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Star Trek: Lower Decks trailer is out. SPOILERS in effect!
I watched TOS City at the Edge of Forever last night. Maybe I'm spoiled by more modern storytelling but I was very unimpressed. There's something about having to kill a peace worker to ensure WWII happens and America enters the war that seems very 1960s to me. Plus they spent half the episode setting up the premise and rushed the ending. It probably should have been a two-parter.
Yes, but... REED ALERT! Seriously, why did they need to explain the origins of Red Alert?
The same reason for "Han... Solo."
I'm still waiting on the Star Trek prequel origin story of the Omega Particle that is a two-hour-long cinematic detailed linguistic history of the letter Ω.
Yes, but... REED ALERT! Seriously, why did they need to explain the origins of Red Alert?
The same reason for "Han... Solo."
I'm still waiting on the Star Trek prequel origin story of the Omega Particle that is a two-hour-long cinematic detailed linguistic history of the letter Ω.
Except that would actually be interesting. 2 hours might be a bit short, actually.
I watched TOS City at the Edge of Forever last night. Maybe I'm spoiled by more modern storytelling but I was very unimpressed. There's something about having to kill a peace worker to ensure WWII happens and America enters the war that seems very 1960s to me. Plus they spent half the episode setting up the premise and rushed the ending. It probably should have been a two-parter.
stunted man-child who needs to be convinced to leave his mother’s basement. Who says Discovery doesn’t pander to hardcore Star Trek fans!
-Isn’t it thematically a little weird that
bad guys are the ones offering a generous peace deal and the good guys are the ones rejecting it? I feel like the sticking point should’ve maybe been the slavery. Something meatier than whether one individual goes on trial.
Was Carl originally going to be
Q? His whole schtick seems very Q-like and not very Guardian-like.
stunted man-child who needs to be convinced to leave his mother’s basement. Who says Discovery doesn’t pander to hardcore Star Trek fans!
-Isn’t it thematically a little weird that
bad guys are the ones offering a generous peace deal and the good guys are the ones rejecting it? I feel like the sticking point should’ve maybe been the slavery. Something meatier than whether one individual goes on trial.
Was Carl originally going to be
Q? His whole schtick seems very Q-like and not very Guardian-like.
Man we haven't seen him in like 800-900 years, let him grow a bit, sheesh.
stunted man-child who needs to be convinced to leave his mother’s basement. Who says Discovery doesn’t pander to hardcore Star Trek fans!
-Isn’t it thematically a little weird that
bad guys are the ones offering a generous peace deal and the good guys are the ones rejecting it? I feel like the sticking point should’ve maybe been the slavery. Something meatier than whether one individual goes on trial.
Was Carl originally going to be
Q? His whole schtick seems very Q-like and not very Guardian-like.
Man we haven't seen him in like 800-900 years, let him grow a bit, sheesh.
Considering his age that’s like one day from his perspective!
Switched from Discovery to TNG and the crew is acting professionally and no one is committing mutiny or having breakdowns. also there’s no supervillain from an evil mirror universe wandering around the ship. very weird
Switched from Discovery to TNG and the crew is acting professionally and no one is committing mutiny or having breakdowns. also there’s no supervillain from an evil mirror universe wandering around the ship. very weird
Don’t worry, if you wait a few minutes, a Betazed ambassador will try to bang Picard, and then some of the characters will be forced to relive a cliched terrible novel by acting in cliched, terrible ways in a hotel for some reason. If you’re really lucky, alien parasites will cause Riker to relive the season as a clip show.
Season 2 of TNG had some doozies, is what I’m saying here.
Star Trek meets Oregon Trail. Literally, got my whole crew killed by space dysentery my first try.
Supposedly the first three people to find the solution win a lifetime of CBS All Access... Hopefully that would carry over to Paramount+ or that's an awful short lifetime.
Supposedly the first three people to find the solution win a lifetime of CBS All Access... Hopefully that would carry over to Paramount+ or that's an awful short lifetime.
my understanding is paramount+ is the literal same service, it's simply a name/app rebranding
edit - just checked and the official rules specifically mention lifetime of paramount+
Well, hack the simulation - the game-in-a-game, through normal play of the game. Supposedly. Failed to hold my interest after several random deaths at which point I realized the prize was getting to watch all the Star Trek Discovery I want, and usually games with prizes that stupid at least involve beer or sex.
Switched from Discovery to TNG and the crew is acting professionally and no one is committing mutiny or having breakdowns. also there’s no supervillain from an evil mirror universe wandering around the ship. very weird
I feel like this very succinctly captures the most consistent complaint about new Trek: it's not exactly the same as old Trek.
Switched from Discovery to TNG and the crew is acting professionally and no one is committing mutiny or having breakdowns. also there’s no supervillain from an evil mirror universe wandering around the ship. very weird
I feel like this very succinctly captures the most consistent complaint about new Trek: it's not exactly the same as old Trek.
