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[League of Legends] Here comes the Smolder

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    literally every ranked lobby i play is exactly like this
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    the garen is level 30 so he's a smurf. the gwen isn't good enough to play gwen and especially not into someone who can just stat check her so sprints it down, the talon has 2 deaths before i kill my 3rd camp and 4 deaths before 5 minutes. so i have to spend the whole game frantically trying to stop them from killing everything on the map with no help, and me and my bot lane are fine but nowhere good enough to counter a gigafed swain and garen.

    and it's jg diff of course, both of them spend the whole game blaming me for losing their lanes even though they only got solo killed the entire laning phase. just absolutely incredible how bad this video game is and how horrible it is to play jungle.

    Just play fiddlesticks. It's basically freelo. You scale, farm, and have point and click cc combined with a game winning ult.

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    https://youtube.com/shorts/7146BKcm4qw?si=6glppdZgEOMTw-Hu

    Hrm. Not sure what to think. On one hand, a dragon marksman could be fun. On the other hand... yeah, no, that face just doesn't work.

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    edited January 5
    PMAvers wrote: »
    https://youtube.com/shorts/7146BKcm4qw?si=6glppdZgEOMTw-Hu

    Hrm. Not sure what to think. On one hand, a dragon marksman could be fun. On the other hand... yeah, no, that face just doesn't work.

    Jesus christ I wasn't expecting the face to be that bad

    Like I saw the complaining last night but I mean, it's League player's complaining? Not really a big shock there

    And then I finally watch it this morning and lmao, what the fuck is that?

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Bootlegged How to Train Your Dragon art style right there.

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    https://youtube.com/shorts/7146BKcm4qw?si=6glppdZgEOMTw-Hu

    Hrm. Not sure what to think. On one hand, a dragon marksman could be fun. On the other hand... yeah, no, that face just doesn't work.

    I really don't like the visual design or concept but I'm clearly not the target audience

    presumably, in order to continue to get new players, LoL has to make characters that appeal to kids, so maybe this is more for like, 11-year olds? They can play as Milio and Spyro and feel happy about that

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    if it was spyro it would be a million times better, spyro is a good design.

    this idiot is a nightmare to look at, it’s like someone put thomas the tank engine’s face on a dragons body

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    It *does* sound like Smolder is supposed to be the "easy to get into" bot marksman which... there really isn't one currently, is there. Something on the tier of Annie.

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    if it was spyro it would be a million times better, spyro is a good design.

    this idiot is a nightmare to look at, it’s like someone put thomas the tank engine’s face on a dragons body

    yeah the face is not exactly creepy but kind of creepy because it's a little too humanlike or something

    do not like

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    The art is bad. The abilities sound fun.

    But I might be a dumb baby because I fuckin love Milo.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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    PMAvers wrote: »
    Holy shit

    They are bringing my favorite character from Arcane to the game

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    The art is bad. The abilities sound fun.

    But I might be a dumb baby because I fuckin love Milo.

    Milo is cool, I don't really mind the concept of a kid dragon that gets stronger through training, and the abilities look fun enough

    But god damn is it a bad case of Dreamworks Face

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Milio? The character so boring people forgot him a week after release? That Milio?

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    and yet you remembered how quickly you forgot him. curious. i am very intelligent.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 5
    and yet you remembered how quickly you forgot him. curious. i am very intelligent.

    TBH (and I know you’re doing a bit) I mainly remembered it because of a comment on a necrit video that mentioned how necrit had forgotten to even mention him in his recap

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
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  • The Zombie PenguinThe Zombie Penguin Eternal Hungry Corpse Registered User regular
    As someone who only watches pro play, seeing comments like "milo is forgotten" is deeply funny to me. Also a good example of pro play being a wildly, wildly different thing to day to day league.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    milio is a pro play jail enchanter, nobody plays him because in normal human league you can do way better with almost anyone else. the ryze of support.

    i do like his design tho he’s fun.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    As someone who only watches pro play, seeing comments like "milo is forgotten" is deeply funny to me. Also a good example of pro play being a wildly, wildly different thing to day to day league.

    Because his kit is extremely good, extremely hard to use without a good team.

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    milio had an adorable trailer and is super fun in ARAM, A++ hero design as far as I'm concerned

    smolder looked absolutely awful but that redesign is much closer to something workable

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited January 6
    the nose is too short and the face is too flat and human to ever be good but at least this new design doesn’t trigger me to want to do anything i can to get it off my screen like the old one did

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    we're in a real anti-snout era with cartoon dragon children

  • IvelliusIvellius Registered User regular
    I would maybe have played Milio some if I actually played support; as it is I have literally 0 games on him so I'm not qualified to comment.

