That’s the thing though: he’s reading the room just fine.
The Democratic Party is very clear in their method for obtaining votes. Wealthy white folks should be enticed, all other groups should be coerced.
it's just you'd think they'd be less overt about it, considering they need a lot of votes from folks who aren't wealthy or white
this is shit you say when you're already in charge and you don't need to worry so hard about distancing yourself from the competition in an election that is gonna be pretty close
probably looking at the polls putting them 10 points ahead and assuming it's in the bag already
That’s the thing though: he’s reading the room just fine.
The Democratic Party is very clear in their method for obtaining votes. Wealthy white folks should be enticed, all other groups should be coerced.
it's just you'd think they'd be less overt about it, considering they need a lot of votes from folks who aren't wealthy or white
this is shit you say when you're already in charge and you don't need to worry so hard about distancing yourself from the competition in an election that is gonna be pretty close
Unfortunately Biden "reads the room" pretty well. Even among black people more people support leaving police funding the same or increasing it than cutting it. And the numbers are much worse for everyone else.
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I don't care about polls that say people want police funding to stay the same when literally every part of popular culture/the media is, if not explicitly pro police, at the very least pushing the narrative that police are a net good, a public service, and that any problems are just individual problems rather than systemic issues.
A leader's job shouldn't be to just get elected by pandering to the common viewpoint, they need to actually work at identifying problems and solving them. There is plenty of concrete evidence that the police are a huge fucking problem, and any candidate who's solution to this problem is "well they just need more funding" cause it plays well with voters, without ever bothering to wonder why it plays well with voters, is a complicit fool.
That’s the thing though: he’s reading the room just fine.
The Democratic Party is very clear in their method for obtaining votes. Wealthy white folks should be enticed, all other groups should be coerced.
it's just you'd think they'd be less overt about it, considering they need a lot of votes from folks who aren't wealthy or white
this is shit you say when you're already in charge and you don't need to worry so hard about distancing yourself from the competition in an election that is gonna be pretty close
Unfortunately Biden "reads the room" pretty well. Even among black people more people support leaving police funding the same or increasing it than cutting it. And the numbers are much worse for everyone else.
The questions taken as a whole seem to indicate that many don't know exactly how big police budgets are compared to what are considered equivalent government services. I certainly know that *I* was surprised when I found out.
There’s avoiding the phrasing “Defund the police” because political messaging blah blah blah. I get it... it sucks but we live in a hell world so I get it
But no, it’s also gotta be “actually I think we should give them more money” because that is who Biden is
That’s the thing though: he’s reading the room just fine.
The Democratic Party is very clear in their method for obtaining votes. Wealthy white folks should be enticed, all other groups should be coerced.
it's just you'd think they'd be less overt about it, considering they need a lot of votes from folks who aren't wealthy or white
this is shit you say when you're already in charge and you don't need to worry so hard about distancing yourself from the competition in an election that is gonna be pretty close
Unfortunately Biden "reads the room" pretty well. Even among black people more people support leaving police funding the same or increasing it than cutting it. And the numbers are much worse for everyone else.
The questions taken as a whole seem to indicate that many don't know exactly how big police budgets are compared to what are considered equivalent government services. I certainly know that *I* was surprised when I found out.
Quite possibility! I'm not arguing for anyone here taking Biden's position, just noting that it's a lot more common than it should be.
That’s the thing though: he’s reading the room just fine.
The Democratic Party is very clear in their method for obtaining votes. Wealthy white folks should be enticed, all other groups should be coerced.
it's just you'd think they'd be less overt about it, considering they need a lot of votes from folks who aren't wealthy or white
this is shit you say when you're already in charge and you don't need to worry so hard about distancing yourself from the competition in an election that is gonna be pretty close
Unfortunately Biden "reads the room" pretty well. Even among black people more people support leaving police funding the same or increasing it than cutting it. And the numbers are much worse for everyone else.
The questions taken as a whole seem to indicate that many don't know exactly how big police budgets are compared to what are considered equivalent government services. I certainly know that *I* was surprised when I found out.
