Why would you even charge a person for police over time? What's the point of their grossly inflated budgets and excessive ticketing if they cant cover their salaries.
I mean, I know the answer I would just love to hear an answer from the officials.
According to the article it’s common practice for events that require police escort but don’t meet with the city first. I have no idea if that’s unusual but even if it is they DID try to meet with the city. They requested a zoom meeting from COVID concerns instead of an in-person and the city just stopped responding.
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WeaverWho are you?What do you want?Registered Userregular
Can I drop all of the Reagan-Era warheads existing during the Reagan era USA/USSR immediately on top of the persons or peoples who thought that THAT WOULD BE A GOOD AGENDER VEHICLE.
High school graduate
Had black lives matter event
Mayor sent a bill
*koto twang*
A teen who organized a Black Lives Matter rally in her northern New Jersey town said she has been sent a $2500 bill from officials for police overtime.
Fuck me this is infuriating
Yeah it's incredibly stupid and mean-spirited, and one phonecall to the ACLU will make it go away pretty much instantly.
The stories you hear outta Ubisoft is that most of the rank and file and/or consultants they use are actually progressive enough, and can fight hard enough for things like a good portrayal of the AC3 protagonist, or for the existence of Kassandra, period
But they are undercut at every turn by well-entrenched oppressors at the top
I mean that wouldn't hold up in court. It's just bullying. Like all the shit these fuckers do.
yeah this is another standard operating procedure thing. they constantly do shit they know is illegal, but a) it doesn't matter if something's illegal if the person you're doing it to doesn't have the time or money to fight it, or even the basic ability to call a lawyer and ask "hey is this on the up and up," and b) the courts uphold illegal shit the cops do all the time, so fuck it, might as well give it a shot
turtleantGunpla Dadis the best.Registered Userregular
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If you're rich and your target is poor, you dont even have to try particularly hard to win your spurious court case. Being tied up in the legal process will cost the defendant so much in time, money, possibly their job if they miss work for court dates, and stress, that they win basically by default.
Even if the rich person gets ordered to pay the defendants legal fees because the judge has a shred of decency it almost certainly isn't enough to actually inconvenience the rich person and the poor person still spent probably months of their time fighting a pointless battle.
turtleant on
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turtleantGunpla Dadis the best.Registered Userregular
And of course when it's the cops doing this if you fight it you're liable to end up with a bullet in you, but that probably goes without saying at this point
And of course when it's the cops doing this if you fight it you're liable to end up with a bullet in you, but that probably goes without saying at this point
it definitely does go without saying unfortunately, which is why it's worth saying at every opportunity and as loudly as possible
it's infuriating how commonplace police retribution/intimidation is even in this day and age
High school graduate
Had black lives matter event
Mayor sent a bill
*koto twang*
A teen who organized a Black Lives Matter rally in her northern New Jersey town said she has been sent a $2500 bill from officials for police overtime.
Fuck me this is infuriating
Yeah it's incredibly stupid and mean-spirited, and one phonecall to the ACLU will make it go away pretty much instantly.
Donovan PuppyfuckerA dagger in the dark isworth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered Userregular
Yeah they can be pretty shit about a lot of things, but surely this is exactly the kind of thing they would have a dozen or so of their lawyers calling that mayor's office and screaming the 1st amendment down the phone at them?
the ACLU is like the platonic ideal of having a mind so open it falls out your head
they've done a lot of good stuff, but it's hard to not look at an organization as at the very least a potential enemy when they argue in court to allow nazis to march in a town that is home to a whole bunch of holocaust survivors
the ACLU is like the platonic ideal of having a mind so open it falls out your head
they've done a lot of good stuff, but it's hard to not look at an organization as at the very least a potential enemy when they argue in court to allow nazis to march in a town that is home to a whole bunch of holocaust survivors
I'm sure they'd also fight for the right for holocaust survivors to march in a town with a whole bunch of nazis.
The ACLU is not / should not be there to promote a particular "side" - they are there to support people's rights, whether you agree with the particular expression of those rights or not.
the ACLU is like the platonic ideal of having a mind so open it falls out your head
they've done a lot of good stuff, but it's hard to not look at an organization as at the very least a potential enemy when they argue in court to allow nazis to march in a town that is home to a whole bunch of holocaust survivors
I'm sure they'd also fight for the right for holocaust survivors to march in a town with a whole bunch of nazis.
The ACLU is not / should not be there to promote a particular "side" - they are there to support people's rights, whether you agree with the particular expression of those rights or not.
