At the very least you could probably score a job as a coach for IMT
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Is.....is......is fiddle support...good?
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it's fine, his base damages are insane and he has a point and click fear.
utterly annihilated by anyone with a spammable stun like leona, but leona sucks now so it's fine.
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it's fine, his base damages are insane and he has a point and click fear.
utterly annihilated by anyone with a spammable stun like leona, but leona sucks now so it's fine.
Yeah, he weirdly works extremely well vs enchanters and is decent peel from dive, but I don't wanna try him into naut or leona really. EDIT: Or braum, the two times a year I see braum.
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naut is probably fine as long as you wait out the hook, since his root won't stop you from doing any fiddlesticks stuff, only hook and ult which are pretty long cds.
rell and leona with their spammable qs is probably the scariest, since even if you wait them out, there's a decent chance they'll be up again before your w snaps. but rell exists even less than braum lol
He also probably gets dumped on pretty hard by people like lux or xerath. longer range and as support you aren't going to be able to lifesteal back up off the wave without taking all the cs
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fiddle's succ on minions is kinda whatever now anyway after the 1000 nerfs caused by solo lane fiddle.
apparently he does well into lux but bad into xerath, i assume because xerath has a stun and lux doesn't? fiddle can probably 100-0 most lanes without a stun with a RW combo.
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He also probably gets dumped on pretty hard by people like lux or xerath. longer range and as support you aren't going to be able to lifesteal back up off the wave without taking all the cs
I generally stop the drain if I think the W finishing will kill the wave. Otherwise if I do it to a fully healthy wave then it's not going to die.
fiddle's succ on minions is kinda whatever now anyway after the 1000 nerfs caused by solo lane fiddle.
apparently he does well into lux but bad into xerath, i assume because xerath has a stun and lux doesn't? fiddle can probably 100-0 most lanes without a stun with a RW combo.
Xerath is the longest range poke champ for sup that I can think of. Lux is more predictable and has to get closer.
I take glacial Augment on fid sup so it takes care of some of these issues.
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Yeah, the thing that is really making this work is how bad people at the plat ELO are at playing around the fiddle ult. SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER IT'S FIDDLESTICKS and catching 3+ people in an ult generally wins games.
That and the complete and utter vision control.
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they need to send naafiri back to the drawing board. she's like the most useless champion ever unless the opponent midlaner decides to donate a few kills early at which point she's an unstoppable point and click reset machine that cannot be beaten unless she goes afk.
my neeko went 0/3 in 6 minutes, quit the game, and even though we got their adc to quit we just lost to point and click the champion, even poppy insta-canceling her W and E it just doesn't matter. she gets one item early and nobody can play the game anymore. and then in high elo she's the most turbo useless f tier champion ever made. it's old yi/amumu syndrome all over again and it's crazy they intentionally designed a champ like this.
edit; yea this season is just fuckin' rough man, idk what is happening but like
this is such a representative sample of my games that i feel like they fucked the ranks up, i can't win to save my life unless i 1v9 before my lanes decide to gigafeed everyone.
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Anyone have suggestions for a source of good overall strategy videos? Like preferably a pro/ex pro coach/ex coach that talks about meta changes and overall strategy?
I have a teacher friend that got put in place to coach their esports teams and he is looking for some good resources to brush up and do some overall learning to help the kids.
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Yeah, the thing that is really making this work is how bad people at the plat ELO are at playing around the fiddle ult. SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER IT'S FIDDLESTICKS and catching 3+ people in an ult generally wins games.
That and the complete and utter vision control.
And now for the nice update to this:
After 69 games I can say that A: This actually does legitimately work, but you are very reliant on your team playing around your kit and taking your openings pre-6 carefully. If they use their CC (or have none in bot) then you have a free W which beats *checks notes* basically everything.
You get insane vision control, insane objective control, and insane team fight potential. This shit is nasty.
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I'm at the point where my last rank was Gold IV over a year and a bit ago but my normals are literally plat players usually.
Which considering I'm a fill player feels perfect even if no one will respect 'theoretically in the top 40% of the player base in every role (don't make me play mid)' as a thing.
I've been trying out Kayle and it's fun! But feels so much less consistent in most games than like, a Garen or Trynd unless I can pull out a couple of kills early to get an advantage to farm safely until 6. Luckily a lot of people assume they can all-in at level 1 because she's supposed to be super weak until 6, but as it turns out taking E first gives you more damage than uhhh anyone else at level 1.
I've been trying out Kayle and it's fun! But feels so much less consistent in most games than like, a Garen or Trynd unless I can pull out a couple of kills early to get an advantage to farm safely until 6. Luckily a lot of people assume they can all-in at level 1 because she's supposed to be super weak until 6, but as it turns out taking E first gives you more damage than uhhh anyone else at level 1.
E first, ignite and lethal tempo ifbyou think they'll go for the kill/press the attack if you think they'll run. Win every level 1
I've been trying out Kayle and it's fun! But feels so much less consistent in most games than like, a Garen or Trynd unless I can pull out a couple of kills early to get an advantage to farm safely until 6. Luckily a lot of people assume they can all-in at level 1 because she's supposed to be super weak until 6, but as it turns out taking E first gives you more damage than uhhh anyone else at level 1.
