I'm anticipating a bunch of 3 second reactions from a variety of people during this thing where they go, "Well yeah Vince is huge! He's larger than life!"
And then staring at the camera, thinking that excuses all the bad shit the interviewer just asked about.
Brennan Williams (Who was a youtuber/streamer before he was a wrestler):
Paige has been going off on this for hours, she's still streaming right now, been talking about it all night. Some choice quotes: (from Fightful and WrestlingNews)
"There may be a time where I have to stop streaming. I'll have to walk away. If I have to leave, we have to make today and Saturday fucking crazy. I've honestly gotten to the point where I cannot deal with this company anymore. Now I have to make a very important decision. I'm fucking tired, man. I broke my fucking neck twice, twice for this company. Over fucking worked. I broke my fucking neck twice for this company. They don't realize that this community isn't about subs. We build a community and family where this is an escape for a lot of people, including myself. I can't wrestle anymore. I was worked so hard in WWE that I can't wrestle anymore because my neck is fucked. My whole dreams got taken away. I had to have something that fulfilled that huge fucking void that I lost with wrestling. I couldn't wrestle anymore, something I lived and breathed since I was a fetus, and it got ripped away from me. I had to find something that I could fill a little bit of that and Twitch was a wonderful thing for me. It's such a wonderful place for me"
"I understand if they're like, 'you're wrestling every day and doing shows every day,' but I'm an injured wrestler. I get used for media stuff, sometimes, but at the end of the day, I'm in my house going fucking crazy and I need something to keep me sane. Twitch was my escape. Right now, I'm just sitting on my fucking ass. People think I should be thankful that I still have a fucking job, and I am, but it doesn't mean I should be treated like fucking shit. I had my neck taken away from me twice. You can't take away my Twitch too. I'm gonna keep streaming, we'll see how that goes," she said. "I haven't been used on TV in a year. This is our fun and where we can be ourselves. That's why we're here and on Twitch. We also have a wonderful community. What's the pocket change we're getting compared to the billions these people are getting? We're not hurting anybody or doing anything harmful, we're just having a good time. People are on YouTube, have merchandise, wrestling schools, and Twitch gets taken down?"
Then she said, “you know what, I’m gonna start looking more into unionization. I’ve been learning about it by a unionization lawyer. This is bigger than Twitch, it’s about taking f***ing control over your own life and not being controlled by anyone. I gave 10 years man. I poured my f***ing heart and soul into this. I had a bad couple of years like every motherf***er has. I’m not the only one who is f***ing controversial around here. I’m not the only one. It’s f***ing louder when it comes to me because I’m a f***ing female. I hate using that face because I’m a woman but it’s because I’m a woman and women don’t usually stand up for themselves.”
I've always loved the "spin the wheel to choose the match" gimmick, and after looking hard at that wheel I really want to see some of those matches in NXT. Coal Miner's Glove on a pole match? Put it in as the finale for the next Dusty Rhodes classic. Casket match? I don't care who does it, but I need more casket matches in my life. Boiler room brawl? Ciampa and Gargano, let them go to war again.
The haunted house match may not have been great, but it was silly and I liked it. I can totally buy Dexter Lumis as a Jason Voorhees/Michael Myers style unstoppable killing machine. Throwing a zombie at Cameron Grimes was just icing on the cake.
Bring back the Tuxedo Coal Miner's Glove on a Pole Steel Cage Loser Leaves Town match
Just go ahead and inject that nonsense STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS!
Seriously, a fun match. I don't really like tuxedo matches (they remind me too much of the Bra and Panties matches of the 90s/00s), but even a silly gimmick like that worked here.
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I've always loved the "spin the wheel to choose the match" gimmick, and after looking hard at that wheel I really want to see some of those matches in NXT. Coal Miner's Glove on a pole match? Put it in as the finale for the next Dusty Rhodes classic. Casket match? I don't care who does it, but I need more casket matches in my life. Boiler room brawl? Ciampa and Gargano, let them go to war again.
The haunted house match may not have been great, but it was silly and I liked it. I can totally buy Dexter Lumis as a Jason Voorhees/Michael Myers style unstoppable killing machine. Throwing a zombie at Cameron Grimes was just icing on the cake.
Bring back the Tuxedo Coal Miner's Glove on a Pole Steel Cage Loser Leaves Town match
Just go ahead and inject that nonsense STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS!
Seriously, a fun match. I don't really like tuxedo matches (they remind me too much of the Bra and Panties matches of the 90s/00s), but even a silly gimmick like that worked here.