Yeah but the thing is they have a limited number of resources and there's always gonna be more work to do than they have time or manpower
What cases don't get taken up by them when they need to make room on their docket to defend a racist
the ACLU is like the platonic ideal of having a mind so open it falls out your head
they've done a lot of good stuff, but it's hard to not look at an organization as at the very least a potential enemy when they argue in court to allow nazis to march in a town that is home to a whole bunch of holocaust survivors
I'm sure they'd also fight for the right for holocaust survivors to march in a town with a whole bunch of nazis.
The ACLU is not / should not be there to promote a particular "side" - they are there to support people's rights, whether you agree with the particular expression of those rights or not.
Are you seriously advocating free speech for Nazis in 2020
They have continued to support people being Nazis as a free speech thing into the modern day as well
I remember it specifically as the day I stopped giving them money
Didn't the ACLU alter their policies a couple years back to specifically not do the defending-your-right-to-say-it thing for both nazis and also armed groups in general because of how many people stopped donating to them?
the ACLU is like the platonic ideal of having a mind so open it falls out your head
they've done a lot of good stuff, but it's hard to not look at an organization as at the very least a potential enemy when they argue in court to allow nazis to march in a town that is home to a whole bunch of holocaust survivors
I'm sure they'd also fight for the right for holocaust survivors to march in a town with a whole bunch of nazis.
The ACLU is not / should not be there to promote a particular "side" - they are there to support people's rights, whether you agree with the particular expression of those rights or not.
♪One of these things is not like the other♪
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
To put it another way if I tell someone I am going to kill them, maybe I go into some real nasty details because I'm a total piece of shit, is that protected speech, or is it a threat and thus assault.
And if it is assault, how is Nazi rhetoric not.
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
A lot of Nazi iconography is so recognizable that its meaning can be instantly intuited, which means it's essentially speech, and baby you better believe that speech is hateful.
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
are you guys forgetting the famous quote?
"i disapprove of what you say (about killing me), but I will defend to the death (at your hands) your right to say it"
They have continued to support people being Nazis as a free speech thing into the modern day as well
I remember it specifically as the day I stopped giving them money
Ok I will spoiler this for reasons
The secret german club was real former ww2 wehrmacht army and various kreigsmarine that were captured and sent to pow camps in the US choosing to stay after the war Camp Douglas outside of Douglas Wyoming
So one Frontier Days the Nazi Party of the US from Ohama got to march in the parade and it was ever so awkward as they come down getting booed
But I heard old men making fun of them in Deutsche with how they were faking it and other comments like how they are not worthy of the Fatherland and so on
It was the only time I heard them praise what was while making fun of people
So, Tom Clancy's Elite Squad YouTube account gave this answer:
In the intro video in Tom Clancy’s Elite Squad, UMBRA’s propaganda posters feature a raised fist. This logo was chosen because it is a universal symbol of resistance—any resemblance to images associated with the Black Lives Matter movement is coincidental. Tom Clancy’s Elite Squad is a work of fiction and does not portray any real world events. However, we have listened to players who have pointed out similarities, and to avoid any confusion we have decided to modify the trailer in the next update.
You called the evil organization Umbra. As in the darkest part of a shadow.
"They have been hacking social media to discredit world leaders and rally people to their cause".
"Playing by the rules will not win this fight", so is cool that governments decide to have a black ops squad with dangerous criminals on it to murder protest leaders.
But Ubisoft is apolitical now. For some reason.
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KetarCome on upstairswe're having a partyRegistered Userregular
Did you know that Steam will let you ignore every game from a particular publisher, and all it takes is a single click once you're on their page?
Yeah, me neither. Just discovered that a few minutes ago. Pretty cool.
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OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
So, Tom Clancy's Elite Squad YouTube account gave this answer:
In the intro video in Tom Clancy’s Elite Squad, UMBRA’s propaganda posters feature a raised fist. This logo was chosen because it is a universal symbol of resistance—any resemblance to images associated with the Black Lives Matter movement is coincidental. Tom Clancy’s Elite Squad is a work of fiction and does not portray any real world events. However, we have listened to players who have pointed out similarities, and to avoid any confusion we have decided to modify the trailer in the next update.
You called the evil organization Umbra. As in the darkest part of a shadow.
"They have been hacking social media to discredit world leaders and rally people to their cause".
"Playing by the rules will not win this fight", so is cool that governments decide to have a black ops squad with dangerous criminals on it to murder protest leaders.
But Ubisoft is apolitical now. For some reason.
also even if your list was not correct, a raised fist is not a universal symbol of resistance, it has some pretty specific connotations!
