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[League of Legends] Here comes the Smolder

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Looks like more of their making the world be consistent so baron looks like what they want the void to be going forward instead of a marketable plushy.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    vomit. another season another jungle is thrown into a blender because it's the only role riot fucks with every 2 gd seconds.

    also scuttle crab not cute little guy 0/10.

    i really need to learn a solo lane or something.

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    vomit. another season another jungle is thrown into a blender because it's the only role riot fucks with every 2 gd seconds.

    also scuttle crab not cute little guy 0/10.

    i really need to learn a solo lane or something.

    Knight, the way you talk about this game you really sound like you need to take a break from it for your own sake, seriously. It does not sound healthy at all.

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    On the actual changes, honestly, they look cool! But like all i have to do with leauge these days is watching pro-play, and i think they'll make proplay more dynamic and fund to watch, so hey!

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiLL9ZwaBRE

    Oh hey, it's literally just Invoker. That's cool, he's gonna be super fucking popular

    Also, worlds finals spoilers
    god damn that was free as fuck, T1 just absolutely smashed them

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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    ph blake wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiLL9ZwaBRE

    Oh hey, it's literally just Invoker. That's cool, he's gonna be super fucking popular

    Also, worlds finals spoilers
    god damn that was free as fuck, T1 just absolutely smashed them

    The winners earned it for sure, but also ooof. The losing team just looked somewhat broken after game 2 - hard to see that game 3 pick ban as anything but a blunder.

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Between the Eagles and LoL, I think Knight is just into pain. (Jk jk, love ya. I'm sitting through the Jordan Love Experience and still play this as well)

    I've moved to ARAM only and it's helped immensely. I know it's not everybody's jam, it lacks any strategy whatsoever, but I've decided dumb fun is what I'm here for now.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I get that League is hard to quit as I've been playing these hero arena game modes since they first got popular on WarCraft III's user maps over 20-years ago. But the days of it being a simple and enjoyable game are long gone. It's a hyper competitive e-sport now and has among the most toxic communities their side of 8chan.

    If it evokes this level of negative emotion in you then you should stop playing and look to something else.

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    Between the Eagles and LoL, I think Knight is just into pain. (Jk jk, love ya. I'm sitting through the Jordan Love Experience and still play this as well)

    I've moved to ARAM only and it's helped immensely. I know it's not everybody's jam, it lacks any strategy whatsoever, but I've decided dumb fun is what I'm here for now.

    ARAM does actually involve a bit of strategy if you don't want to lose every game to the respawn mechanics they fixed and then reverted the fix bc people complained about being dead for too long.

    Also, HotS might be coming back soon which means Knight could return home to making these posts in that thread instead

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Also, HotS might be coming back soon which means Knight could return home to making these posts in that thread instead

    don't do this to yourself

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    my problem with league right now is primarily that i just don’t have a useful champ pool because i suck at everything and they keep nerfing my role on top of it.

    just not great idk

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    Honestly, if I got filled jungle in low ELO, I'd probably end up playing something that scales heavily off gold like Shyvana.

    Focus fully on killing camps so much it'd make the HOTS thread blush, and when all your camps are down look around if there's any plays to be made. If none are available, reset back to base, buy items, and go back to clearing camps. Eventually hit a point where you've got a massive level and gold lead, and raid-boss all over faces. Who cares what the rest of your team is doing when RAWRI'MADRAGON.

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    hwei looks cool, like a mage aphelios kinda? probably he will be too hard to play ;_;

    I like the painter theme

    seems like he could flex as support with the cc and utility versions of his spells as the main focus? altho it probably depends on how much money he needs to be effective I guess

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Honestly, if I got filled jungle in low ELO, I'd probably end up playing something that scales heavily off gold like Shyvana.

    Focus fully on killing camps so much it'd make the HOTS thread blush, and when all your camps are down look around if there's any plays to be made. If none are available, reset back to base, buy items, and go back to clearing camps. Eventually hit a point where you've got a massive level and gold lead, and raid-boss all over faces. Who cares what the rest of your team is doing when RAWRI'MADRAGON.

    jungle just doesn't have enough gold in it anymore for this kinda strat. you'll get outscaled by a 0/3/0 top laner with so so farm.