Something I've thought about doing is making a table of the top 20 PDs and showing the total budget, total pop served, and the ratio. Cause I thought at first maybe NYPDs budget was in line with my local one but it's population that makes it bigger and nope it's $715 per cap to $423 per cap.
The per cap number helps to compare and shows that like "hey you're effectively paying this much to your police department aren't you happy with the service provided lol"
It’s also a very common perspective amongst actual social workers that they don’t WANT to simply be rolled into the police structure, on the grounds that it would lead to abuse done to social workers by police, and erode existing trust that citizens have in social workers by more directly associating them to an entity that is overall distrusted by the public.
EDIT: Consider how police have reacted to even the vaguest consideration that they should be de-escalating situations. Consider how they treat actual police officers who dare to put forth the notion that they shouldn’t be monsters, or blow the whistle on what is apparently normal police behavior. Take that group, now place a group that is a physical manifestation of ‘you’re evil and also terrible at your job’ and place it right in the center.
Sort of annoying that quotes don't work from closed threads.
Anyway re: SPD and sweeps: Yes I'm aware they do them anyway. They're still illegal. What, you think cops follow the law even most of the time?
it's complex, but you can quote from a closed thread
- on the post you're trying to quote, right-click the quote button
- select 'copy link location'
- paste this in a notepad file
- - note the number after 'quote/' (call it A)
- in the thread in which you wish to post, look at the address bar
- write down the number after 'discussion/' (here, it's 237012; call this
- in the pasted url, replace A with B
- copy the updated url to your address bar
- hit enter
I don’t even know how to parse this. Usually I can guess what he’s fumbling towards, but is this political diversity? Ethnic diversity? How much they like ol aw-shucks Joe diversity? (My bet is on the latter)
my extremely generous guess is he's trying to explain why he'd been doing well among black voters during the primary, but latinx voters largely backed bernie and have been hesitant to commit to biden in polls for the general
There’s also the substantial dissonance between Biden The Human Person, and JoeBiden dot com: The Thing that Up Until Now Seems To Be Used Exclusively As A Shield Against Attacks On The Left.
Despite a complete reworking of his platform by people I respect a lot more than Joe Biden, Primary Biden doesn’t actually talk about this more liberal platform very much. When he talks about specifics, it’s things like ‘I want to increase police funding and have them use it on X Y and Z’ and when he’s in front of a more liberal crowd it’s ‘I want to build a new economy for all to realize the American Dream’ which is just politician word salad.
There’s also the substantial dissonance between Biden The Human Person, and JoeBiden dot com: The Thing that Up Until Now Seems To Be Used Exclusively As A Shield Against Attacks On The Left.
Despite a complete reworking of his platform by people I respect a lot more than Joe Biden, Primary Biden doesn’t actually talk about this more liberal platform very much. When he talks about specifics, it’s things like ‘I want to increase police funding and have them use it on X Y and Z’ and when he’s in front of a more liberal crowd it’s ‘I want to build a new economy for all to realize the American Dream’ which is just politician word salad.
It drives me nuts. It’s a completely meaningless platform and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when the site gets brought up to defend something
Biden is correct in that the Latino community is extremely diverse in circumstances and beliefs. Its how you get Cuban American Republicans. Its highly objectionable to not view African Americans the same and is another symptom of the Democrats taking everyone for granted.
There’s also the substantial dissonance between Biden The Human Person, and JoeBiden dot com: The Thing that Up Until Now Seems To Be Used Exclusively As A Shield Against Attacks On The Left.
Despite a complete reworking of his platform by people I respect a lot more than Joe Biden, Primary Biden doesn’t actually talk about this more liberal platform very much. When he talks about specifics, it’s things like ‘I want to increase police funding and have them use it on X Y and Z’ and when he’s in front of a more liberal crowd it’s ‘I want to build a new economy for all to realize the American Dream’ which is just politician word salad.
Its amazing to me how much we get "but its on the website"
Governor DeSantis of Florida straight up cops that the unemployment system was set up to be terrible in order to discourage people from using it. I wonder what will become of the company that designed it.
I’m pretty desperate and more than a little naive, so I’d even settle for some of the authors like Warren or Sanders stumping for Biden’s platform on his behalf, but that hasn’t happened either!
