

    I blame Hasbro and Sunbow.

    And we have a casualty of conspiracy theories from a different angle:


    South Dakota AG Jason Ravnsborg was reading Joe Biden conspiracy theories at John Solomon's Just The News website while driving when he slammed into a man, killing him and hitting him so hard the man's face came through the windshield. (Ravnsborg claimed he thought he hit a deer)
    The author is a researcher for Media Matters for America.

    How can you be that addicted to the tap?

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    I really don't want to look it up myself. Is qanon all over the story of the Baldwins' mystery baby?

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Snow is a liberal conspiracy now? Did the evil liberals fly thousands of planes across Texas to drop acrylic stage snow without anyone noticing?

    Weather control has become quite the popular conspiracy.

    I blame Hasbro and Sunbow.

    And we have a casualty of conspiracy theories from a different angle:


    South Dakota AG Jason Ravnsborg was reading Joe Biden conspiracy theories at John Solomon's Just The News website while driving when he slammed into a man, killing him and hitting him so hard the man's face came through the windshield. (Ravnsborg claimed he thought he hit a deer)
    The author is a researcher for Media Matters for America.

    How can you be that addicted to the tap?

    I garauntee you he somehow avoids jail time for this

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Apparently South Park is coming out with a QAnon/vaccination special on the 10th called South ParQ.

    Hexmage-PA on
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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Apparently South Park is coming out with a QAnon/vaccination special on the 10th called South ParQ.

    I could not give less of a shit what the South Park creators thing of QAnon, nor do I want to know how they both-sides it to make the "lol centrist apathy is the only true enlightened path" argument they always do

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Apparently South Park is coming out with a QAnon/vaccination special on the 10th called South ParQ.

    I could not give less of a shit what the South Park creators thing of QAnon, nor do I want to know how they both-sides it to make the "lol centrist apathy is the only true enlightened path" argument they always do

    I debated whether to even mention it here, tbh.

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    NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    Calica wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    1) The cruelty is the point.
    2) It's always projection.
    3) There's always a grift.


    A Missouri Republican state representative was indicted for selling amniotic fluid (for large sums) as a magic COVID-19/erectile dysfunction cure. This isn't directly a conspiracy theory thing, but it shows how a lot of people already have leanings and beliefs in these sorts of baby-blood/adjacent-drinking (or injecting; article doesn't say) magic cures so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to think Those People also do the same things they do or want to do. If they're willing to inject themselves with amniotic fluid to make their dicks hard, surely Hitlery Killton (or whatever, probably all caps with exclamation points) would do the same for similar evil lieberal reasons.

    Just like with the pedophilia thing and Q being full of people loaded with child porn. And the violence. (Also, always, there's grifting.)

    I'm sort of darkly curious about the degree to which she believed her own pitch. If she knew there were no stem cells in the amniotic fluid (never mind all the other bullshit she claimed), why source amniotic fluid to begin with? It would be a lot cheaper to slap a fake label on sterile saline, and her marks wouldn't know the difference.

    The rich have been doing stuff with the various fluids of the young and beautiful poor for thousands of years. They never stopped, just shifted their justifications subtly. In the 1300's, rich Europeans would drink the blood of children to extend their life, in the 2000's, they're buying elective blood transfusions from young donors.

    There isn't some grand international conspiracy of the elite, because there doesn't have to be. The world has fallen to such a point that people in their 20's will willingly sell their blood, plasma, semen, breast milk, whatever they can wring out and bottle up to make fucking rent and food. You just need to create the marketplace and BAM, young beautiful blood for $20 a pint.

    What Q anon misses is that if the rich want adrenochrome, they don't need to kidnap thousands of children and smuggle them around the world at exorbitant prices. They just need to open up a shady clinic across the street from Wal Mart that pays you $40 a week if you come in twice for them to extract it.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Answering a post from another thread here to stall a derail, if you're following from the coup thread welcome to the other thread that provoked the misinformation rule.
    Richy wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    jothki wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Look I'm just saying the 7th Day Adventists started as a doomsday cult that popped up around a dude that predicted the return of Christ at least 3 times. Christ never showed up but that didn't stop them and one of the founding members of that church sent his kid to medical school and that kid coined the term "sanitarium" (in the connotation of "hospitals, but sanitary"). Also he invented corn flakes but my point is sometimes these things don't just go away.

