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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Nightcrawler was so good. It's a movie I kind of want to rewatch, but also really don't because of how unsettling it is. Also had a fantastic score, if I remember correctly.

    Nightcrawler is all the proof you need that Jake Gyllenhaal is legit a fantastic fucking actor. His character throughout the movie is deeply unsettling to watch at every turn.

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  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    What if they aren't fading from existence, but just being phased into their proper new divergent timeline.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    What if they aren't fading from existence, but just being phased into their proper new divergent timeline.

    They are explicitly fading from existence.

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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    edited August 21
    shryke wrote: »
    Nightcrawler was so good. It's a movie I kind of want to rewatch, but also really don't because of how unsettling it is. Also had a fantastic score, if I remember correctly.

    Nightcrawler is all the proof you need that Jake Gyllenhaal is legit a fantastic fucking actor. His character throughout the movie is deeply unsettling to watch at every turn.

    Gyllenhaal is what made Nightcrawler great. End of story. He killed that role.

    New movie called Spree gave me some of the same vibes that I got from Nightcrawler. Dude who plays Steve Harrington in Stranger Things has the lead in it and I didn't even realize it was him until halfway through the movie. It has a bit more of a low-budget feel than Nightcrawler, but still evokes lots of the same emotions just with social media in place of journalism. And he acted the hell out of it, imo.

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  • RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    Ya nightcrawler was pretty creepy all because of the main actor.

  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    What if they aren't fading from existence, but just being phased into their proper new divergent timeline.

    They are explicitly fading from existence.

    From their current existence, what if they are reappearing in another timeline at the same time.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    What if they aren't fading from existence, but just being phased into their proper new divergent timeline.

    They are explicitly fading from existence.

    From their current existence, what if they are reappearing in another timeline at the same time.

    In both cases they don’t exist in the other timeline, hence why they disappear.

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Hey, @Atomika if you needed some extra audio for your, I'm sure continuing efforts, fan editing, might I suggest:

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    Hey, Atomika if you needed some extra audio for your, I'm sure continuing efforts, fan editing, might I suggest:

    Jeez, that's an Ab1. My lowest note is a C2 (and I sing pretty low!), and that's 2 whole steps below it.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited August 22
    I regularly mixed up Ethan Hawke and Guy Pearce in the late 90s/2000s. And a few times I confused Jake Gyllenhaal and Joaquin Phoenix but eventually I got those two settled in my head.

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    That’s Bill Pullman and Jeff Daniels, for me

    And sometimes Bill Sinise and Gary Paxton

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  • CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    edited August 22
    So this tweet came across my timeline

    Delete one of these actors from history. picturesOf(Brad Pit, Tom Cruise, Russell Crowe, Christian Bale)
    My initial reaction is strongly to get rid of Bale, and most of the discussion is between Bale and Crowe

    Slightly cheeky reasoning for voting off Bale over Crowe: Based on the actors performance I'd rather watch Gladiator and Nice Guys over just about anything in Bale's resume. People are going to yell about the The Dark Knight trilogy but very little of what's great about those is Bale. He's fine but I'm way more interested in the villains, you could find someone to give us an equally good Bruce but Ledger and Hardy are irreplaceable in their roles. Losing Reign of Fire hurts (gimme all the dragons) but I gotta do it for Maximus.


    More personal reason: The energy Bale brings to a lot of his performances feels very similar to me and I don't click with it. To me his Bruce Wayne feels really close to his Alfred Borden which feels close to his Irving Rosenfeld. There's more of his filmography I need to see but he's hard for me to engage with.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I rewatched the '92 Dracula and my lord, what a glorious mess of a film. Gorgeous sets and costumes, some amazing visuals, some ridiculous visuals, the hammiest acting this side of a thespian deli, and whatever the fuck Keanu Reeves was trying to do. It is just *chef's kiss*.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Easily Christian Bale

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  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I rewatched the '92 Dracula and my lord, what a glorious mess of a film. Gorgeous sets and costumes, some amazing visuals, some ridiculous visuals, the hammiest acting this side of a thespian deli, and whatever the fuck Keanu Reeves was trying to do. It is just *chef's kiss*.