It's fine for a new Star Trek series to be different, but IMHO neither Discovery nor Picard were even thematically similar. In each it felt like the story and style are from some other scifi project they couldn't get greenlit and then they put the Star Trek name and cameos in to sell it.
And honestly even then I'd be a lot more forgiving if, y'know, the show's actually good. At this point I've given up on Star Trek media being pushed to keep their streaming service alive unless it has incredible praise from fans and critics.
Switched from Discovery to TNG and the crew is acting professionally and no one is committing mutiny or having breakdowns. also there’s no supervillain from an evil mirror universe wandering around the ship. very weird
I feel like this very succinctly captures the most consistent complaint about new Trek: it's not exactly the same as old Trek.
I really don't care what it is, I know what it isn't. Good and entertaining TV.
Switched from Discovery to TNG and the crew is acting professionally and no one is committing mutiny or having breakdowns. also there’s no supervillain from an evil mirror universe wandering around the ship. very weird
I feel like this very succinctly captures the most consistent complaint about new Trek: it's not exactly the same as old Trek.
It's fine for a new Star Trek series to be different, but IMHO neither Discovery nor Picard were even thematically similar. In each it felt like the story and style are from some other scifi project they couldn't get greenlit and then they put the Star Trek name and cameos in to sell it.
And honestly even then I'd be a lot more forgiving if, y'know, the show's actually good. At this point I've given up on Star Trek media being pushed to keep their streaming service alive unless it has incredible praise from fans and critics.
Personally I enjoyed Disco, but I'm not going to argue it's objectively good, and I don't hold it against anybody for not enjoying it on it's own terms.
I just don't really feel like one of it's failings is not being Star Trek enough. I guess we all carry our own perception of what the essence of a thing is, but I was comfortable enough that the new shows explored the principles of Star Fleet in different ways, rather than just re-skinning a generic sci-fi story with Trek logos.
To be fair though that is just based on what I think of as "what Star Trek is", and I'm a relative late comer to the series. I appreciate that people who have spent more time churning the older shows over in their mind would have developed a more specific sense of the core tenets of the franchise.
what is generally considered the most fucked up thing to happen to a person in trek
for my money i would say its when o brien effectively serves a life sentence in brain prison for shit he didn't even do
like at least picard's time dilation episode wasn't in prison and he got to lead a normal life in that time period
what is generally considered the most fucked up thing to happen to a person in trek
for my money i would say its when o brien effectively serves a life sentence in brain prison for shit he didn't even do
like at least picard's time dilation episode wasn't in prison and he got to lead a normal life in that time period
I genuinely love that episode, "Hard Time" I think it's called, on it's own merits and just as much for codifying the idea that the universe itself fucking hates Miles O'Brien. There had to be bets in the writer's room to see who could come up with the best ways to make him suffer, and then someone either won or lost a bet, and they did that episode where Molly gets lost in time and becomes a feral cave person.
It is interesting (and true) to see they way the shows used similar concepts over the course of the different shows. You get an episode like "The Inner Light" where it's terribly upsetting but still optimistic. Then you get "Hard Time" which is just as upsetting but not necessarily optimistic. But by the time they reuse that concept for Voyager, it's just Paris framed for murder and his sentence is reliving the murder scene over and over again. God help me, I don't remember if they did an Enterprise version of that concept.
I think Harry Kim has an argument to make. He didn't suffer as much as O'Brien, but he had a few individual sufferings that were definitely leftover DS9 scripts.
The entire crew died and it was his fault. He lived with that guilt for decades before figuring out a way to commit pretty-much-suicide and bring them back to life at the same time.
He saw his girlfriend die horribly, and nobody even mentioned it until several years later when her space necromancy reanimated corpse shows up and wants a second date.
In the meantime, he also died. They brought in an alternate universe version of him and just shrugged it all off.
It's not just the suffering, but the casual callousness the rest of the crew treated it with. At least when O'Brien suffered, the station was sympathetic. In particularly serious instances the entire crew focused their efforts on helping him, shoving important A-plot events to the continuity backburner. When Harry Kim suffered, Janeway told the doctor to warm up the vats and get ready to decant #3, just in case.
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When you wreak havoc across a whole quadrant, a single Harry Kim isn't even a statistic.
There should be a gag on Lower Decks where Harry Kim is still an ensign. Voyager integrated a Maquis crew making several of them officers; Paris got demoted, reinstated, and then promoted; Tuvok got promoted; Neelix was named Ambassador, a former Borg drone was effectively made Chief Tactical Officer; the Doctor was made Acting Captain... Seven years in the Delta Quadrant and Harry is still an ensign.
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I got it!
Harry Kim is a tragedy. Miles O'Brien is a statistic.