    Christianity as a whole is a doomsday cult that has been predicting the imminent return of Christ for thousands of years now without Christ ever showing up, they're just never managed to collectively agree on a date. It eventually sunk in to most members at some point that they're probably never going to see the world end, but things must have been crazy in the first few centuries and whenever a big plague happened.

    So yeah, these things really, really do stick.

    Granted, the current Evangelical strain has a growing belief in bringing about the apocalypse as soon as possible and those are the types that have become the most Trumpist. People who are just destructive, nihilistic, caring only about hurting others with the ultimate expression of that being destroying the world (while also believing God would pat them on the backs for it somehow).

    In related news, I was noting (along with some others elsewhere) how many of insurrectionists were being turned in by estranged family and especially by their exes. Funny how self-destructive hatemongers are bad at relationships.

    Of all the absurd anti-Christian beliefs the Evangelical hold, this one is definitely in my top-5 most baffling as a Christian. "The all-powerful perfectly-good God that can control every aspect of the universe is not bringing about the end times quickly enough for our tastes, we'll take actions to force his hand!" Seriously, what part of this sounds like a good idea, the part where you think you can force God to act to your will, or the part where you're deliberately working to upset God's plans for humanity?

    This particular brand of eschatology always pairs with the non-biblical Rapture belief. Living to the end times means you don't need to die and get a free body-and-soul ride to heaven and front row seats for all the bad people being punished.

    You don't see a lot of Catholics trying to fulfil the starting conditions of Revelation, because Catholic dogma involves an anti-Rapture* wherein everyone who has ever died is resurrected body-and-soul to face the apocalypse, complete with a last chance at damnation or salvation.

    *-prior posts I've conflated this with the Communion of Saints, rather than the Resurrection of the Body, because of the two are affirmed in the same sentence of the Nicean Creed and my Sunday School days are almost 30 damn years ago. Nobody has corrected me but I was wrong - Communion of Saints is the whole bit about intercession prayer to Mary, the saints, and ancestors.

    Hevach on
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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Hevach wrote: »
    Answering a post from another thread here to stall a derail, if you're following from the coup thread welcome to the other thread that provoked the misinformation rule.
    Richy wrote: »
    Mayabird wrote: »
    jothki wrote: »
    Tox wrote: »
    Look I'm just saying the 7th Day Adventists started as a doomsday cult that popped up around a dude that predicted the return of Christ at least 3 times. Christ never showed up but that didn't stop them and one of the founding members of that church sent his kid to medical school and that kid coined the term "sanitarium" (in the connotation of "hospitals, but sanitary"). Also he invented corn flakes but my point is sometimes these things don't just go away.

    Christianity as a whole is a doomsday cult that has been predicting the imminent return of Christ for thousands of years now without Christ ever showing up, they're just never managed to collectively agree on a date. It eventually sunk in to most members at some point that they're probably never going to see the world end, but things must have been crazy in the first few centuries and whenever a big plague happened.

    So yeah, these things really, really do stick.

    Granted, the current Evangelical strain has a growing belief in bringing about the apocalypse as soon as possible and those are the types that have become the most Trumpist. People who are just destructive, nihilistic, caring only about hurting others with the ultimate expression of that being destroying the world (while also believing God would pat them on the backs for it somehow).

    In related news, I was noting (along with some others elsewhere) how many of insurrectionists were being turned in by estranged family and especially by their exes. Funny how self-destructive hatemongers are bad at relationships.

    Of all the absurd anti-Christian beliefs the Evangelical hold, this one is definitely in my top-5 most baffling as a Christian. "The all-powerful perfectly-good God that can control every aspect of the universe is not bringing about the end times quickly enough for our tastes, we'll take actions to force his hand!" Seriously, what part of this sounds like a good idea, the part where you think you can force God to act to your will, or the part where you're deliberately working to upset God's plans for humanity?

    This particular brand of eschatology always pairs with the non-biblical Rapture belief. Living to the end times means you don't need to die and get a free body-and-soul ride to heaven and front row seats for all the bad people being punished.

    You don't see a lot of Catholics trying to fulfil the starting conditions of Revelation, because Catholic dogma involves an anti-Rapture* wherein everyone who has ever died is resurrected body-and-soul to face the apocalypse, complete with a last chance at damnation or salvation.

