Fwiw, I saw some tweets the other day that that Anoncat account had tweeted some disinformation (I think it was Emily Gorchinski who called it out, who seems to be more reputable), so definitely double check sourcing where you can if they post stuff without attribution
I had a whole thing in my head about how that Biden sucks, but he's like chemotherapy in that it's going to feel excruciatingly bad, won't cure the disease and may not even work at all; but the cancer is going to kill us for sure, so even getting a four year reprieve is worth a shot.
I can agree with the logic of that, but it's still just so deflating and hollow.
But My stomach is in knots, thinking about how many more good people are going to be hurt, directly and indirectly, before things start getting better.
But My stomach is in knots, thinking about how many more good people are going to be hurt, directly and indirectly, before things start getting better.
For what it's worth, I think there's more ways to affect the electoral system than just voting. That's the simplest one, that both political parties message around, but it's not the end of the story. Though I believe that politics is (generally) bottom up, not top down.
The goal is to move the electorate, so that the politicians must follow to stay elected. Conservative megadonors have been doing this shit with well funded organizations for decades, all across society. To great success, and I'm not aware of any similar effort on the left.
We do not have to let that go unanswered. Figure out how to move dipshit voters from "I want both sides to compromise" to supporting and demanding a wealth tax and universal healthcare, or whatever other goal you have.
The way these trackers measure "most liberal" is by measuring which members of Congress they most frequently vote alongside and cosponsor bills with. The actual content of those bills doesn't matter. If a significant majority of Dems in the Senate vote for (to pick a totally hypothetical example) expanded government surveillance powers, voting for that bill marks a Democrat as "more liberal" if one or more of its cosponsors was also a Democrat. It's no surprise that most Democratic Presidential nominees who've come out of Congress have qualified for "most liberal" status when "most liberal" really means "most likely to vote in lockstep with the party".
Very much interrelated, but easily divisible into two discrete threads. It would make it easier to keep track of BLM news and info. The only time this thread seems to explode is when someone comes in here to remind us to vote blue no matter who. We then descend into a multi-page politicking affair, which we then repeat every 10 days or so
Edit: anyway, I’m not a mod, I’d just really like it those that want to have the conversation would do it, that’s all
Huh, footage of the wisconsin terrorist beating up girls is floating around facebook. Not sure if real.
internet sleuthing as always should be treated with the utmost suspicion even though the twitter clouseau brigade actually got it right for once recently, but also it doesn't stretch credibility all that much to believe that someone who put himself in a situation where he'd get to shoot some people would also be down with beating people up without provocation
lying awake staring at the ceiling last night i found myself thinking about the whole kenosha situation. murderer is 17, which means he probably was 13 for the last election. by all accounts his mother is a real true believer fascist who gleefully foisted that shit on her son, which her driving him to the protest so he could do some brownshirting pretty much bears that out. he also appears to have been an enthusiastic police cargo cultist, and i don't think it's that far a jump from "the police are justified in killing anyone they want" to "i want to be police, so i'm justified in killing these people i forced a confrontation with." it's worrying as hell to me that there's likely a lot more young people like this one, who started getting politically aware during the current administration and have bought into all that shit, and in any case don't really know anything else
i don't know, this is just another item on the pile of shit that's making our general situation feel so precarious. in any case i ain't been sleeping particularly well lately!
I had a whole thing in my head about how that Biden sucks, but he's like chemotherapy in that it's going to feel excruciatingly bad, won't cure the disease and may not even work at all; but the cancer is going to kill us for sure, so even getting a four year reprieve is worth a shot.
I can agree with the logic of that, but it's still just so deflating and hollow.
Here's the analogy I've gone with - America has cancer and needs chemo and everything else you just said - but Biden isn't chemotherapy because he's not likely to help us with what ails us.
He's a tourniquet, because we fucked around with a wheat thresher and found out and now we just need to live long enough to make it to our next bout of chemo.
