I probably should've given up the hope of Texas not embarrassing me when the monkey thing first came out back in like June, huh?
You’ve been holding out on us for 5 months???
Probably earlier than that, whenever Jeff Banks actually got hired as part of Sark's staff the Pole Assassin and her monkey were well known message board fodder courtesy of the Aggies and Bama boards.
Sparty at #3 and Wake #9 just like we all expected
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Those rankings are dumb
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I saw this as an SEC/Bama homer.
That is a lot of SEC bias.
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Cincy being left out of the Top 4 is a huge schadenfreude hit, while also being intensely infuriating that the Committee continues to snub G5 teams, even G5 teams that are joining a Power 5 conference.
CFP chairman Gary Barta on ESPN: "The committee has great respect for Cincinnati. The win at Notre Dame was a really impressive win. ... Who else did they beat?"
LMAO, fuck this dude and this entire vapid exercise. :rotate:
I have really tried not to point out that Cincinnati had no hope of making the play-offs past the first time I posted it. It felt like I would just be rubbing salt in a wound. Completely predictable horseshit is still horseshit. Just make the play-offs P5 exclusive officially. At least own the fucking decision. Especially after last year where OSU got in after literally playing almost no one, and Notre Dame got in based solely on beating, and then losing to Clemson.
Eh, Cinci will move up at least 1 slot if they win out, there’s still a chance
But if 4 of the 5 teams ahead of them win out, yeah, they’re not getting in nor should they given the teams 3 of those 4 teams would be beating to get there
And it’s not just a G5 thing, look at Oklahoma and Wake
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Nice to see that Iowa is still ranked 2. Twice!
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Eh, Cinci will move up at least 1 slot if they win out, there’s still a chance
But if 4 of the 5 teams ahead of them win out, yeah, they’re not getting in nor should they given the teams 3 of those 4 teams would be beating to get there
I would have to look, but I am reasonably certain it is impossible for 4 of the 5 teams ahead of them to win out. At most 3 can unless I am missing something. I am still putting it at a zero percent chance they don't get snubbed.
Edit: Yeah I checked. OSU and MSU still have to play. If both Georgia and Alabama win out they meet in the championship match.
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Eh, Cinci will move up at least 1 slot if they win out, there’s still a chance
But if 4 of the 5 teams ahead of them win out, yeah, they’re not getting in nor should they given the teams 3 of those 4 teams would be beating to get there
I would have to look, but I am reasonably certain it is impossible for 4 of the 5 teams ahead of them to win out. At most 3 can unless I am missing something. I am still putting it at a zero percent chance they don't get snubbed.
Michigan State, Ohio, Alabama, and Georgia. Only two of those teams can win out.
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Yep sorry, I counted Georgia as a “win out” in my “Bama wins out” scenario cause a Georgia that is undefeated by the SECCG stays in regardless
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Eh, Cinci will move up at least 1 slot if they win out, there’s still a chance
But if 4 of the 5 teams ahead of them win out, yeah, they’re not getting in nor should they given the teams 3 of those 4 teams would be beating to get there
I would have to look, but I am reasonably certain it is impossible for 4 of the 5 teams ahead of them to win out. At most 3 can unless I am missing something. I am still putting it at a zero percent chance they don't get snubbed.
Edit: Yeah I checked. OSU and MSU still have to play. If both Georgia and Alabama win out they meet in the championship match.
Twitter detectives are also pointing out that the Committee did not rank SMU or Houston, the only two AAC teams ranked in the AP Top 25 that Cincy still has to play.
And while I think that might be a little too tinfoil-hat adjacent, it would not surprise me if the Committee intentionally snubbed two other G5 teams to continue fucking over another G5 team.
Every year starts with Bama/Georgia/OSU/Clemson* in by default unless they trip on their dicks (2 losses or getting beat by multiple scores by bad Iowa or regular Purdue)
The next teams up any given year are unblemished** SEC/B1G champ (other than the default teams above)/ND/Oklahoma
Then a perfect G5 team that people recognize as good from recent seasons is mixed in with the other unblemished conference champs that aren’t the teams above
*Clemson could lose this default position based on how bad their offense is and the uncertainty of what to do about QB lingering into next year
**blemishes apparently include being shut out for the first half against Kansas and not looking good against others
Sparty extremely lucky that they weren't ranked over Alabama. Because they get to play Purdue this week and we know how the Boilers feel about #2 teams.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Also in Tuesday night MACtion news, we are in serious danger of Eastern Michigan being bowl eligible again. Would be the third straight full season that they've qualified (didn't last year, but COVID year don't count) for a bowl. That is the hardest to win place in 1A so it's kind of amazing. Somebody should hire Chris Creighton.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Every year starts with Bama/Georgia/OSU/Clemson* in by default unless they trip on their dicks (2 losses or getting beat by multiple scores by bad Iowa or regular Purdue)
The next teams up any given year are unblemished** SEC/B1G champ (other than the default teams above)/ND/Oklahoma
Then a perfect G5 team that people recognize as good from recent seasons is mixed in with the other unblemished conference champs that aren’t the teams above
*Clemson could lose this default position based on how bad their offense is and the uncertainty of what to do about QB lingering into next year
**blemishes apparently include being shut out for the first half against Kansas and not looking good against others
Even with your list, which I think is overly optimistic, we have the problem that the G5 only has a chance in a year where everyone else fucks up. They can't be good enough to get in. Everyone else has to be bad enough to consider letting them get in. This means they don't have a spot in the play-offs. Which is fine, I guess. Just fucking say it though.