    I can't handle Keanu in Dracula. He's just... yikes. The rest of the movie is kind of glorious in its excess, though. I do love how it tries to replicate the dreamlike quality of the horror scenes in the novel; it's pretty much the only adaptation which even tries.

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Bale, no contest.

    I know Crowe has become a meme because hur hur he can't sing (which I mean, he can't, but who cares) but either LA Confidential or The Insider or Master & Commander on their own would justify his existence to me, to say nothing of all three, or of all three plus The Nice Guys, The Quick and the Dead, etc.

    Watch LA Confidental and The Insider and Master & Commander.

    By contrast, I love American Psycho but Bale seemed to kind of forget how to have a sense of humor after that. I like him in the Batmans okay (but progressively less with each installment, as he seems to try less and less) but it's not a role he brings any kind of unique energy to the way Michael Keaton or even Affleck did. He's just generically smoldering and intense. I don't hate him or anything but it feels like he's wasted a lot of potential.

    Cruise and Pitt's filmographies are unimpeachable at this point, even if they made nothing but bad movies from now on. I wouldn't want to lose the stuff they've been in, and the performances they brought to those roles, for anything.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I rewatched the '92 Dracula and my lord, what a glorious mess of a film. Gorgeous sets and costumes, some amazing visuals, some ridiculous visuals, the hammiest acting this side of a thespian deli, and whatever the fuck Keanu Reeves was trying to do. It is just *chef's kiss*.

    I can't handle Keanu in Dracula. He's just... yikes. The rest of the movie is kind of glorious in its excess, though. I do love how it tries to replicate the dreamlike quality of the horror scenes in the novel; it's pretty much the only adaptation which even tries.

    Yeah, Coppola is definitely trying to do a thing. It doesn't work all the time, but it's definitely the most interesting Dracula movie.

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    Carpy wrote: »
    So this tweet came across my timeline

    Delete one of these actors from history. picturesOf(Brad Pit, Tom Cruise, Russell Crowe, Christian Bale)
    My initial reaction is strongly to get rid of Bale, and most of the discussion is between Bale and Crowe

    Slightly cheeky reasoning for voting off Bale over Crowe: Based on the actors performance I'd rather watch Gladiator and Nice Guys over just about anything in Bale's resume. People are going to yell about the The Dark Knight trilogy but very little of what's great about those is Bale. He's fine but I'm way more interested in the villains, you could find someone to give us an equally good Bruce but Ledger and Hardy are irreplaceable in their roles. Losing Reign of Fire hurts (gimme all the dragons) but I gotta do it for Maximus.


    More personal reason: The energy Bale brings to a lot of his performances feels very similar to me and I don't click with it. To me his Bruce Wayne feels really close to his Alfred Borden which feels close to his Irving Rosenfeld. There's more of his filmography I need to see but he's hard for me to engage with.

    Crowe by a landslide.

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  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Can I just pick to delete all 4?

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  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    Bale sticks thanks to Empire of the Sun. Also he still has some quality movies left in him.

    Sorry, Russell. I don't have much faith that you do.

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  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Let's make this actually hard

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    Samuel L Jackson
    James Earl Jones

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  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I rewatched the '92 Dracula and my lord, what a glorious mess of a film. Gorgeous sets and costumes, some amazing visuals, some ridiculous visuals, the hammiest acting this side of a thespian deli, and whatever the fuck Keanu Reeves was trying to do. It is just *chef's kiss*.

    I can't handle Keanu in Dracula. He's just... yikes. The rest of the movie is kind of glorious in its excess, though. I do love how it tries to replicate the dreamlike quality of the horror scenes in the novel; it's pretty much the only adaptation which even tries.

    Yeah, Coppola is definitely trying to do a thing. It doesn't work all the time, but it's definitely the most interesting Dracula movie.

