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[Police Brutality] Has Caused Ongoing National Protests

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/local-news/article/21142139/tampas-new-back-the-blue-mural-was-created-before-the-permit-was-even-approved
    Tampa’s new ‘Back the Blue’ mural was created before the permit was even approved

    There was an application for a permit to paint the mural, but that application had not completed the approval process.
    Creative Loafing Tampa Bay has asked the City of Tampa's transportation department for a copy of the mural permit application and an interview with the city mobility department director Vik Bhide to talk about how the mural interacts with traffic control markings on Madison Street (several people have pointed out how the mural covers parts of double yellow lines and other mural no-nos).

    In comments to the Tampa Bay Times, Back the Blue mural organizer Kristen Krutz said she and about 40 volunteers decided to move forward without a permit, block the road with their own orange cones and paint "because Black Lives Matter has murals all over the city that say Black Lives Matter, and they were not permitted."

    But if Krutz is referring to city-sanctioned public art that rolled out at the end of June, then she's wrong—the City of Tampa literally put out press releases about that work.

    In a Monday afternoon statement sent to CL, Castor said, “Any tribute to honor their service is welcome. It’s unfortunate they didn’t see the permitting process through so that our community could participate in showing their appreciation for the brave men and women that service our residents every day.”

    But as protesters have pointed out, if they set up cones or prevented traffic from going through an open roadway without a permit, then they'd probably met with arrest or force (hold on, did that happen already?).

    CL asked the mayor's office about that concern, and we also asked about what happens to the mural now, especially since many have pointed out that it probably violates mural requirements in the way that it covers traffic markings. We'll update this post if Castor's office returns our email
    The whole thing is a bit on the nose

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    https://www.cltampa.com/news-views/local-news/article/21142139/tampas-new-back-the-blue-mural-was-created-before-the-permit-was-even-approved
    Tampa’s new ‘Back the Blue’ mural was created before the permit was even approved

    There was an application for a permit to paint the mural, but that application had not completed the approval process.
    Creative Loafing Tampa Bay has asked the City of Tampa's transportation department for a copy of the mural permit application and an interview with the city mobility department director Vik Bhide to talk about how the mural interacts with traffic control markings on Madison Street (several people have pointed out how the mural covers parts of double yellow lines and other mural no-nos).

    In comments to the Tampa Bay Times, Back the Blue mural organizer Kristen Krutz said she and about 40 volunteers decided to move forward without a permit, block the road with their own orange cones and paint "because Black Lives Matter has murals all over the city that say Black Lives Matter, and they were not permitted."

    But if Krutz is referring to city-sanctioned public art that rolled out at the end of June, then she's wrong—the City of Tampa literally put out press releases about that work.

    In a Monday afternoon statement sent to CL, Castor said, “Any tribute to honor their service is welcome. It’s unfortunate they didn’t see the permitting process through so that our community could participate in showing their appreciation for the brave men and women that service our residents every day.”

    But as protesters have pointed out, if they set up cones or prevented traffic from going through an open roadway without a permit, then they'd probably met with arrest or force (hold on, did that happen already?).

    CL asked the mayor's office about that concern, and we also asked about what happens to the mural now, especially since many have pointed out that it probably violates mural requirements in the way that it covers traffic markings. We'll update this post if Castor's office returns our email
    The whole thing is a bit on the nose

    The photo in that article is leaving a lot to the imagination. It's really bad.

    https://photos.cltampa.com/everyones-roasting-tampas-hilariously-bad-bock-the-blub-street-mural/?slide=1&screen-shot-2020-08-03-at-1-54-25-pm

    Like, whoever originally coined that image of a cop's skid mark on the US flag would probably find this incoherent perversion of their work upsetting.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    The real question is how long it will take somebody to pressure wash/paint that into "fuck the blue".

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    I like the "ribbon" that is definitely not a Jesus fish no sir

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    The real question is how long it will take somebody to pressure wash/paint that into "fuck the blue".

    Probably about as long as it would take to make it actually read "back the blue," so I think that's a reasonable compromise mural.

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    OneAngryPossumOneAngryPossum Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    B CK HE BLU

    Definitely communicates something.

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    RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    bwanie wrote: »
    Just a small reminder that many developed countries are fine with having a violence monopoly. The fact that America is unable to assemble a policeforce not consisting of mainly right-wing ultraviolent conservative racists says more about your general population than the conceptual merits of a policeforce.

    The problem is that we largely let police forces self select their members instead of deciding what kind of people we let get into policing.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I agree that the dilution of police abolition into "we just need Better Cops" is bad

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I agree that the dilution of police abolition into "we just need Better Cops" is bad

    Has anyone actually said that?

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    DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    Goumindong wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I agree that the dilution of police abolition into "we just need Better Cops" is bad

    Has anyone actually said that?

    It's inferred by "we just gotta make sure to get rid of the bad apples" and the "were hiring, do something about it" messages that get sent when this stuff happens.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I agree that the dilution of police abolition into "we just need Better Cops" is bad

    Has anyone actually said that?

    It's inferred by "we just gotta make sure to get rid of the bad apples" and the "were hiring, do something about it" messages that get sent when this stuff happens.