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    The few times I've been filled jungle I've just gone Xin and picked a lane at random to spam gank starting from level 2

    Granted this hasn't happened in months and there's been like 2 different jungle xp reworks since then I think? So no fucking idea how well it would work anymore.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    they have done a lot to try to stop level 2 ganks because there was a period there that was bot is basically 3v3 except 2 of the laners are hidden in the jungle sometimes.

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    So I just gave it a try, seeing as how it's the first time I've jungled in like... six years? Whenever Hecarim came out was the last time I seriously played the position.

    Had a absolutely horrible start due to getting invaded but I kept at it and ended the game with 16.4k gold and 270+ CS, occasionally weaving into lanes to pick up the walking XP orbs that aren't getting soaked by anyone and were going to waste. While there's probably better ways to jungle, I think it worked well since it really made you think about keeping your income up and grabbing camps whenever it was safe to. (Doubly so if you're grabbing the enemy's camps while they're farting around in top river not doing anything.)

    They had a bit of beef on their team, so I probably should've grabbed Demonic Embrace, but still felt pretty good otherwise. I feel a tiny bit bad just squashing their squishies if they ever were in R range.

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  • IvelliusIvellius Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    PMAvers wrote: »
    So I just gave it a try, seeing as how it's the first time I've jungled in like... six years? Whenever Hecarim came out was the last time I seriously played the position.

    Bruh Hecarim is like a decade old at this point, probably more.

    *Googles* Yes, April of 2012.

    Not sure what your build was, but Black Cleaver is more what he wants for tank shredding. Maybe Divine Sunderer is still okay into tanks for him? (It got nerfed a lot like a year ago; I don't really know what it's current status is.)

    Ah, also:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNZIAcnpSLY

    Or a text version!

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    my problem with league right now is primarily that i just don’t have a useful champ pool because i suck at everything and they keep nerfing my role on top of it.

    just not great idk

    For the purest sense of agency I recommend mid. I usually play adc/supp ranked and mid in flex and while I enjoy all of them, mid definitely feels the least frustrating if you're in a 'all my teammates suck' sort of mood

    I'm 100% looking forward to Hwei--love his theme, kit looks cool, should use my existing instincts as a mage player, also he's HOT

    I was hanging out at gold 1 and climbing, and then lost like...200 LP from playing while wedding stressing oops. I seriously only climb when I play clearheaded. Not totally sure I can gain elo again this season but I'm super hype about next season and in general very up on LoL right now. Having a lot of fun, I think because I stopped caring as much about hitting any particular elo goal.

    Also lfx and I spend a lot of time just running it down in flex and it's pretty entertaining. Lots of:
    'do you think I can play Ekko this game? hahaha too bad I'm gonna!'
    and then:
    '...omg sorry I just inted every single game today....'

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  • LoserForHireXLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    my problem with league right now is primarily that i just don’t have a useful champ pool because i suck at everything and they keep nerfing my role on top of it.

    just not great idk

    For the purest sense of agency I recommend mid. I usually play adc/supp ranked and mid in flex and while I enjoy all of them, mid definitely feels the least frustrating if you're in a 'all my teammates suck' sort of mood

    I'm 100% looking forward to Hwei--love his theme, kit looks cool, should use my existing instincts as a mage player, also he's HOT

    I was hanging out at gold 1 and climbing, and then lost like...200 LP from playing while wedding stressing oops. I seriously only climb when I play clearheaded. Not totally sure I can gain elo again this season but I'm super hype about next season and in general very up on LoL right now. Having a lot of fun, I think because I stopped caring as much about hitting any particular elo goal.

    Also lfx and I spend a lot of time just running it down in flex and it's pretty entertaining. Lots of:
    'do you think I can play Ekko this game? hahaha too bad I'm gonna!'
    and then:
    '...omg sorry I just inted every single game today....'

    everyone's clear on who these quotes are from, right?

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  • IvelliusIvellius Registered User regular
    everyone's clear on who these quotes are from, right?