    Most interesting, probably, even though I think most watchable goes to Hammer. Weirdly, I think my favorite Dracula movie is the Christopher Lee movie I have in my head; I think the Hammer movies are amazing at setting up a mood and an aesthetic, but I think they kind of disappoint in capitalizing on it, and Lee's dramatic flare and physicality both often feel strangely wasted.

    I want to love Lugosi in the role, but gat dayum is that movie a drag to watch, particularly with no real score. The man himself is mesmerizing, though.

    Nosferatu is, of course, is very special, and very strange, but even though its plot is a pretty straight lift of Dracula, Orlok really isn't a Dracula as we would recognize him.

  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Let's make this actually hard

    Tom Hanks
    Robin Williams
    Samuel L Jackson
    James Earl Jones

    Robin Williams for Patch Adams.

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited August 22
    Can I just pick to delete all 4?

    This seems kind of pointlessly mean-spirited.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Let's make this actually hard

    Tom Hanks
    Robin Williams
    Samuel L Jackson
    James Earl Jones

    Williams. Easy. His movies have aged the worst largely because they’re comedy. His non-comedies are great acting but losing those is easier than losing Darth Vader and everything Hanks has done and the best motherfucker in the town

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  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Can I just pick to delete all 4?

    This seems kind of pointlessly mean-spirited.

    I meant more in then I don't have to choose way, but I see how it wasn't worded the best

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Can I just pick to delete all 4?

    This seems kind of pointlessly mean-spirited.

    Also Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise have unimpeachable film histories.

    Interview with a vampire, a river runs through it, seven, fight club, snatch, spy game, oceans eleven, the assassination of Jessie James by the coward Robert ford, burn after reading... not sure any of these would be anywhere near the same without Pitt. And we would be worse off for it

    And I shouldn’t have to mention cruises filmography. Like. Could you imagine a different actor in Top Gun...

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    Michael Keaton as Maverick

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    The big thing about Cruise is that nothing from the last twenty years in his filmography really jumps out at me as being that great (maybe Edge of Tomorrow?), but his work in the 80s and 90s was extremely impressive.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    I forget when the broken top of Biff's cane came up, but it took, what, a week for Marty to start fading? Further, the contents of the picture faded and not the picture itself.
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I rewatched the '92 Dracula and my lord, what a glorious mess of a film. Gorgeous sets and costumes, some amazing visuals, some ridiculous visuals, the hammiest acting this side of a thespian deli, and whatever the fuck Keanu Reeves was trying to do. It is just *chef's kiss*.

    I can't handle Keanu in Dracula. He's just... yikes. The rest of the movie is kind of glorious in its excess, though. I do love how it tries to replicate the dreamlike quality of the horror scenes in the novel; it's pretty much the only adaptation which even tries.

    Yeah, Coppola is definitely trying to do a thing. It doesn't work all the time, but it's definitely the most interesting Dracula movie.

    Most interesting, probably, even though I think most watchable goes to Hammer. Weirdly, I think my favorite Dracula movie is the Christopher Lee movie I have in my head; I think the Hammer movies are amazing at setting up a mood and an aesthetic, but I think they kind of disappoint in capitalizing on it, and Lee's dramatic flare and physicality both often feel strangely wasted.

    I want to love Lugosi in the role, but gat dayum is that movie a drag to watch, particularly with no real score. The man himself is mesmerizing, though.

    Nosferatu is, of course, is very special, and very strange, but even though its plot is a pretty straight lift of Dracula, Orlok really isn't a Dracula as we would recognize him.

    Dracula is an odd film, but one bit that always stuck out to me is that, immediately after escaping months of torture and rape so severe it has turned the hair of a man in his twenties gray, Van Helsing sits down across from Jonathan and Mina in a public venue and casually accuses Jonathan of "committing infidelity" with Dracula's harem.

