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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    So my adventuring party chugs along in saltmarsh, investigating a ghost ship and having an utterly shockingly hard time with the spidery denizens of the ship; I really didn't count on insect swarms being as formidable as they were, but they seemed to roll real mean for damage output and also take $texas ammounts of damage to put down.

    Also fun (horrifying) fact: since swarms don't technically occupy space you can stack them on the same target to just utterly fuck up someone.

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    But I think the resistance I’m getting more has to do with “rawr! Loklar said it! Rage!” than anything else.

    No, it has to do with the fact that you're done nothing but throw lies, blatant flasehoods, and downright dumb statements at us so far.
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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited August 12
    Running a one shot for my fantasy but really you're all just pawns of great interstellar civilizations one shot on Friday to determine campaign viability

    Since I'm stealing from The Culture going all out: The world will be roughly divided into nations that correspond to the values of much more advanced, involved civilizations, since this entire place is a social experiment. Everyone (except the idirans) is human, although there are significant variations and some parts of humanity like the Gzilt have diverged so much to be a distinctly different species (while still compatible for the purposes of having children)

    The Gzilt Regency is a militaristic nation mostly made up of grey skinned non mammalian humanoids who are all given a rank from birth. Power flows down from the top, with the middle echelons of the government having the most actual power. Their belief that captains and majors and the like have the best view of society's actual functioning, and how to actually implement governmental goals gives the middle manager bureaucrat tremendous autonomy and power.

    The Unnamed_Culture_Analogue is a Republic that does its best to ensure fairness and equality of outcome, they are a hedonistic, socialist state that believes war is a last resort, they value diversity above all and have no majority racial group, and are trying their best to make such ideals work in a world stuck at a 13th century technological level but with "magic". They have created powerful golems containing the "souls" (consciousnesses) of a host of previous monarchs to act as their executive decision makers. They meddle constantly in the affairs of others in as polite a manner as possible.

    The Idiran Ascendancy is an ethnostate of non humanoid tri-legged immortal beings, they are mostly hated by everyone and not playable. They are superior to humans in essentially every way biologically, and believe their religion and their biological immortality gives them a divine mandate to run everything. They are the only people unable to use magic on this world (like the "Gods" introduced a balancing mechanic...) but it would take a dozen crossbow wielding humans to have any hope to take even one of them down in a fight. They aren't evil, they are simply better, and they know it. If you're willing to accept their religion, even feeble you can have a fine life in their society.

    If this one shot goes well I will obviously diversify the number and breadth of civilizations and options to play as, but it doesn't really matter mechanically, since the players just get +2 to a stat and +1 to another stat of their choice. The humans of this world don't know what genetic modification or cybernetic additions are, but they all have them, who knows from where, and players can just pick from a list of adaptations (wings, four arms, extra lungs, shit like that) that makes their character special. The one shot will be relatively small scale so those 3 nations will be enough for it

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Let's say your group gets a ring of regeneration (slow hp restore to whomever had it attuned, not really for in-combat). It's a low magic items game, and a few extra survival mechanics are in place (long rests don't give back full hp unless they are in an actual comfortable place of safety i.e. never in wilderness or dungeons). Spend hit dice only. Fights feel real scary with this btw.

    The party is
    High con barbarian with a 2 hander that ends up "tanking" most of the time via rage charges
    Medium con monk dps stacking dex
    Medium con druid that fights at rage and uses wildshape charges to summon a fire elemental instead
    A melee rogue with little con that seems to get one-shotted a lot
    A rogue/wizard that mixes up casting and timing into melee that had negative con

    Who should wear said ring if you are metagaming this?
    = hard to say, the answer is "whoever would benefit from it most" which I'd determine based on the data at the table. Who would it actually help the most? The Barbarian probably has the HD to spend, but the ranged characters ideally are staying out of harm's way and don't take as much damage. So probably one of the other melee characters, but if the rogue is getting dropped constantly they're probably not gonna benefit as much from slow HP regen, but if the monk is never getting hit they won't need it either.

    Gotta look at who doesn't seem to really need or benefit from spending HD/healing as often.

    My guess is probably the rogue/wizard or the melee rogue, whomever takes the most damage as a percentage of their HP

    Buuut. It doesn't really matter all that much unless your party tends to take more than 1 short rest per combat day.

    The reason for this is because your HP == Expectation(HD) + starting HP bonus of 2,3,4, or 5 based on class +.5 per level.

    You might notice that this is roughly the same for each character and that its roughly equal to your starting HP amount. There is a wider percentage variation for lower HD classes but a wider raw value for higher HD classes. So if you only take 1 short rest per day then any character from 1 HP will heal to full on a probability schedule


    You could head over to anydice and do an exact calculation to find the probability you get back up to zero from 1(or any number) by doing xdy - x(avg y+.5) - starting HP +1. Any value above 0 heals you to full.

