There are two periods where the legend of The Ghost could be put to good use IMO: Sengoku and Bakumatsu.
The Ghost isn't one person. It's a legend and an idea.
Those settings are pretty played out. I liked this game focusing on less well-trod historical ground.
Gimme a sequel where a new Ghost is helping a community of Hidden Christians in the 1700s or something.
Sengoku is for sure but Bakumatsu?
The Boshin War specifically. I'm not sure it would be a good idea to set a whole samurai action story in the prewar era before everything starts popping off, but more power to anyone with the guts to try.
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I think making it an anthology series is a cool and good idea, but there’s a part of me that thinks they’ll just move Jin to Kyushu, Shikoku, or Okinawa and have him get embroiled in samurai clan power plays that disillusion him further
It gives them the opportunity to do some faction systems, maybe a nemesis or AC Odyssey mercenary system on top of it, makes the world bigger, and keeps their semi-beloved main character around, because name recognition and brand identity and other corporate bullshit
Of course it would also require them to be more critical of the samurai than I think they want to be but y’know. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part
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The problem with continuing with Jin is they will need to find reasons to keep depowering him, otherwise they won’t keep as meaningful progression as the first game. There’s only so much you can amp him up before it starts getting ridiculous - he was already batshit insane powerful by the end of this game.
An anthology lets them keep him around - maybe in a quest giver role like Lady Masako or even a main plot player like Yuna - while building up other characters.
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The problem with continuing with Jin is they will need to find reasons to keep depowering him, otherwise they won’t keep as meaningful progression as the first game. There’s only so much you can amp him up before it starts getting ridiculous - he was already batshit insane powerful by the end of this game.
An anthology lets them keep him around - maybe in a quest giver role like Lady Masako or even a main plot player like Yuna - while building up other characters.
Jin's powerups are kunai, gunpowder, poison, way of the flame, heavenly strike, dance of wrath, and ghost stance/terrify. Everything else is armors/charms, bows, assassination perks, and health/resolve increases. Oh and Taka's grappling hook.
Of those, gunpowder can be gone with the Mongols, Jin can swear off poison, Way of the flame is dependent on the flame rock, Heavenly Strike is an Unblockable attack that every Strawhat already has and Dance of Wrath is just Heavenly Strike x3, and you terrify people by reputation which is probably also gone with the Mongols.
So I think as long as Jin has access to kunai and heavenly strike at the start of the sequel I would be satisfied. Also he can learn new sword stuff because I found Strawhats to be the hardest enemies this side of Bears and fighting other samurai requires different techniques. I'd like different clans/factions to have different styles!
Also while Stance and Weapon switching wasn't a great implementation, I still enjoyed using all of them. I mostly leave Jin on Wind Stance because I suck at parrying spears correctly (and then auto parry means never having to improve!). Everyone else got Perfect Dodged or Perfect Parried to death which I thought was cool and cinematic because Jin is patiently waiting for these mooks to attack and get wrecked by his counter. But when the situation called for it, switching stances for guard breaks was fun too.
Of course, I have yet to try Lethal so maybe my mind will change
Jin's powerups are kunai, gunpowder, poison, way of the flame, heavenly strike, dance of wrath, and ghost stance/terrify. Everything else is armors/charms, bows, assassination perks, and health/resolve increases. Oh and Taka's grappling hook.
Of those, gunpowder can be gone with the Mongols, Jin can swear off poison, Way of the flame is dependent on the flame rock, Heavenly Strike is an Unblockable attack that every Strawhat already has and Dance of Wrath is just Heavenly Strike x3, and you terrify people by reputation which is probably also gone with the Mongols.
You assume the Mongols will not be the enemies again. Historically speaking, the 1274 Mongol invasion, which is when this game is set, was followed by the invasion of Iki (directors cut expansion) and the the landing at Hakata bay on the Japanese mainland. This didn't end well for the Mongols.
While they didn't follow the Historical sequence of events of Tsushimas invasion (it... didn't end well for Tsushima), they 're following it up with the invasion of Iki. The sequel will most definitely follow on from the Iki expansion and still have the Mongols as the enemy. Which means Blackpowder will still be around. He may lose the meteor fragment for his flaming sword, but he was still had his poison in his hut at the end of the story.
I'm not saying they can't depower him, but there's a few different Mongol invasions (including another starting with Tsushima and Iki about 10 years later) and if they're going to keep using Jin as the main character, it's going to get a bit annoying having him start off weak and needing to build back up every game.
Especially when they can go the Assassing Creed direction and go with a different antagonist each game.
