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My gut reaction is to say that maybe they let officers just choose what style of uniform they want. But at the same time, that kind of flies in the face of what a "uniform" is supposed to be. If you're going to be that freespirited about the whole thing, you might as well just make the "uniform" requirement a comm badge and command pips and that's it. Casual Friday, everyday.
For what it's worth, for a long time that was the official "uniform" policy for STO (acknowledging the reality that players are going to dress themselves and their crews however they liked). Even NPCs wore a mix of styles. In more recent years, however, they seem to have settled on the Odyssey uniform (inspired, I believe, by some of the novels) as the standard.
Also, that one guy in the TNG pilot was wearing a "skant", Gene's desperate attempt to claim that miniskirts weren't sexist/an excuse to show off the legs of the actresses, look, men wear them too!
I mean, if men and women wear miniskirts in roughly equal proportion then they aren't sexist. Guys can have nice legs, too.
I knew there was some weird term for it but I couldn't remember 'skant'. Thing was a skirt. I wish more dudes in TNG had been rocking the skant. Especially Data. He theoretically had ideal calves, why not show them off?
if that was true, Jadzia Dax would always be wearing a TOS uniform and Picard would always be wearing that jacket that fits way better.
And Riker could finally stop dominating chairs once he got a uniform that fit him.
It was his back, not the uniform.
I choose to believe that post-beard Riker would have always rocked the skirt that one dude (or dudette; I don't know how they identify) was wearing in the TNG pilot.
I was under the impression that the fit of the onesie uniform was exacerbating his existing back problems whenever he tried to sit normally.
I don't know where I heard that, or the accuracy of the statement though.
My gut reaction is to say that maybe they let officers just choose what style of uniform they want. But at the same time, that kind of flies in the face of what a "uniform" is supposed to be. If you're going to be that freespirited about the whole thing, you might as well just make the "uniform" requirement a comm badge and command pips and that's it. Casual Friday, everyday.
For what it's worth, for a long time that was the official "uniform" policy for STO (acknowledging the reality that players are going to dress themselves and their crews however they liked). Even NPCs wore a mix of styles. In more recent years, however, they seem to have settled on the Odyssey uniform (inspired, I believe, by some of the novels) as the standard.
Also, that one guy in the TNG pilot was wearing a "skant", Gene's desperate attempt to claim that miniskirts weren't sexist/an excuse to show off the legs of the actresses, look, men wear them too!
I mean, if men and women wear miniskirts in roughly equal proportion then they aren't sexist. Guys can have nice legs, too.
I knew there was some weird term for it but I couldn't remember 'skant'. Thing was a skirt. I wish more dudes in TNG had been rocking the skant. Especially Data. He theoretically had ideal calves, why not show them off?
It's not a skirt, it's a european carry ball.
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My gut reaction is to say that maybe they let officers just choose what style of uniform they want. But at the same time, that kind of flies in the face of what a "uniform" is supposed to be. If you're going to be that freespirited about the whole thing, you might as well just make the "uniform" requirement a comm badge and command pips and that's it. Casual Friday, everyday.
For what it's worth, for a long time that was the official "uniform" policy for STO (acknowledging the reality that players are going to dress themselves and their crews however they liked). Even NPCs wore a mix of styles. In more recent years, however, they seem to have settled on the Odyssey uniform (inspired, I believe, by some of the novels) as the standard.
Also, that one guy in the TNG pilot was wearing a "skant", Gene's desperate attempt to claim that miniskirts weren't sexist/an excuse to show off the legs of the actresses, look, men wear them too!
The official canon is still that captains set the uniform code for their ship, though, which is why you can have your bridge crew in anything from pre-Federation flight suits to black tie tuxedos and ballgowns.
I'm into season two of my first DS9 watch ever, but there's some insane shit here too.
There's an episode where the crew gets transported into a board game by a Gamma quadrant species, not Q.
They also establish that perfect cloning exists, then that doesn't come up again.
The game episode "Move along home" is considered the worst episode of DS9 period. Nobody but the writers like it and the cast are still making fun of it to this day.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
I'm into season two of my first DS9 watch ever, but there's some insane shit here too.