    So for a level 3 wizard its 3d6 - 13. Which will heal to full 25.93% of the time. You could also make this as a percentage as final health by dividing by final HP but raw values are just as good. Compare to a barbarian (3d12-25) which makes it to 0 21.06% of the time.

    Note that these numbers are con independent for healing but con dependent for percentages(multiply by 100/max HP to get as a percentage in anydice if you just divide by HP you will get issues with display rounding). As you heal the roll + con. And your HP goes up by con so you're always on a flat +/- value there.

    Sooo...

    since the rogue gets knocked out a lot its probably going to be them. Otherwise its whomever takes the most damage as a percentage of their HP

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    The regen is 1d6 recovered every 10 minutes so not much to do with short rests, just time.
    But that makes sense with the %s, your essentially saying the low hp characters "fill up" faster.

    We do take multiple short rests per day, since nobody in group has any kind of heal spell.

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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    edited August 12
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I'm gonna be running descent into avernus soon and I'm very excited. Will be streaming it and hopefully doing some fun production value stuff. Anyone run it before and have some tips for the actual adventure?
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I haven't run it myself, but I am aware of a website that offers several suggestions for tweaks to the adventure.

    The Alexandrian: Remixing Avernus

    The first part in Baldur's Gate is absolutely a mess, and absurdly dangerous. I've only read the initial setup of the remix (I'm a player) but that makes a lot more sense than just throwing random characters into it.
    Avernus is clearly meant to be the main goal, but the steps laid out in the first section made sense to us as if it were a whole third of the game but that's only due to a lot of red herrings that seem to be just there as plot hooks mixed with an intended sequence of encounters that sees us at third level essentially trying to take over the city. I don't want to give too much away, so pm if you want some more detailed thoughts (and our unused plan to take over the city!)

    This hasn't been helped by having a relatively squishy party (Wizard, Warlock, Rogue, Cleric for the first encounter, joined by a barbarian for the first big dungeon then switched them out for a paladin after that) but this is a Campaign that is happy to throw a fireball at a level 2 party. There's also a few encounters that do need specific tools, and are almost lethal without them - tools that are very rare at the level you need them.

    I reckon the biggest thing to decide is how long you want to spend in Baldur's gate - because there is a lot of story there and good plot hooks for a more social set of missions (and honestly the dungeons will happily cater to higher level players than intended with very little modification). It's a city on the brink of chaos, riven by class divisions and politicking nobles seeking power whilst the city itself lies under a supernatural death sentence.

    Or it's a familiar area that's just there to level up the PCs so they can survive the main plot. In which case I'd just start your PC's higher level and jump ahead on something more specific to the campaign.
    I think the fact that none of our group is all that familiar with the Sword Coast and Baldur's Gate hasn't helped - it's not a leap from the familiar into the new for us as half of us know more about Sigil than here.
    Well knew...my wizard is a scholar of the planes (having been a Planescape DM for years) but is finding that the books he's read are perhaps not as accurate as he once thought. I've been intentionally keeping myself in the dark, as a lot of changed over the last three editions!

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    The regen is 1d6 recovered every 10 minutes so not much to do with short rests, just time.
    But that makes sense with the %s, your essentially saying the low hp characters "fill up" faster.

    We do take multiple short rests per day, since nobody in group has any kind of heal spell.

    It has everything to do with short rests because if you only take one short rest then everyone (usually)easily heals to full any per-time healing before that is immaterial. Any per-time healing after that tends to also be moot. If you take multiple short rests its possible that you could run out of healing surges in a way that you would not have them ready for the next short rest.

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    The regen is 1d6 recovered every 10 minutes so not much to do with short rests, just time.
    But that makes sense with the %s, your essentially saying the low hp characters "fill up" faster.

    We do take multiple short rests per day, since nobody in group has any kind of heal spell.

    It has everything to do with short rests because if you only take one short rest then everyone (usually)easily heals to full any per-time healing before that is immaterial. Any per-time healing after that tends to also be moot. If you take multiple short rests its possible that you could run out of healing surges in a way that you would not have them ready for the next short rest.

    Not sure what you mean by healing surges but if it's hit dice then yeah, so far this have been a real resource to carefully manage.

    Btw i forgot to say but the first 3 characters are level 4 and the rogue and rogue/wizard are level 3 (because they joined the game a few sessions late and we are doing actual xp awards).

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Let's say your group gets a ring of regeneration (slow hp restore to whomever had it attuned, not really for in-combat). It's a low magic items game, and a few extra survival mechanics are in place (long rests don't give back full hp unless they are in an actual comfortable place of safety i.e. never in wilderness or dungeons). Spend hit dice only. Fights feel real scary with this btw.

    The party is
    High con barbarian with a 2 hander that ends up "tanking" most of the time via rage charges
    Medium con monk dps stacking dex
    Medium con druid that fights at rage and uses wildshape charges to summon a fire elemental instead
    A melee rogue with little con that seems to get one-shotted a lot
    A rogue/wizard that mixes up casting and timing into melee that had negative con

    Who should wear said ring if you are metagaming this?