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Huh, footage of the wisconsin terrorist beating up girls is floating around facebook. Not sure if real.
internet sleuthing as always should be treated with the utmost suspicion even though the twitter clouseau brigade actually got it right for once recently, but also it doesn't stretch credibility all that much to believe that someone who put himself in a situation where he'd get to shoot some people would also be down with beating people up without provocation
lying awake staring at the ceiling last night i found myself thinking about the whole kenosha situation. murderer is 17, which means he probably was 13 for the last election. by all accounts his mother is a real true believer fascist who gleefully foisted that shit on her son, which her driving him to the protest so he could do some brownshirting pretty much bears that out. he also appears to have been an enthusiastic police cargo cultist, and i don't think it's that far a jump from "the police are justified in killing anyone they want" to "i want to be police, so i'm justified in killing these people i forced a confrontation with." it's worrying as hell to me that there's likely a lot more young people like this one, who started getting politically aware during the current administration and have bought into all that shit, and in any case don't really know anything else
i don't know, this is just another item on the pile of shit that's making our general situation feel so precarious. in any case i ain't been sleeping particularly well lately!
If it makes you happy, statistically, there's a lot more young people who are utterly done with the system like you, especially because they are getting stomped by it, than there are of this fascist chud.
I had a whole thing in my head about how that Biden sucks, but he's like chemotherapy in that it's going to feel excruciatingly bad, won't cure the disease and may not even work at all; but the cancer is going to kill us for sure, so even getting a four year reprieve is worth a shot.
I can agree with the logic of that, but it's still just so deflating and hollow.
Here's the analogy I've gone with - America has cancer and needs chemo and everything else you just said - but Biden isn't chemotherapy because he's not likely to help us with what ails us.
He's a tourniquet, because we fucked around with a wheat thresher and found out and now we just need to live long enough to make it to our next bout of chemo.
Huh, footage of the wisconsin terrorist beating up girls is floating around facebook. Not sure if real.
internet sleuthing as always should be treated with the utmost suspicion even though the twitter clouseau brigade actually got it right for once recently, but also it doesn't stretch credibility all that much to believe that someone who put himself in a situation where he'd get to shoot some people would also be down with beating people up without provocation
lying awake staring at the ceiling last night i found myself thinking about the whole kenosha situation. murderer is 17, which means he probably was 13 for the last election. by all accounts his mother is a real true believer fascist who gleefully foisted that shit on her son, which her driving him to the protest so he could do some brownshirting pretty much bears that out. he also appears to have been an enthusiastic police cargo cultist, and i don't think it's that far a jump from "the police are justified in killing anyone they want" to "i want to be police, so i'm justified in killing these people i forced a confrontation with." it's worrying as hell to me that there's likely a lot more young people like this one, who started getting politically aware during the current administration and have bought into all that shit, and in any case don't really know anything else
i don't know, this is just another item on the pile of shit that's making our general situation feel so precarious. in any case i ain't been sleeping particularly well lately!
If it makes you happy, statistically, there's a lot more young people who are utterly done with the system like you, especially because they are getting stomped by it, than there are of this fascist chud.
Biden gives us a fighting chance. Verses years and years of triage with the current guy.
Huh, footage of the wisconsin terrorist beating up girls is floating around facebook. Not sure if real.
internet sleuthing as always should be treated with the utmost suspicion even though the twitter clouseau brigade actually got it right for once recently, but also it doesn't stretch credibility all that much to believe that someone who put himself in a situation where he'd get to shoot some people would also be down with beating people up without provocation
lying awake staring at the ceiling last night i found myself thinking about the whole kenosha situation. murderer is 17, which means he probably was 13 for the last election. by all accounts his mother is a real true believer fascist who gleefully foisted that shit on her son, which her driving him to the protest so he could do some brownshirting pretty much bears that out. he also appears to have been an enthusiastic police cargo cultist, and i don't think it's that far a jump from "the police are justified in killing anyone they want" to "i want to be police, so i'm justified in killing these people i forced a confrontation with." it's worrying as hell to me that there's likely a lot more young people like this one, who started getting politically aware during the current administration and have bought into all that shit, and in any case don't really know anything else
i don't know, this is just another item on the pile of shit that's making our general situation feel so precarious. in any case i ain't been sleeping particularly well lately!