There's an episode where the crew gets transported into a board game by a Gamma quadrant species, not Q.
They also establish that perfect cloning exists, then that doesn't come up again.
The game episode "Move along home" is considered the worst episode of DS9 period. Nobody but the writers like it and the cast are still making fun of it to this day.
By whom? I can think of several worse episodes. Even from the same season. Move Along Home isn't good but it's not that bad. And the ending is actually really neat, with the alien rebuking them for being so silly as to think someone was going to die. It's just very very silly in a "I can't believe someone made this without dying of embarrassment" kind of way.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
It's silly and bad but it's no "Profit and Lace" by any means.
Oh shoot. I blot that one out of my mind every time. Yeah, that's by far the worst episode. I'd call it the worst episode of Star Trek anywhere but Enterprise exists.
"excuse my French
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
I'd say for Voyager Tattoo, the episode where we learn Native Americans were genetically programmed to be one with nature by white space aliens, is worse than Threshold. Threshold at least started with a halfway decent idea, evolution not necessarily always leading to bigger brains, it just went about exploring the idea in perhaps the dumbest way possible.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
I'd say for Voyager Tattoo, the episode where we learn Native Americans were genetically programmed to be one with nature by white space aliens, is worse than Threshold. Threshold at least started with a halfway decent idea, evolution not necessarily always leading to bigger brains, it just went about exploring the idea in perhaps the dumbest way possible.
Oh god yes. Tattoo is a war crime. After that how can anyone wonder why Robert Beltran hated Voyager?
Edit: In trying to find a summary and/or some screenshots of the episode to make sure it was the one I remembered, I first found 1) people who have a tattoo referencing NASA's Voyager probe and 2) a bunch of people with Star Trek tattoos. But the best one was finding out that Levar Burton has a Kunta tattoo:
It's not just Kunta, it says Levar if you look at it the other way.
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"excuse my French
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
Eh, season 4 of Enterprise was decent. Berman and Braga essentially left the show and put it in Manny Coto's hands. He did stuff like:
Fix the Vulcans and come up with a reason for why they were close-minded dogmatic assholes
Fix T'Pol, and remove the nonsensical mind meld AIDS thing she contracted
Add some intrigue with Terra Firma
Plus, the fun mirror universe episodes.
"These Are The Voyages..." was B&B's thing. It was dumb. It was offensive. And it felt more like an intentional FU from people who realized that the franchise was essentially dead - because they were the ones who killed it - than anything else.
TOS: Spock's Brain
TNG: Code of Honor
DS9: Profit and Lace
VOY: Threshold
ENT: These are the Voyages
Bad but not the worst:
TNG: Up the Long Ladder, Sub Rosa
DS9: Move Along Home
VOY: Every other episode
ENT: Every episode
I take umbrage with the "every other episodes" on both Voyager and Enterprise.
Voyager had legit excellent episodes and even had a couple close calls with greatness that they fucked up with a magic reset button because they'd filmed themselves into a corner or by having way too much Neelix (they expected him to be the breakout character but literally the first time a character spoke about Neelix without him present it was a diarrhea joke). Or like Year of Hell, turn great into eternal sorrow by admitting how much more it COULD have been.
Enterprise had... Like two actually great episodes before season 4? But it also had around that many legitimately awful ones. The whole show suffered from terminal mediocrity as it treaded water, setting itself too early for the Earth-Romulan War and too late for the actual dawn of interstellar travel and global unity right in the middle of this block of nothing happening while humans were a client race with nothing worth taking or destroying, to the point that even Archer being a perennial fuck up who left spacedock before his ship was finished couldn't sustain interest for more than a commercial break.
Night at the Sickbay has to be one of the worst episodes ever, maybe not as a stand alone thing but in the context of the show it was the point where everyone gave the franchise a middle finger and stopped watching. It's the episode that killed star trek.