The brilliance of the match is that all of the stipulations make sense in the context of their feud. Dibiase was a weaselly heel, so the cage was to keep him from running away from Duggan, or his cronies from interfering. Dibiase was famous for his loaded black glove, hence the coal miner's glove. Duggan had beaten Dibiase in a "Best Dressed" contest, after which Dibiase beat down Duggan, so the tuxedos. And after all of this the promotion was clearly not big enough for the both of them, so loser leaves town.
A truly amazing piece of booking and a hell of a match, too.
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Brennan Williams (Who was a youtuber/streamer before he was a wrestler):
Paige has been going off on this for hours, she's still streaming right now, been talking about it all night. Some choice quotes: (from Fightful and WrestlingNews)
"There may be a time where I have to stop streaming. I'll have to walk away. If I have to leave, we have to make today and Saturday fucking crazy. I've honestly gotten to the point where I cannot deal with this company anymore. Now I have to make a very important decision. I'm fucking tired, man. I broke my fucking neck twice, twice for this company. Over fucking worked. I broke my fucking neck twice for this company. They don't realize that this community isn't about subs. We build a community and family where this is an escape for a lot of people, including myself. I can't wrestle anymore. I was worked so hard in WWE that I can't wrestle anymore because my neck is fucked. My whole dreams got taken away. I had to have something that fulfilled that huge fucking void that I lost with wrestling. I couldn't wrestle anymore, something I lived and breathed since I was a fetus, and it got ripped away from me. I had to find something that I could fill a little bit of that and Twitch was a wonderful thing for me. It's such a wonderful place for me"
"I understand if they're like, 'you're wrestling every day and doing shows every day,' but I'm an injured wrestler. I get used for media stuff, sometimes, but at the end of the day, I'm in my house going fucking crazy and I need something to keep me sane. Twitch was my escape. Right now, I'm just sitting on my fucking ass. People think I should be thankful that I still have a fucking job, and I am, but it doesn't mean I should be treated like fucking shit. I had my neck taken away from me twice. You can't take away my Twitch too. I'm gonna keep streaming, we'll see how that goes," she said. "I haven't been used on TV in a year. This is our fun and where we can be ourselves. That's why we're here and on Twitch. We also have a wonderful community. What's the pocket change we're getting compared to the billions these people are getting? We're not hurting anybody or doing anything harmful, we're just having a good time. People are on YouTube, have merchandise, wrestling schools, and Twitch gets taken down?"
Then she said, “you know what, I’m gonna start looking more into unionization. I’ve been learning about it by a unionization lawyer. This is bigger than Twitch, it’s about taking f***ing control over your own life and not being controlled by anyone. I gave 10 years man. I poured my f***ing heart and soul into this. I had a bad couple of years like every motherf***er has. I’m not the only one who is f***ing controversial around here. I’m not the only one. It’s f***ing louder when it comes to me because I’m a f***ing female. I hate using that face because I’m a woman but it’s because I’m a woman and women don’t usually stand up for themselves.”
I don't understand how the labor laws are SO BAD that all these "independent contractors" can't just tell the WWE to go fuck themselves w/r/t whatever else they do outside of WWE shows? Like, companies don't own their EMPLOYEES free time, independent contractors are even less constrained by the sheer fact they are subcontractors, the company has literally zero say legally over ANYTHING they do when not on company property whilst they're being paid by the company to work.
Brennan Williams (Who was a youtuber/streamer before he was a wrestler):
Paige has been going off on this for hours, she's still streaming right now, been talking about it all night. Some choice quotes: (from Fightful and WrestlingNews)
"There may be a time where I have to stop streaming. I'll have to walk away. If I have to leave, we have to make today and Saturday fucking crazy. I've honestly gotten to the point where I cannot deal with this company anymore. Now I have to make a very important decision. I'm fucking tired, man. I broke my fucking neck twice, twice for this company. Over fucking worked. I broke my fucking neck twice for this company. They don't realize that this community isn't about subs. We build a community and family where this is an escape for a lot of people, including myself. I can't wrestle anymore. I was worked so hard in WWE that I can't wrestle anymore because my neck is fucked. My whole dreams got taken away. I had to have something that fulfilled that huge fucking void that I lost with wrestling. I couldn't wrestle anymore, something I lived and breathed since I was a fetus, and it got ripped away from me. I had to find something that I could fill a little bit of that and Twitch was a wonderful thing for me. It's such a wonderful place for me"
"I understand if they're like, 'you're wrestling every day and doing shows every day,' but I'm an injured wrestler. I get used for media stuff, sometimes, but at the end of the day, I'm in my house going fucking crazy and I need something to keep me sane. Twitch was my escape. Right now, I'm just sitting on my fucking ass. People think I should be thankful that I still have a fucking job, and I am, but it doesn't mean I should be treated like fucking shit. I had my neck taken away from me twice. You can't take away my Twitch too. I'm gonna keep streaming, we'll see how that goes," she said. "I haven't been used on TV in a year. This is our fun and where we can be ourselves. That's why we're here and on Twitch. We also have a wonderful community. What's the pocket change we're getting compared to the billions these people are getting? We're not hurting anybody or doing anything harmful, we're just having a good time. People are on YouTube, have merchandise, wrestling schools, and Twitch gets taken down?"