I think Seven was more Chief Science Officer, she even built a super sensor suite for the ship. The one time she wore a uniform, admittedly undercover, it was science department teal.
I think Seven was more Chief Science Officer, she even built a super sensor suite for the ship. The one time she wore a uniform, admittedly undercover, it was science department teal.
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The same reason for "Han... Solo."
I'm still waiting on the Star Trek prequel origin story of the Omega Particle that is a two-hour-long cinematic detailed linguistic history of the letter Ω.
Except that would actually be interesting. 2 hours might be a bit short, actually.
-I like how the finale revolved around a
-Isn’t it thematically a little weird that
Was Carl originally going to be
Man we haven't seen him in like 800-900 years, let him grow a bit, sheesh.
https://www.comicsbeat.com/fandom-flames-babylon-5-remaster/
But fuck you — no, fuck y'all, that's as blunt as it gets"
- Kendrick Lamar, "The Blacker the Berry"
Don’t worry, if you wait a few minutes, a Betazed ambassador will try to bang Picard, and then some of the characters will be forced to relive a cliched terrible novel by acting in cliched, terrible ways in a hotel for some reason. If you’re really lucky, alien parasites will cause Riker to relive the season as a clip show.
Season 2 of TNG had some doozies, is what I’m saying here.
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Yup. Similar situation to the end of S1 with Conspiracy and the aliens who never show up again.
"The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I’d beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it." -- Jack Kirby
(unless they're Eddington)
Star Trek meets Oregon Trail. Literally, got my whole crew killed by space dysentery my first try.
Supposedly the first three people to find the solution win a lifetime of CBS All Access... Hopefully that would carry over to Paramount+ or that's an awful short lifetime.
Janeway: I AM TERROR. I met fear and he was afraid.
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edit - just checked and the official rules specifically mention lifetime of paramount+
god DAMNIT, Miles.
It's fine for a new Star Trek series to be different, but IMHO neither Discovery nor Picard were even thematically similar. In each it felt like the story and style are from some other scifi project they couldn't get greenlit and then they put the Star Trek name and cameos in to sell it.
And honestly even then I'd be a lot more forgiving if, y'know, the show's actually good. At this point I've given up on Star Trek media being pushed to keep their streaming service alive unless it has incredible praise from fans and critics.
I really don't care what it is, I know what it isn't. Good and entertaining TV.
Personally I enjoyed Disco, but I'm not going to argue it's objectively good, and I don't hold it against anybody for not enjoying it on it's own terms.
I just don't really feel like one of it's failings is not being Star Trek enough. I guess we all carry our own perception of what the essence of a thing is, but I was comfortable enough that the new shows explored the principles of Star Fleet in different ways, rather than just re-skinning a generic sci-fi story with Trek logos.
To be fair though that is just based on what I think of as "what Star Trek is", and I'm a relative late comer to the series. I appreciate that people who have spent more time churning the older shows over in their mind would have developed a more specific sense of the core tenets of the franchise.
for my money i would say its when o brien effectively serves a life sentence in brain prison for shit he didn't even do
like at least picard's time dilation episode wasn't in prison and he got to lead a normal life in that time period
I genuinely love that episode, "Hard Time" I think it's called, on it's own merits and just as much for codifying the idea that the universe itself fucking hates Miles O'Brien. There had to be bets in the writer's room to see who could come up with the best ways to make him suffer, and then someone either won or lost a bet, and they did that episode where Molly gets lost in time and becomes a feral cave person.
It is interesting (and true) to see they way the shows used similar concepts over the course of the different shows. You get an episode like "The Inner Light" where it's terribly upsetting but still optimistic. Then you get "Hard Time" which is just as upsetting but not necessarily optimistic. But by the time they reuse that concept for Voyager, it's just Paris framed for murder and his sentence is reliving the murder scene over and over again. God help me, I don't remember if they did an Enterprise version of that concept.
The entire crew died and it was his fault. He lived with that guilt for decades before figuring out a way to commit pretty-much-suicide and bring them back to life at the same time.
He saw his girlfriend die horribly, and nobody even mentioned it until several years later when her space necromancy reanimated corpse shows up and wants a second date.
In the meantime, he also died. They brought in an alternate universe version of him and just shrugged it all off.
It's not just the suffering, but the casual callousness the rest of the crew treated it with. At least when O'Brien suffered, the station was sympathetic. In particularly serious instances the entire crew focused their efforts on helping him, shoving important A-plot events to the continuity backburner. When Harry Kim suffered, Janeway told the doctor to warm up the vats and get ready to decant #3, just in case.
Harry Kim is a tragedy. Miles O'Brien is a statistic.
And much like Troi she looked better in it
I don't know why the showrunners thought the pajama look was more flattering for both of those characters.
I wouldn't say flattering exactly, but I'm pretty sure we all know what the showrunners were thinking when it came to Jeri Ryan's outfit.