Enterprise Season 4 was... ok in a vacuum I guess. Like, if you never heard of Enterprise nor watched seasons 1-3 and you just start that season with a blank slate, I guess it'd be ok. But saddled with three full seasons of what came before, it just can't succeed. The highest praise I can give it is that it was too little too late.
Dear Doctor is, I think, worse, since it was written to retcon all of Star Trek just to say, "Kirk and Picard were wrong, Janeway was right. Look Archer said prime directive, he just made that up, this is where it comes from."
Night in Sickbay gets one point for being the episode that proved once and for all that Archer was a madman unfit for duty, and that context elevates most of the series a notch or two.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
Reading the synopsis for Night at the Sickbay certainly reinforces my opinions that Archer was a whiny fucking moron and Enterprise was bad.
Enterprise Season 4 was... ok in a vacuum I guess. Like, if you never heard of Enterprise nor watched seasons 1-3 and you just start that season with a blank slate, I guess it'd be ok. But saddled with three full seasons of what came before, it just can't succeed. The highest praise I can give it is that it was too little too late.
S4 felt like it was trying to fix things that either didn't need to be fixed or that Enterprise broke in the first place.
And it still wasn't that good. Just good in comparison to itself. Watching TNG or DS9 the quality jump is huge imo. A big part of that is Enterprise is full of bland nobodies. Even Voyager's crew has more personality.
Just popping in to say that we watched Skin of Evil last night. It was as terrible as I remembered, and Denise Crosby got stiffed.
That said, there was some comedy value in spouse saying "Doesn't Tasha Yar die in season one?" She'd never seen the episode, so that was amusing.
But the story is still garbage - Armus is bad because they are a baddy, and they say that themselves!
The real insult was that she was buried in Windows XP
TOS: Spock's Brain
TNG: Code of Honor
DS9: Profit and Lace
VOY: Threshold
ENT: These are the Voyages
Bad but not the worst:
TNG: Up the Long Ladder, Sub Rosa
DS9: Move Along Home
VOY: Every other episode
ENT: Every episode
I take umbrage with the "every other episodes" on both Voyager and Enterprise.
Voyager had legit excellent episodes and even had a couple close calls with greatness that they fucked up with a magic reset button because they'd filmed themselves into a corner or by having way too much Neelix (they expected him to be the breakout character but literally the first time a character spoke about Neelix without him present it was a diarrhea joke). Or like Year of Hell, turn great into eternal sorrow by admitting how much more it COULD have been.
Enterprise had... Like two actually great episodes before season 4? But it also had around that many legitimately awful ones. The whole show suffered from terminal mediocrity as it treaded water, setting itself too early for the Earth-Romulan War and too late for the actual dawn of interstellar travel and global unity right in the middle of this block of nothing happening while humans were a client race with nothing worth taking or destroying, to the point that even Archer being a perennial fuck up who left spacedock before his ship was finished couldn't sustain interest for more than a commercial break.
Voyager did have some good episodes. Even a few great ones. But it's bad or awful ones were, yeah, every other episode. I think I said this upthread, but one episode on each 2-episode VHS was reliably mediocre to awful, and the other was reliably mediocre to decent.
I'm into season two of my first DS9 watch ever, but there's some insane shit here too.
There's an episode where the crew gets transported into a board game by a Gamma quadrant species, not Q.
They also establish that perfect cloning exists, then that doesn't come up again.
The game episode "Move along home" is considered the worst episode of DS9 period. Nobody but the writers like it and the cast are still making fun of it to this day.
By whom? I can think of several worse episodes. Even from the same season. Move Along Home isn't good but it's not that bad. And the ending is actually really neat, with the alien rebuking them for being so silly as to think someone was going to die. It's just very very silly in a "I can't believe someone made this without dying of embarrassment" kind of way.
The episode is... not good, but I do appreciate very much that it subverts the bolded trope, with the guest star hanging a lampshade on how crazy and/or just stupid the way it's usually handled is.
I'm into season two of my first DS9 watch ever, but there's some insane shit here too.
There's an episode where the crew gets transported into a board game by a Gamma quadrant species, not Q.
They also establish that perfect cloning exists, then that doesn't come up again.