    Someone already admitted to spamming mid in flex... :)

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  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    Ivellius wrote: »

    prepare for the season of herald ints

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    hwei screams we are going to have to put this champ in pro jail so hard.

    new items are going to be crazy for a bit, the assassin tiamat item scares me deeply. mid roams into bot all day.

    i think the new walls are generally good, or at least interesting.

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    edited November 2023
    unsure Hwei is inherently going to be pro-broken (they may still fuck it up)

    he's so much less complicated than Invoker is, and there's no resource management which is a big part of why Aphelios is so impenetrable. you just have more abilities like Nidalee and Jayce do, otherwise you're a normal-ass mage

    let's see if I can remember all the combos from the two times I've seen a list of them:
    QQ - Default big nuke skillshot
    QW - Long range execute AoE
    QE - Long slowing line AoE
    WQ - slowing skillshot that sticks to people? less sure on this one
    WW - AoE shield
    WE - zoom tunnel
    EQ - some kind of slow
    EW - some kind of slow
    EE - Orphea ult
    ult - nunu ult you stick on an enemy

    looked it up; the zoom tunnel is WQ, WE is the mana regen self-nami E, EQ is the fear (probably what I was thinking of the slowing skillshot), EW is Swain W that roots

    you'll have a lot more option select moments in a game, but if you're just playing him as a straightforward burst mage mid you can likely get away with doing the Q version of all three abilities 90% of the time.
    support Hwei uses QE, alternates between WQ and WW, and then EQ or EE depending on if you can hit two people with EE.

    obviously as you get better with him you'll be more able to leverage the full option select in any situation, but both of those simple decision trees sound like a fully functional character

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    it’s just going to be extremely difficult to balance a champ that has 3x as many options as other characters, since either he’s just straight worse in a buttons fight because he has to pay for the versatility, or he isn’t and he’s broken.

    nidalee jayce and elise are all very high elo bound because they have 6 abilities and no ult. we’ll see but given riots recent history with champs, i am not confident.

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    edited November 2023
    Knight_ wrote: »
    it’s just going to be extremely difficult to balance a champ that has 3x as many options as other characters, since either he’s just straight worse in a buttons fight because he has to pay for the versatility, or he isn’t and he’s broken.

    nidalee jayce and elise are all very high elo bound because they have 6 abilities and no ult. we’ll see but given riots recent history with champs, i am not confident.

    ah you know what that's fair actually. I at least hope he'll be in their range and not Ryze/Azir range

    also, this was an A-. I did the math and was literally 0.35% off solo carry (40% of team's damage)

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    10-skills sounds awful and I hate the idea even more than I hated Aphelios.

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    It's not as bad because, from looking at the footage at least, it's not like invoker where each ability has it's own cd, but rather "press Q and then pick one of three modes, and then all your Q spells go on cd"

    So instead of tracking a bunch of shit and prepping spells in advance like Invoker, it's just 1) I want to damage something so I press Q, into 2) press Q/W/E again depending on whether you want poke/follow up/AOE.

    E is probably the biggest problem child balance wise, cause having disengage/zone control/group + slow all in one button is pretty spooky, especially if you can spam it late game. The ability reveal trailer showed it having a 10 second cd max rank with 30 ability haste, so that's like, what, 14 second cd at max rank with no Ability Haste? Sounds reasonable enough, especially since it theoretically should be harder to stack AH with no Liandry's mythic passive and Zhonya's no longer giving any AH (so you actually have to commit to buying AH items instead of getting 55-60 AH alone from mythic + zhonya's + cdr boots)

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    Wait, fuck all this mage bullshit, ADC's can build Navori + IE at the same time, just did it on the PBE.

    Holy fuck lmao, this is fun

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    ph blake wrote: »
    Wait, fuck all this mage bullshit, ADC's can build Navori + IE at the same time, just did it on the PBE.

    Holy fuck lmao, this is fun

    Fun? In marksman itemization?

    That’s gonna get nerfed.

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  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    Karthus ult being able to one-shot a full health caitlyn with the new lightning item is kind of hilarious.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    ya the new lightning item probably needs a 2000 unit range or something so adcs are allowed to play the video game.

    very odd they spent all this time talking about how we want to make it about champs and not just the items they carry and then make these items so terrifying.