    Smrtnik hard to say, the answer is "whoever would benefit from it most" which I'd determine based on the data at the table. Who would it actually help the most? The Barbarian probably has the HD to spend, but the ranged characters ideally are staying out of harm's way and don't take as much damage. So probably one of the other melee characters, but if the rogue is getting dropped constantly they're probably not gonna benefit as much from slow HP regen, but if the monk is never getting hit they won't need it either.

    Gotta look at who doesn't seem to really need or benefit from spending HD/healing as often.

    I'd give it to the barb personally. The barb should be the front line fighter who's getting hit, possibly with the monk as a close second.
    The druid should have spells to restore HP, or use wild shape to buff the HP pool while in combat, or just rely on the summoned elemental to take the damage.
    Slow HP regen isn't going to help someone that get's one-shot regularly, which sounds like the fate of the rogue and rogue/wizard if they're not staying sneaky.

    Just saying, it seems to me that the Barb's job is to take damage, and use the Barb skills to reduce the damage taken. The barb should also get the item that heals them over time between fights.

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    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    The regen is 1d6 recovered every 10 minutes so not much to do with short rests, just time.
    But that makes sense with the %s, your essentially saying the low hp characters "fill up" faster.

    We do take multiple short rests per day, since nobody in group has any kind of heal spell.

    It has everything to do with short rests because if you only take one short rest then everyone (usually)easily heals to full any per-time healing before that is immaterial. Any per-time healing after that tends to also be moot. If you take multiple short rests its possible that you could run out of healing surges in a way that you would not have them ready for the next short rest.

    Not sure what you mean by healing surges but if it's hit dice then yeah, so far this have been a real resource to carefully manage.

    Btw i forgot to say but the first 3 characters are level 4 and the rogue and rogue/wizard are level 3 (because they joined the game a few sessions late and we are doing actual xp awards).

    Well then who runs out of healing surges most often?

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    We all have. We are frequently going into combat at half health or less.

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  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    We all have. We are frequently going into combat at half health or less.

    Sounds like y'all need a party member with a high Persuasion bonus more than a ring of regeneration. ;-)

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  • GlalGlal Registered User regular
    edited August 13
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Btw i forgot to say but the first 3 characters are level 4 and the rogue and rogue/wizard are level 3 (because they joined the game a few sessions late and we are doing actual xp awards).
    Monstrous.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited August 13
    So by the rules as written "Gargantuan" can include a base that takes up more than a 4×4 space on a grid. I recently purchased a set of bases that are a bit larger than this and have at least one figure I'd like to use such a base for.

    Has anyone run into any in-game difficulties with oversized bases? The base I have covers about a 6×6 space, but the four corner spaces are only partially covered so I'll have PCs trying to stand in them.

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    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    So by the rules as written "Gargantuan" can include a base that takes up more than a 4×4 space on a grid. I recently purchased a set of bases that are a bit larger than this and have at least one figure I'd like to use such a base for.

    Has anyone run into any in-game difficulties with oversized bases? The base I have covers about a 6×6 space, but the four corner spaces are only partially covered so I'll have PCs trying to stand in them.

    Depending on the quality of the model and who you bought it from:

    a cocked head, raised eye-brow and judgemental stare from the gf :P

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User regular
    webguy20 wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I'm gonna be running descent into avernus soon and I'm very excited. Will be streaming it and hopefully doing some fun production value stuff. Anyone run it before and have some tips for the actual adventure?

    Spoilers for unique mechanics
    As a player in Avernus, read up on the vehicles. They are super cool but seem incredibly fragile in play. We got a cool ride that we upgraded, but after one battle it got seriously damaged and we couldn't fix it. Or we end up leaving vehicles to go on foot and are not able to go back to them. Makes them feel like a waste of time and resources, which is a bummer!

    Also make sure if any of your players are magic users and take flame based spells/cantrips that they have a method of changing them out/altering their elemental damage at some point.

    For example my DM let me reflavor melf’s minute meteors into tiny tennis balls that do bludgeoning damage. (My character is a golden retriever. Its thematic).

    This is good info! I'm both excited and wary about the stuff in your spoiler, but I think my players will be into it.

    Is it really that necessary to let them do different elements? Shouldn't they just be prepared since they know we're going into hell? Maybe I'm just mean?

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    webguy20 wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I'm gonna be running descent into avernus soon and I'm very excited. Will be streaming it and hopefully doing some fun production value stuff. Anyone run it before and have some tips for the actual adventure?

    Spoilers for unique mechanics
    As a player in Avernus, read up on the vehicles. They are super cool but seem incredibly fragile in play. We got a cool ride that we upgraded, but after one battle it got seriously damaged and we couldn't fix it. Or we end up leaving vehicles to go on foot and are not able to go back to them. Makes them feel like a waste of time and resources, which is a bummer!