    *-prior posts I've conflated this with the Communion of Saints, rather than the Resurrection of the Body, because of the two are affirmed in the same sentence of the Nicean Creed and my Sunday School days are almost 30 damn years ago. Nobody has corrected me but I was wrong - Communion of Saints is the whole bit about intercession prayer to Mary, the saints, and ancestors.

    The concept of the Rapture is the absolute worst thing to emerge from Christianity.

    Oh, no, wait, I forgot about forced conversion either via swordpoint or slavery (after all, a finite bit of suffering on Earth is worth it in the end if a person goes to eternal paradise in Heaven after death instead of eternal torment in Hell, right???).

    Also the demonization and persecution of the Jewish people by outsiders who appropriated aspects of their religion. I don't recall exactly, but I think it was either Thomas Aquinas or Saint Augustine who went from "Jews shouldn't be discriminated against because God chose them first" earlier in life to "Jews need to be suppressed because they defy that Jesus is the Messiah and cause others to doubt in Jesus and put them in danger of Hell".

    Also the fact it grants a motivation/excuse (depending on the individual) for colonialism because if you just leave people alone to practice their traditional faiths they'll all go to Hell and suffer forever.

    Basically, there's a whole lot of examples of "the ends (keeping people from going to Hell to suffer forever) justifies the means" that pop up again and again and again in Christianity's history. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is highly flawed in this context because certain kinds of Christians think "well, I WOULD want to be persecuted and oppressed in life if it lead me to becoming a Christian and avoiding never-ending torture after death, so I guess treating others that way is for the greater good".

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    I'll give credit to the early Protestants for figuring out that it was their duty as Christians to absolutely loathe the Romans.

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    MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    I'll give credit to the early Protestants for figuring out that it was their duty as Christians to absolutely loathe the Romans.

    "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

    But back in my early teenagerhood, I was in a dark place, and read the Bible for answers. Revelations was incredibly disturbing, because no matter where I looked, I could not find anything about people who were good and faithful wouldn't be whisked off to enjoy Paradise while everyone else suffered the tribulations. And even a 13 year old could calculate that the 140k people that had some chance of achieving salvation, out of the BILLIONS of people throughout history, meant that I had almost no chance of getting into heaven.

    Even when the 'helpful' Watchtower pamphlets explaining that the 140k meant people going to Heaven Premium™, everyone else worthy enough would go to Heaven Lite™, my faith basically took a deep dive at that point.

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    Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    jothki wrote: »
    I'll give credit to the early Protestants for figuring out that it was their duty as Christians to absolutely loathe the Romans.

    "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

    But back in my early teenagerhood, I was in a dark place, and read the Bible for answers. Revelations was incredibly disturbing, because no matter where I looked, I could not find anything about people who were good and faithful wouldn't be whisked off to enjoy Paradise while everyone else suffered the tribulations. And even a 13 year old could calculate that the 140k people that had some chance of achieving salvation, out of the BILLIONS of people throughout history, meant that I had almost no chance of getting into heaven.

    Even when the 'helpful' Watchtower pamphlets explaining that the 140k meant people going to Heaven Premium™, everyone else worthy enough would go to Heaven Lite™, my faith basically took a deep dive at that point.

    The 144,000 weren’t the only ones who were saved though, they were just assistants and soldiers of Jesus that got spared from plagues and shit.

    It goes:

    1. 4 horsemen of the apocalypse set loose and 144,000 sealed.
    2. Fuckmassive natural disasters, plagues, and shit kill most humans.
    3. Devil comes down from heaven to rule the earth with 2 beasts, conquers the rest of the earth, forces everyone to die or take mark of the beast.
    4. Jesus and 144,000 along with anyone left who didn’t worship devil fight devil and minions at Armageddon, win, trap devil in Hell for 1,000 years
    5. Jesus resurrects martyrs, rules over earth for 1000 years with bros
    6. Devil gets out of prison, convinces some of Earth to rebel against Jesus, big fight again
    7. Devil sent back to Hell for good this time
    8. Death ends, Everyone left dead gets resurrected, judged, unrepentant sent to hell.
    9. God merges heaven and earth new heaven, anyone not in hell at this point gets to hang out in the new heaven/earth.


    This is what the rapture gets wrong, even if you take it totally at face value the part about Jesus taking all the believers to heaven and uniting with the dead happens at the end, not the beginning.

    Jealous Deva on
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