In general picking Kayle is picking to play for 35 minutes. She's kinda linear in that regard.
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Been just getting back into the game past couple weeks, catching up on the uh, 6 years of champs I missed? Anyway, I think Ornn is maybe my favorite champ right now. He's just so good and so fun.
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Been just getting back into the game past couple weeks, catching up on the uh, 6 years of champs I missed? Anyway, I think Ornn is maybe my favorite champ right now. He's just so good and so fun.
Ornn is fun!
I am a trash top laner though because I don't ward or look at my mini-map and must rely on 1v2ing the enemy jungler + my laner so I get set back frequently.
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I've been curious how viable Ornn is as a jungler or support.
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i would imagine ornn's biggest problems with not-solo lanes is just getting the xp he needs. he's really xp reliant as a tank because so much of his late game tankyness comes from being a gigantic ball of stats since he doesn't have any healing or shielding, and those stats come from his upgrades, which he needs levels for.
I've been curious how viable Ornn is as a jungler or support.
Support is okay-ish. Jungle I'd have to check clears, but I suspect W makes it all right. He's better solo lane, though.
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Ornn sup works great, actually
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simply run ornn support with nilah for the bonus XP
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i feel legit cursed, idk what i'm supposed to do anymore. team gives up 2-3 kills before i'm level 3 most times, and like, every single game the enemy bot laner has 6 kills before i have my ult, and you can't even gank them anymore early if their lane state is good because they'll just turn on you and kill you before your team can do anything with how nerfed everything in jungle is and the ludicrously overbuffed dorans items.
literally the only influence i have on the game is the blame from my team that it's my fault no matter what happens. and people wonder why nobody wants to play jungle man.
i feel legit cursed, idk what i'm supposed to do anymore. team gives up 2-3 kills before i'm level 3 most times, and like, every single game the enemy bot laner has 6 kills before i have my ult, and you can't even gank them anymore early if their lane state is good because they'll just turn on you and kill you before your team can do anything with how nerfed everything in jungle is and the ludicrously overbuffed dorans items.
literally the only influence i have on the game is the blame from my team that it's my fault no matter what happens. and people wonder why nobody wants to play jungle man.
Play Yi. Or Graves. Or any of the hard farm carry junglers.
Be selfish. Farm up a storm and leave those laners to die.
i feel legit cursed, idk what i'm supposed to do anymore. team gives up 2-3 kills before i'm level 3 most times, and like, every single game the enemy bot laner has 6 kills before i have my ult, and you can't even gank them anymore early if their lane state is good because they'll just turn on you and kill you before your team can do anything with how nerfed everything in jungle is and the ludicrously overbuffed dorans items.
literally the only influence i have on the game is the blame from my team that it's my fault no matter what happens. and people wonder why nobody wants to play jungle man.
Play Yi. Or Graves. Or any of the hard farm carry junglers.
Be selfish. Farm up a storm and leave those laners to die.
i mean i play lillia, def how it's supposed to work.
but there's only so much you can do with how absolutely nerfed jungle xp and gold is these days, and usually by the time i'm hitting my 2 item spike and can start to carry there's a 15 kill bot laner running around oneshotting everyone or a jax who literally cannot be killed.
idk, obviously in a 5 on 5 game you're going to get team gapped sometimes, but so many of my games feel over before i even get to play.
one of the most freelo champs that nobody wants to play. which surprised me, especially with how strong she is, but i guess bot laners are actually just marksman players, which is why the mage/non-traditional bots just don't have high pickrates despite their sky high winrates.
one of the most freelo champs that nobody wants to play. which surprised me, especially with how strong she is, but i guess bot laners are actually just marksman players, which is why the mage/non-traditional bots just don't have high pickrates despite their sky high winrates.
yeah I mean--if you play adc you're looking for a certain experience and it ain't nilah and it ain't ziggs or veigar or swain or karthus or yasuo.
I do play Nilah sometimes (...pretty much only when a support picks yuumi, cause I kinda hate playing with yuumi but of course nilah/yuumi is quite strong) but it's so different to have to all-in as adc--all your skills around skillshots and poking are just irrelevant. It draws more on my Diana skills than anything else, both in lane and in a teamfight. And that's like...fine...but you can easily see why someone who likes to play adc doesn't necessarily enjoy playing Nilah. I love her visual design and her voice so I am sometimes tempted to play her more, but it's not a playstyle that I love. And it's way more important for me to play something fun than to play something with the highest winrate statistically for the playerbase.
played 2 games today, 2 people on my team each time tilted off the god damned planet earth and ran it down in games that we were winning.
like, i wish riot would do less to stop people saying fuck in a game with profanity filters and more to stop people from fucking ruining a billion games because there's no penalty for afk splitting forever even if you're renata fucking glasc.
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Having watched LCS this split I'm not so sure about that tbh.
Is.....is......is fiddle support...good?
utterly annihilated by anyone with a spammable stun like leona, but leona sucks now so it's fine.