OrcaAlso known as EspressosaurusWrexRegistered Userregular
Because I'm an ignorant white-enough-passing dumbass, I didn't know that until the current police riots started.
But Ubisoft is a huge company so how the hell did that get through all those people? Oh, it's a bunch of toxic racist fucks at the top? You don't say...
the ACLU is like the platonic ideal of having a mind so open it falls out your head
they've done a lot of good stuff, but it's hard to not look at an organization as at the very least a potential enemy when they argue in court to allow nazis to march in a town that is home to a whole bunch of holocaust survivors
I'm sure they'd also fight for the right for holocaust survivors to march in a town with a whole bunch of nazis.
The ACLU is not / should not be there to promote a particular "side" - they are there to support people's rights, whether you agree with the particular expression of those rights or not.
Are you seriously advocating free speech for Nazis in 2020
Absolutely, forever, until we are are all fucking drowned for good
the ACLU is like the platonic ideal of having a mind so open it falls out your head
they've done a lot of good stuff, but it's hard to not look at an organization as at the very least a potential enemy when they argue in court to allow nazis to march in a town that is home to a whole bunch of holocaust survivors
I'm sure they'd also fight for the right for holocaust survivors to march in a town with a whole bunch of nazis.
The ACLU is not / should not be there to promote a particular "side" - they are there to support people's rights, whether you agree with the particular expression of those rights or not.
so i can absolutely understand why you're taking this position, the idea that the government stepping on anyone's speech, even nazis', is dangerous for everyone is widespread as hell, but it doesn't really hold up. it makes sense on its face, if the government can tell nazi protesters to fuck off that makes it easier for them to hypothetically do the same to anti-war protesters or what have you, but the whole thing is predicated on the concept that everyone's speech is equally valid and that just isn't the case
if we treat a fascist's statement of intent about creating an ethnically and ideologically pure state by whatever means necessary the same as an antifascist's statement of intent about preventing the fascist from doing that by whatever means necessary, we've already given up ground to the fascists. that's pretty much saying that there's no moral or practical difference between offensive speech or action and defensive speech or action. it's the same argument that nazis and their fence-sitting collaborators use to say well the antifascists aren't shy about beating down their enemies using physical violence, so who's the real fascist
it's maybe a coherent position to say that fascist groups should still have the opportunity to argue their case in the legal system (or at least it would be if the legal system wasn't massively weighed down in their favor in the first place), but when the ACLU considers it their duty to help the fascists do that, they're either being fellow travelers or rubes
e: a way more succinct way of putting it would be that holocaust survivors don't pose anything like the threat to nazis as vice versa, they're not going around saying "it is our intention to murder you and everyone like you," so it would basically be meaningless for the ACLU to fight in court in favor of a holocaust survivor march in a nazi town
Are you seriously advocating free speech for Nazis in 2020
I'm advocating for an equal application of the law. I think that's important. Binds but does not protect etc. If the law needs to be changed, then that's a different discussion.
If the ACLU has limited resources, and I'm sure they do, then how they choose to spend those resources is a valid question.
The right wing can effectively hack the law to vile ends. I do not believe that handing them even more suppressive laws (or interpretations thereof) is going to work. They will be abused to silence the rest of us.
So, asking if I'm seriously advocating for free speech for Nazis in 2020 is akin to asking me if I'm seriously advocating for free healthcare for paedophiles in 2020 because I support a nationalised health system. I mean, I suppose so, but I'm not sure that really conveys the underlying argument all that well.
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According to the article it’s common practice for events that require police escort but don’t meet with the city first. I have no idea if that’s unusual but even if it is they DID try to meet with the city. They requested a zoom meeting from COVID concerns instead of an in-person and the city just stopped responding.
Ww1 was the most interesting the genre got in the last 5 years
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Yeah it's incredibly stupid and mean-spirited, and one phonecall to the ACLU will make it go away pretty much instantly.
But they are undercut at every turn by well-entrenched oppressors at the top
For example!
yeah this is another standard operating procedure thing. they constantly do shit they know is illegal, but a) it doesn't matter if something's illegal if the person you're doing it to doesn't have the time or money to fight it, or even the basic ability to call a lawyer and ask "hey is this on the up and up," and b) the courts uphold illegal shit the cops do all the time, so fuck it, might as well give it a shot
hitting hot metal with hammers
this is a fascinating twitter account, it's like a blow by blow of the nyt making things worse in real time
hitting hot metal with hammers
Even if the rich person gets ordered to pay the defendants legal fees because the judge has a shred of decency it almost certainly isn't enough to actually inconvenience the rich person and the poor person still spent probably months of their time fighting a pointless battle.