    I don't know that I think Spyro here is the "beginner ADC"? I feel like MF is probably easier on a very basic level, maybe Jinx and Tristana too. Maybe I'm wrong about that; I suppose art style would suggest that's the intention here, much like Yuumi is "beginner support." (I'm mainly arguing with myself at this point.)

    Here for Durian Rammus, though!

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Ivellius wrote: »
    I would maybe have played Milio some if I actually played support; as it is I have literally 0 games on him so I'm not qualified to comment.

    I don't know that I think Spyro here is the "beginner ADC"? I feel like MF is probably easier on a very basic level, maybe Jinx and Tristana too. Maybe I'm wrong about that; I suppose art style would suggest that's the intention here, much like Yuumi is "beginner support." (I'm mainly arguing with myself at this point.)

    Here for Durian Rammus, though!

    He's got a get out jail free card and scales really well from just farming.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    I think it's less to make a Beginner and more acknowledging that the last several ADCs they've made have been either very non-traditional or high complexity. So it's just to make someone for the people who wants a nice, straightforward New Toy. Similar to the good doggy

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Milio is fine--very similar to Janna, and there are times where it does make sense to play Janna

    obviously you aren't going to be playing him if you are interested in solo carrying as support and touting your personal damage numbers, and also not if you are looking to initiate allins

    but, good to play with someone like Aphelios or Kog'maw where they're going to scale up and you're going to protect them devotedly. Also, good for a beginning player! Hard to screw up playing him, and you can position like an utter coward and still be relatively useful.

    ....but do I forget he exists and play Janna instead--100%

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    Milio is fine--very similar to Janna, and there are times where it does make sense to play Janna

    obviously you aren't going to be playing him if you are interested in solo carrying as support and touting your personal damage numbers, and also not if you are looking to initiate allins

    but, good to play with someone like Aphelios or Kog'maw where they're going to scale up and you're going to protect them devotedly. Also, good for a beginning player! Hard to screw up playing him, and you can position like an utter coward and still be relatively useful.

    ....but do I forget he exists and play Janna instead--100%

    Janna is milio except her kits works if your team is dogshit

    milio is extremely hampered if your team don't know how to play with him

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    Ivellius wrote: »
    I would maybe have played Milio some if I actually played support; as it is I have literally 0 games on him so I'm not qualified to comment.

    I don't know that I think Spyro here is the "beginner ADC"? I feel like MF is probably easier on a very basic level, maybe Jinx and Tristana too. Maybe I'm wrong about that; I suppose art style would suggest that's the intention here, much like Yuumi is "beginner support." (I'm mainly arguing with myself at this point.)

    Here for Durian Rammus, though!

    Jinx and Tristana are Extremely not beginner ADCs to me, as someone who does not regularly play ADCs and thus usually feels like a beginner

    Managing Jinx's gun is a lot to think about when you need to think about learning Everything already; the choice between extremely strict positioning requirements or "oops forgot rocket on and now I'm oom instantly" is something that comes way easier with game knowledge and especially laning muscle memory

    I found Tristana's bomb super unintuitive and it's a pretty core part of her kit; when I found out a lot of the time she's played more like an assassin she made *so* much more sense to me but that playstyle is not something a new player can jump right into. If the idea is that she's forgiving because of the bonus range, I'd just say play Cait instead to get the range immediately while still having a get-out-of-dodge button.

    Cait and MF would definitely be my go-to recs rn for beginner ADCs, since they're so focused on just autoing with basically no bells or whistles other than "remember you have a passive." The only complex thing either of them do is ult positioning and Cait's Q->E interaction (and the burst combo that comes with it, but is way less necessary than Trist's combo afaik).

    Smolder I could see going either way; on the one hand "hyper scaling short-range ADC" is pretty bad for new players, but the range is augmented by his abilities which probably gives him some of the best wave clear on an ADC? Just by being a caster (and a proper mage-style caster rather than, like, Xayah) it's probably going to be a bit more forgiving

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  • A Dabble Of TheloniusA Dabble Of Thelonius It has been a doozy of a dayRegistered User regular
    Keep in mind, all my champ opinions are based on the fact that I only play ARAM nowadays.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Laning with Jinx I think it's pretty straightforward, but team fighting with her in mid game can get tricky.

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  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    that’s kinda any adc tho, the role is terribly difficult mechanically

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    ADC is the hardest role because of its simplicity. You generally don't have many tools other than "do damage."

    The difference between a good adc and a bad one in lane is immediately noticable.

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Ivellius wrote: »
    I would maybe have played Milio some if I actually played support; as it is I have literally 0 games on him so I'm not qualified to comment.