Yeah, he weirdly works extremely well vs enchanters and is decent peel from dive, but I don't wanna try him into naut or leona really. EDIT: Or braum, the two times a year I see braum.
rell and leona with their spammable qs is probably the scariest, since even if you wait them out, there's a decent chance they'll be up again before your w snaps. but rell exists even less than braum lol
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apparently he does well into lux but bad into xerath, i assume because xerath has a stun and lux doesn't? fiddle can probably 100-0 most lanes without a stun with a RW combo.
I generally stop the drain if I think the W finishing will kill the wave. Otherwise if I do it to a fully healthy wave then it's not going to die.
Xerath is the longest range poke champ for sup that I can think of. Lux is more predictable and has to get closer.
I take glacial Augment on fid sup so it takes care of some of these issues.
Yeah, the thing that is really making this work is how bad people at the plat ELO are at playing around the fiddle ult. SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER IT'S FIDDLESTICKS and catching 3+ people in an ult generally wins games.
That and the complete and utter vision control.
my neeko went 0/3 in 6 minutes, quit the game, and even though we got their adc to quit we just lost to point and click the champion, even poppy insta-canceling her W and E it just doesn't matter. she gets one item early and nobody can play the game anymore. and then in high elo she's the most turbo useless f tier champion ever made. it's old yi/amumu syndrome all over again and it's crazy they intentionally designed a champ like this.
edit; yea this season is just fuckin' rough man, idk what is happening but like
this is such a representative sample of my games that i feel like they fucked the ranks up, i can't win to save my life unless i 1v9 before my lanes decide to gigafeed everyone.
I have a teacher friend that got put in place to coach their esports teams and he is looking for some good resources to brush up and do some overall learning to help the kids.
Thanks in advance!
And now for the nice update to this:
After 69 games I can say that A: This actually does legitimately work, but you are very reliant on your team playing around your kit and taking your openings pre-6 carefully. If they use their CC (or have none in bot) then you have a free W which beats *checks notes* basically everything.
You get insane vision control, insane objective control, and insane team fight potential. This shit is nasty.
Oh man, that ult is going to cause some shenanigans ain't it.
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Which considering I'm a fill player feels perfect even if no one will respect 'theoretically in the top 40% of the player base in every role (don't make me play mid)' as a thing.
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E first, ignite and lethal tempo ifbyou think they'll go for the kill/press the attack if you think they'll run. Win every level 1
It's that level 2-5 part that's a problem
In general picking Kayle is picking to play for 35 minutes. She's kinda linear in that regard.
Ornn is fun!
I am a trash top laner though because I don't ward or look at my mini-map and must rely on 1v2ing the enemy jungler + my laner so I get set back frequently.
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Support is okay-ish. Jungle I'd have to check clears, but I suspect W makes it all right. He's better solo lane, though.
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I need this thread to keep in mind that the source of this post is a dude who got carried by said Akshan support as his bot lane partner.
Look, you gotta get value out of that W passive
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i feel legit cursed, idk what i'm supposed to do anymore. team gives up 2-3 kills before i'm level 3 most times, and like, every single game the enemy bot laner has 6 kills before i have my ult, and you can't even gank them anymore early if their lane state is good because they'll just turn on you and kill you before your team can do anything with how nerfed everything in jungle is and the ludicrously overbuffed dorans items.
literally the only influence i have on the game is the blame from my team that it's my fault no matter what happens. and people wonder why nobody wants to play jungle man.
Play Yi. Or Graves. Or any of the hard farm carry junglers.
Be selfish. Farm up a storm and leave those laners to die.
i mean i play lillia, def how it's supposed to work.
but there's only so much you can do with how absolutely nerfed jungle xp and gold is these days, and usually by the time i'm hitting my 2 item spike and can start to carry there's a 15 kill bot laner running around oneshotting everyone or a jax who literally cannot be killed.
idk, obviously in a 5 on 5 game you're going to get team gapped sometimes, but so many of my games feel over before i even get to play.
"Simply partner with a Nilah OTP," is actually the fantasy of every support player.
one of the most freelo champs that nobody wants to play. which surprised me, especially with how strong she is, but i guess bot laners are actually just marksman players, which is why the mage/non-traditional bots just don't have high pickrates despite their sky high winrates.
yeah I mean--if you play adc you're looking for a certain experience and it ain't nilah and it ain't ziggs or veigar or swain or karthus or yasuo.
I do play Nilah sometimes (...pretty much only when a support picks yuumi, cause I kinda hate playing with yuumi but of course nilah/yuumi is quite strong) but it's so different to have to all-in as adc--all your skills around skillshots and poking are just irrelevant. It draws more on my Diana skills than anything else, both in lane and in a teamfight. And that's like...fine...but you can easily see why someone who likes to play adc doesn't necessarily enjoy playing Nilah. I love her visual design and her voice so I am sometimes tempted to play her more, but it's not a playstyle that I love. And it's way more important for me to play something fun than to play something with the highest winrate statistically for the playerbase.
like, i wish riot would do less to stop people saying fuck in a game with profanity filters and more to stop people from fucking ruining a billion games because there's no penalty for afk splitting forever even if you're renata fucking glasc.