ya was gonna say the same thing. As much as I like John de Lancie it's messed up he's there instead
But why is Denise Crosby there? She was so unhappy on TNG that she asked to be written off the show before the first season even ended, but it seems like she's been happy to attach herself to the larger Trek machinery since then. It comes across as odd. I almost wonder if Q was in more episodes than Tasha Yar.
Nevermind: Q was only in 8 episodes (it really seems like more than that), and Tasha Yar (or Sela) was in 26ish.
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ya was gonna say the same thing. As much as I like John de Lancie it's messed up he's there instead
Is it just me or does this happen a lot with TNG photo shoots and reunions?
A lot of the TNG cast has been very open and accepting of their permanent role as those guys in Star Trek. Wil Wheaton hasn't been one of them. Not to the point of Avery Brooks or Robert Beltran, but he's way more responsive to literally anything else in his career than Star Trek.
oh what's the scoop on Robert Beltran in the present day? Does he super regret doing trek or?
A few years back Beltran called Voyager "penance for all of my sins," so that's your baseline, he really hated everything about the show and Star Trek in general.
He DID do a little online fan stuff last year, I think the first time since Voyager ended. He was asked about reprisal (in either a post-TNG show like Picard or Star Trek Online) and he said he'd need to see it and he'd have to like it a lot to consider, which sounds like a no to me.
wow interesting. I wonder if all the fake Native American stuff became a big problem or if specific things with fans happened or what. that sucks he's so down on it.
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ya was gonna say the same thing. As much as I like John de Lancie it's messed up he's there instead
But why is Denise Crosby there? She was so unhappy on TNG that she asked to be written off the show before the first season even ended, but it seems like she's been happy to attach herself to the larger Trek machinery since then. It comes across as odd. I almost wonder if Q was in more episodes than Tasha Yar.
Nevermind: Q was only in 8 episodes (it really seems like more than that), and Tasha Yar (or Sela) was in 26ish.
She was unhappy with the material she was getting (or rather: wasn't getting) and the fact that the studio nixed her having fights, because it was the 80s and women doing punching was scary. But it sounds like she loved the cast a lot and regarded Stewart as a mentor.
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JacobkoshGamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderatormod
ya was gonna say the same thing. As much as I like John de Lancie it's messed up he's there instead
Is it just me or does this happen a lot with TNG photo shoots and reunions?
A lot of the TNG cast has been very open and accepting of their permanent role as those guys in Star Trek. Wil Wheaton hasn't been one of them. Not to the point of Avery Brooks or Robert Beltran, but he's way more responsive to literally anything else in his career than Star Trek.
oh what's the scoop on Robert Beltran in the present day? Does he super regret doing trek or?
A few years back Beltran called Voyager "penance for all of my sins," so that's your baseline, he really hated everything about the show and Star Trek in general.
He DID do a little online fan stuff last year, I think the first time since Voyager ended. He was asked about reprisal (in either a post-TNG show like Picard or Star Trek Online) and he said he'd need to see it and he'd have to like it a lot to consider, which sounds like a no to me.
wow interesting. I wonder if all the fake Native American stuff became a big problem or if specific things with fans happened or what. that sucks he's so down on it.
I've told this story here before, but in the early days of the Sci-Fi Channel, it had this Entertainment Tonight-style hype show called Sci-Fi Buzz. One of those "what's coming up in the new fall season", "behind the scenes with your favorite monster makeup artists" type things, right? The kind of shit Collider Media does now.
They devoted a whole episode to Voyager when it premiered, and were talking to each of the cast about their characters, and Beltran was like, "Yeah, I'm Robert Beltran, I play Chakotay. I was really excited to get this part and to portray a Native on a major network show. It's a great opportunity ....uh, they haven't told me what tribe he's from yet, but they say we'll find out. I'm as eager to learn as you are! [nervous laugh] Oh, and I have this tattoo...they woin't tell me what it means yet. I'm not sure they know themselves. [chuckle]"
Reading between the lines, and watching Beltran give the absolute bare minimum performance most of the time when he's clearly capable of better, it seems like he was excited to get to play a native but quickly learned the producers had no idea what they were doing and tuned out. He was bitching on air, in a promo piece for the pilot, about the stupid tattoo and it took them five or six years to finally address that. I'd probably feel trapped in purgatory too.
ya was gonna say the same thing. As much as I like John de Lancie it's messed up he's there instead
Is it just me or does this happen a lot with TNG photo shoots and reunions?
