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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular


    If you don't already follow Sam Neil you totally should, his twitter is full of the best off kilter singing and skits.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Another thing that can help with the blues is your family.

    Unrelated, I saw The Nightingale (2018) this weekend.

    One review described it as 'flat' and I think that's a good word for it. Never had Australia felt so claustrophobic on film.

    MichaelLC on
  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Master and Commander is up for streaming on Prime. Just in case anyone needed to know that.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Master and Commander is up for streaming on Prime. Just in case anyone needed to know that.

    Well I have my Friday night figured out

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Master and Commander is up for streaming on Prime. Just in case anyone needed to know that.

    To get y'all in the mood:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dmWAve3Pvk

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Apparently it made only 70 million over its budget, so they dumped the notions for sequels.

    Definitely something that could do with a modern streaming series, though. Dunno how much they could save on expenses these days by not shooting in the open ocean, but the original film refit an entire old-school sailing ship to fill the role of the Surprise. They also did most of the shooting actually out at sea, which is no end of expense for safety and conditions and whatnot.

    I love the shit out of the film, but I dunno how much modern Western audiences would be interested in seeing a Master and Commander series with the British Empire in its prime of fucking over and/or murdering everything it could reach with a boat.

  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Master and Commander is up for streaming on Prime. Just in case anyone needed to know that.

    I used some xmas money to get all of Black Sails on BluRay

    Tons of old timey ship action and meaningful glances between repressed Englishmen

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
    -Indiana Solo, runner of blades
  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    I love Bttf3 but for different reasons than the first 2. The third one is less about time travel shenanigans and more about these two characters we’ve come to know and love. Doc especially gets more depth and I love it. Doc gon’ a courtin’ is adorable.

  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    webguy20 wrote: »
    For me the BttF is 1, 3 and then 2. I love the dumb cowboy time travel movie. One is still head and shoulders above the other two though.

    100% agree that BttF 3 is definitely better than 2.

    Not to say that 2 was terrible but to me 3 was a lot more enjoyable from a character perspective.

  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Master and Commander is up for streaming on Prime. Just in case anyone needed to know that.

    I used some xmas money to get all of Black Sails on BluRay

    Tons of old timey ship action and meaningful glances between repressed Englishmen

    Black Sails was a blast. The only thing I didn't like was how quickly I blew through it.

  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Rewatched the Back to the Future trilogy over the last couple of days. Nothing really left to be said except superlatives. Brilliant and timeless. I needed a pick-me-up and they're just the job.

    I think every movie after the first was worse than the last. 1 > 2 > 3.

    1 was a fun and relatively tight time travel story, going back in time and trying not to mess up time too much before finding a way to get back. 2 went crazy with future stuff and Biff stuff and revisiting stuff from the first movie. 3 was a dumb time travel cowboy movie.

    I guess that stuff was before my time, though, so maybe I don't have the nostalgia for it that some other people do.

    I don't think it's fair to chalk it up to nostalgia. I think 1 is damn near perfect, which made 2, at the time, kind of a letdown. With 3 fast on its heels release wise, it was just the middle one for a long time. I know I didn't appreciate it until I got the trilogy as a gift and watched all the extras. Revisiting the original was awesome, the special effects on the hoverboards were fantastic, Oh La La? Oh La La?! Tom Wilson got to play every end of a complete asshole across time and space. It's really well made, and really only suffers when you can see the stitching where they grafted new character traits onto Marty to give him a trilogy arc that wasn't there to start.

    3 is more of a mood. It's great, but it leaves a lot of energy behind at the drive in theater. I think it's easily the weakest of the 3, which is still pretty damn good.

  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    I can’t believe I’m saying this because it’s not really my bag but there’s not nearly enough man on man action in Black Sails.
    There are hints that it goes on, sure. Flashbacks of importance to major characters, for example. A pair of sailors blowing off work to go visit the “fuck tent” in a place where there are no women. But aside from that it’s positively prudish when it comes to male homosexuality.

    Meanwhile there are multiple lesbian liaisons on screen.

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
    -Indiana Solo, runner of blades
  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    Jon Favreau isn't perfect, Iron Man is as generic as they come, but Favreau and Filoni together handling the movies would be fine.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Jon Favreau isn't perfect, Iron Man is as generic as they come, but Favreau and Filoni together handling the movies would be fine.