The play-offs committee guy stopped just short of stating it which is just obnoxious. Who have they played? The teams that will schedule them. The whole system is built around not scheduling any teams you think might beat you. This goes double for a G5 team. Beating them will not help your standings no matter how good they are, and losing to them can hurt you a lot.
All because no one takes them seriously. I just want them to drop the pretense and own what is happening. It is a pretty low bare minimum.
At this point I'm not bothering to watch any games because fuck if I'm boosting the TV ratings when everything is even more made up than it is was under the earlier systems, bad as they were
Every year starts with Bama/Georgia/OSU/Clemson* in by default unless they trip on their dicks (2 losses or getting beat by multiple scores by bad Iowa or regular Purdue)
The next teams up any given year are unblemished** SEC/B1G champ (other than the default teams above)/ND/Oklahoma
Then a perfect G5 team that people recognize as good from recent seasons is mixed in with the other unblemished conference champs that aren’t the teams above
*Clemson could lose this default position based on how bad their offense is and the uncertainty of what to do about QB lingering into next year
**blemishes apparently include being shut out for the first half against Kansas and not looking good against others
Even with your list, which I think is overly optimistic, we have the problem that the G5 only has a chance in a year where everyone else fucks up. They can't be good enough to get in. Everyone else has to be bad enough to consider letting them get in. This means they don't have a spot in the play-offs. Which is fine, I guess. Just fucking say it though.
The play-offs committee guy stopped just short of stating it which is just obnoxious. Who have they played? The teams that will schedule them. The whole system is built around not scheduling any teams you think might beat you. This goes double for a G5 team. Beating them will not help your standings no matter how good they are, and losing to them can hurt you a lot.
All because no one takes them seriously. I just want them to drop the pretense and own what is happening. It is a pretty low bare minimum.
This is why a lot of folks want chaos so they'll expand the playoffs. The fact that they don't have 1 spot from each conference has always been dumb to me. Even if they go rank 1/2 bye, 3-5 and 4-6 matchup would be way better than what we have.
That said I want Oregon to thread the needle between winning the pac-12 and going to the rose bowl but NOT making the playoff because dear god they are not good enough to beat bama/Georgia. Not sure about sparty. Maybe we'll find out in said rose bowl.
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Snipped the CFP and AP ranking from the ESPN site for an easy side-by-side comparison, spoilered for big:
I guess I will start with...
What I Agree With
-Oregon over Ohio State; head-to-head should matter
-Notre Dame at #10; it's fair and arguably you could throw Baylor and Oklahoma State in that spot as the 5th best one-loss team and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
What I Disagree With
-Oklahoma at #8; should be #4. I also think that Oklahoma probably got more screwed over than Cincinnati; they are one of the only three teams in the rankings that have played nine games (undefeated, at that) and they have a bye this weekend which opens the door for teams to jump them as they idle, effectively losing a precious turn out of the 5-6 total turns.
-Cincinnati at #6; should be (at least) #5, then Oregon at #6 and Ohio State at #7
-Any inclusion of a three-loss team in the ranking at this part of the season. Wisconsin lost badly at a neutral site and at home, despite turning it around recently. Mississippi State lost to a .500 LSU team and didn't show up for Alabama. There are too many undefeated to one-loss teams that should be included, namely Houston and UTSA.
What I Don't Understand
Clearly, the Committee doesn't care about the efforts made by any of the leading G5 teams yet outside of Cincinnati they collectively voted in Fresno State and San Diego State in. Meanwhile, you have Houston, UTSA, Northern Illinois, and Louisiana who are undefeated in their respective conferences. Don't really get what separates the Mountain West apart from the other G5 conferences in the eyes of the Committee.
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You’ve been holding out on us for 5 months???