    Also make sure if any of your players are magic users and take flame based spells/cantrips that they have a method of changing them out/altering their elemental damage at some point.

    For example my DM let me reflavor melf’s minute meteors into tiny tennis balls that do bludgeoning damage. (My character is a golden retriever. Its thematic).

    This is good info! I'm both excited and wary about the stuff in your spoiler, but I think my players will be into it.

    Is it really that necessary to let them do different elements? Shouldn't they just be prepared since they know we're going into hell? Maybe I'm just mean?

    I mean, it's not necessary if they've built their casters out to do a wide variety of damage types, or took Chromatic Orb as a nice Jack of All Trades offensive spell.
    But, if you've got, say, a Red Dragonborn Sorcerer with a red draconic bloodline who has followed the "Fireball, only fireball, always fireball" school of spell selection, combat's going to be a slow going affair when everything is resistant to their fire damage.

    In that case, I think I'd create some homebrew magic item that allows them to give a spell a different damage type X times per long rest. Something that requires attunement.

    Ringo wrote: »
    Well except what see317 said. That guy's always wrong.
  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    Isn't there also a feat that turns immunity into resistance and resistance into normal and normal into vulnerable?

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    edited August 13
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    webguy20 wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I'm gonna be running descent into avernus soon and I'm very excited. Will be streaming it and hopefully doing some fun production value stuff. Anyone run it before and have some tips for the actual adventure?

    Spoilers for unique mechanics
    As a player in Avernus, read up on the vehicles. They are super cool but seem incredibly fragile in play. We got a cool ride that we upgraded, but after one battle it got seriously damaged and we couldn't fix it. Or we end up leaving vehicles to go on foot and are not able to go back to them. Makes them feel like a waste of time and resources, which is a bummer!

    Also make sure if any of your players are magic users and take flame based spells/cantrips that they have a method of changing them out/altering their elemental damage at some point.

    For example my DM let me reflavor melf’s minute meteors into tiny tennis balls that do bludgeoning damage. (My character is a golden retriever. Its thematic).

    This is good info! I'm both excited and wary about the stuff in your spoiler, but I think my players will be into it.

    Is it really that necessary to let them do different elements? Shouldn't they just be prepared since they know we're going into hell? Maybe I'm just mean?


    It's not, but also trying to build a wizard at level 1 without meta gaming it, he would more than likely have some fire based spells, and the majority of the big spells are fire based. There's the UA wizard stuff that lets you swap out a cantrip on level up, and we thematically did that so I ended up with chill touch cantrip, and melf's tiny tennis balls instead of fireball or meteors.

    Now if someone takes fire spells while in Avernus? Well that's on them. like when I talked to my DM about Melf's Meteors, my character had in game knowledge at that point, so being able to modify an existing spell made sense, and I'm focusing on more area control and buff spells anyways.

    I also will let players reflavor elemental spells when they learn new ones on level up, or spend the amount of resources as it would take to scribe a new spell to change one they already know. So like instead of fireball they cast snowball, etc etc.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Isn't there also a feat that turns immunity into resistance and resistance into normal and normal into vulnerable?

    No. There is elemental adept which lets you ignore resistance and lets you treat any 1 on a die as a 2. Which is still 100% necessary for a single damage type spellcaster. Only works on elements and only on a single

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    My 4e campaign has been running well.

    I try to combat to neater set piece encounters and avoid random encounters almost entirely while we’re getting the ball rolling.

    Story is fun, everyone seems to be enjoying it but the player who was most eager to play I cannot get to engage with the game.

    We’re running it over discord, then streaming combat through a webcam. Everyone rolls their dice at home to keep things more exciting than just clicking a button.

    But I can’t get him to engage or be proactive. He can be a bit passive outside of combat and tends to let the rest of group take the lead. And that’s fine, some people are like that. The bard, wizard and rogue are pretty good at discussing things and deciding on a path.

    But this is just basic stuff like thinking his attack roll is the +10 it says on his sheet, then asking if he rolls a d20 for damage. This example has happened in multiple sessions. He’s a smart guy, which is why I put it down to disinterest.

    He’s also the first one to pull out a phone when we have a board games night, which was why a phone ban was put in place and might be what’s happening here.

    I’ve raised it with him, asking if he’s bored, doesn’t find his character fun to play and if there is anything I can do to help (like a cheat sheet or something but he swears there is nothing.

    Anyone struggled with this before?

    Ask him what he enjoys the most about the sessions. Also, what class is he playing?

    A bit late with this, but I had a conversation with him last night. He is playing a paladin for reference, strength based.

    He said he’s enjoying everything, but a bit regretful that he chose Lawful Good as an alignment. There was a mass raid on a bandit camp last session and he wanted to use some of the npc soldiers as shields against the enemies but decided it wouldn’t fit to get them killed like that.

    We chatted about things, I said we could change his alignment if he played to play something else, along with swapping to one of the more streamlined paladin variants.