They pretty much set up Tomoe as a potential antagonist for a sequel.
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Some of those shots make the island look fairly big. The shot in the field of flowers with the mountain in the distance make me think it's about as big as one of the regions in the base game. That's more content than I expected.
Some of those shots make the island look fairly big. The shot in the field of flowers with the mountain in the distance make me think it's about as big as one of the regions in the base game. That's more content than I expected.
I figured as soon as I heard about it that it would basically be a fourth act in terms of structure and size.
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This looks sick and now my worst problem is working out if I'm going to get the ps5 version or not. (probably not)
For those confused, the ps5 controller and my hands are having a bit of a disagreement so being locked to it means I would only be able to play an hour if that for any play session.
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Some of those shots make the island look fairly big. The shot in the field of flowers with the mountain in the distance make me think it's about as big as one of the regions in the base game. That's more content than I expected.
Yea rumor is that it's about the size of a regular region in terms of both size and content. So if you're doing all the stuff probably a good 20 hours which would be super rad.
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Furthering the Ghost of Tsushima is coming to PC rumour, Sonys official Amazon store listing no longer has 'Only on Playstation' on the box art.
This is what happened to Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone before their PC announcement.
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Welp, first major cut scene and I almost broke the disc in half.
Furthering the Ghost of Tsushima is coming to PC rumour, Sonys official Amazon store listing no longer has 'Only on Playstation' on the box art.
This is what happened to Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone before their PC announcement.
god please
I can't find a freakin PS5 anywhere (and even if I did, I'd give it to my brother first, and inherit his shitty PS4) (This is the Way / our compact; I build him clanky but serviceable PCs out of spare parts; he gives me his old consoles)
I'm reminded of the fear toxin sections from the Arkham games.
Similar sections in Max Payne for me. I'm mildly worried about being blindsided. Not only did that first cut scene really twist the knife but then I found the first Cat Sanctuary and
Got ambushed by Mongol dogs. They certainly have me suspecting that Iki Island holds zero nice things for Jin or the player. But today's been frustrating for me so that is likely coloring my experience so far.
Furthering the Ghost of Tsushima is coming to PC rumour, Sonys official Amazon store listing no longer has 'Only on Playstation' on the box art.
This is what happened to Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone before their PC announcement.
god please
I can't find a freakin PS5 anywhere (and even if I did, I'd give it to my brother first, and inherit his shitty PS4) (This is the Way / our compact; I build him clanky but serviceable PCs out of spare parts; he gives me his old consoles)
I’d play through it again completely on PC if it got a release. It was amazing, but better textures and much higher FPS would sell me on another playthrough.
Two things: I forgot how menacing Lady Masako was (even moreso than the gameplay spoiler from a few years ago) and didn't realize she was also a samurai (or isn't she) and Ishikawa looks exactly like good voice actor, so much so that I want to call him Sensei Pierre Chang.
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I’m pretty sure they made all of the main characters resemble their in actors.
Also, Masako is played by a well known actor as well, Lauren Tom. The same Lauren Tom who voiced Amy Wong in Futurama.
I'm a bit confused by some of these skills I can buy. There's an exploration skill called Wind of Inari that says it will let me track fox dens. But when I visited a ? mark on the map, it was a fox den. So they're already on the map, albeit with a ?, but that's all the info I need. So what does spending the technique point on the skill even do? If it just changes the ?'s, that feels like a waste of a point better put into an actual useful skill.
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I'm a bit confused by some of these skills I can buy. There's an exploration skill called Wind of Inari that says it will let me track fox dens. But when I visited a ? mark on the map, it was a fox den. So they're already on the map, albeit with a ?, but that's all the info I need. So what does spending the technique point on the skill even do? If it just changes the ?'s, that feels like a waste of a point better put into an actual useful skill.
Because without the Wind of Inari, you can never tell which ?s are dens and which ones are a zillion other map elements. Plus, you can use the Wind to locate any dens whether or not they're on your map.
It's a really really useful thing when you're specifically trying to hit up dens in a hurry without visiting every ? point on the map.
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I'm a bit confused by some of these skills I can buy. There's an exploration skill called Wind of Inari that says it will let me track fox dens. But when I visited a ? mark on the map, it was a fox den. So they're already on the map, albeit with a ?, but that's all the info I need. So what does spending the technique point on the skill even do? If it just changes the ?'s, that feels like a waste of a point better put into an actual useful skill.