A lot of the TNG cast has been very open and accepting of their permanent role as those guys in Star Trek. Wil Wheaton hasn't been one of them. Not to the point of Avery Brooks or Robert Beltran, but he's way more responsive to literally anything else in his career than Star Trek.
I've never watched it but he's one of the hosts on The Ready Room, the CBS aftershow for new Trek. So he seems to be pretty comfortable being associated with the franchise.
Plus Sela was a good villain for TNG. The fact that they didn't bring her back for the movies or allude to what happened to her after Unification was a loss.
I can only hope that she shows up as a nemesis for Michelle Yeoh's character in the Section 31 show, her being both a Tal Shiar operative and the result of timey-whimey shenanigans.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
ya was gonna say the same thing. As much as I like John de Lancie it's messed up he's there instead
Is it just me or does this happen a lot with TNG photo shoots and reunions?
A lot of the TNG cast has been very open and accepting of their permanent role as those guys in Star Trek. Wil Wheaton hasn't been one of them. Not to the point of Avery Brooks or Robert Beltran, but he's way more responsive to literally anything else in his career than Star Trek.
oh what's the scoop on Robert Beltran in the present day? Does he super regret doing trek or?
A few years back Beltran called Voyager "penance for all of my sins," so that's your baseline, he really hated everything about the show and Star Trek in general.
He DID do a little online fan stuff last year, I think the first time since Voyager ended. He was asked about reprisal (in either a post-TNG show like Picard or Star Trek Online) and he said he'd need to see it and he'd have to like it a lot to consider, which sounds like a no to me.
wow interesting. I wonder if all the fake Native American stuff became a big problem or if specific things with fans happened or what. that sucks he's so down on it.
I've told this story here before, but in the early days of the Sci-Fi Channel, it had this Entertainment Tonight-style hype show called Sci-Fi Buzz. One of those "what's coming up in the new fall season", "behind the scenes with your favorite monster makeup artists" type things, right? The kind of shit Collider Media does now.
They devoted a whole episode to Voyager when it premiered, and were talking to each of the cast about their characters, and Beltran was like, "Yeah, I'm Robert Beltran, I play Chakotay. I was really excited to get this part and to portray a Native on a major network show. It's a great opportunity ....uh, they haven't told me what tribe he's from yet, but they say we'll find out. I'm as eager to learn as you are! [nervous laugh] Oh, and I have this tattoo...they woin't tell me what it means yet. I'm not sure they know themselves. [chuckle]"
Reading between the lines, and watching Beltran give the absolute bare minimum performance most of the time when he's clearly capable of better, it seems like he was excited to get to play a native but quickly learned the producers had no idea what they were doing and tuned out. He was bitching on air, in a promo piece for the pilot, about the stupid tattoo and it took them five or six years to finally address that. I'd probably feel trapped in purgatory too.
Yeah I don't blame Beltran for being pissed about the situation. Not only did he point out the problems, but they didn't do anything about them and basically told him to shut up and take it. If the same thing were to happen today he would either be forced to call them out publicly or get dragged through social media himself for the shitty portrayal. I'm pretty sure it would be the former, because fuck taking the fall for racists making racist decisions.
Plus Sela was a good villain for TNG. The fact that they didn't bring her back for the movies or allude to what happened to her after Unification was a loss.
I can only hope that she shows up as a nemesis for Michelle Yeoh's character in the Section 31 show, her being both a Tal Shiar operative and the result of timey-whimey shenanigans.
Sela would have been a much better villain in Nemesis. Then again, there is *so much* bad about that movie that it's not saying much.
She had a lot of great stuff in Star Trek Online at least.
Plus Sela was a good villain for TNG. The fact that they didn't bring her back for the movies or allude to what happened to her after Unification was a loss.
STO did a lot with her. To the point that it got a little annoying we weren't able to do anything but foil her latest plan, due to a combination of Joker Immunity and Crosby apparently insisting that the character not face anything more permanent because her son plays and would be upset. At least the latest putting her in jail seems to have stuck.
there's a pretty long list of people i'd rather see than Will Wheaton.
Dwight Schultz for example, or Robert O'Reilly or who ever else isn't dead...