Then she said, “you know what, I’m gonna start looking more into unionization. I’ve been learning about it by a unionization lawyer. This is bigger than Twitch, it’s about taking f***ing control over your own life and not being controlled by anyone. I gave 10 years man. I poured my f***ing heart and soul into this. I had a bad couple of years like every motherf***er has. I’m not the only one who is f***ing controversial around here. I’m not the only one. It’s f***ing louder when it comes to me because I’m a f***ing female. I hate using that face because I’m a woman but it’s because I’m a woman and women don’t usually stand up for themselves.”
I don't understand how the labor laws are SO BAD that all these "independent contractors" can't just tell the WWE to go fuck themselves w/r/t whatever else they do outside of WWE shows? Like, companies don't own their EMPLOYEES free time, independent contractors are even less constrained by the sheer fact they are subcontractors, the company has literally zero say legally over ANYTHING they do when not on company property whilst they're being paid by the company to work.
They probably can tell WWE to go fuck themselves and win any lawsuit, but the biggest factor is that WWE isn't just a job to most of the wrestlers, but their dream so they don't want to fight them.
You might keep your Twitch channel, but hope you enjoy losing every match for the rest of your time in WWE. Going through tables every week, probably being constantly embarrassed, figuratively and sometimes literally eating shit and kissing Vince's ass.
"We're going to let our most dangerous, sloppy workers do one of the roughest spots on you every week with no pay off in sight." Has to be one of the most blatant examples in recent times.
You might keep your Twitch channel, but hope you enjoy losing every match for the rest of your time in WWE. Going through tables every week, probably being constantly embarrassed, figuratively and sometimes literally eating shit and kissing Vince's ass.
Hell if they actually let you be on TV long enough to be put through a table, count your lucky stars.
"We're going to let our most dangerous, sloppy workers do one of the roughest spots on you every week with no pay off in sight." Has to be one of the most blatant examples in recent times.
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"We're going to let our most dangerous, sloppy workers do one of the roughest spots on you every week with no pay off in sight." Has to be one of the most blatant examples in recent times.
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There's been a recurring bit for the past 3 or 4 weeks where Nia Jax puts Lana through a table
"We're going to let our most dangerous, sloppy workers do one of the roughest spots on you every week with no pay off in sight." Has to be one of the most blatant examples in recent times.
Still better than having fart sound effects played over all your bits, like Natty suffered through years ago.
I don't think it is, no.
Nia Jax has habitually injured wrestlers and ended their careers. This is not hyperbole. I think she's done it at least once a year thus far, as recently as a couple months ago.
She's being used to punish Lana not only through risky spots and humiliation but by being in the ring with one of the most unsafe workers alive today.
I don't think we know enough about the situation to say they just rolled over
Also WWE gets away with this because of the cost that’s gonna take to fight them. Like cool even if you win the lawsuit, it’s after years of fighting and court cases and money, where you aren’t working during that time. I completely understand why someone wouldn’t do that.
Like the tables thing with Lana is pretty bad because she was hardly known as a hardcore style performer. It’s also predatory because it seems like Lana wants to be taken seriously as a wrestler so she probably doesn’t say a word because she thinks this is just paying dues or some bullshit.
If I was Paige after everything she’s given WWE I would just keep streaming. I don’t know if this is true but it’s rumored she’s making a about 60k a month on Twitch so that is probably more than she’s making from WWE. Only bad part would be losing any royalties and merch she has with them. Seeing her almost in tears in some clips was rough but I think she is close to telling them to get fucked.