None of those skills are more important than the combat related ones, the Wind skills mostly help only with 100% everything
I'm a bit confused by some of these skills I can buy. There's an exploration skill called Wind of Inari that says it will let me track fox dens. But when I visited a ? mark on the map, it was a fox den. So they're already on the map, albeit with a ?, but that's all the info I need. So what does spending the technique point on the skill even do? If it just changes the ?'s, that feels like a waste of a point better put into an actual useful skill.
None of those skills are more important than the combat related ones, the Wind skills mostly help only with 100% everything
Eh, there's a pile of useless combat moves and Inari's Wind definitely has a ton of usefulness if you want fox dens.
I’m pretty sure they made all of the main characters resemble their in actors.
Also, Masako is played by a well known actor as well, Lauren Tom. The same Lauren Tom who voiced Amy Wong in Futurama.
And yes, she’s a Samurai.
Named after a famous real-life woman samurai, even: Hojo Masako. Not meant to literally be the historical figure though; Hojo Masako died about 25 years before the Mongol invasions, and was from the region that is now part of the greater Tokyo metropolitan area. Still!
I'm reminded of the fear toxin sections from the Arkham games.
Similar sections in Max Payne for me. I'm mildly worried about being blindsided. Not only did that first cut scene really twist the knife but then I found the first Cat Sanctuary and
Got ambushed by Mongol dogs. They certainly have me suspecting that Iki Island holds zero nice things for Jin or the player. But today's been frustrating for me so that is likely coloring my experience so far.
Kudos, game. I knew it was coming and yet I was still fucking blindsided
The Eagle's poison made it hard to distinguish friend from foe. Arrow to the head, two poison darts, and a slit throat before a hallucination accuses Jin of enjoying the violence and I see who I was really "fighting".
Now I am super paranoid and Jin isn't doing so hot either
I still have to try legends, but I’m excited to. I’d started the story last month but stopped when I saw DLC/improvements were on the way and now I’m trying to wrap up re:village.
I remember the consensus being that the initial legends length was too long, and the PS blog said they shortened the length. So what’s it like now?
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Doing the raid with Chance, Butters and my mate was probably the most fun I had in Ghost and I had a transcendental amount of fun in that game so that's saying something.
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I only did it because Iki Island has a trophy that requires it but now I love it.
And this was free! And there’s more coming! These absolute lunatics at Sucker Punch.
I... still play a lot of Legends. It's like tai chi for me. I love the game's combat more than I'd like to admit, I guess, and Legends doesn't make me wade through unskippable cutscenes to fight a Mongol or ten - it's just fight, then fight, then fight again.
I love standing on a point, playing my flute as the Mongols descend on me, placid and calm until one of then raises their sword and kabam! I parry and it's on.
I'm a bit worried about Rivals mode 'cause if the other team has a Hunter With Stone Skipping Bow, I can't imagine how it'll be possible to win.
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Ugh, three times now I've been matched with someone who on Curse of Onibaba Stage 3 just charges right into the fucking house wihout taking out the mob channeling the health regen aura.
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Those settings are pretty played out. I liked this game focusing on less well-trod historical ground.
Gimme a sequel where a new Ghost is helping a community of Hidden Christians in the 1700s or something.
Sengoku is for sure but Bakumatsu?
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The Boshin War specifically. I'm not sure it would be a good idea to set a whole samurai action story in the prewar era before everything starts popping off, but more power to anyone with the guts to try.
It gives them the opportunity to do some faction systems, maybe a nemesis or AC Odyssey mercenary system on top of it, makes the world bigger, and keeps their semi-beloved main character around, because name recognition and brand identity and other corporate bullshit
Of course it would also require them to be more critical of the samurai than I think they want to be but y’know. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part
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An anthology lets them keep him around - maybe in a quest giver role like Lady Masako or even a main plot player like Yuna - while building up other characters.
Jin's powerups are kunai, gunpowder, poison, way of the flame, heavenly strike, dance of wrath, and ghost stance/terrify. Everything else is armors/charms, bows, assassination perks, and health/resolve increases. Oh and Taka's grappling hook.
Of those, gunpowder can be gone with the Mongols, Jin can swear off poison, Way of the flame is dependent on the flame rock, Heavenly Strike is an Unblockable attack that every Strawhat already has and Dance of Wrath is just Heavenly Strike x3, and you terrify people by reputation which is probably also gone with the Mongols.
So I think as long as Jin has access to kunai and heavenly strike at the start of the sequel I would be satisfied. Also he can learn new sword stuff because I found Strawhats to be the hardest enemies this side of Bears and fighting other samurai requires different techniques. I'd like different clans/factions to have different styles!