I'd say Colm Meaney, but he probably has far better things to do with his time than remember star trek.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
ya was gonna say the same thing. As much as I like John de Lancie it's messed up he's there instead
Is it just me or does this happen a lot with TNG photo shoots and reunions?
A lot of the TNG cast has been very open and accepting of their permanent role as those guys in Star Trek. Wil Wheaton hasn't been one of them. Not to the point of Avery Brooks or Robert Beltran, but he's way more responsive to literally anything else in his career than Star Trek.
oh what's the scoop on Robert Beltran in the present day? Does he super regret doing trek or?
A few years back Beltran called Voyager "penance for all of my sins," so that's your baseline, he really hated everything about the show and Star Trek in general.
He DID do a little online fan stuff last year, I think the first time since Voyager ended. He was asked about reprisal (in either a post-TNG show like Picard or Star Trek Online) and he said he'd need to see it and he'd have to like it a lot to consider, which sounds like a no to me.
wow interesting. I wonder if all the fake Native American stuff became a big problem or if specific things with fans happened or what. that sucks he's so down on it.
I've told this story here before, but in the early days of the Sci-Fi Channel, it had this Entertainment Tonight-style hype show called Sci-Fi Buzz. One of those "what's coming up in the new fall season", "behind the scenes with your favorite monster makeup artists" type things, right? The kind of shit Collider Media does now.
They devoted a whole episode to Voyager when it premiered, and were talking to each of the cast about their characters, and Beltran was like, "Yeah, I'm Robert Beltran, I play Chakotay. I was really excited to get this part and to portray a Native on a major network show. It's a great opportunity ....uh, they haven't told me what tribe he's from yet, but they say we'll find out. I'm as eager to learn as you are! [nervous laugh] Oh, and I have this tattoo...they woin't tell me what it means yet. I'm not sure they know themselves. [chuckle]"
Reading between the lines, and watching Beltran give the absolute bare minimum performance most of the time when he's clearly capable of better, it seems like he was excited to get to play a native but quickly learned the producers had no idea what they were doing and tuned out. He was bitching on air, in a promo piece for the pilot, about the stupid tattoo and it took them five or six years to finally address that. I'd probably feel trapped in purgatory too.
this just generally makes me sad
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
there's a pretty long list of people i'd rather see than Will Wheaton.
Dwight Schultz for example, or Robert O'Reilly or who ever else isn't dead...
I'd say Colm Meaney, but he probably has far better things to do with his time than remember star trek.
Will Wheaton was literally part of the main cast and in the opening credits
there's a pretty long list of people i'd rather see than Will Wheaton.
Dwight Schultz for example, or Robert O'Reilly or who ever else isn't dead...
I'd say Colm Meaney, but he probably has far better things to do with his time than remember star trek.
Will Wheaton was literally part of the main cast and in the opening credits
the amount of shit people give him is insane
I've never understood the hate for Wesley. In hindsight, it's probably the first example of toxic fandom I personally saw. People seemed to take their reflexive hate for the new show and laser-focused on this one person. Then nobody wanted to let it go for a quarter century.
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I was a kid, growing up on TNG. Wesley was my self-insert. I never understood the hate. Hell, the way Bill Shatner treated him was simply unacceptable.
The hate itself is easy enough to understand. Wesley is and was always a bit of a bum character, especially early on. Even Will Wheaton has said that after watching early episodes, he "gets it". The existence of the hate is perfectly fine.
As with virtually everything in the damn world though, it's the level of the hate that's stupid and pathetic. Up to and including directing that hate onto the actor themselves.
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Yeah, hating the character is fine. Hating the actor is absolutely asinine.
Plus Sela was a good villain for TNG. The fact that they didn't bring her back for the movies or allude to what happened to her after Unification was a loss.
I can only hope that she shows up as a nemesis for Michelle Yeoh's character in the Section 31 show, her being both a Tal Shiar operative and the result of timey-whimey shenanigans.
Eh. I think Sela is vaguely interesting in concept but doesn't really end up doing much. Having rewatched the episode she's introduced in she's just kinda ... there. She's also in Unification Pt 2 and that's it. Neither episode really imo does anything with her story. It's just a cute excuse to bring the actress back. Which is sad cause I think you could do interesting very romulan stuff with her. Have her fucking with the Enterprise crew by trying to manipulate them via that emotional connection.