    Just... fuck you, asshole. His wife is right there and you know fucking well that vampires have crazy mind-control powers and that Jonathan was being raped and fed on for months. So to help the guy out, you frame the situation like he was willingly up there with Dracula's baby-eating death consorts. What the fuck is your problem, you old piece of shit? What in the world has Jonathan done to you that you've decided to spin his incredible will to live to get back to his wife like the guy was out having a grand time with a bunch of immortal ladies? Not to mention that casually leveling something like that against somebody in public can utterly destroy a person's life during that time.

    There's "I'm an eccentric doctor so I don't waste time with standard pleasantries", and then there's "I'm just a plain asshole who is basically lying to make you look like shit in front of the woman you love". That scene always makes me wish when of the vampires got Helsing just because the guy is such a slimebag.

  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    The big thing about Cruise is that nothing from the last twenty years in his filmography really jumps out at me as being that great (maybe Edge of Tomorrow?), but his work in the 80s and 90s was extremely impressive.

    Minority Report
    Collateral
    his cameo in Tropic Thunder
    Oblivion
    Edge of Tomorrow

    are all movies I wouldn't want to lose. I don't care what anyone else thinks about Oblivion. The Mission: Impossible movies are all above average and enjoyable aside from 2, and while he may have been wrong for the part I enjoyed Jack Reacher.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited August 22
    I enjoyed Oblivion a ton, Edge of Tomorrow is the one where I don't get the interest. At all. The "jackets" are terrible and look horribly awkward and stupid and the movie wastes something like half the runtime setting up the premise. The whole "romance" sub plot feels terribly forced and stilted as well. Just... why? Could Blunt seriously not be allowed just be a badass soldier and instead had to be a love interest opposite a male lead? And somehow, despite having infinite retries, they're always in this big, absurd rush even after they find out they don't need to be, so they're still making stupid decisions despite having loads of time for planning.

    Case in point, getting the bad-o-tron detector. Not only is it really stupid that the general has decided to just toss the thing in safe, why the fuck would they bother to walk out with the damn thing? Get the damn code from the guy, retry, and just waltz in when he's not in the room, snag it, get the enemy location, and reset immediately. Then you can safely spend several resets planning something, doing recon flights, etc. Them running wildly out of the building makes no damn sense at all except to force the clumsy "we only get one shot now" sequence that turns it into a pretty plane-jane action film. And don't even get me started on how stupid it is that they're assaulting a beach filled with explosions and he drops his helmet, every single time. Even ignoring the endless unavoidable head wounds from shrapnel, you'd have so much grit in your eyes and mouth that it would be like tongue wrestling with Sandman inside a laundry machine. Fine, Hollywood just can't stand the idea of covering the face of a lead actor, but at least put some goggles on the poor idiot character.

    And everybody is running around in power armor and shooting... 5.56 ammo? From a plain infantry rifle strapped to the armor? Firing from tiny little box magazines? Are you kidding me? That is literally varmint ammo and everyone is fighting super-fast giant metal monsters made of death-whips. Load those suits up with something useful, like 50 cals feeding from belts with explosive armor-piercing rounds. Pretty sure the Geneva Conventions don't apply in this particular war, seeing as the aliens have eaten Geneva and most of the rest of Europe already.

    The whole movie is utterly mediocre in my book.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    That is certainly a take

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Except Bill Paxton, his enthusiastic character is great and I wish we'd gotten more screen time with him.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    I enjoyed Oblivion a ton, Edge of Tomorrow is the one where I don't get the interest. At all. The "jackets" are terrible and look horribly awkward and stupid and the movie wastes something like half the runtime setting up the premise. The whole "romance" sub plot feels terribly forced and stilted as well. Just... why? Could Blunt seriously not be allowed just be a badass soldier and instead had to be a love interest opposite a male lead? And somehow, despite having infinite retries, they're always in this big, absurd rush even after they find out they don't need to be, so they're still making stupid decisions despite having loads of time for planning.