    Iron Man is only generic in as much as basically every MCU movie made since 2007 has basically trying to be its own version of it. When it came out, it was interesting.

    Fencingsax on
  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Reading Anthony Beevor's recent history about Operation Market Garden has made me want to see A Bridge Too Far again. It's not on Netflix, unfortunately, though it's been on TV at odds hours of late. I might have to get the Blu-Ray.

    Anyway, if you haven't seen it it's probably the best big all-star WWII movie ever made. It's an incredible piece of work with an absurd amount of money thrown at recreating a titanic military operation. Melancholic where The Longest Day is triumphant, witty and exciting where Midway is dull and plodding, realistic where Where Eagles Dare is ludicrous (but very fun).

  • Snake GandhiSnake Gandhi Des Moines, IARegistered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    I can’t believe I’m saying this because it’s not really my bag but there’s not nearly enough man on man action in Black Sails.
    There are hints that it goes on, sure. Flashbacks of importance to major characters, for example. A pair of sailors blowing off work to go visit the “fuck tent” in a place where there are no women. But aside from that it’s positively prudish when it comes to male homosexuality.

    Meanwhile there are multiple lesbian liaisons on screen.
    That's kind of all mainstream media sadly. (At least here in America). Even your "adult" shows like GoT or The Boyz are way more comfortable with female nudity and homosexuality than the male versions. Full frontal female nudity is lovingly displayed at length while you're lucky to get a second or two glance at a dong.

    It's an annoying double standard. I mean, I'm a mostly hetero male, so I can appreciate some well done female nudity but hows about we equal things up some huh? Let's get those dicks out.

  • N1tSt4lkerN1tSt4lker Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    I can’t believe I’m saying this because it’s not really my bag but there’s not nearly enough man on man action in Black Sails.
    There are hints that it goes on, sure. Flashbacks of importance to major characters, for example. A pair of sailors blowing off work to go visit the “fuck tent” in a place where there are no women. But aside from that it’s positively prudish when it comes to male homosexuality.

    Meanwhile there are multiple lesbian liaisons on screen.
    That's kind of all mainstream media sadly. (At least here in America). Even your "adult" shows like GoT or The Boyz are way more comfortable with female nudity and homosexuality than the male versions. Full frontal female nudity is lovingly displayed at length while you're lucky to get a second or two glance at a dong.

    It's an annoying double standard. I mean, I'm a mostly hetero male, so I can appreciate some well done female nudity but hows about we equal things up some huh? Let's get those dicks out.

    Part of that, as I understand it, is the ratings system. It's a lot easier to finagle through with female nudity than male. Aside from just the regular social bias towards "stuff white men like is what we see most."

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Oh hey we're on 99 pages. Anyone got a brilliant idea for a new thread OP? If no one else gets in touch I'll make one about my favourite war movies, and I'm a 45 year-old straight white guy so you know that'll be like a slow conversation with your tedious dad.

    Only you can save yourselves from this terrible fate!

  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Apparently it made only 70 million over its budget, so they dumped the notions for sequels.

    Definitely something that could do with a modern streaming series, though. Dunno how much they could save on expenses these days by not shooting in the open ocean, but the original film refit an entire old-school sailing ship to fill the role of the Surprise. They also did most of the shooting actually out at sea, which is no end of expense for safety and conditions and whatnot.

    I love the shit out of the film, but I dunno how much modern Western audiences would be interested in seeing a Master and Commander series with the British Empire in its prime of fucking over and/or murdering everything it could reach with a boat.

    Them could use the Wall of Awesome Screens from The Mandalorian to do the ship scenes.

    Add for the theme, not a lot they can do about that. Maybe add a scrappy kid from India who makes the Captain question his beliefs.

  • AkilaeAkilae Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    Why did they never go anywhere with sequels? That movie was great fun.

    I don't know. With how sequels for various properties have been treated over the years, I'm fine with having the one perfect Master & Commander movie.

    That being said, I wouldn't mind a big screen adaptation of Desolation Island. A chase through the churning storm ridden seas of the South Atlantic, ended by a lucky shot that capsizes the pursuer? Yes, please.