Also, I never even knew about the Wesley hate back in the day. I just wasn't tuned in to where ever that would have been happening. While rewatching the series in the last few years, I don't get it. He's ... he's fine? There's maybe a couple of episodes where he's annoying. In most of them he's just kinda there.
Yeah, hating the character is fine. Hating the actor is absolutely asinine.
Especially since Wheaton is evidently a gem based on everything we've seen since. I disliked Wesley, still mostly do, but I blame that on writing. Genius kids on adult programs don't tend to really hold out well. Nog and Jake on DS9 were so much better because they were... well... kids being kids and GREW into their adulthood.
there's a pretty long list of people i'd rather see than Will Wheaton.
Dwight Schultz for example, or Robert O'Reilly or who ever else isn't dead...
I'd say Colm Meaney, but he probably has far better things to do with his time than remember star trek.
I’d rather not see Dwight Schultz return to Trek given that he’s a big Trump supporter and a bit of a right-wing conspiracy theorist.
there's a pretty long list of people i'd rather see than Will Wheaton.
Dwight Schultz for example, or Robert O'Reilly or who ever else isn't dead...
I'd say Colm Meaney, but he probably has far better things to do with his time than remember star trek.
I’d rather not see Dwight Schultz return to Trek given that he’s a big Trump supporter and a bit of a right-wing conspiracy theorist.
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There's a petition to put up a statue of Benjamin Sisko in New Orleans.
I only found this out because I was curious about what the realGulDukat Trump-parody twitter has been doing since Trump is no longer president. This was their tweet on Jan 20:
there's a pretty long list of people i'd rather see than Will Wheaton.
Dwight Schultz for example, or Robert O'Reilly or who ever else isn't dead...
I'd say Colm Meaney, but he probably has far better things to do with his time than remember star trek.
I’d rather not see Dwight Schultz return to Trek given that he’s a big Trump supporter and a bit of a right-wing conspiracy theorist.
There's a petition to put up a statue of Benjamin Sisko in New Orleans.
I only found this out because I was curious about what the realGulDukat Trump-parody twitter has been doing since Trump is no longer president. This was their tweet on Jan 20:
You can never have to many shots at Voyager. Enterprise might get the blame for ending the TNG era of television Trek, but it was Voyager that really stuck the nails in the coffin. They wasted a skilled charismatic cast and unique premise. They wasted Trek itself.
IMO, nBSG did the ship cut of from aid, forced to scavenge for parts and supplies better. and it had a better ending! Yeah, I said it! and I stand by it. At least nBSG went the whole hog on the Deus Ex Machina ending. Voyager just had future Janeway decide to jump back in time, just because...
Give me actual God, over a megalomaniac Janeway.
BTW not a knock on Kate Mulgrew, she is awesome.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
Tng has been my background show for a bit and I just in the span of a couple days hit the "geordi is an ultra creep casually revealing stalkerish knowledge then yells at woman for not giving him a chance," episode, the distinct childhood memory high of "episode I had recorded on a vhs tape where geordi is turned into an invisible alien," and just now the wonderfully progressive "Dr crusher can't possibly continue to be in love with her Trill partner because their new host body would make the relationship non-cishet and quote humans just aren't ready to love like that"
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But why is Denise Crosby there? She was so unhappy on TNG that she asked to be written off the show before the first season even ended, but it seems like she's been happy to attach herself to the larger Trek machinery since then. It comes across as odd. I almost wonder if Q was in more episodes than Tasha Yar.
Nevermind: Q was only in 8 episodes (it really seems like more than that), and Tasha Yar (or Sela) was in 26ish.
wow interesting. I wonder if all the fake Native American stuff became a big problem or if specific things with fans happened or what. that sucks he's so down on it.
She was unhappy with the material she was getting (or rather: wasn't getting) and the fact that the studio nixed her having fights, because it was the 80s and women doing punching was scary. But it sounds like she loved the cast a lot and regarded Stewart as a mentor.
I've told this story here before, but in the early days of the Sci-Fi Channel, it had this Entertainment Tonight-style hype show called Sci-Fi Buzz. One of those "what's coming up in the new fall season", "behind the scenes with your favorite monster makeup artists" type things, right? The kind of shit Collider Media does now.