    He wants to continue playing with things as is for now, I mentioned that while it wasn’t lawful good to literally kick npcs into danger, but if a lawful good character could order them to flanking positions to help shore up the line around him.

    Anyway, was a positive conversation and he seems happier about things.

    I’m going to roll up a cavalier for him to look at and see what he thinks if he continues to be unhappy.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads Punch DimensionRegistered User regular
    Kelor wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    My 4e campaign has been running well.

    I try to combat to neater set piece encounters and avoid random encounters almost entirely while we’re getting the ball rolling.

    Story is fun, everyone seems to be enjoying it but the player who was most eager to play I cannot get to engage with the game.

    We’re running it over discord, then streaming combat through a webcam. Everyone rolls their dice at home to keep things more exciting than just clicking a button.

    But I can’t get him to engage or be proactive. He can be a bit passive outside of combat and tends to let the rest of group take the lead. And that’s fine, some people are like that. The bard, wizard and rogue are pretty good at discussing things and deciding on a path.

    But this is just basic stuff like thinking his attack roll is the +10 it says on his sheet, then asking if he rolls a d20 for damage. This example has happened in multiple sessions. He’s a smart guy, which is why I put it down to disinterest.

    He’s also the first one to pull out a phone when we have a board games night, which was why a phone ban was put in place and might be what’s happening here.

    I’ve raised it with him, asking if he’s bored, doesn’t find his character fun to play and if there is anything I can do to help (like a cheat sheet or something but he swears there is nothing.

    Anyone struggled with this before?

    Ask him what he enjoys the most about the sessions. Also, what class is he playing?

    A bit late with this, but I had a conversation with him last night. He is playing a paladin for reference, strength based.

    He said he’s enjoying everything, but a bit regretful that he chose Lawful Good as an alignment. There was a mass raid on a bandit camp last session and he wanted to use some of the npc soldiers as shields against the enemies but decided it wouldn’t fit to get them killed like that.

    We chatted about things, I said we could change his alignment if he played to play something else, along with swapping to one of the more streamlined paladin variants.

    He wants to continue playing with things as is for now, I mentioned that while it wasn’t lawful good to literally kick npcs into danger, but if a lawful good character could order them to flanking positions to help shore up the line around him.

    Anyway, was a positive conversation and he seems happier about things.

    I’m going to roll up a cavalier for him to look at and see what he thinks if he continues to be unhappy.

    Wait why do your 4e Paladins have alignment restrictions?

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  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    edited August 14
    Here's a thought I just had while flipping through some monster manual PDFs: It rarely makes sense for Gargantuan creatures to be a single token.

    I mean think about it, you're fighting something potentially the size of Godzilla. Let's say it is Godzilla. In that case, you don't (at ground level) have a single point of attack, you have two feet separated by a reasonable distance, plus a tail. The board game Mice & Mystics actually implements this in one of its encounters, where you're facing off against a cat and instead of having a cat token, you have a large paw token that chases you around.

    Is there a rule system for 5e which encourages this sort of consideration for scale? I'm imagining a battle against a Monster Hunter-scale creature that consists of multiple leg/tentacle/whatever tokens which act independently of each other on a shared initiative.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited August 14
    Tox wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    My 4e campaign has been running well.

    I try to combat to neater set piece encounters and avoid random encounters almost entirely while we’re getting the ball rolling.

    Story is fun, everyone seems to be enjoying it but the player who was most eager to play I cannot get to engage with the game.

    We’re running it over discord, then streaming combat through a webcam. Everyone rolls their dice at home to keep things more exciting than just clicking a button.

    But I can’t get him to engage or be proactive. He can be a bit passive outside of combat and tends to let the rest of group take the lead. And that’s fine, some people are like that. The bard, wizard and rogue are pretty good at discussing things and deciding on a path.

    But this is just basic stuff like thinking his attack roll is the +10 it says on his sheet, then asking if he rolls a d20 for damage. This example has happened in multiple sessions. He’s a smart guy, which is why I put it down to disinterest.

    He’s also the first one to pull out a phone when we have a board games night, which was why a phone ban was put in place and might be what’s happening here.

    I’ve raised it with him, asking if he’s bored, doesn’t find his character fun to play and if there is anything I can do to help (like a cheat sheet or something but he swears there is nothing.

    Anyone struggled with this before?

    Ask him what he enjoys the most about the sessions. Also, what class is he playing?

    A bit late with this, but I had a conversation with him last night. He is playing a paladin for reference, strength based.

    He said he’s enjoying everything, but a bit regretful that he chose Lawful Good as an alignment. There was a mass raid on a bandit camp last session and he wanted to use some of the npc soldiers as shields against the enemies but decided it wouldn’t fit to get them killed like that.

    We chatted about things, I said we could change his alignment if he played to play something else, along with swapping to one of the more streamlined paladin variants.