    Case in point, getting the bad-o-tron detector. Not only is it really stupid that the general has decided to just toss the thing in safe, why the fuck would they bother to walk out with the damn thing? Get the damn code from the guy, retry, and just waltz in when he's not in the room, snag it, get the enemy location, and reset immediately. Then you can safely spend several resets planning something, doing recon flights, etc. Them running wildly out of the building makes no damn sense at all except to force the clumsy "we only get one shot now" sequence that turns it into a pretty plane-jane action film. And don't even get me started on how stupid it is that they're assaulting a beach filled with explosions and he drops his helmet, every single time. Even ignoring the endless unavoidable head wounds from shrapnel, you'd have so much grit in your eyes and mouth that it would be like tongue wrestling with Sandman inside a laundry machine. Fine, Hollywood just can't stand the idea of covering the face of a lead actor, but at least put some goggles on the poor idiot character.

    And everybody is running around in power armor and shooting... 5.56 ammo? From a plain infantry rifle strapped to the armor? Firing from tiny little box magazines? Are you kidding me? That is literally varmint ammo and everyone is fighting super-fast giant metal monsters made of death-whips. Load those suits up with something useful, like 50 cals feeding from belts with explosive armor-piercing rounds. Pretty sure the Geneva Conventions don't apply in this particular war, seeing as the aliens have eaten Geneva and most of the rest of Europe already.

    The whole movie is utterly mediocre in my book.

    This feels like the exact opposite. Oblivion is the forgettable generic sci-fi film of the two.

    I could go into more details but in the end I just deleted all that because none of it matters. It's not the point of the film. The movie doesn't waste it's runtime setting up the premise, that time is the point of the film. To get to know our characters and enjoy watching the whole thing unfold and how they grow closer. The silliness of the power armour, the hand-waveness of the time travel mechanics, that's all just in service to that.

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    People continue to forget that Robin Williams’ stand-up was hugely racist and homophobic

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    I was surprised by how much I enjoyed Hustlers. It's got a few great performances, a solid emotional core, and it pulls off a story about sexy strippers without ever once feeling like it's pandering to the male gaze. As far as good stripper movies go that I've actually seen, that's two for two.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Ketar wrote: »
    Burnage wrote: »
    The big thing about Cruise is that nothing from the last twenty years in his filmography really jumps out at me as being that great (maybe Edge of Tomorrow?), but his work in the 80s and 90s was extremely impressive.

    Minority Report
    Collateral
    his cameo in Tropic Thunder
    Oblivion
    Edge of Tomorrow

    are all movies I wouldn't want to lose. I don't care what anyone else thinks about Oblivion. The Mission: Impossible movies are all above average and enjoyable aside from 2, and while he may have been wrong for the part I enjoyed Jack Reacher.
    The first Jack Reacher is good. The second well... never go back

    Anyway even if you’re not thrilled at the movies Tom is making now. Tom is never lazy and is never bad in anything he does. Were I a casting director I would never be afraid to offer him a role. It wouldn’t even matter much what the role was. Do I need him to be a villain? 100%. The good guy? 100%. Does he need to have an accent or be crazy or be dumb or carry emotional scenes? Tom will give 100%. Is it a bit role in a comedy? Tom will give it 100%. He is one of the few actors that merely by being attached to a project I will give that project more credence.

    Add that on top of that you have the rest of his film history.

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  • RingoRingo HE KEEPS REPEATING THE LINE I'M GONNA CRY BLEASE LET HIM LIVE YOU MADE ME WATCH SO MUCH KISSING IN THIS FILM LET INIGO LIVERegistered User regular
    It's a toss up between Bale and Pitt for me, and in the end I think I'd rather ditch Pitt as I haven't seen, nor been interested in seeing, some of his more lauded work. In my book, Ocean's Eleven is strong enough to stand without him, and as much as I was wowed by Fight Club at the time, I don't think I'd mind living in a world where that movie tanked

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  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    I can't think of a Tom Cruise movie I've actually seen all the way through and the Scientology looniness ensures I have no desire to. I'd easily drop him out of the 4. I actually like Bale the most out of all of them.

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