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I’m pretty desperate and more than a little naive, so I’d even settle for some of the authors like Warren or Sanders stumping for Biden’s platform on his behalf, but that hasn’t happened either!
Ex classmate of mine was derisively asking me how I settled on doing public sector work given the lower pay (pay is fine thank you)
I said 1) we got a degree in public policy and 2) I can actually sleep with myself at night knowing I did something to try and make the world a little better.
it chaps my ass to an unbelievable extent getting preemptively blamed for trump part two because i don't want to vote for him while the candidate himself is telling me to vote for someone else
i'm in the enviable(?) position of living in an extremely red district of an extremely blue state, so my vote is kinda double meaningless and i have the luxury of not voting for president or voting for hawkins or la riva (probably la riva)
"you have to vote for me or else whatever the other guy does is your fault" is so goddamn corrosive
I don't have the luxury of removing my vote from the pool unfortunately. I'm sure there will be endless blame towards me for my lack of enthusiasm and being critical of Biden. I get the feeling of Hillary part 2 anytime I read anything about Biden.
I’m pretty desperate and more than a little naive, so I’d even settle for some of the authors like Warren or Sanders stumping for Biden’s platform on his behalf, but that hasn’t happened either!
Actually yes! I know you meant it different, but this is actually a fantastic example of what I'm talking about.
It spends about equal time talking about Trump as it does about Biden, and the timeframe spent speaking about Biden's platform are very general and filled with stuff like 'if implemented' and '[Biden's] come a long way
The words 'Childcare, Education, Nursing Home Care' are all things that are said during the interview, in succession, as being things to work on for 'recovering the human infrastructure' of the US, but nothing is said about what will actually be done to these things to recover them. Regarding climate change, 'the candidate has come a long way'. This sentiment is echoed regarding education and criminal justice, with nothing being cited for anything.
The interviewer even directly asks 'how are you, Bernie Sanders, going to ensure that Biden keeps his word?' and Sanders replies that he's going to continue growing the grassroots movement that he built during the campaign. Which is good, but completely divorced from the Biden platform, candidacy, or Presidency.
I don't actually think Trump is going to win re-election.
I think people are going to dismiss the four years of missteps, gaffes and an overall lack of delivery that follows a Biden inauguration by 'at least it's not Trump!'
I think there a not-insubstantial number of Democratic politicians who are actually grateful of a perceived GOP decline because it, in turn, lowers the bar for them, and Democrats are only ever concerned with clearing that bar
If I think about giving close to 500 dollars of my money to the goddamned sellout turncoat fucker Bernie Sanders, who I used to respect and admire tremendously, I get pretty damn irritated
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why try when you can not try
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/07/09/majority-of-public-favors-giving-civilians-the-power-to-sue-police-officers-for-misconduct/
Unfortunately Biden "reads the room" pretty well. Even among black people more people support leaving police funding the same or increasing it than cutting it. And the numbers are much worse for everyone else.
A leader's job shouldn't be to just get elected by pandering to the common viewpoint, they need to actually work at identifying problems and solving them. There is plenty of concrete evidence that the police are a huge fucking problem, and any candidate who's solution to this problem is "well they just need more funding" cause it plays well with voters, without ever bothering to wonder why it plays well with voters, is a complicit fool.
The questions taken as a whole seem to indicate that many don't know exactly how big police budgets are compared to what are considered equivalent government services. I certainly know that *I* was surprised when I found out.
But no, it’s also gotta be “actually I think we should give them more money” because that is who Biden is
PSN: Robo_Wizard1
Quite possibility! I'm not arguing for anyone here taking Biden's position, just noting that it's a lot more common than it should be.
Something I've thought about doing is making a table of the top 20 PDs and showing the total budget, total pop served, and the ratio. Cause I thought at first maybe NYPDs budget was in line with my local one but it's population that makes it bigger and nope it's $715 per cap to $423 per cap.