    He wants to continue playing with things as is for now, I mentioned that while it wasn’t lawful good to literally kick npcs into danger, but if a lawful good character could order them to flanking positions to help shore up the line around him.

    Anyway, was a positive conversation and he seems happier about things.

    I’m going to roll up a cavalier for him to look at and see what he thinks if he continues to be unhappy.

    Wait why do your 4e Paladins have alignment restrictions?

    They're not, he specifically wanted to play a lawful good paladin of Bahumat.

    I'm just as happy for him to pick whatever lawful to neutral god/alignment he wants. I suggested something like Kord to him when he originally looking at characters since he very much wanted a crusadery type of paladin rather than a charisma focused one but he liked the idea of the dragon motif.

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    That reminds me, my 4E Lawful Evil paladin was a minotaur that worshipped Bane (long may his pecks reign). His whole deal was that he charged into a group (thank you, goring horns!) and hit people with a huge hammer. He would burn his channeled divinities to buff his weapon damage and keep himself healthy so he could keep hitting things longer, it was a delight.

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    WACriminal wrote: »
    Here's a thought I just had while flipping through some monster manual PDFs: It rarely makes sense for Gargantuan creatures to be a single token.

    I mean think about it, you're fighting something potentially the size of Godzilla. Let's say it is Godzilla. In that case, you don't (at ground level) have a single point of attack, you have two feet separated by a reasonable distance, plus a tail. The board game Mice & Mystics actually implements this in one of its encounters, where you're facing off against a cat and instead of having a cat token, you have a large paw token that chases you around.

    Is there a rule system for 5e which encourages this sort of consideration for scale? I'm imagining a battle against a Monster Hunter-scale creature that consists of multiple leg/tentacle/whatever tokens which act independently of each other on a shared initiative.

    Ive seen a few third party monsters that have stat blocks for unique bits. Things like krakens and stuff. The tentacles are a group of unique monsters and the body is separate.

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    webguy20 wrote: »
    WACriminal wrote: »
    Here's a thought I just had while flipping through some monster manual PDFs: It rarely makes sense for Gargantuan creatures to be a single token.

    I mean think about it, you're fighting something potentially the size of Godzilla. Let's say it is Godzilla. In that case, you don't (at ground level) have a single point of attack, you have two feet separated by a reasonable distance, plus a tail. The board game Mice & Mystics actually implements this in one of its encounters, where you're facing off against a cat and instead of having a cat token, you have a large paw token that chases you around.

    Is there a rule system for 5e which encourages this sort of consideration for scale? I'm imagining a battle against a Monster Hunter-scale creature that consists of multiple leg/tentacle/whatever tokens which act independently of each other on a shared initiative.

    Ive seen a few third party monsters that have stat blocks for unique bits. Things like krakens and stuff. The tentacles are a group of unique monsters and the body is separate.

    Some of you might have seen that over in the TTRPG SE thread i'm working on a monster generation system (And one that's explcitly drawing on Monster Hunter), and that's areally good point. My system dosent have any mechanics attached to it yet, but i should make a point of noting that Gargutuans are big fucking things, and their tail, their multiple heads, whatever, could all count as separate bits.

    Also it's a monster hunter tradition to disarm monsters by ripping bits off them before monsters rip bits off you, so that'd work well.

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  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    webguy20 wrote: »
    WACriminal wrote: »
    Here's a thought I just had while flipping through some monster manual PDFs: It rarely makes sense for Gargantuan creatures to be a single token.

    I mean think about it, you're fighting something potentially the size of Godzilla. Let's say it is Godzilla. In that case, you don't (at ground level) have a single point of attack, you have two feet separated by a reasonable distance, plus a tail. The board game Mice & Mystics actually implements this in one of its encounters, where you're facing off against a cat and instead of having a cat token, you have a large paw token that chases you around.

    Is there a rule system for 5e which encourages this sort of consideration for scale? I'm imagining a battle against a Monster Hunter-scale creature that consists of multiple leg/tentacle/whatever tokens which act independently of each other on a shared initiative.

    Ive seen a few third party monsters that have stat blocks for unique bits. Things like krakens and stuff. The tentacles are a group of unique monsters and the body is separate.

    Some of you might have seen that over in the TTRPG SE thread i'm working on a monster generation system (And one that's explcitly drawing on Monster Hunter), and that's areally good point. My system dosent have any mechanics attached to it yet, but i should make a point of noting that Gargutuans are big fucking things, and their tail, their multiple heads, whatever, could all count as separate bits.

    Also it's a monster hunter tradition to disarm monsters by ripping bits off them before monsters rip bits off you, so that'd work well.

    Maybe a Gargantuan monster has X tokens and utilizes {X-2} of them on each of its turns?

  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
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    Thought this might interest people.



    I'm in the middle of taking it. It's pretty comprehensive. You state the year you first played D&D, what editions you've played, what editions you've played within the last year, how often you play, your top three favorite campaign settings, what your main motivations are in playing D&D (group planning, char op, miniatures, etc), what you believe are qualities of a good DM (rules mastery, wit, challenge, setting lore knowledge, etc), and so on.