  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Akilae wrote: »
    Orca wrote: »
    Why did they never go anywhere with sequels? That movie was great fun.

    I don't know. With how sequels for various properties have been treated over the years, I'm fine with having the one perfect Master & Commander movie.

    That being said, I wouldn't mind a big screen adaptation of Desolation Island. A chase through the churning storm ridden seas of the South Atlantic, ended by a lucky shot that capsizes the pursuer? Yes, please.

    The mix of "Holy shit, we're saved," and "The horrors that just befell our foe" ...

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Apparently it made only 70 million over its budget, so they dumped the notions for sequels.

    Definitely something that could do with a modern streaming series, though. Dunno how much they could save on expenses these days by not shooting in the open ocean, but the original film refit an entire old-school sailing ship to fill the role of the Surprise. They also did most of the shooting actually out at sea, which is no end of expense for safety and conditions and whatnot.

    I love the shit out of the film, but I dunno how much modern Western audiences would be interested in seeing a Master and Commander series with the British Empire in its prime of fucking over and/or murdering everything it could reach with a boat.

    Them could use the Wall of Awesome Screens from The Mandalorian to do the ship scenes.

    Add for the theme, not a lot they can do about that. Maybe add a scrappy kid from India who makes the Captain question his beliefs.

    The film had the doctor press the captain pretty hard about all the shit the British Navy fucked its own citizens over worth, and the film did not hesitate to show that Captain Aubrey was a through-and-through "for the glory of the Empire!" type willing to spill as much blood as necessary, friendly or hostile, to protect the Empire. He's got a boat crewed mostly by conscripted men thousands of miles and months of travel away from home, the food is trash, the water is unspeakable, the conditions are horrific, and what his big motivating line for the crew when training? Asking them if they want their children to be singing the French national anthem. Nevermind the Empire will happily let their kids starve to death and has taken away the fathers, brothers, and sons of so many families, the big thing is just... not be French.

    Thematically, you just can't peel the propaganda element out of those stories without making them different stories. The way the doctor hounds the captain about the shitty things he does to keep order is about as much as can be done, and the rest of it is painting the British Empire as collectively heroic because there was no other thinking allowed at the time.

    But on a technical level, yeah, I think they could accomplish a series/new film quite well and a lot more cheaply with modern tech. They did quite a lot with what the original had, but the tech has advanced enormously since then. I'd still want them to have an actual physical boat for the filming, though.

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Apparently it made only 70 million over its budget, so they dumped the notions for sequels.

    Definitely something that could do with a modern streaming series, though. Dunno how much they could save on expenses these days by not shooting in the open ocean, but the original film refit an entire old-school sailing ship to fill the role of the Surprise. They also did most of the shooting actually out at sea, which is no end of expense for safety and conditions and whatnot.

    I love the shit out of the film, but I dunno how much modern Western audiences would be interested in seeing a Master and Commander series with the British Empire in its prime of fucking over and/or murdering everything it could reach with a boat.

    Them could use the Wall of Awesome Screens from The Mandalorian to do the ship scenes.

    Add for the theme, not a lot they can do about that. Maybe add a scrappy kid from India who makes the Captain question his beliefs.

    The film had the doctor press the captain pretty hard about all the shit the British Navy fucked its own citizens over worth, and the film did not hesitate to show that Captain Aubrey was a through-and-through "for the glory of the Empire!" type willing to spill as much blood as necessary, friendly or hostile, to protect the Empire. He's got a boat crewed mostly by conscripted men thousands of miles and months of travel away from home, the food is trash, the water is unspeakable, the conditions are horrific, and what his big motivating line for the crew when training? Asking them if they want their children to be singing the French national anthem. Nevermind the Empire will happily let their kids starve to death and has taken away the fathers, brothers, and sons of so many families, the big thing is just... not be French.

    Thematically, you just can't peel the propaganda element out of those stories without making them different stories. The way the doctor hounds the captain about the shitty things he does to keep order is about as much as can be done, and the rest of it is painting the British Empire as collectively heroic because there was no other thinking allowed at the time.

    But on a technical level, yeah, I think they could accomplish a series/new film quite well and a lot more cheaply with modern tech. They did quite a lot with what the original had, but the tech has advanced enormously since then. I'd still want them to have an actual physical boat for the filming, though.