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  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    Only issue I have with the changes is that moving the brushes around doesn't help the laners as much as they might believe. It will further push junglers into either stealth (Shaco) or high mobility champs like Lee who don't care about the brush at all. The voidlings granting permanent buffs is going to put a lot of pressure on baron pit fights earlier in the game. If you like playing duelists like Noc, Khazix, or Kayne that's probably good, but if you prefer scaling or farming champs, these two changes are really going to hurt their impact on the game.

    It kinda feels like this is going to be level 3 scuttlecrab coinflip all over again, and that was probably the nadir of the jungle meta.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    i think level 2 bot camp was the worst, but scuttle coinflip was def up there. idk i don’t think it’ll be that bad especially with how nerfed jungle xp and gold is.

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    heads up they absolutely slaughtered mage ashe in ARAM

    I'm glad they're finally willing to change base ability cooldowns to help balance ARAM, but uh... 18 seconds at all levels might be a lil heavy handed

    just needed to make the maxed cooldown like. 10 seconds or something

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    no i’m fine with 18s. maybe 2 minutes would be good for a few patches. if i never see mandate ashe in aram ever again as long as i live it’ll be too soon.

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    edited November 2023
    the ARAM-specific change I really want to see now is taking Veigar cage and making it last half as long

    and I'm saying that as a veigar player—even with the +3cd they gave it at all levels it's still just waaaaaay too strong

    the initial impact stun and herding of the other team for 1.5s on a basic ability would still be plenty strong while not just making it feel like a death sentence if you're stuck in it as a squishy

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited November 2023
    literally every ranked lobby i play is exactly like this
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    the garen is level 30 so he's a smurf. the gwen isn't good enough to play gwen and especially not into someone who can just stat check her so sprints it down, the talon has 2 deaths before i kill my 3rd camp and 4 deaths before 5 minutes. so i have to spend the whole game frantically trying to stop them from killing everything on the map with no help, and me and my bot lane are fine but nowhere good enough to counter a gigafed swain and garen.

    and it's jg diff of course, both of them spend the whole game blaming me for losing their lanes even though they only got solo killed the entire laning phase. just absolutely incredible how bad this video game is and how horrible it is to play jungle.

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    No idea why but the client is being especially ass today.

    Like I planned on lazing around eating leftovers and playing league all day, but I was barely able to get through a single game before it started crashing every 5 minutes

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    Idly wondering about game design again. Whenever I suggest potential additional mechanics for league my friends say that complexity is already a huge issue for the game and new players (very true), which kinda shuts down talk of adding new and interesting stuff. So what complexity is currently hanging around that could potentially be pruned without losing much?

    My first thought is the ultimate conclusion of an ancient league arc: bin secondary runes and rune pages. You just select your keystone before a game and that's it.

    The rational is that the vast majority of secondary runes are slight tweaks and optimizations for some bonus stats, which isn't really anything that interesting from a design level. Your keystone will have huge impacts on how your game plays out but Gathering Storm vs Scorch is super minor. It's a loss of some customizability and depth for older players, but if that can be traded for more interesting in-game decisions rather than somewhat rote pre-game decisions that's adding more engagement and hopefully fun into the game.

    (Not to mention a lot of players just use their stock rune pages or have porofessor do it for them, which can make that depth fake.)

    There's a few things that'd need to be accounted for—some of the unique green tree mechanics can get moved into tank or bruiser items, perhaps a mage component that functions as bone plating and builds into something like Crown. Perhaps a hexflash item, perhaps a zombie ward item that competes with umbral glaive. Compounding item complexity a little bit more isn't much of a delta because that section is already impenetrable to the new player; a few more options isn't going to stress that load while completely freeing up a newer player's mental load before the game into focusing on team comps and what their role in the game will be.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    i think the depth of minor runes is important for a lot of matchups in lane. like grabbing second wind in a poke heavy, or bone plating if they're going to all in you, or the decision of late game scaling gathering vs early poke scorch.

    i also think that the new auto rune system is really really helpful for newer players and can obfuscate that complexity a lot for new players or even just new players to a champ. being able to press a button in the client and get 90% of the way there lets you get into the system, and then them letting you edit it lets you slowly engage with the system as you want.

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