    I don't know that I think Spyro here is the "beginner ADC"? I feel like MF is probably easier on a very basic level, maybe Jinx and Tristana too. Maybe I'm wrong about that; I suppose art style would suggest that's the intention here, much like Yuumi is "beginner support." (I'm mainly arguing with myself at this point.)

    Here for Durian Rammus, though!

    Jinx and Tristana are Extremely not beginner ADCs to me, as someone who does not regularly play ADCs and thus usually feels like a beginner

    Managing Jinx's gun is a lot to think about when you need to think about learning Everything already; the choice between extremely strict positioning requirements or "oops forgot rocket on and now I'm oom instantly" is something that comes way easier with game knowledge and especially laning muscle memory

    I found Tristana's bomb super unintuitive and it's a pretty core part of her kit; when I found out a lot of the time she's played more like an assassin she made *so* much more sense to me but that playstyle is not something a new player can jump right into. If the idea is that she's forgiving because of the bonus range, I'd just say play Cait instead to get the range immediately while still having a get-out-of-dodge button.

    Cait and MF would definitely be my go-to recs rn for beginner ADCs, since they're so focused on just autoing with basically no bells or whistles other than "remember you have a passive." The only complex thing either of them do is ult positioning and Cait's Q->E interaction (and the burst combo that comes with it, but is way less necessary than Trist's combo afaik).

    Smolder I could see going either way; on the one hand "hyper scaling short-range ADC" is pretty bad for new players, but the range is augmented by his abilities which probably gives him some of the best wave clear on an ADC? Just by being a caster (and a proper mage-style caster rather than, like, Xayah) it's probably going to be a bit more forgiving

    Cait and MF 100% best new player options imo, I agree

    Jinx is also quite easy to lane as, and also I think nice to learn to teamfight since you have the crutch of your 700 range rockets and they are super rewarding, but also you *must* auto (important because some adc players can get very caught up in abilities and sort of forget to auto while they are playing). I think Riot chose well putting her in the starter pool of champs--also doesn't hurt that Jinx has a fun visual design.

    I think it might also be good to learn Jhin, because his AS is capped so that you never have to have the orbwalking mechanics you do on someone like Ashe, his autos are rewarding, and his Q is straightforward. I acknowledge that teamfighting as Jhin is a little weird but I mean what adc isn't weird to teamfight on, honestly.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Cait is, by far, the most beginer friendly adc. She has cc, she has an escape tool that you are really, REALLY encouraged to not use to go in with while starting out, and a simple as fuck point and click ult.

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  • IvelliusIvellius Registered User regular
    edited January 8
    credeiki wrote: »
    I think it might also be good to learn Jhin, because his AS is capped so that you never have to have the orbwalking mechanics you do on someone like Ashe, his autos are rewarding, and his Q is straightforward.

    If he had a better ult for the purposes of this thought exercise I would've listed him. Even then...yeah, probably worth putting him in there. He's a much less safe pick, though--only very conditional / itemized mobility and really relying on your snare to save you, which isn't the most forgiving for a newbie I wouldn't think. MF E slow into W strut away is a little more straightforward.

    I think part of this is also showing my age, but I'll add on that Tristana helped me learn ADC because last-hitting was more rewarding (due to the E procs), though, yes, she's been rescoped a bit since. (Also no one knew anything about wave management back then.)

    credeiki wrote: »
    I acknowledge that teamfighting as Jhin is a little weird but I mean what adc isn't weird to teamfight on, honestly.

    And I think I'd argue his reload mechanic simplifies it a bit, though knowing not to focus tanks is even more imperative on Jhin, I suppose.

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Hopped onto the PBE to try out Smoulder in the practice tool.

    Something worth noting is that his Q is a point & click spell and not a skill-shot. The closest thing I can think to compare to it is a Annie Q, except without the refund. I'm not going to pretend to say I know exactly what good itemization on him will be, but something that gives mana back will probably help since he'll want to be casting it a ton to get stacks. He *is* a caster marksman like Ez, so maybe a Tear? IDK.

    Also note that once the Q starts exploding, all minions killed by the explosions give you stacks too. So using the explosions to clear waves is still beneficial to you. Caster minions are basically snacks om nom nom.

    The W feels like it goes a little farther than the cast bar indicates, and the orb seems to linger for a little bit at the end.

    The ult feels pretty good? It's not the most damaging thing, but it's hard to miss and I feel like the slow could help your team chase down the targets. Snap it off and use it when you get the chance.

    Quickblades seems pretty decent to keep your cooldowns rolling, especially on the E.

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHhqwBwmRkI

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    Kindred remains the coolest character design in the game, by far

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