The game episode "Move along home" is considered the worst episode of DS9 period. Nobody but the writers like it and the cast are still making fun of it to this day.
By whom? I can think of several worse episodes. Even from the same season. Move Along Home isn't good but it's not that bad. And the ending is actually really neat, with the alien rebuking them for being so silly as to think someone was going to die. It's just very very silly in a "I can't believe someone made this without dying of embarrassment" kind of way.
The episode is... not good, but I do appreciate very much that it subverts the bolded trope, with the guest star hanging a lampshade on how crazy and/or just stupid the way it's usually handled is.
Move Along Home's story is basically a genre onto itself. And it's one where, at least in film or TV, you either need clever writing or a big budget. And the less of one you have, the more of the other you need. Basically the game and how they solve it needs to be interesting and clever or it needs to be an awesome spectacle. Move Along Home doesn't have the budget for anything interesting and the game isn't interesting or clever enough to carry it without that, so it just ends up being silly and dumb and uninteresting.
I'm into season two of my first DS9 watch ever, but there's some insane shit here too.
There's an episode where the crew gets transported into a board game by a Gamma quadrant species, not Q.
They also establish that perfect cloning exists, then that doesn't come up again.
The game episode "Move along home" is considered the worst episode of DS9 period. Nobody but the writers like it and the cast are still making fun of it to this day.
By whom? I can think of several worse episodes. Even from the same season. Move Along Home isn't good but it's not that bad. And the ending is actually really neat, with the alien rebuking them for being so silly as to think someone was going to die. It's just very very silly in a "I can't believe someone made this without dying of embarrassment" kind of way.
The episode is... not good, but I do appreciate very much that it subverts the bolded trope, with the guest star hanging a lampshade on how crazy and/or just stupid the way it's usually handled is.
Move Along Home's story is basically a genre onto itself. And it's one where, at least in film or TV, you either need clever writing or a big budget. And the less of one you have, the more of the other you need. Basically the game and how they solve it needs to be interesting and clever or it needs to be an awesome spectacle. Move Along Home doesn't have the budget for anything interesting and the game isn't interesting or clever enough to carry it without that, so it just ends up being silly and dumb and uninteresting.
Yup!
And again, I'm there basically just to watch someone take a wrecking ball to it. Because it's dumb and bad.
I’ve started Discovery season 3 and..eh. As uninspired as ENT and VOY were, I feel like their writing had a...basic level of competence? I’m not sure I can say the same about DISCO.
BOOK: How much did you leave behind?
MICHAEL: 930 years.
BOOK: Why?
MICHAEL: To ensure the future. A future.
BOOK: Thank you.
....blech. Not only is the “ensure the future” line inherently clunky, but it would make absolutely no sense to Book, so why the thanks?
Also watched thru Lower Decks. I kinda want to sit the creators down in front of some Looney Toons so they can learn how visual gags are supposed to work. The opening gag in the credits with the ship falling towards a sun is so over-complicated and difficult to parse and unfunny. (The one where the ship turns away from the Borg battle was pretty good, tho.)
Overall I kinda enjoyed it but thought maybe it could've leaned into its central premise more? The idea that they're a lower tier ship that specializes in "second contact" feels like something they only pay lip service to, as they wind up getting into the exact same kind of scrapes that the Enterprise D did. The finale is so over-the-top and action-packed I assumed the twist was going to be that it was another holo-movie.
Re: Move Along Home - I will not hear another bad word said about the Frank Zappa Tom Bombadil Aliens. They are a delightful nod to the Tranya-swilling, Styrofoam-boulder-hucking vein of Trek's roots and seeing Kira, Sisko, et. al have to deal with a chunk of the universe that was not just inexplicable but campy about it is a fine way to pass 40 minutes. It's a shame that the episode landed too early in the run for Worf to be stuck in there hopscotching around, simmering and then boiling because there's no way to leverage glowering and punches to get out faster. I really hope we get a check-in with them in Lower Decks.