If it makes you happy, statistically, there's a lot more young people who are utterly done with the system like you, especially because they are getting stomped by it, than there are of this fascist chud.
numbers definitely aren't nothing, and if that's true it's definitely encouraging, but even going beyond a which-side-will-win type argument, how do you deal with probably millions of young brainwashed fascists if the good guys do end up winning? we just circle back around to young men being extremely dangerous, which we're not even willing to talk about as a society, let alone try to come up with a solution
do we know yet what happened in portland last night? i've heard the guy that got killed was maybe a brownshirt who was pepper spraying people from the bed of a truck but haven't seen much concrete about it
But My stomach is in knots, thinking about how many more good people are going to be hurt, directly and indirectly, before things start getting better.
Yeah, tomorrow is going to be bad.
I'm depressed that we say this every night and we're almost never wrong.
HERESY aside, this is a bad analogy, because the Emperor actually is the best guy to sit on the Golden Throne, solely due to his psychic might powering the Astronomicon.
A better analogy for the Democrats of M41 to use would be trying to replace one of the High Lords of Terra. Maybe one of the useless ones, like the Paternoval Envoy or the Lord-Commander Militant of the Imperial Guard. Just to drive home how ineffective at actual change they are.
Also they would oppose Guilliman's reforms!
I'm sorry, I'm gonna stop acting like a huge nerd now.
do we know yet what happened in portland last night? i've heard the guy that got killed was maybe a brownshirt who was pepper spraying people from the bed of a truck but haven't seen much concrete about it
Non ideal video allegedly of the incident going around, certainly appears as though two individuals were shouting at eachother mutually approached and exchanged mace and pistol fire
Follow up to earlier. Racist shitbag owner of RSL is selling his stakes in not only RSL, but also the affiliated NWSL and USL (women's div 1, men's div 2) soccer teams.
Announcement makes it sound like it's his choice, but I expect that's just cover.
Man. Civil War II: Now with Nazis was not on my 30s bingo card.
Theres a credible argument that if Germany hadnt fallen to fascism we might have instead.
there's a credible argument that we both did anyway
I mean after WW2 we had a fairly large explosion in civil and labor rights.
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Back before the American Civil War, the South largely held the opinion that even if the North was becoming increasingly anti-slavery, they were largely incapable of taking action on the matter and so they felt relatively safe.
There are fairly convincing arguments that armed abolitionists attacks, and learning that they received funding from free state and abolitionist figures in the North, spooked the South and made them skittish enough to move forward with secession.
Basically once they realized that abolitionists had guns, they freaked the fuck out.
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I can agree with the logic of that, but it's still just so deflating and hollow.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
Some right-wing chud attacked someone in Portland with mace, and the person he attacked happened to be armed with a gun. And shot the fucker.
But My stomach is in knots, thinking about how many more good people are going to be hurt, directly and indirectly, before things start getting better.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
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Yeah, tomorrow is going to be bad.
The goal is to move the electorate, so that the politicians must follow to stay elected. Conservative megadonors have been doing this shit with well funded organizations for decades, all across society. To great success, and I'm not aware of any similar effort on the left.
We do not have to let that go unanswered. Figure out how to move dipshit voters from "I want both sides to compromise" to supporting and demanding a wealth tax and universal healthcare, or whatever other goal you have.
The way these trackers measure "most liberal" is by measuring which members of Congress they most frequently vote alongside and cosponsor bills with. The actual content of those bills doesn't matter. If a significant majority of Dems in the Senate vote for (to pick a totally hypothetical example) expanded government surveillance powers, voting for that bill marks a Democrat as "more liberal" if one or more of its cosponsors was also a Democrat. It's no surprise that most Democratic Presidential nominees who've come out of Congress have qualified for "most liberal" status when "most liberal" really means "most likely to vote in lockstep with the party".
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better
bit.ly/2XQM1ke
But on the other the two, ultimately, are not as severable as we want them to be and ultimately are constituent parts of the same system at play.
