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[League of Legends] Here comes the Smolder

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Meanwhile over in WR...

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    Woo! Turns out having systems to make the ranked grind VASTLY less miserable makes you want to actually play it and actually get somewhere.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    league's grind was less miserable before. they intentionally made it miserable, and they'll make WR's miserable too once it gets popular and established enough, it's good for metrics.

    nothing says playing jg like getting death threats for existing in the game. bot lane refuses to back off a 4v3 fight that i ping multiple times because kat doesn't want to waste roam, diana gets a triple kill, and it's my fault that diana's a horrible balanced champ that can ohko everyone with tank items and i guess i should expect a bomb to arrive at my house tomorrow.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    league's grind was less miserable before. they intentionally made it miserable, and they'll make WR's miserable too once it gets popular and established enough, it's good for metrics.

    nothing says playing jg like getting death threats for existing in the game. bot lane refuses to back off a 4v3 fight that i ping multiple times because kat doesn't want to waste roam, diana gets a triple kill, and it's my fault that diana's a horrible balanced champ that can ohko everyone with tank items and i guess i should expect a bomb to arrive at my house tomorrow.

    This is basically why I tend to ban Lee Sin when I'm jungling. Not because I can't deal with him (I just pick Quinn) but because team mates can't be trusted.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Ugh, I started yesterday with a 65% taliyah wr in like 25 games, it’s almost sub 40 rn.

    I haven’t had a single team that isn’t running it and flaming me for my trouble. Oh I’m not ganking Darius when you’re pushed all the way up into his tower? Wild, must be my fault when you get ganked 4 times in a row with literally no vision. Get killed twice in lane as rengar? Better spend 10 minutes stealing all my camps and refusing to surrender.

    Idk riot needs to do something about this shit, it’s a small wonder nobody plays this role. Literally everything that happens on rift is your fault, legit the only reason jungle exists is for people to flame you so they feel it can be someone else’s fault when they sprint it down a lane.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    I don't know how Riot can fix the culture though. The other day I checked out some Twitch LoL streams and watched a few minutes of TFBlade's channel. The entire 5 minutes I watched he was shit-talking his own teammates on stream and in chat, blaming them every time he died. This is a paid professional, grinding in Diamond and he is as shitty to his teammates as your average Silver-rank jackass.

    It wasn't that long ago the most popular stream on Twitch was a dude who was known for demanding to be Draven every game and if he didn't get him he would INT from minute one till FF. There are plenty of things to criticize RIot over but I don't know how they fix something like that.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2022
    You're talking about Tyler1 and they banned him so consistently that he had to mellow out and stop being so toxic in order for them to rescind the lifetime ban.

    In other news

    The GM I occasionally play with has upgraded me! I'm no longer "Basically a plat support." I'm now "Basically a diamond support." And I didn't even have to do promos

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    oh no, the monster tamers line looks very cute, especially kogmaw

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    kog as a pokemon and lulu as a pokemon trainer with pix as the same as a little kog is really good

    veigar feels way out of place though

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    without a monster veigar doesn't fit

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  • pyromaniac221pyromaniac221 this just might be an interestin YTRegistered User regular
    The second half of the Tyler1 story is that after he nominally “reformed,” Riot unbanned him and proceeded to aggressively feature him in their events and marketing, making him one of the most recognizable faces of their game, all while he continued to cultivate a reputation for being one of the most toxic players on the server

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    decided to start playing ranked this season because my normal games are so terrible i want to die

    first game, vex top into darius, ap chogath into yasuo, they both get absolutely body slammed even though i won lanes for both of them easy. loss that took 40 minutes because nobody knows how to end

    second game, nilah top into garen who dies 6 times in lane because garen into nilah the most bot lane champ ever created, kai'sa dcs 3 minutes in just after remake. actually win some fights but nobody wants to contest any objectives so we lose soul in 4 drakes, people literally recalling in the pixel bush next to the pit with 2 dead, all we have to do is rush it. nah, better buy a longsword. loss.

    like, what the fuck man, i just don't know what i am expected to do. every team i play with refuses to play vaguely on role champions no matter what mode i play. i don't know what i'm supposed to do.