it definitely does go without saying unfortunately, which is why it's worth saying at every opportunity and as loudly as possible
it's infuriating how commonplace police retribution/intimidation is even in this day and age
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
You mean the union busting centrists?
they've done a lot of good stuff, but it's hard to not look at an organization as at the very least a potential enemy when they argue in court to allow nazis to march in a town that is home to a whole bunch of holocaust survivors
hitting hot metal with hammers
i mean it's not like they haven't enabled fascists in the 21st century
it's also something they've never walked back on, and it's informed a lot of the shit they've done since
i also don't think there should be a statute of limitations on criticizing an organization for giving fascists material aid
hitting hot metal with hammers
I'm sure they'd also fight for the right for holocaust survivors to march in a town with a whole bunch of nazis.
The ACLU is not / should not be there to promote a particular "side" - they are there to support people's rights, whether you agree with the particular expression of those rights or not.
Yeah but the thing is they have a limited number of resources and there's always gonna be more work to do than they have time or manpower
What cases don't get taken up by them when they need to make room on their docket to defend a racist
It's a question of priorities and theirs are bad
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I remember it specifically as the day I stopped giving them money
Are you seriously advocating free speech for Nazis in 2020
Didn't the ACLU alter their policies a couple years back to specifically not do the defending-your-right-to-say-it thing for both nazis and also armed groups in general because of how many people stopped donating to them?
♪One of these things is not like the other♪
And if it is assault, how is Nazi rhetoric not.
"i disapprove of what you say (about killing me), but I will defend to the death (at your hands) your right to say it"
Ok I will spoiler this for reasons
So one Frontier Days the Nazi Party of the US from Ohama got to march in the parade and it was ever so awkward as they come down getting booed
But I heard old men making fun of them in Deutsche with how they were faking it and other comments like how they are not worthy of the Fatherland and so on
I'm hoping they continue the season and just wildcat strike several more times. String them along so they can't just cancel the season.
But Ubisoft is apolitical now. For some reason.
Yeah, me neither. Just discovered that a few minutes ago. Pretty cool.
Now that's a fun tip I didn't know. Just did the same.
also even if your list was not correct, a raised fist is not a universal symbol of resistance, it has some pretty specific connotations!
hitting hot metal with hammers
But Ubisoft is a huge company so how the hell did that get through all those people? Oh, it's a bunch of toxic racist fucks at the top? You don't say...
hitting hot metal with hammers
Absolutely, forever, until we are are all fucking drowned for good
so i can absolutely understand why you're taking this position, the idea that the government stepping on anyone's speech, even nazis', is dangerous for everyone is widespread as hell, but it doesn't really hold up. it makes sense on its face, if the government can tell nazi protesters to fuck off that makes it easier for them to hypothetically do the same to anti-war protesters or what have you, but the whole thing is predicated on the concept that everyone's speech is equally valid and that just isn't the case
if we treat a fascist's statement of intent about creating an ethnically and ideologically pure state by whatever means necessary the same as an antifascist's statement of intent about preventing the fascist from doing that by whatever means necessary, we've already given up ground to the fascists. that's pretty much saying that there's no moral or practical difference between offensive speech or action and defensive speech or action. it's the same argument that nazis and their fence-sitting collaborators use to say well the antifascists aren't shy about beating down their enemies using physical violence, so who's the real fascist
it's maybe a coherent position to say that fascist groups should still have the opportunity to argue their case in the legal system (or at least it would be if the legal system wasn't massively weighed down in their favor in the first place), but when the ACLU considers it their duty to help the fascists do that, they're either being fellow travelers or rubes
e: a way more succinct way of putting it would be that holocaust survivors don't pose anything like the threat to nazis as vice versa, they're not going around saying "it is our intention to murder you and everyone like you," so it would basically be meaningless for the ACLU to fight in court in favor of a holocaust survivor march in a nazi town
hitting hot metal with hammers
I'm advocating for an equal application of the law. I think that's important. Binds but does not protect etc. If the law needs to be changed, then that's a different discussion.
If the ACLU has limited resources, and I'm sure they do, then how they choose to spend those resources is a valid question.
The right wing can effectively hack the law to vile ends. I do not believe that handing them even more suppressive laws (or interpretations thereof) is going to work. They will be abused to silence the rest of us.
So, asking if I'm seriously advocating for free speech for Nazis in 2020 is akin to asking me if I'm seriously advocating for free healthcare for paedophiles in 2020 because I support a nationalised health system. I mean, I suppose so, but I'm not sure that really conveys the underlying argument all that well.