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Edit: anyway, I’m not a mod, I’d just really like it those that want to have the conversation would do it, that’s all
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I wonder where that's coming from.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/williesworld/article/Willie-Brown-Burning-and-looting-in-the-name-of-15523349.php
internet sleuthing as always should be treated with the utmost suspicion even though the twitter clouseau brigade actually got it right for once recently, but also it doesn't stretch credibility all that much to believe that someone who put himself in a situation where he'd get to shoot some people would also be down with beating people up without provocation
lying awake staring at the ceiling last night i found myself thinking about the whole kenosha situation. murderer is 17, which means he probably was 13 for the last election. by all accounts his mother is a real true believer fascist who gleefully foisted that shit on her son, which her driving him to the protest so he could do some brownshirting pretty much bears that out. he also appears to have been an enthusiastic police cargo cultist, and i don't think it's that far a jump from "the police are justified in killing anyone they want" to "i want to be police, so i'm justified in killing these people i forced a confrontation with." it's worrying as hell to me that there's likely a lot more young people like this one, who started getting politically aware during the current administration and have bought into all that shit, and in any case don't really know anything else
i don't know, this is just another item on the pile of shit that's making our general situation feel so precarious. in any case i ain't been sleeping particularly well lately!
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Here's the analogy I've gone with - America has cancer and needs chemo and everything else you just said - but Biden isn't chemotherapy because he's not likely to help us with what ails us.
He's a tourniquet, because we fucked around with a wheat thresher and found out and now we just need to live long enough to make it to our next bout of chemo.
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If it makes you happy, statistically, there's a lot more young people who are utterly done with the system like you, especially because they are getting stomped by it, than there are of this fascist chud.
biden will strictly speaking be "better" but it is not at all clear that he will be meaningfully better
if there's an argument for voting for him it's that he might bow to pressure from protest and mass unrest more easily than trump
but then you might also make the argument that if he wins a lot of people are gonna go home and sit down and take a bunch of air out of the balloon
which, to that i'd say that anyone who'd be happy as a clam with a biden presidency wasn't meaningfully helping anyway so who gives a shit
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So gonna use this.
Biden gives us a fighting chance. Verses years and years of triage with the current guy.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16534
numbers definitely aren't nothing, and if that's true it's definitely encouraging, but even going beyond a which-side-will-win type argument, how do you deal with probably millions of young brainwashed fascists if the good guys do end up winning? we just circle back around to young men being extremely dangerous, which we're not even willing to talk about as a society, let alone try to come up with a solution
hitting hot metal with hammers
If anything it'd push people to continue. How else would we drag him to the left?
The only people who'd go home are those that never stood up in the first place.
hitting hot metal with hammers
I'm depressed that we say this every night and we're almost never wrong.
HERESY aside, this is a bad analogy, because the Emperor actually is the best guy to sit on the Golden Throne, solely due to his psychic might powering the Astronomicon.
A better analogy for the Democrats of M41 to use would be trying to replace one of the High Lords of Terra. Maybe one of the useless ones, like the Paternoval Envoy or the Lord-Commander Militant of the Imperial Guard. Just to drive home how ineffective at actual change they are.
Also they would oppose Guilliman's reforms!
I'm sorry, I'm gonna stop acting like a huge nerd now.
Non ideal video allegedly of the incident going around, certainly appears as though two individuals were shouting at eachother mutually approached and exchanged mace and pistol fire
You love to see it
it's called the xfl
It is morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep their money
i don't know if the words in the chorus are true, but it's a good sentiment in any case
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They cry about those too.
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Follow up to earlier. Racist shitbag owner of RSL is selling his stakes in not only RSL, but also the affiliated NWSL and USL (women's div 1, men's div 2) soccer teams.
Announcement makes it sound like it's his choice, but I expect that's just cover.
At the rate we are going that's gonna be the Free Space in the center
Theres a credible argument that if Germany hadnt fallen to fascism we might have instead.
there's a credible argument that we both did anyway
I mean after WW2 we had a fairly large explosion in civil and labor rights.
There are fairly convincing arguments that armed abolitionists attacks, and learning that they received funding from free state and abolitionist figures in the North, spooked the South and made them skittish enough to move forward with secession.
Basically once they realized that abolitionists had guns, they freaked the fuck out.