I think the thing that does it in is that the characters are not established enough at this point for them to really suss out the humor of this particular group of people being stuck in such a ridiculous game and thinking that their lives depend on it. I feel like the plot line could've been done a lot more capably in later seasons when you know everyone better and they've already been through much more serious things and as such the goofy episodes land better.
I’ve started Discovery season 3 and..eh. As uninspired as ENT and VOY were, I feel like their writing had a...basic level of competence? I’m not sure I can say the same about DISCO.
BOOK: How much did you leave behind?
MICHAEL: 930 years.
BOOK: Why?
MICHAEL: To ensure the future. A future.
BOOK: Thank you.
....blech. Not only is the “ensure the future” line inherently clunky, but it would make absolutely no sense to Book, so why the thanks?
I'll flip on a episode of voyager, and it'll be bad, but i'll watch it and get enjoyment out of it
I can't say that about any episodes of Disco. I can not imagine myself ever rewatching an episode randomly for funsies.
That's 2003 Hugo Award nominee for Best Dramatic Presentation (short form) A Night in Sickbay to you
Don't worry though, an episode of Buffy ultimately won, proving once and for all that Buffy is better than Star Trek
I'm not sure how I feel about the 2004 award going to Gollum's MTV Movie Awards speech over not one but two episodes of Firefly, but, well, it is a good speech
That's 2003 Hugo Award nominee for Best Dramatic Presentation (short form) A Night in Sickbay to you
Don't worry though, an episode of Buffy ultimately won, proving once and for all that Buffy is better than Star Trek
I'm not sure how I feel about the 2004 award going to Gollum's MTV Movie Awards speech over not one but two episodes of Firefly, but, well, it is a good speech
Well it is the best acceptance speech for an MTV Movie Award ever
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
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PolarisI am powerless against the sky.Registered Userregular
Anything after Seven started on Voyager is generally watchable, not great, but ok.
I'm kinda but not really rewatching Enterprise. The odd thing is how I felt that the premise and some of the setup and gungho-ness was actually a good hook, but then immediately they take a dump on it by having the Vulcans as villains in a totally unrealistic way. They could have easily played this a little softer but with some misguided desire to create conflict ended up with this. Don't even get me started with the temporal-cold-war nonsense. A waste of a potentially interesting premise imo.
I do genuinely like Shan though, and everything surrounding him - the humans cutting straight across the mistrust really felt right. The show just couldn't get away from sustained mediocrity. Season 3 is hot garbage, S4 was "good" and had some good Trek lore but also was just ret-conning a lot of the previous rubbish.
I like Discovery, but would kill for a new TNG/TOS-style episode of week series complete with hopeful-peaceful resolution.
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Inquisitor772 x Penny Arcade Fight Club ChampionA fixed point in space and timeRegistered Userregular
The biggest problem with Enterprise is that it is 100% unadulterated boring. The characters are boring. The plots are boring. Even the Enterprise set itself is boring. There are a lot of great premises and somehow in the execution it all turns to boring mush. Even the stuff they blatantly rip off from previous series are somehow done more boring. Which I guess is a testament to Voyager's ability to rehash stories and at least not make them complete snoozefests. I distinctly remember falling asleep while watching Enterprise, which is exactly when I decided to stop watching it entirely.
I feel like i'd take a bad episode that's bad due to terrible ideas, like that one where Barkley turns in to spider man, over a boring episode like The Outrageous Okona.
Voyager is at least not boring, like it's not exciting but at least the episodes have a pace that keeps you watching.
The biggest problem with Enterprise is that it is 100% unadulterated boring. The characters are boring. The plots are boring. Even the Enterprise set itself is boring. There are a lot of great premises and somehow in the execution it all turns to boring mush. Even the stuff they blatantly rip off from previous series are somehow done more boring. Which I guess is a testament to Voyager's ability to rehash stories and at least not make them complete snoozefests. I distinctly remember falling asleep while watching Enterprise, which is exactly when I decided to stop watching it entirely.
It had a concept but like somebody said: It was too late for the actual Earth building itself into the paradise we know(with the aftermath of WW3) and too early for the Earth-Romulan war.
