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what makes something a toy in the toystoryverse

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Toys seem to be able to instinctively tell at a glance whether something is sentient or not.

    Woody is seen writing on a pad that is definitely a toy and has been played with but the notepad is not alive.

  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    I've thought too deeply and now I cannot watch Toy Story ever again it is a Hell World

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Does Goku exist in the toy story universe

    a bootleg goku exists but the only toys that appear in the toy story universe are those in the public domain and those disney owns

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  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    Do you think that all living toys comprehend and/or feel pain?

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited August 2020
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Do you think that all living toys comprehend and/or feel pain?

    yes
    when buzz fell down the stairwell and his limb popped out his psyche was shattered by the incomprehensible pain

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  • NorgothNorgoth cardiffRegistered User regular
    Are the hybrid toys made my Sid totally new beings or are they amalgams of the people they were before?

  • MachwingMachwing It looks like a harmless old computer, doesn't it? Left in this cave to rot ... or to flower!Registered User regular
    Does a toy modeled after a real thing acquire the traits of that thing? The green army men were familiar with army tactics, despite never being in the army. Or did Andy imprint his understanding of army tactics on them?

    Are toys just Primals?

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  • WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Can bootleg toys gain sentience or just their true selves?
    Obviously they can; that would be an absurd limitation.

    The real question is...would a knockoff Buzz Lightyear inherit the same factory-preset personality that an authentic one would, or a slightly-off approximation of it, or would it just be a blank slate?

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Do you think that all living toys comprehend and/or feel pain?

    Yes.
    Woody felt pain when Stinky Pete ripped his arm.
    Parts that are meant to come apart don't generate pain though.

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  • discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Wyvern wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Can bootleg toys gain sentience or just their true selves?
    Obviously they can; that would be an absurd limitation.

    The real question is...would a knockoff Buzz Lightyear inherit the same factory-preset personality that an authentic one would, or a slightly-off approximation of it, or would it just be a blank slate?

    It would inherit the knocked-off version of it.
    So if the backstory is hideously warped on the box, so too is the personality.

  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Look, Forky raises a LOT of questions about toys and self and identity. Try not to think about it toon much.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    If it could be traumatized by seeing you jerk it for the first time, it's a toy

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    If it could be traumatized by seeing you jerk it for the first time, it's a toy

    Could be, but not necessarily is

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Do you think that all living toys comprehend and/or feel pain?

    yes
    when buzz fell down the stairwell and his limb popped out his psyche was shattered by the incomprehensible pain

    it wasn’t the pain, it was the stark and unavoidable realization that he is indeed a toy and not the real ass buzz lightyear

    I posit they can’t feel pain traditionally, like we humans do. They feel something akin to it, certainly, but it’s far more psychological

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    Whippy wrote: »
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Do you think that all living toys comprehend and/or feel pain?

    yes
    when buzz fell down the stairwell and his limb popped out his psyche was shattered by the incomprehensible pain

    it wasn’t the pain, it was the stark and unavoidable realization that he is indeed a toy and not the real ass buzz lightyear

    I posit they can’t feel pain traditionally, like we humans do. They feel something akin to it, certainly, but it’s far more psychological

    For example, when Woody's arm was ripped by Stinky Pete I figure it was less pain and more a feeling of loosing all sensation and function in his arm as a result.

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Everyone knows that what truly brings toys to life is the Globotech X-1000 3-D Organic Reactive Lattice Microchip

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    so we all know that the first requirement of a Toy is that it's something that is Made, the making is what pours the soul in and makes something like forky or sporky or whatevva da fuk his name was

    but how little making is required

    is a ball and stick a Toy

    I think it's some combination of making and anthropomorphizing on behalf of the child/children

    If an object is "brought" to life through play then it really comes to life. For instance, Bopeep ISN'T a toy, she's a lamp, but she was played with like a toy and that gave her life

    If you're just playing with a ball and stick then they're just a ball and stick. If you are imagining that the ball and stick have personalities, they become toys

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    So a bat or at least the ball is a Toy.

    but this just proves Speed's point. That's not a normal hockey puck, that's a hockey puck with arms and legs. It's anthropormorphized in a way that a bat or a ball would not be.

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  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Norgoth wrote: »
    Are the hybrid toys made my Sid totally new beings or are they amalgams of the people they were before?

    If you kitbash an action figure, does the personality change to match the new character? At what point?

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  • QuantumTurkQuantumTurk Registered User regular
    cursedking wrote: »
    discrider wrote: »
    so we all know that the first requirement of a Toy is that it's something that is Made, the making is what pours the soul in and makes something like forky or sporky or whatevva da fuk his name was

    but how little making is required

    is a ball and stick a Toy

    I think it's some combination of making and anthropomorphizing on behalf of the child/children

    If an object is "brought" to life through play then it really comes to life. For instance, Bopeep ISN'T a toy, she's a lamp, but she was played with like a toy and that gave her life

    If you're just playing with a ball and stick then they're just a ball and stick. If you are imagining that the ball and stick have personalities, they become toys

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    So a bat or at least the ball is a Toy.

    but this just proves Speed's point. That's not a normal hockey puck, that's a hockey puck with arms and legs. It's anthropormorphized in a way that a bat or a ball would not be.

    BUT if a child took a normal puck and began playing with it in anthro manner....would it pull a forky? If so would it long only to be slapped across ice the same way forky desires naught but the sweet embrace of the bin? Would the soul possess the puck but be unable to move or speak with no limbs, eyes, or mouth, just the terror of a being that can feel and want, but can do nothing for either.