Probably earlier than that, whenever Jeff Banks actually got hired as part of Sark's staff the Pole Assassin and her monkey were well known message board fodder courtesy of the Aggies and Bama boards.
https://defector.com/the-case-of-pole-assassin-and-the-monkey-child-halloween-incident/
Top 4 are Georgia, Alabama, Michigan State, and Oregon.
That is a lot of SEC bias.
The Bama loss wouldn’t look like an “off day” but being beat by a better team, knocking them out
LMAO, fuck this dude and this entire vapid exercise. :rotate:
Nah, just the usual Blue Chip Ratio+(sp+/fpi)+quality losses+sec/b1g bias+weird transitive property+head-to-head
It’s a perfectly clear algo that doesn’t change based on people’s weird personal logic and traditions with college football
But if 4 of the 5 teams ahead of them win out, yeah, they’re not getting in nor should they given the teams 3 of those 4 teams would be beating to get there
I would have to look, but I am reasonably certain it is impossible for 4 of the 5 teams ahead of them to win out. At most 3 can unless I am missing something. I am still putting it at a zero percent chance they don't get snubbed.
Edit: Yeah I checked. OSU and MSU still have to play. If both Georgia and Alabama win out they meet in the championship match.
Michigan State, Ohio, Alabama, and Georgia. Only two of those teams can win out.
Oh yeah. If that happens Georgia at most falls to 3 or 4.
Twitter detectives are also pointing out that the Committee did not rank SMU or Houston, the only two AAC teams ranked in the AP Top 25 that Cincy still has to play.
And while I think that might be a little too tinfoil-hat adjacent, it would not surprise me if the Committee intentionally snubbed two other G5 teams to continue fucking over another G5 team.
Every year starts with Bama/Georgia/OSU/Clemson* in by default unless they trip on their dicks (2 losses or getting beat by multiple scores by bad Iowa or regular Purdue)
The next teams up any given year are unblemished** SEC/B1G champ (other than the default teams above)/ND/Oklahoma
Then a perfect G5 team that people recognize as good from recent seasons is mixed in with the other unblemished conference champs that aren’t the teams above
*Clemson could lose this default position based on how bad their offense is and the uncertainty of what to do about QB lingering into next year
**blemishes apparently include being shut out for the first half against Kansas and not looking good against others
Even with your list, which I think is overly optimistic, we have the problem that the G5 only has a chance in a year where everyone else fucks up. They can't be good enough to get in. Everyone else has to be bad enough to consider letting them get in. This means they don't have a spot in the play-offs. Which is fine, I guess. Just fucking say it though.
The play-offs committee guy stopped just short of stating it which is just obnoxious. Who have they played? The teams that will schedule them. The whole system is built around not scheduling any teams you think might beat you. This goes double for a G5 team. Beating them will not help your standings no matter how good they are, and losing to them can hurt you a lot.
All because no one takes them seriously. I just want them to drop the pretense and own what is happening. It is a pretty low bare minimum.
A Nielsen family? Surely you can't be serious.
This is why a lot of folks want chaos so they'll expand the playoffs. The fact that they don't have 1 spot from each conference has always been dumb to me. Even if they go rank 1/2 bye, 3-5 and 4-6 matchup would be way better than what we have.
Would be nice if all teams had some on the field way to guarantee participation, no matter how unlikely.
I guess I will start with...
What I Agree With
-Oregon over Ohio State; head-to-head should matter
-Notre Dame at #10; it's fair and arguably you could throw Baylor and Oklahoma State in that spot as the 5th best one-loss team and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
What I Disagree With
-Oklahoma at #8; should be #4. I also think that Oklahoma probably got more screwed over than Cincinnati; they are one of the only three teams in the rankings that have played nine games (undefeated, at that) and they have a bye this weekend which opens the door for teams to jump them as they idle, effectively losing a precious turn out of the 5-6 total turns.
-Cincinnati at #6; should be (at least) #5, then Oregon at #6 and Ohio State at #7
-Any inclusion of a three-loss team in the ranking at this part of the season. Wisconsin lost badly at a neutral site and at home, despite turning it around recently. Mississippi State lost to a .500 LSU team and didn't show up for Alabama. There are too many undefeated to one-loss teams that should be included, namely Houston and UTSA.
What I Don't Understand
Clearly, the Committee doesn't care about the efforts made by any of the leading G5 teams yet outside of Cincinnati they collectively voted in Fresno State and San Diego State in. Meanwhile, you have Houston, UTSA, Northern Illinois, and Louisiana who are undefeated in their respective conferences. Don't really get what separates the Mountain West apart from the other G5 conferences in the eyes of the Committee.
That last part was very sarcastic