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This is probably a dumb question but what are the risks for anyone who opts to stick with their Twitch channel over being a contractor for WWE? Are they gonna end up Rey Mysterio’d where their contract won’t expire until they do X number of shows, keeping them from working anywhere else?
at the very least they would probably be kept off shows until their contract ended and for many they love wrestling too much to just step back for a year +
This is probably a dumb question but what are the risks for anyone who opts to stick with their Twitch channel over being a contractor for WWE? Are they gonna end up Rey Mysterio’d where their contract won’t expire until they do X number of shows, keeping them from working anywhere else?
Probably, but also WWE changed contract language so that any revenue they make on Twitch would count against their downside, which means streaming wouldn’t make them extra money anymore.
They'd have to actually go take Twitch to court to divert that money to WWE over the actual streamer, though. It's another battle WWE won't actually fight, just like every other time Del Rio or anyone else called their bluff.
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WWE is already on thin ice with the status of their "independent contractors" since both Mysterio and Punk took them to court but do they get off the ice? Hell no! They hop up and down like a madman having a conniption fit.
Like the tables thing with Lana is pretty bad because she was hardly known as a hardcore style performer. It’s also predatory because it seems like Lana wants to be taken seriously as a wrestler so she probably doesn’t say a word because she thinks this is just paying dues or some bullshit.
If I was Paige after everything she’s given WWE I would just keep streaming. I don’t know if this is true but it’s rumored she’s making a about 60k a month on Twitch so that is probably more than she’s making from WWE. Only bad part would be losing any royalties and merch she has with them. Seeing her almost in tears in some clips was rough but I think she is close to telling them to get fucked.
$60k/month from Twitch?
Yeah, there's absolutely NO WAY the WWE is paying her $720k/annum...
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And then staring at the camera, thinking that excuses all the bad shit the interviewer just asked about.
In more exciting news AJ Gray has a rough first round match in the NGI. If I have the day off I'm going to marathon that and Full Gear.
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Meltzer says it’s straight up so the lawsuit comes up less in google searches
Just go ahead and inject that nonsense STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS!
Seriously, a fun match. I don't really like tuxedo matches (they remind me too much of the Bra and Panties matches of the 90s/00s), but even a silly gimmick like that worked here.
The brilliance of the match is that all of the stipulations make sense in the context of their feud. Dibiase was a weaselly heel, so the cage was to keep him from running away from Duggan, or his cronies from interfering. Dibiase was famous for his loaded black glove, hence the coal miner's glove. Duggan had beaten Dibiase in a "Best Dressed" contest, after which Dibiase beat down Duggan, so the tuxedos. And after all of this the promotion was clearly not big enough for the both of them, so loser leaves town.
A truly amazing piece of booking and a hell of a match, too.
I don't understand how the labor laws are SO BAD that all these "independent contractors" can't just tell the WWE to go fuck themselves w/r/t whatever else they do outside of WWE shows? Like, companies don't own their EMPLOYEES free time, independent contractors are even less constrained by the sheer fact they are subcontractors, the company has literally zero say legally over ANYTHING they do when not on company property whilst they're being paid by the company to work.
They probably can tell WWE to go fuck themselves and win any lawsuit, but the biggest factor is that WWE isn't just a job to most of the wrestlers, but their dream so they don't want to fight them.
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I'm waiting for Lana to just voluntarily jump on to the table at this point.
Hell if they actually let you be on TV long enough to be put through a table, count your lucky stars.
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I don't think we know enough about the situation to say they just rolled over
There's been a recurring bit for the past 3 or 4 weeks where Nia Jax puts Lana through a table
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I don't think it is, no.
Nia Jax has habitually injured wrestlers and ended their careers. This is not hyperbole. I think she's done it at least once a year thus far, as recently as a couple months ago.
She's being used to punish Lana not only through risky spots and humiliation but by being in the ring with one of the most unsafe workers alive today.
Also WWE gets away with this because of the cost that’s gonna take to fight them. Like cool even if you win the lawsuit, it’s after years of fighting and court cases and money, where you aren’t working during that time. I completely understand why someone wouldn’t do that.
The villains here are WWE, not the wrestlers.
If I was Paige after everything she’s given WWE I would just keep streaming. I don’t know if this is true but it’s rumored she’s making a about 60k a month on Twitch so that is probably more than she’s making from WWE. Only bad part would be losing any royalties and merch she has with them. Seeing her almost in tears in some clips was rough but I think she is close to telling them to get fucked.
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Probably, but also WWE changed contract language so that any revenue they make on Twitch would count against their downside, which means streaming wouldn’t make them extra money anymore.
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$60k/month from Twitch?
Yeah, there's absolutely NO WAY the WWE is paying her $720k/annum...
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