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    WACriminal wrote: »
    webguy20 wrote: »
    WACriminal wrote: »
    Here's a thought I just had while flipping through some monster manual PDFs: It rarely makes sense for Gargantuan creatures to be a single token.

    I mean think about it, you're fighting something potentially the size of Godzilla. Let's say it is Godzilla. In that case, you don't (at ground level) have a single point of attack, you have two feet separated by a reasonable distance, plus a tail. The board game Mice & Mystics actually implements this in one of its encounters, where you're facing off against a cat and instead of having a cat token, you have a large paw token that chases you around.

    Is there a rule system for 5e which encourages this sort of consideration for scale? I'm imagining a battle against a Monster Hunter-scale creature that consists of multiple leg/tentacle/whatever tokens which act independently of each other on a shared initiative.

    Ive seen a few third party monsters that have stat blocks for unique bits. Things like krakens and stuff. The tentacles are a group of unique monsters and the body is separate.

    Some of you might have seen that over in the TTRPG SE thread i'm working on a monster generation system (And one that's explcitly drawing on Monster Hunter), and that's areally good point. My system dosent have any mechanics attached to it yet, but i should make a point of noting that Gargutuans are big fucking things, and their tail, their multiple heads, whatever, could all count as separate bits.

    Also it's a monster hunter tradition to disarm monsters by ripping bits off them before monsters rip bits off you, so that'd work well.

    Maybe a Gargantuan monster has X tokens and utilizes {X-2} of them on each of its turns?

    Yeah, i'll figure it out. I'm really not worrying about attaching rules to this Generator right now - all it is right now is a set of dice rolls to create unique monsters on the fly that are still beliable-ish, i guess. It's intentionally written to be very vague.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tjFUTVmkVfR2U7Qorp9dDMnumATrBpXPFvzkW1XWpZU/edit

    Here's a link if anyone wants to try it out. Example critter:

    Using google to generate the first 3 dice gave me 4, 3 and 7. So it's a Gargutan Ape/knuclewalking style Saurian-crocdilian beast, and let's see what geth says it's got for special spice

    Geth says it's hide has multiple broken weapons and other battle damage, that it's completely unphased by. It's neck and legs are all unnaturally long, so it probably looks like a Chalicothere. It can jump vast distances, covering immense amounts of ground... and just to make it really creepy, It's got an extra set of arms that are normally hidden it can unfold out form it's body. Since it leaves it vauge, i like the idea here that it's got a thinner set it keeps hidden against it's belly that unfold to grab stuff or throw things

    So this one came out as a Tarrasque-like creature, albeit one that can apparently jump and has 4 arms for messing shit up. Which must be terrifying, can you imagine the impact craters it'd leave? The multiple weapons imapled in it imply it's hellafucking tough... and honestly i';m still just worried about the "jump vast distances" bit.

    Geth roll 4d71

    4d71 159 [4d71=64, 39, 40, 16]

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    Man, this survey is very thorough.

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    Looks like someone's getting ready for 6th Edition.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Here's my response to the question "What do you do to prepare as a DM?" I very nearly hit the word count limit.
    Me wrote:
    I've been preparing for my next campaign to DM for three months now.

    I like to research D&D lore and NPCs from current and prior editions and am working on integrating them into the Wildemount setting (for example, I intend to use Shaktari from the 2E Planescape adventure "Nemesis", Seghulerak from 3.5's "Elder Evils" as well as Fortenk the Time Collector from the 4E "Gloomwrought" book). I've looked to adventure modules from Fifth and Fourth Edition especially for inspiration on where the campaign could go based on player actions.

    I've been purchasing both official and unofficial miniatures to represent important NPCs and monsters I plan to use in the campaign (utilizing 4E monster tokens for less important characters and creatures). I've purchased all the monster and spell card sets for quick reference (during my last campaign, which ended before the release of the Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes monster card sets, I copied down monster statblocks from those sources by hand onto note cards). I have at least three of each set of Dungeon Tiles (I use backing board and removable adhesive to make maps in advance with the tiles) as well as poster maps to represent various areas where combat will occur (I'd love new Dungeon Tiles sets, by the way, particularly ones that focus on environments such as jungles, deserts, and the Abyss).

    I've prepared lists of NPCs organized by faction and/or location. I've written down notes for the NPC crewmembers of multiple ships the PCs may interact with. I've put forethought into how certain NPCs may have already interacted with one another or left an impact on the world. I've statted-up multiple unique NPCs and monsters. I've printed off material for two three-ring binders, one devoted to unique NPCs and monsters I've designed and one filled with resources for coming up with various character and location details on short notice that I've found in online communities (primarily Reddit, Instagram, and Pinterest).