They devoted a whole episode to Voyager when it premiered, and were talking to each of the cast about their characters, and Beltran was like, "Yeah, I'm Robert Beltran, I play Chakotay. I was really excited to get this part and to portray a Native on a major network show. It's a great opportunity ....uh, they haven't told me what tribe he's from yet, but they say we'll find out. I'm as eager to learn as you are! [nervous laugh] Oh, and I have this tattoo...they woin't tell me what it means yet. I'm not sure they know themselves. [chuckle]"
Reading between the lines, and watching Beltran give the absolute bare minimum performance most of the time when he's clearly capable of better, it seems like he was excited to get to play a native but quickly learned the producers had no idea what they were doing and tuned out. He was bitching on air, in a promo piece for the pilot, about the stupid tattoo and it took them five or six years to finally address that. I'd probably feel trapped in purgatory too.
I've never watched it but he's one of the hosts on The Ready Room, the CBS aftershow for new Trek. So he seems to be pretty comfortable being associated with the franchise.
I can only hope that she shows up as a nemesis for Michelle Yeoh's character in the Section 31 show, her being both a Tal Shiar operative and the result of timey-whimey shenanigans.
Yeah I don't blame Beltran for being pissed about the situation. Not only did he point out the problems, but they didn't do anything about them and basically told him to shut up and take it. If the same thing were to happen today he would either be forced to call them out publicly or get dragged through social media himself for the shitty portrayal. I'm pretty sure it would be the former, because fuck taking the fall for racists making racist decisions.
Sela would have been a much better villain in Nemesis. Then again, there is *so much* bad about that movie that it's not saying much.
She had a lot of great stuff in Star Trek Online at least.
STO did a lot with her. To the point that it got a little annoying we weren't able to do anything but foil her latest plan, due to a combination of Joker Immunity and Crosby apparently insisting that the character not face anything more permanent because her son plays and would be upset. At least the latest putting her in jail seems to have stuck.
Dwight Schultz for example, or Robert O'Reilly or who ever else isn't dead...
I'd say Colm Meaney, but he probably has far better things to do with his time than remember star trek.
this just generally makes me sad
Will Wheaton was literally part of the main cast and in the opening credits
the amount of shit people give him is insane
I've never understood the hate for Wesley. In hindsight, it's probably the first example of toxic fandom I personally saw. People seemed to take their reflexive hate for the new show and laser-focused on this one person. Then nobody wanted to let it go for a quarter century.
As with virtually everything in the damn world though, it's the level of the hate that's stupid and pathetic. Up to and including directing that hate onto the actor themselves.
Eh. I think Sela is vaguely interesting in concept but doesn't really end up doing much. Having rewatched the episode she's introduced in she's just kinda ... there. She's also in Unification Pt 2 and that's it. Neither episode really imo does anything with her story. It's just a cute excuse to bring the actress back. Which is sad cause I think you could do interesting very romulan stuff with her. Have her fucking with the Enterprise crew by trying to manipulate them via that emotional connection.
Especially since Wheaton is evidently a gem based on everything we've seen since. I disliked Wesley, still mostly do, but I blame that on writing. Genius kids on adult programs don't tend to really hold out well. Nog and Jake on DS9 were so much better because they were... well... kids being kids and GREW into their adulthood.
I’d rather not see Dwight Schultz return to Trek given that he’s a big Trump supporter and a bit of a right-wing conspiracy theorist.
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I only found this out because I was curious about what the realGulDukat Trump-parody twitter has been doing since Trump is no longer president. This was their tweet on Jan 20:
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
I was sure I'd seen Wheaton tweet about this in the past:
(I found the original photographer instead)
Oh god damn it...
Amazing how this scene makes Dukat feel more human than Trump.
Michael Dorn. Worf.
heh this reply made me chuckle
I love Jet Reno
He was never Chief Engineer. He's a mycologist.
"The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I’d beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it." -- Jack Kirby
Kind of, most of season 2 saw him in the back seat to a hitchhiker, at one point I recall him calling himself the spore drive engineer.
Also, gotta love the parting shots at Voyager along the way. =P
IMO, nBSG did the ship cut of from aid, forced to scavenge for parts and supplies better. and it had a better ending! Yeah, I said it! and I stand by it. At least nBSG went the whole hog on the Deus Ex Machina ending. Voyager just had future Janeway decide to jump back in time, just because...
Give me actual God, over a megalomaniac Janeway.
BTW not a knock on Kate Mulgrew, she is awesome.
Edit: fixed
Er, don't you mean Ron Moore?
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
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