EDIT: Consider how police have reacted to even the vaguest consideration that they should be de-escalating situations. Consider how they treat actual police officers who dare to put forth the notion that they shouldn’t be monsters, or blow the whistle on what is apparently normal police behavior. Take that group, now place a group that is a physical manifestation of ‘you’re evil and also terrible at your job’ and place it right in the center.
it's complex, but you can quote from a closed thread
- on the post you're trying to quote, right-click the quote button
- select 'copy link location'
- paste this in a notepad file
- - note the number after 'quote/' (call it A)
- in the thread in which you wish to post, look at the address bar
- write down the number after 'discussion/' (here, it's 237012; call this
- in the pasted url, replace A with B
- copy the updated url to your address bar
- hit enter
I don’t even know how to parse this. Usually I can guess what he’s fumbling towards, but is this political diversity? Ethnic diversity? How much they like ol aw-shucks Joe diversity? (My bet is on the latter)
Despite a complete reworking of his platform by people I respect a lot more than Joe Biden, Primary Biden doesn’t actually talk about this more liberal platform very much. When he talks about specifics, it’s things like ‘I want to increase police funding and have them use it on X Y and Z’ and when he’s in front of a more liberal crowd it’s ‘I want to build a new economy for all to realize the American Dream’ which is just politician word salad.
It drives me nuts. It’s a completely meaningless platform and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when the site gets brought up to defend something
PSN: Robo_Wizard1
Its amazing to me how much we get "but its on the website"
It's really hard to stay positive
add to that the fact that none of the polls take into account that a shitload of people are becoming/about to become homeless
Governor DeSantis of Florida straight up cops that the unemployment system was set up to be terrible in order to discourage people from using it. I wonder what will become of the company that designed it.
https://www.wesh.com/article/lucrative-new-state-contract-for-florida-unemployment-site-builder/33525922?fbclid=IwAR2PrhOoZIY2PZeY_lerTzz_D6HU4tdR3SMe3Q-pZ4SuIS-S-fgO-dQYgj0
oh....
oh god all of these posts that i have made
Huh, interesting, I'll have to try that next time.
They’re bad
like this?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/07/22/amanpour-bernie-sanders-biden-2020.cnn
Ex classmate of mine was derisively asking me how I settled on doing public sector work given the lower pay (pay is fine thank you)
I said 1) we got a degree in public policy and 2) I can actually sleep with myself at night knowing I did something to try and make the world a little better.
She wasn't fond of that answer
dems were shocked when that largely didn't happen, because they'd spent years telling themselves that we were a cult that would march for dear leader
it chaps my ass to an unbelievable extent getting preemptively blamed for trump part two because i don't want to vote for him while the candidate himself is telling me to vote for someone else
i'm in the enviable(?) position of living in an extremely red district of an extremely blue state, so my vote is kinda double meaningless and i have the luxury of not voting for president or voting for hawkins or la riva (probably la riva)
"you have to vote for me or else whatever the other guy does is your fault" is so goddamn corrosive
hitting hot metal with hammers
Same basic policies in a more rancid packaging.
Actually yes! I know you meant it different, but this is actually a fantastic example of what I'm talking about.
It spends about equal time talking about Trump as it does about Biden, and the timeframe spent speaking about Biden's platform are very general and filled with stuff like 'if implemented' and '[Biden's] come a long way
The words 'Childcare, Education, Nursing Home Care' are all things that are said during the interview, in succession, as being things to work on for 'recovering the human infrastructure' of the US, but nothing is said about what will actually be done to these things to recover them. Regarding climate change, 'the candidate has come a long way'. This sentiment is echoed regarding education and criminal justice, with nothing being cited for anything.
The interviewer even directly asks 'how are you, Bernie Sanders, going to ensure that Biden keeps his word?' and Sanders replies that he's going to continue growing the grassroots movement that he built during the campaign. Which is good, but completely divorced from the Biden platform, candidacy, or Presidency.
I think people are going to dismiss the four years of missteps, gaffes and an overall lack of delivery that follows a Biden inauguration by 'at least it's not Trump!'
I think there a not-insubstantial number of Democratic politicians who are actually grateful of a perceived GOP decline because it, in turn, lowers the bar for them, and Democrats are only ever concerned with clearing that bar