    I think what Goumindong was asking is has anyone in this thread actually said that.

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    LabelLabel Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    Portland has apparently had an interesting night.

    Smallish protest at the police union building, called as maybe a couple hundred people. Cops out, being cops.

    Had some blockers on motorcycles around. Seems a truck objected to this, ran through the street near the crowd, dragging the bike.

    Later, seems someone not native to the protest shot a handgun into the air.

    No one appears to be injured so far.

    (local quasi-independent press)
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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    The other thing out of Portland, the no drama lama is there to calm folks and protest

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    The protests in Portland, Ore., have been calmer in recent days. The shift away from large-scale clashes with police deploying tear gas came after the Trump administration pulled back federal law enforcement officers.

    But even during the intensity of the unrest, there were pockets of calm around Caesar McCool.

    Caesar, better known as “Caesar the No Drama Llama,” is a retired 6-year-old Argentine grand champion show llama that now works as a therapy llama and “llamactivist.” One of his best talents is offering emotional-support hugs, which people line up to give him at protests and other places where Caesar shows up.

    He’s somewhat of a celebrity llama.

    Just a small bit of lightness but also a good reminder that protesters come in all forms.

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    evilthecatevilthecat Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    The other thing out of Portland, the no drama lama is there to calm folks and protest

    OXAML6GWU4I6VJ4IFTUGZ2ARFE.jpg&w=916
    The protests in Portland, Ore., have been calmer in recent days. The shift away from large-scale clashes with police deploying tear gas came after the Trump administration pulled back federal law enforcement officers.

    But even during the intensity of the unrest, there were pockets of calm around Caesar McCool.

    Caesar, better known as “Caesar the No Drama Llama,” is a retired 6-year-old Argentine grand champion show llama that now works as a therapy llama and “llamactivist.” One of his best talents is offering emotional-support hugs, which people line up to give him at protests and other places where Caesar shows up.

    He’s somewhat of a celebrity llama.

    Just a small bit of lightness but also a good reminder that protesters come in all forms.

    this seems incredibly cruel given the fact that the police enjoy shooting.
    They'll fire rubber bullets at human heads, the llama's going to get it.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    evilthecat wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    The other thing out of Portland, the no drama lama is there to calm folks and protest

    OXAML6GWU4I6VJ4IFTUGZ2ARFE.jpg&w=916
    The protests in Portland, Ore., have been calmer in recent days. The shift away from large-scale clashes with police deploying tear gas came after the Trump administration pulled back federal law enforcement officers.

    But even during the intensity of the unrest, there were pockets of calm around Caesar McCool.

    Caesar, better known as “Caesar the No Drama Llama,” is a retired 6-year-old Argentine grand champion show llama that now works as a therapy llama and “llamactivist.” One of his best talents is offering emotional-support hugs, which people line up to give him at protests and other places where Caesar shows up.

    He’s somewhat of a celebrity llama.

    Just a small bit of lightness but also a good reminder that protesters come in all forms.

    this seems incredibly cruel given the fact that the police enjoy shooting.
    They'll fire rubber bullets at human heads, the llama's going to get it.

    I imagine that guy high-tails it out of there if things start getting tense.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    I've met that llama!

    Given the work he does, while any injury would be absolutely tragic, I feel like that's part of the point

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    Even my coldhearted self thinks maybe it's a bit inappropriate to take an animal somewhere it might get tear-gassed and/or shot with rubber bullets.

    Hell, on purely pragmatic grounds that+a crowd seems like an awful idea.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited August 2020
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Kamar wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Thinking someone saying "defund the police" means they just want that money to go away and have no sort of replacements created, to not use that funding to create all sorts of positions and agencies to do so many thing the police should be doing but do a shit job of (because the only thing they're actually good at is enacting violence upon "undesirable elements" as deemed by the status quo)...

    Well, it's not much different from hearing someone say "Black Lives Matter" and thinking that means they are saying that ONLY Black lives matter, rather than the idea that people and society are not operating as though Black lives DO matter.

    I mean...it's not like there aren't (a subcategory of?) anarchist posters who believe we have zero need for state violence or incarceration because the community will handle egregious violations itself.

    edit: I'm worried it might look like I'm defending the practice of willfully misunderstanding opponents on an issue as representing the most extreme and unpopular version of their position, which is always scummy bullshit in all circumstances. Acknowledging the full breadth of positions that informed people consider in earnest isn't that, though.

    While the thing police primarily do is commit state-sanctioned violence, that is extremely near the bottom of the list of "things police are supposed to do that we have other people do instead of them."

    Incarceration is also, not really a thing community police handle much of! Correctional officers and facilities are a parallel institution that also need so much reform that it would be easier to dismantle them and start from scratch, and while they are intrinsically linked as parts of the larger so-called judicial system that operates together as a larger limb of systemic oppression, prison reform/abolition is a separate bullet point from "defund the police."

    County and city jails are often run directly by the local sheriff's department. If you're getting rid of cops, you're getting rid of those guys too, and at that point you might as well add all non-federal corrections officers to the list.