    Once the campaign actually begins I imagine most of my prep time will be imagining how the world reacts to the player characters and responding accordingly with challenges. I'll comb official published materials and fan materials to see if there's something I can pull out to use to save time, but failing that I'll invent things myself. For any possible combatants I take folded miniature index cards and write the combatant's name and AC on both sides to hang on the top edge of my DM Screen (I just let players go ahead and see a combatant's AC to help speed combat). If I plan to use a particularly large group of enemies and/or ones that roll lots of damage dice I'll pre-calculate damage in a list to check off in sequence (this speeds things up at high levels especially). Then all I'll need to do is put together combat maps I might require and bring relevant resources (monster cards, spell cards, miniatures and tokens, props, initiative cards, etc).

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
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    Denada wrote: »
    Looks like someone's getting ready for 6th Edition.

    This survey seems way too broad for that, and I haven't seen any questions yet asking what you'd like to see changed. For example, right now I'm looking at this:

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    EDIT: I wonder what the intention behind this question is?

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  • DenadaDenada Registered User regular
    Broad questions like "What parts of D&D do you like?" and "What parts of the game do you not want to do anymore?" and "What kind of game designers are you familiar with?" are 100% the kinds of questions an early 6E survey would ask. I mean the first phrase in the tweet is "Help shape the future of D&D" for Bahamut's sake.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
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    Denada wrote: »
    Broad questions like "What parts of D&D do you like?" and "What parts of the game do you not want to do anymore?" and "What kind of game designers are you familiar with?" are 100% the kinds of questions an early 6E survey would ask. I mean the first phrase in the tweet is "Help shape the future of D&D" for Bahamut's sake.

    It's possible, I guess. It seems more to me like they're interested in how to integrate digital tools to D&D, which they could hypothetically do with 5E.

    I was honestly a bit perplexed by questions like "how do you feel about tracking initiative?"

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  • DenadaDenada Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Denada wrote: »
    Broad questions like "What parts of D&D do you like?" and "What parts of the game do you not want to do anymore?" and "What kind of game designers are you familiar with?" are 100% the kinds of questions an early 6E survey would ask. I mean the first phrase in the tweet is "Help shape the future of D&D" for Bahamut's sake.

    It's possible, I guess.

    I was honestly a bit perplexed by questions like "how do you feel about tracking initiative?"

    This is another of the exact kind of question they'd be asking to prep for a new edition.

    Variations of this kind of survey were frequent back in the D&D Next days.

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    edited August 14
    My favorite initiative tracker, i love this thing https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.manzo.ddinitiative
    Free, but i ended up paying a bit because i liked it.

    I like it because it lets me randomize initative every round but also define initiatives that are static or have adv/disadv.

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Denada wrote: »
    Looks like someone's getting ready for 6th Edition.

    This survey seems way too broad for that, and I haven't seen any questions yet asking what you'd like to see changed. For example, right now I'm looking at this:

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    EDIT: I wonder what the intention behind this question is?

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    Well the next question after the authors question is if you would be influenced about buying a piece of D&D content if they were attached. They are fishing to see if the folks who got negative press actually matter to the broader D&D community.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Its a pretty standard “what do we want to focus on” thing. Their current focus has been

    1) official activities ala adventurers league
    2) premade adventures

    And 1 is shut down for the foreseeable future. They asked about designers because some of those designers are writers. They’re getting to “should we get some new splat out or should we write some new modules or should we recycle old ones so we can put gygax’s name on it”

    Additionally they asked about production support materials and online resources. IE its “what do you use and how do you use it”. If you answered that you DM’d you got a bunch of questions about what aspect of prep work was hardest/made you less likely to engage.

    So to me it looks like “is there the space to expand d&d beyond?” Now that a lot of our designers are not working on adventurers league what should we do with them.

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  • webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    edited August 14
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Its a pretty standard “what do we want to focus on” thing. Their current focus has been

    1) official activities ala adventurers league
    2) premade adventures

    And 1 is shut down for the foreseeable future. They asked about designers because some of those designers are writers. They’re getting to “should we get some new splat out or should we write some new modules or should we recycle old ones so we can put gygax’s name on it”

    Additionally they asked about production support materials and online resources. IE its “what do you use and how do you use it”. If you answered that you DM’d you got a bunch of questions about what aspect of prep work was hardest/made you less likely to engage.

    So to me it looks like “is there the space to expand d&d beyond?” Now that a lot of our designers are not working on adventurers league what should we do with them.

    Yea I fully expect D&D Beyond to pick up tools for campaign management, and man, if they can ever get a VTT off the ground that fully integrates with all that stuff? That would be nice. Just thinking about being able to build an encounter in a tab in campaign management, then be able to click a button and have it transported to the VTT seamlessly? That would be nice.

    Just thinking about that with pre-built adventures would be amazing. You buy the adventure, it comes with a fully editable campaign loaded into your campaign management tab, ready to rock and roll with the VTT. MMMmmm. Thats integration that I like right there.

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