Also while Stance and Weapon switching wasn't a great implementation, I still enjoyed using all of them. I mostly leave Jin on Wind Stance because I suck at parrying spears correctly (and then auto parry means never having to improve!). Everyone else got Perfect Dodged or Perfect Parried to death which I thought was cool and cinematic because Jin is patiently waiting for these mooks to attack and get wrecked by his counter. But when the situation called for it, switching stances for guard breaks was fun too.
Of course, I have yet to try Lethal so maybe my mind will change
You assume the Mongols will not be the enemies again. Historically speaking, the 1274 Mongol invasion, which is when this game is set, was followed by the invasion of Iki (directors cut expansion) and the the landing at Hakata bay on the Japanese mainland. This didn't end well for the Mongols.
While they didn't follow the Historical sequence of events of Tsushimas invasion (it... didn't end well for Tsushima), they 're following it up with the invasion of Iki. The sequel will most definitely follow on from the Iki expansion and still have the Mongols as the enemy. Which means Blackpowder will still be around. He may lose the meteor fragment for his flaming sword, but he was still had his poison in his hut at the end of the story.
I'm not saying they can't depower him, but there's a few different Mongol invasions (including another starting with Tsushima and Iki about 10 years later) and if they're going to keep using Jin as the main character, it's going to get a bit annoying having him start off weak and needing to build back up every game.
Especially when they can go the Assassing Creed direction and go with a different antagonist each game.
I would really like to play it but that is 100% a make or break requirement for me with DLC.
It can be started any time after the beginning of Act II, so it can if you want it to!
Ok sweet! Just wanted to make sure it wasn't one of those things where you needed to play on a pre-end boss save.
Thanks!
Game of the year.
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I figured as soon as I heard about it that it would basically be a fourth act in terms of structure and size.
For those confused, the ps5 controller and my hands are having a bit of a disagreement so being locked to it means I would only be able to play an hour if that for any play session.
I actually meant that. My brain wasn’t working.
Yea rumor is that it's about the size of a regular region in terms of both size and content. So if you're doing all the stuff probably a good 20 hours which would be super rad.
This is what happened to Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone before their PC announcement.
Twice, Suckerpunch?! TWICE?!!!!
god please
I can't find a freakin PS5 anywhere (and even if I did, I'd give it to my brother first, and inherit his shitty PS4) (This is the Way / our compact; I build him clanky but serviceable PCs out of spare parts; he gives me his old consoles)
https://podcast.tidalwavegames.com/
Similar sections in Max Payne for me. I'm mildly worried about being blindsided. Not only did that first cut scene really twist the knife but then I found the first Cat Sanctuary and
I’d play through it again completely on PC if it got a release. It was amazing, but better textures and much higher FPS would sell me on another playthrough.
Also, Masako is played by a well known actor as well, Lauren Tom. The same Lauren Tom who voiced Amy Wong in Futurama.
And yes, she’s a Samurai.
Because without the Wind of Inari, you can never tell which ?s are dens and which ones are a zillion other map elements. Plus, you can use the Wind to locate any dens whether or not they're on your map.
It's a really really useful thing when you're specifically trying to hit up dens in a hurry without visiting every ? point on the map.
None of those skills are more important than the combat related ones, the Wind skills mostly help only with 100% everything
Eh, there's a pile of useless combat moves and Inari's Wind definitely has a ton of usefulness if you want fox dens.
Named after a famous real-life woman samurai, even: Hojo Masako. Not meant to literally be the historical figure though; Hojo Masako died about 25 years before the Mongol invasions, and was from the region that is now part of the greater Tokyo metropolitan area. Still!
More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna-musha
Also, Tomoe is named after the one from the Tale of Heike.
https://podcast.tidalwavegames.com/
Kudos, game. I knew it was coming and yet I was still fucking blindsided
Now I am super paranoid and Jin isn't doing so hot either
This game is going to make me cry.
Again
I only did it because Iki Island has a trophy that requires it but now I love it.
And this was free! And there’s more coming! These absolute lunatics at Sucker Punch.
I remember the consensus being that the initial legends length was too long, and the PS blog said they shortened the length. So what’s it like now?
I... still play a lot of Legends. It's like tai chi for me. I love the game's combat more than I'd like to admit, I guess, and Legends doesn't make me wade through unskippable cutscenes to fight a Mongol or ten - it's just fight, then fight, then fight again.
I love standing on a point, playing my flute as the Mongols descend on me, placid and calm until one of then raises their sword and kabam! I parry and it's on.
I'm a bit worried about Rivals mode 'cause if the other team has a Hunter With Stone Skipping Bow, I can't imagine how it'll be possible to win.
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