    Plus, dismantling the NYPD without touching Rikers Island seems insane to me

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even my coldhearted self thinks maybe it's a bit inappropriate to take an animal somewhere it might get tear-gassed and/or shot with rubber bullets.

    Hell, on purely pragmatic grounds that+a crowd seems like an awful idea.

    From a purely political perspective, America is more likely to be outraged by the murder of a llama than a protester...

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even my coldhearted self thinks maybe it's a bit inappropriate to take an animal somewhere it might get tear-gassed and/or shot with rubber bullets.

    Hell, on purely pragmatic grounds that+a crowd seems like an awful idea.

    And that's part of why it's important he be there. Because while there's plenty of the "win stupid prizes" crowd there's a lot more people who would be going "Wait you shot a leashed llama? Seriously The fuck?"

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    brynhrtmnbrynhrtmn Registered User regular
    Forum bug.

    Defund the fucks.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Kamar wrote: »
    Even my coldhearted self thinks maybe it's a bit inappropriate to take an animal somewhere it might get tear-gassed and/or shot with rubber bullets.

    Hell, on purely pragmatic grounds that+a crowd seems like an awful idea.

    From a purely political perspective, America is more likely to be outraged by the murder of a llama than a protester...

    That's literally a Community joke.
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    It's "funny" because it's true (for a whole buncha white people, anyway).

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    Even if you're not excusing racism, you can become so inured to its effects in this country that you can develop a similar attitude.

    White cops kill black suspect? Same shit, different day
    White cops shoot the family dog in the face? What the fuck is wrong with people?!

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Has this incredible hot take been discussed yet? Because holy fucking shit this denialism...

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I don’t think we need to discuss how much of a piece of shirt Tucker Carlson is here, but that’s just me.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    The far right- and Tucker is 100% part of it- will always find an excuse. They did it with Heather Heyer, they did it with Tamir Rice, they do it every. single. time.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    I don’t think we need to discuss how much of a piece of shirt Tucker Carlson is here, but that’s just me.

    It's not just Carlson, it's becoming a thing that, despite video evidence and 2 coroners reports, we "may never know what actually happened."

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    KamarKamar Registered User regular
    After being exposed to his shit through various Last Week Tonight clips and Some More News' "Why is Tucker Carlson?" video I have a visceral anger response to his stupid Nazi face now--him and Laura Ingraham.

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    RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    It's the same bullshit as Sandy Hook 'Crisis Actors'

    Another bullet point in the "people who get information from FOX News are crazy in a way that is a direct danger to those around them" slideshow

    It's both disgusting and terrifying

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    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I don’t think we need to discuss how much of a piece of shirt Tucker Carlson is here, but that’s just me.

    It's not just Carlson, it's becoming a thing that, despite video evidence and 2 coroners reports, we "may never know what actually happened."

    I just don’t see the point in engaging with deliberate bad faith actors here.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    I don’t think we need to discuss how much of a piece of shirt Tucker Carlson is here, but that’s just me.

    It's not just Carlson, it's becoming a thing that, despite video evidence and 2 coroners reports, we "may never know what actually happened."

    Like I said it's always going to be a thing. Just bake it into your baseline response that this will happen. Every scrap of information will be used to slander the victim, if there isn't anything it will be made up.

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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    I don’t think we need to discuss how much of a piece of shirt Tucker Carlson is here, but that’s just me.

    It's not just Carlson, it's becoming a thing that, despite video evidence and 2 coroners reports, we "may never know what actually happened."

    I just don’t see the point in engaging with deliberate bad faith actors here.

    It's less engagement and more general awareness.

    Those who spread disinformation prefer those who know better to not know it's happening.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    It's "funny" because it's true (for a whole buncha white people, anyway).

    Man, it's just people. It's like a classic rule in fiction. You can have a character kill a million people and the audience will forgive them. You have them kill a dog and the audience will never ever get over it.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Let me see if I have this right; the feds backed off in Portland, and as a result the protest crowd was smaller and calmer. But now the cops and/or feds are starting to return?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I don’t think we need to discuss how much of a piece of shirt Tucker Carlson is here, but that’s just me.

    It's not just Carlson, it's becoming a thing that, despite video evidence and 2 coroners reports, we "may never know what actually happened."

    I just don’t see the point in engaging with deliberate bad faith actors here.

    It's less engagement and more general awareness.

    Those who spread disinformation prefer those who know better to not know it's happening.

    You asked if we had discussed Carlson’s “hot take.” There is nothing to discuss. It’s not a hot take, it’s a bad faith argument. The only thing to gain would be to examine the depths of our loathing for how much of a piece of shit Tucker Carlson is.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    "We still don't know how George Floyd died" as a picture of him being murdered is on the same screen is just...

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Biden's position on wanting to give the police MORE money when asked if he supports defunding the police not only shows that we're still gonna be protesting for the next four years (and we'll probably have more police brutality in that time), but it's also exposing a lot of people as having performative support for BLM because they're leaping to Biden's defense. I am not surprised one bit.

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    people should keep protesting, keep demanding that the President come to their side, keep trying to convince everyone what the problem is. We're talking about a problem that's at least a century old, we're not cracking this nut in 6 months.

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