It was also stuck with the name Enterprise, which was the exact wrong name, because 2 previous series and a major motion picture had established that there where 5 ships in Starfleet history with that name. Retroactively shitting on the achievements of Kirk and co, since instead of being a ship crew so awesome they decided to keep the name around as a good luck charm, we had Archer and co. Which left you with a question of why they would name another ship Enterprise ever again.
Endeavour, Endurance or Espérance would have been better names and that is just explorer ships.
Plus the ship design sucked, It was a Akira class turned upside down.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
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I mean, if men and women wear miniskirts in roughly equal proportion then they aren't sexist. Guys can have nice legs, too.
I knew there was some weird term for it but I couldn't remember 'skant'. Thing was a skirt. I wish more dudes in TNG had been rocking the skant. Especially Data. He theoretically had ideal calves, why not show them off?
I was under the impression that the fit of the onesie uniform was exacerbating his existing back problems whenever he tried to sit normally.
I don't know where I heard that, or the accuracy of the statement though.
It's not a skirt, it's a european carry ball.
If you want to know the actual answer:
There's an episode where the crew gets transported into a board game by a Gamma quadrant species, not Q.
They also establish that perfect cloning exists, then that doesn't come up again.
The official canon is still that captains set the uniform code for their ship, though, which is why you can have your bridge crew in anything from pre-Federation flight suits to black tie tuxedos and ballgowns.
Because STO endgame is Space Barbie.
The game episode "Move along home" is considered the worst episode of DS9 period. Nobody but the writers like it and the cast are still making fun of it to this day.
By whom? I can think of several worse episodes. Even from the same season. Move Along Home isn't good but it's not that bad. And the ending is actually really neat, with the alien rebuking them for being so silly as to think someone was going to die. It's just very very silly in a "I can't believe someone made this without dying of embarrassment" kind of way.
Oh shoot. I blot that one out of my mind every time. Yeah, that's by far the worst episode. I'd call it the worst episode of Star Trek anywhere but Enterprise exists.
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
TOS: Spock's Brain
TNG: Code of Honor
DS9: Profit and Lace
VOY: Threshold
ENT: These are the Voyages
Bad but not the worst:
TNG: Up the Long Ladder, Sub Rosa
DS9: Move Along Home
VOY: Every other episode
ENT: Every episode
Oh god yes. Tattoo is a war crime. After that how can anyone wonder why Robert Beltran hated Voyager?
Edit: In trying to find a summary and/or some screenshots of the episode to make sure it was the one I remembered, I first found 1) people who have a tattoo referencing NASA's Voyager probe and 2) a bunch of people with Star Trek tattoos. But the best one was finding out that Levar Burton has a Kunta tattoo:
It's not just Kunta, it says Levar if you look at it the other way.
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
Fix the Vulcans and come up with a reason for why they were close-minded dogmatic assholes
Fix T'Pol, and remove the nonsensical mind meld AIDS thing she contracted
Add some intrigue with Terra Firma
Plus, the fun mirror universe episodes.
"These Are The Voyages..." was B&B's thing. It was dumb. It was offensive. And it felt more like an intentional FU from people who realized that the franchise was essentially dead - because they were the ones who killed it - than anything else.
I take umbrage with the "every other episodes" on both Voyager and Enterprise.
Voyager had legit excellent episodes and even had a couple close calls with greatness that they fucked up with a magic reset button because they'd filmed themselves into a corner or by having way too much Neelix (they expected him to be the breakout character but literally the first time a character spoke about Neelix without him present it was a diarrhea joke). Or like Year of Hell, turn great into eternal sorrow by admitting how much more it COULD have been.
Enterprise had... Like two actually great episodes before season 4? But it also had around that many legitimately awful ones. The whole show suffered from terminal mediocrity as it treaded water, setting itself too early for the Earth-Romulan War and too late for the actual dawn of interstellar travel and global unity right in the middle of this block of nothing happening while humans were a client race with nothing worth taking or destroying, to the point that even Archer being a perennial fuck up who left spacedock before his ship was finished couldn't sustain interest for more than a commercial break.