    Knight_ on
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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    decided to start playing ranked this season because my normal games are so terrible i want to die

    first game, vex top into darius, ap chogath into yasuo, they both get absolutely body slammed even though i won lanes for both of them easy. loss that took 40 minutes because nobody knows how to end

    second game, nilah top into garen who dies 6 times in lane because garen into nilah the most bot lane champ ever created, kai'sa dcs 3 minutes in just after remake. actually win some fights but nobody wants to contest any objectives so we lose soul in 4 drakes, people literally recalling in the pixel bush next to the pit with 2 dead, all we have to do is rush it. nah, better buy a longsword. loss.

    like, what the fuck man, i just don't know what i am expected to do. every team i play with refuses to play vaguely on role champions no matter what mode i play. i don't know what i'm supposed to do.

    it's a little less optimal because you're starting your climb kinda late in the season but: DODGE BAD LOBBIES

    sure, Nilah top *might* work and she'll be this amazing snowballed carry but honestly it's probably not going to work and you have enough game sense to make a pretty good guess at what teams are just doomed at champion select. Dodge toxic lobbies and dodge obviously doomed teams. If this means you are dodging so much that you don't get to play as much as you want to, make a second account you can play on during your dodge timer (leveling up a second account does not take too long these days)

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    ya i guess honestly i should have just dodged the lobby i knew it was an obvious loss nilah into garen.

    nilah has a 40% wr top (25% into garen), which seems generous.

    i think i need to just play pure carries also, since my normals are all gold 2-plat 4 games, and these ranked games are all at mid-bronze. i'm expecting people to do certain things when i engage and uh, instead i'm just being killed. have to just play selfishly.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    I don't know Nilah's moveset since her asthetic does not interest me at all, but as a former Garen top main a few seasons ago I can say that some marksman were pretty tough to fight. Vayne in particular was a real problem for me.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Nilah doesn't have the ability to play the no fun for Garen game. No gap closer rejection like Quinn or Vayne and her dash can only go towards a champion (friend or foe).

    She's basically a cannon minion for Garen early game.

    Also Gold IV promos are 1-1 so far. Here's hoping for some good luck on making my 53% win rate fall on the right side of a 5 game series (fuck I hate promos).

    Knight_ wrote: »
    ya i guess honestly i should have just dodged the lobby i knew it was an obvious loss nilah into garen.

    nilah has a 40% wr top (25% into garen), which seems generous.

    i think i need to just play pure carries also, since my normals are all gold 2-plat 4 games, and these ranked games are all at mid-bronze. i'm expecting people to do certain things when i engage and uh, instead i'm just being killed. have to just play selfishly.

    Nah don't do pure carries. Either do huge snowball assassins/jungle picks or do a big bruiser/tank that can still threaten picks.

    Carries still depend on team mates, a fed enough Cho'gath can constantly threaten a side lane and make the game unplayable for the enemy team.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    ya once garen is on top of her she's dead every time, and her range isn't good enough to hold him away

    are any of the assassins even relevant anymore? i guess diana but i feel like she plays more like a bruiser. tho maybe with sunfire shot in the head for non-health builders her oneshot build will be more relevant.

    maybe i'll just get big into morde jungle, people have been saying it's stealth op for a while especially at low elo.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I haven't tried in a while, but when I last did explore ranked I found it really hard to get anywhere trying to run the latest OP for low ELO strat. Bans, patches, and of course bad team play still get in the way. I think the best thing for us sub-platinum people to do is pick a couple of mid or better tier champs that we enjoy playing, focus on CS in lane, play conservatively overall, and let the chips fall where they may.

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    ya once garen is on top of her she's dead every time, and her range isn't good enough to hold him away

    are any of the assassins even relevant anymore? i guess diana but i feel like she plays more like a bruiser. tho maybe with sunfire shot in the head for non-health builders her oneshot build will be more relevant.

    maybe i'll just get big into morde jungle, people have been saying it's stealth op for a while especially at low elo.

    Morde jungle is really strong but ime it is low impact early and it's possible your lanes might be fucked by then. Definitely worth a shot though

    Are you only playing jungle while climbing? I've definitely found that different picks and roles work better for me at different elo bands

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  • IvelliusIvellius Registered User regular
    Also keep in mind they've just redone the game to put more priority on drakes and second herald while making drakes longer to take.

    Sunfire Diana is fun! I forget who turned me on to that, but it is. My builds were more tanky so I'm not sure the Sunfire change will affect it that much; it's likely still okay.
    credeiki wrote: »
    Morde jungle is really strong but ime it is low impact early and it's possible your lanes might be fucked by then. Definitely worth a shot though

    I just want to note that this is statistically true: he's got a bad win rate early but it climbs steadily to peak at the 35-40-minute range.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    Ya his ganks are mediocre and has so so clear until 1 item.