  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Well what about people who leave toys in the packaging do they know the terror of never being loved

  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    It is worth remembering that Andy gets battleship for his birthday and the toys show relief over it, and are shown later playing the game, which does not move or express itself in any way, implying that even though it's played with by a child it doesn't qualify as a "toy"

  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    Well what about people who leave toys in the packaging do they know the terror of never being loved
    Jedoc wrote: »
    Norgoth wrote: »
    Are the hybrid toys made my Sid totally new beings or are they amalgams of the people they were before?

    If you kitbash an action figure, does the personality change to match the new character? At what point?

    These are both questions that get directly addressed in the films

  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    Well what about people who leave toys in the packaging do they know the terror of never being loved
    Jedoc wrote: »
    Norgoth wrote: »
    Are the hybrid toys made my Sid totally new beings or are they amalgams of the people they were before?

    If you kitbash an action figure, does the personality change to match the new character? At what point?

    These are both questions that get directly addressed in the films

    I have only seen the first movies and bits and pieces of the second nothing of the rest

  • ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Everyone knows that what truly brings toys to life is the Globotech X-1000 3-D Organic Reactive Lattice Microchip

    Well that and dark Voodoo magic.

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  • Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    This makes the "Build a Figure" toys pretty dark. You have to buy all the Ghostbusters if you want this demon dog to have his legs.

  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    so we all know that the first requirement of a Toy is that it's something that is Made, the making is what pours the soul in and makes something like forky or sporky or whatevva da fuk his name was

    but how little making is required

    is a ball and stick a Toy

    I think it's some combination of making and anthropomorphizing on behalf of the child/children

    If an object is "brought" to life through play then it really comes to life. For instance, Bopeep ISN'T a toy, she's a lamp, but she was played with like a toy and that gave her life

    If you're just playing with a ball and stick then they're just a ball and stick. If you are imagining that the ball and stick have personalities, they become toys

    We do see toys that are still in-packaging as having Toyness before they have the opportunity to be physically handled by children though

    So now we're entering into territory where we have to ask if it requires a Child to imagine them as having play, or if the adults making them being conscious of them being toys also provides the spark

    It's the kids for sure. Or more specifically, their avarice.

  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    so we all know that the first requirement of a Toy is that it's something that is Made, the making is what pours the soul in and makes something like forky or sporky or whatevva da fuk his name was

    but how little making is required

    is a ball and stick a Toy

    I think it's some combination of making and anthropomorphizing on behalf of the child/children

    If an object is "brought" to life through play then it really comes to life. For instance, Bopeep ISN'T a toy, she's a lamp, but she was played with like a toy and that gave her life

    If you're just playing with a ball and stick then they're just a ball and stick. If you are imagining that the ball and stick have personalities, they become toys

    We do see toys that are still in-packaging as having Toyness before they have the opportunity to be physically handled by children though

    So now we're entering into territory where we have to ask if it requires a Child to imagine them as having play, or if the adults making them being conscious of them being toys also provides the spark

    It's the kids for sure. Or more specifically, their avarice.

    I thought this at first, but Rex notes his origins, where he was built, etc. They seem to have some sort of imbued knowledge about their creation, which they wouldn't have if it was awoken after being desired.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The toy story universe becomes a nightmare hellscape if you think about it at all with logic

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    The toy story universe becomes a nightmare hellscape if you think about it at all with logic

    Most fictional settings do.

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  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    The toy story universe becomes a nightmare hellscape if you think about it at all with logic

    Most fictional settings do.

    I've spent five years deciphering the ways in which Angel Grove is a nightmare hellscape, safe only in comparison to Everywhere Else In That Setting

  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    The really interesting Toy Story question is about the People Who Know. I'm not talking like Sid, who might be in denial to this day. But, you know, adults with nannycams or security systems and have seen everything. Some must have accepted the truth. Maybe they even confronted the toys, showed them the video evidence, but agreed to keep the toys' secrets as long as it makes their kids happy?

    You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    edited August 2020
    I will have you know that this whole thread is making me think of a short film some local theatre company put together back in June that used the audio of a scene from Toy Story and stop motion footage of the artist's sex toy collection

    It was very good but also seems to have been removed from YouTube

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    What if a kid plays with their food?
    I can go to IHOP and get a pancake with a smiley face drawn on it. Does it become a toy if a kid plays with it?
    Does it stop being a toy when the kid finally decides to sit down and eat the pancake?

  • Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
    Children are small monstrous gods. They know not the life they create, nor how the toys strive to give back joy to their unassuming creator.

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    oh man i didn't think about playing with your food, jesus christ

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    What if a kid plays with their food?
    I can go to IHOP and get a pancake with a smiley face drawn on it. Does it become a toy if a kid plays with it?
    Does it stop being a toy when the kid finally decides to sit down and eat the pancake?

    For most instances of that, the child would be actively playing with the food.

    Now we know that living toys generally just ragdoll when a child is playing with them, but we also know that they frequently function in mimicry of how they are played with.

    What I'm suggesting is that the quickening or ensoulment of a toy is something that happens after a child begins to play with it, as a result of that play. Essentially the lifeforce of a toy is a work of inertia - a toy, when played with, will attempt to continue the life that it was given while it was being played with.

    Therefore, a child playing with their food would be beginning the quickening process, but by not ever leaving the emerging toy alone, it's never given true life before being consumed.

  • ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    edited August 2020


    Click for a man losing his mind over toy story

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  • Endless_SerpentsEndless_Serpents Registered User regular
    What if the story of the toys isn’t true?

  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    see317 wrote: »
    What if a kid plays with their food?
    I can go to IHOP and get a pancake with a smiley face drawn on it. Does it become a toy if a kid plays with it?
    Does it stop being a toy when the kid finally decides to sit down and eat the pancake?

    So in this case should the pancacke become sentient its only driving want and purpose will be to have you eat it. Its a win win I guess.

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