Night in Sickbay gets one point for being the episode that proved once and for all that Archer was a madman unfit for duty, and that context elevates most of the series a notch or two.
S4 felt like it was trying to fix things that either didn't need to be fixed or that Enterprise broke in the first place.
And it still wasn't that good. Just good in comparison to itself. Watching TNG or DS9 the quality jump is huge imo. A big part of that is Enterprise is full of bland nobodies. Even Voyager's crew has more personality.
Voyager did have some good episodes. Even a few great ones. But it's bad or awful ones were, yeah, every other episode. I think I said this upthread, but one episode on each 2-episode VHS was reliably mediocre to awful, and the other was reliably mediocre to decent.
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The episode is... not good, but I do appreciate very much that it subverts the bolded trope, with the guest star hanging a lampshade on how crazy and/or just stupid the way it's usually handled is.
Move Along Home's story is basically a genre onto itself. And it's one where, at least in film or TV, you either need clever writing or a big budget. And the less of one you have, the more of the other you need. Basically the game and how they solve it needs to be interesting and clever or it needs to be an awesome spectacle. Move Along Home doesn't have the budget for anything interesting and the game isn't interesting or clever enough to carry it without that, so it just ends up being silly and dumb and uninteresting.
Yup!
And again, I'm there basically just to watch someone take a wrecking ball to it. Because it's dumb and bad.
BOOK: How much did you leave behind?
MICHAEL: 930 years.
BOOK: Why?
MICHAEL: To ensure the future. A future.
BOOK: Thank you.
....blech. Not only is the “ensure the future” line inherently clunky, but it would make absolutely no sense to Book, so why the thanks?
Overall I kinda enjoyed it but thought maybe it could've leaned into its central premise more? The idea that they're a lower tier ship that specializes in "second contact" feels like something they only pay lip service to, as they wind up getting into the exact same kind of scrapes that the Enterprise D did. The finale is so over-the-top and action-packed I assumed the twist was going to be that it was another holo-movie.
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That's 2003 Hugo Award nominee for Best Dramatic Presentation (short form) A Night in Sickbay to you
I'll flip on a episode of voyager, and it'll be bad, but i'll watch it and get enjoyment out of it
I can't say that about any episodes of Disco. I can not imagine myself ever rewatching an episode randomly for funsies.
I'm not sure how I feel about the 2004 award going to Gollum's MTV Movie Awards speech over not one but two episodes of Firefly, but, well, it is a good speech
Worf wasn't kidding.
Well it is the best acceptance speech for an MTV Movie Award ever
I'm kinda but not really rewatching Enterprise. The odd thing is how I felt that the premise and some of the setup and gungho-ness was actually a good hook, but then immediately they take a dump on it by having the Vulcans as villains in a totally unrealistic way. They could have easily played this a little softer but with some misguided desire to create conflict ended up with this. Don't even get me started with the temporal-cold-war nonsense. A waste of a potentially interesting premise imo.
I do genuinely like Shan though, and everything surrounding him - the humans cutting straight across the mistrust really felt right. The show just couldn't get away from sustained mediocrity. Season 3 is hot garbage, S4 was "good" and had some good Trek lore but also was just ret-conning a lot of the previous rubbish.
I like Discovery, but would kill for a new TNG/TOS-style episode of week series complete with hopeful-peaceful resolution.
Voyager is at least not boring, like it's not exciting but at least the episodes have a pace that keeps you watching.
It had a concept but like somebody said: It was too late for the actual Earth building itself into the paradise we know(with the aftermath of WW3) and too early for the Earth-Romulan war.
It was also stuck with the name Enterprise, which was the exact wrong name, because 2 previous series and a major motion picture had established that there where 5 ships in Starfleet history with that name. Retroactively shitting on the achievements of Kirk and co, since instead of being a ship crew so awesome they decided to keep the name around as a good luck charm, we had Archer and co. Which left you with a question of why they would name another ship Enterprise ever again.
Endeavour, Endurance or Espérance would have been better names and that is just explorer ships.
Plus the ship design sucked, It was a Akira class turned upside down.