    Meta with the new objectives I think def wants champs who can quickly grab drake and herald because they’re even more powerful for reasons, which has me thinking more fighters and juggernauts

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Vi used to be super good for soloing the first dragon.

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat Hop, hop, hop, HA! Trick of the lightRegistered User regular
    Ivellius wrote: »
    Also keep in mind they've just redone the game to put more priority on drakes and second herald while making drakes longer to take.

    Sunfire Diana is fun! I forget who turned me on to that, but it is. My builds were more tanky so I'm not sure the Sunfire change will affect it that much; it's likely still okay.
    credeiki wrote: »
    Morde jungle is really strong but ime it is low impact early and it's possible your lanes might be fucked by then. Definitely worth a shot though

    I just want to note that this is statistically true: he's got a bad win rate early but it climbs steadily to peak at the 35-40-minute range.

    Might have been me. Sunfire Diana is so good. It was difficult getting used to not having rocketbelt in for maximum ult range but eh, it's pretty great just mowing motherfuckers down.

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Ya his ganks are mediocre and has so so clear until 1 item.

    Meta with the new objectives I think def wants champs who can quickly grab drake and herald because they’re even more powerful for reasons, which has me thinking more fighters and juggernauts

    Honestly I think the harder to grab objectives can make the Skill Capped advice of "Just skip drake, what are you doing to your tempo???" even more relevant.

    It was already pretty true for say, Lillia, that you should probably skip drake after a gank bot to instead take raptors into a mid gank or reset. It's just more true now it's tougher to do them.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    they're worth a lot more stats now though, and dragons do less damage even though they take more. herald is also worth an absolute truckload of gold because it's 100 + 200 local and the 2 guaranteed plates. i think it's really hard to ignore objectives this patch.

    i don't think any top laner has ever lost their lane, it's always jg's fault. the absolute pretzels these people can tie themselves into to blame anyone but themselves for losing 1v1s.

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  • IvelliusIvellius Registered User regular
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    Might have been me. Sunfire Diana is so good. It was difficult getting used to not having rocketbelt in for maximum ult range but eh, it's pretty great just mowing motherfuckers down.

    I think you're at least one of them; I have another friend who I seem to vaguely recall playing it too (or talking to me about it?), but it fits my style better than burst approach. I played it again this morning just to see if new patch made a difference; seems mostly okay still if you're building HP items.
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Meta with the new objectives I think def wants champs who can quickly grab drake and herald because they’re even more powerful for reasons, which has me thinking more fighters and juggernauts

    Having now played a handful of games on the new patch (albeit only two as jungle), I think this is not necessarily true? If you can get a kill off a gank, you can then parlay that into a drake, and you probably need the team help so I feel like that's as good a strategy. I'm not sure who can take it actually quickly now: I would say Trundle or Warwick might be options (maybe Nunu? But damage is really low until Sunfire / mythic), but it'd be dangerous for Trundle at least. It feels like you have to have an actual advantage to go after them now instead of most meta junglers being able to kill it whenever. It at least is pushing my first one back a bit, I think. If you can't tell, I quite like this change.

    Herald is still probably too easy though--it always has been, but a lot of people don't seem to know how to kite around its damage.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Herald is supposed to be easy, imo, because it's supposed to be the consolation prize for missing dragon.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Honestly, given the choice between first drake and first Herald I'd take Herald every single time.

    Dragon's a small buff for your whole team and potential future. Herald lets you ram econ advantage up you and whatever winning lane you want.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    ya herald is like, guaranteed 640g for your team right now. it's extremely strong. and if you drop it on a winning lane after a gank it's going to be first turret.

    dragon has big stat value but especially early doesn't help you snowball at all, i prefer early heralds to early dragons. though i mean obviously if you can take dragon early on non-sneak champs it usually means you won a big fight bot lane or have high prio anyway so i guess yolo.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    And back into Gold IV. This time not by one tricking my darling Lillia but by playing Fill all the way up.

  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    https://youtu.be/QW7jEEJcstc
    we've already reviewed how Taliyah could have done like five different things to let this succeed in the end so we don't need to go over that here lmao

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2022
    I hit a new record on dark harvest stacks

    54

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    Fuck me what a long fuckin game lol

    EDIT: What the hell, it's not on my op.gg and it's not showing up on my match history

    SHENANIGANS

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    And back into Gold IV. This time not by one tricking my darling Lillia but by playing Fill all the way up.