    The boat does not necessarily have to be on water, though, let alone the open ocean.

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    A bunch of the Aubrey/maturin books are largely set on land, including the second, Post Captain, which would have made for an excellent sequel movie, with those two characters precipitated into a Jane Austen romance. One of my favorite books ever. ALAS. :(

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Anyway, this conversation and the fact that I've been playing AC Unity got me to fire up the 2002 Count of Monte Cristo with Jim Caveziel, Guy Pearce, Richard Harris, and Luis Guzman joined by a fresh-faced unknown named Henry Cavill.

    Almost 20 years on, I still have a ton of affection for this movie. It wasn't made for a whole lot of money (no lavish interior sets, no big crowds of costumed extras aside from a couple scenes) and it doesn't really have any lofty cinematic ambitions. But it's just...really nice, and solidly-constructed, and wholesome. It feels like an old-school Hollywood adventure, like Captain Blood or The Sea Hawk, with a focus on giving you a likable lead, a lot of character actors inhabiting brief but memorable roles, a tight, workman-like script that puts its focus on clarity and giving everyone a few good lines, and some adventure and thrills.

    It's not really a whole lot like the novel, of course (which I also love), but it makes for a really pleasant, refreshing adventure story. It's one of those perfect things to put on the tv on a lazy Sunday afternoon.

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Back to the Future was a cute sendup about how older generations could be just as wild as modern kids, and the other two movies were basically experiments in cinematography

    Which is the most Bob Zemeckis thing possible.

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Anyway, this conversation and the fact that I've been playing AC Unity got me to fire up the 2002 Count of Monte Cristo with Jim Caveziel, Guy Pearce, Richard Harris, and Luis Guzman joined by a fresh-faced unknown named Henry Cavill.

    And teenage Henry Cavill was already built like a brick shithouse.

    No matter where you go...there you are.
    ~ Buckaroo Banzai
  • SchadenfreudeSchadenfreude Mean Mister Mustard Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Anyway, this conversation and the fact that I've been playing AC Unity got me to fire up the 2002 Count of Monte Cristo with Jim Caveziel, Guy Pearce, Richard Harris, and Luis Guzman joined by a fresh-faced unknown named Henry Cavill.

    And teenage Henry Cavill was already built like a brick shithouse.

    And yet I don't remember him being particularly massive in Stardust, though it's been some time since I've seen it and probably not since he became a name.

    Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Anyway, this conversation and the fact that I've been playing AC Unity got me to fire up the 2002 Count of Monte Cristo with Jim Caveziel, Guy Pearce, Richard Harris, and Luis Guzman joined by a fresh-faced unknown named Henry Cavill.

    Almost 20 years on, I still have a ton of affection for this movie. It wasn't made for a whole lot of money (no lavish interior sets, no big crowds of costumed extras aside from a couple scenes) and it doesn't really have any lofty cinematic ambitions. But it's just...really nice, and solidly-constructed, and wholesome. It feels like an old-school Hollywood adventure, like Captain Blood or The Sea Hawk, with a focus on giving you a likable lead, a lot of character actors inhabiting brief but memorable roles, a tight, workman-like script that puts its focus on clarity and giving everyone a few good lines, and some adventure and thrills.

    It's not really a whole lot like the novel, of course (which I also love), but it makes for a really pleasant, refreshing adventure story. It's one of those perfect things to put on the tv on a lazy Sunday afternoon.

    I legit love this movie. Cavaziel as the count is great in that duality role, but Luis Guzman is my favorite as his loyal servant.

    Plus slimy Guy Pearce, the only version anyone should want.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Anyway, this conversation and the fact that I've been playing AC Unity got me to fire up the 2002 Count of Monte Cristo with Jim Caveziel, Guy Pearce, Richard Harris, and Luis Guzman joined by a fresh-faced unknown named Henry Cavill.

    And teenage Henry Cavill was already built like a brick shithouse.

    And yet I don't remember him being particularly massive in Stardust, though it's been some time since I've seen it and probably not since he became a name.

    Is he in that?

    Because I don't think he's in that

  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Anyway, this conversation and the fact that I've been playing AC Unity got me to fire up the 2002 Count of Monte Cristo with Jim Caveziel, Guy Pearce, Richard Harris, and Luis Guzman joined by a fresh-faced unknown named Henry Cavill.