    Brave

    I actually went back to lillia one trick after having a bad time on tanks early in placements. Ended up going like 6-2 on lillia, uwu thanos goes brr.

    Finished placements at silver 4, matches are still pretty easy down here as long as I 1v9, it’s like a full league and a half lower than my normal games and nobody respects the deer, people just walking up to me and it's just tragic

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    And back into Gold IV. This time not by one tricking my darling Lillia but by playing Fill all the way up.

    Brave

    I actually went back to lillia one trick after having a bad time on tanks early in placements. Ended up going like 6-2 on lillia, uwu thanos goes brr.

    Finished placements at silver 4, matches are still pretty easy down here as long as I 1v9, it’s like a full league and a half lower than my normal games and nobody respects the deer, people just walking up to me and it's just tragic

    Lillia really drops off once people stop trying to fight the six hundred move speed, always healing demon deer and realise that you can’t kill them quickly if you’re not fed as hell.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    she doesn't really drop off until plat by stats, so not particularly relevant to me, i've never gotten past gold heh

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    And back into Gold IV. This time not by one tricking my darling Lillia but by playing Fill all the way up.

    That's really impressive!

    I'd love to be a good all around player and then I think about how 1. I have literally no idea what's happening in top lane (who beats whom at any given point in the game??? when do people push vs freeze? what's a herald???? at least now we can't teleport gank bot early so I wouldn't have to think about that but there is just a hole in my brain where all that knowledge is missing) 2. jungle?????????? ?????? ????????

    so I have a lot of respect for someone like you or Ivellius or lfx who actually can handle all the roles

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    And back into Gold IV. This time not by one tricking my darling Lillia but by playing Fill all the way up.

    That's really impressive!

    I'd love to be a good all around player and then I think about how 1. I have literally no idea what's happening in top lane (who beats whom at any given point in the game??? when do people push vs freeze? what's a herald???? at least now we can't teleport gank bot early so I wouldn't have to think about that but there is just a hole in my brain where all that knowledge is missing) 2. jungle?????????? ?????? ????????

    so I have a lot of respect for someone like you or Ivellius or lfx who actually can handle all the roles

    Honestly you basically only have to learn bot lane and jungle if you’re playing fill. You’ll get top once in a blue moon and will never, ever get mid.

    Otherwise it’s just a lot of fundamentals and playing reasonably confident and slow rather than trying to hard carry.

    Like, I haven’t played Quinn in ages so completely fucked my lane top vs Akali, bad last hits, forfeiting my early pressure and giving two kills.

    We didn’t win that game (other lanes went worse) but I still top damaged on my team and put ten kills on the board by just playing macro and chasing win cons at bird speed.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    i played a game of morde jungle tonight

    i am going to play more morde jungle. coming out of the jungle, death realming someone and just sending them to bonk town is a whole lot of fun. i got multiple kills by just ominously walking at people with the passive. a great time, would recommend.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Also now I've hit Gold IV and am sitting on a safe 54% win rate I can slack on ranked.

    Which means the other half of my 'only star guardians + 1 exception per lane' gimmick can continue: Getting M5 on all of them.

    Time to really fuck up some matches as Akali, Fiddles, Taliyah and Ekko. I am dog on all those.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    mid laner gets 3 camp ganked when i'm playing a full clear jg, then kites the other team to me when i don't have all 3 abilities, then blames me because he doesn't just walk back to the tower because he wants a double kill

    then does it a second time a minute later while kiting away from me instead of toward me and tower, then follows me around for the rest of the game trying to take my camps.

    a game that somehow took 30 god forsaken minutes because people refuse to ff even though at 4 minutes my mid laner mental boomed.

    league of legends is a fun video game btw.

    Knight_ on
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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    I have the weirdest issue with League right now:

    My Ranked MMR and current rank are Gold IVish.

    My Normal MMR literally puts me up against (and I usually do okayish) Plats and sometimes even like, diamond smurfs.

    So now I'm in the odd spot where if I wanna practice new picks it's more practical to do it in ranked than normals.

    In unrelated news I apologize to my ranked team mates for my Akali play. However in my defense I still top damaged and slow lost lane vs lane bullies.

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