    And teenage Henry Cavill was already built like a brick shithouse.

    And yet I don't remember him being particularly massive in Stardust, though it's been some time since I've seen it and probably not since he became a name.

    Is he in that?

    Because I don't think he's in that

    It barely looks like him.
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  • joshgotrojoshgotro nah nahRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Anyway, this conversation and the fact that I've been playing AC Unity got me to fire up the 2002 Count of Monte Cristo with Jim Caveziel, Guy Pearce, Richard Harris, and Luis Guzman joined by a fresh-faced unknown named Henry Cavill.

    Almost 20 years on, I still have a ton of affection for this movie. It wasn't made for a whole lot of money (no lavish interior sets, no big crowds of costumed extras aside from a couple scenes) and it doesn't really have any lofty cinematic ambitions. But it's just...really nice, and solidly-constructed, and wholesome. It feels like an old-school Hollywood adventure, like Captain Blood or The Sea Hawk, with a focus on giving you a likable lead, a lot of character actors inhabiting brief but memorable roles, a tight, workman-like script that puts its focus on clarity and giving everyone a few good lines, and some adventure and thrills.

    It's not really a whole lot like the novel, of course (which I also love), but it makes for a really pleasant, refreshing adventure story. It's one of those perfect things to put on the tv on a lazy Sunday afternoon.

    I legit love this movie. Cavaziel as the count is great in that duality role, but Luis Guzman is my favorite as his loyal servant.

    Plus slimy Guy Pearce, the only version anyone should want.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Guy Pearce is one of the few actors I actually can take as a good guy or a bad guy. He does decent in either role.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Anyway, this conversation and the fact that I've been playing AC Unity got me to fire up the 2002 Count of Monte Cristo with Jim Caveziel, Guy Pearce, Richard Harris, and Luis Guzman joined by a fresh-faced unknown named Henry Cavill.

    Almost 20 years on, I still have a ton of affection for this movie. It wasn't made for a whole lot of money (no lavish interior sets, no big crowds of costumed extras aside from a couple scenes) and it doesn't really have any lofty cinematic ambitions. But it's just...really nice, and solidly-constructed, and wholesome. It feels like an old-school Hollywood adventure, like Captain Blood or The Sea Hawk, with a focus on giving you a likable lead, a lot of character actors inhabiting brief but memorable roles, a tight, workman-like script that puts its focus on clarity and giving everyone a few good lines, and some adventure and thrills.

    It's not really a whole lot like the novel, of course (which I also love), but it makes for a really pleasant, refreshing adventure story. It's one of those perfect things to put on the tv on a lazy Sunday afternoon.

    I know it gets a lot of hate from the book fans for not being like the novel but honestly, that's also a large part of why I like it. Dantes suffers greatly and loses much, but he doesn't lose everyone he cares about and ultimately grows enough to realize how worthless the vengeance he pursues is in the face of gaining back his family. And the actor for Dantes really does a great job with the role, doing a great job with naive young sailor with a bright future, the desperate prisoner, the cold Count, and Dantes beneath the Count's exterior, seething with long-lived well-planned hatred and vengeance.

    It's a revenge movie where my favorite parts are not the cathartic justice angle (though those moments are satisfying), but the moments where Dantes and his bloodthirsty plans are thwarted by simple human truths. The hero actually sort of loses, but it's the sort of loss I can appreciate.

  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    He is.

    This post was sponsored by Tom Cruise.
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Oh I thought you meant the lead. Wasn't that Daredevil's Charlie Cox?

  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    I swear on all my dead relatives, and even on the ones that aren't feeling too good, I am your man forever!

  • southwicksouthwick Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Guy Pearce is one of the few actors I actually can take as a good guy or a bad guy. He does decent in either role.

    Need to go watch "The Rover" again, thanks for the reminder.

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    I swear on all my dead relatives, and even on the ones that aren't feeling too good, I am your man forever!

    The movie does have some pretty great one-liners.

    Albert (having been kidnapped): Who are you? Why are you doing this?
    Pirate captain (casually): Because we are bad men and for the money.

    And there's honestly a whole pile of moments like that where a single line does a great job of capturing a character or scene.

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