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Against Everyone’s Better Judgement The [Movie] Thread is Open

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    GR_Zombie wrote: »
    I’m struggling to identify any Christian ideals in Nightmare on Elm Street, but it’s been a few years.

    Lay in a bed whilst having impure thoughts, die instantly and terribly

    Man if having a wet dream is a death sentence, we'd have never made it to tool use.

    Prove we're not all dead and in hell, I dare you

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    PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    GR_Zombie wrote: »
    I’m struggling to identify any Christian ideals in Nightmare on Elm Street, but it’s been a few years.

    Lay in a bed whilst having impure thoughts, die instantly and terribly

    Man if having a wet dream is a death sentence, we'd have never made it to tool use.

    Prove we're not all dead and in hell, I dare you

    We still have dogs?

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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    And as the Bible teaches us, all dogs go to Heaven, therefore

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    GR_Zombie wrote: »
    I’m struggling to identify any Christian ideals in Nightmare on Elm Street, but it’s been a few years.

    Lay in a bed whilst having impure thoughts, die instantly and terribly

    Man if having a wet dream is a death sentence, we'd have never made it to tool use.

    Prove we're not all dead and in hell, I dare you

    We still have dogs?

    Dogs were left here as a trick by the devil to test us
    Moriveth wrote: »
    And as the Bible teaches us, all dogs go to Heaven, therefore

    This is part of his dark propaganda

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    GR_Zombie wrote: »
    I’m struggling to identify any Christian ideals in Nightmare on Elm Street, but it’s been a few years.

    Lay in a bed whilst having impure thoughts, die instantly and terribly

    Man if having a wet dream is a death sentence, we'd have never made it to tool use.

    Well, multiple tool use, anyways

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    Has there been a movie with a more false title than All Dogs Go to Heaven?

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    TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    Has there been a movie with a more false title than All Dogs Go to Heaven?

    We just talked about Fantastic Beasts on the previous page.

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    astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    Freddy doesn’t get religious until part 3 and then gets weirdly pro-life in part 5.

    There is some Christian imagery in 1, but he’s actually defeated with Balinese Hinduism. Hell, he even explicitly mocks Tina’s appeal to God. Craven had a complicated relationship with Christian faith.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    Has there been a movie with a more false title than All Dogs Go to Heaven?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Gvzbgul wrote: »
    Has there been a movie with a more false title than All Dogs Go to Heaven?

    Isn’t the point that all dogs do go to heaven initially, but if they go back then they can go to hell

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    They are all good dogs Brent.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    GR_Zombie wrote: »
    I’m struggling to identify any Christian ideals in Nightmare on Elm Street, but it’s been a few years.

    There is a lot of subtext background stuff in 1 3 4 5 and 6 from coming back from the dead. The mob justice of death though fire and other things
    I just remember from long ago it was part of a discussion of how a lot of horror movies have religionist tones in them
    Like the trope of pre martial sex = death

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    You can watch Birdbox and Two Popes on Netflix without an account now. Remember 2018, when the Birdbox challenge seemed like one of the dumbest things people would do? Good times

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    It seems wild to me that there is a discussion on Christianity's influence and display going on right now about all of the Nightmare on Elm Street films except for the second one.

    I wonder what the second one's connection to conservative Christianity in America could be....

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Man, I have a kooky idea for horror movies.

    How about...an ORIGINAL IP

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    KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    Wow. Amazing. Nobody makes original horror these days :?

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Ketar wrote: »
    Wow. Amazing. Nobody makes original horror these days :?

    There’s SOME. But there could be a lot more if they stop remaking everything.

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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    Look, there are only so many ghosts

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    There are so many ghosts

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    there has always been and there will always be too many remakes; you are just finally old enough that the majority of what is being remade is stuff you were already familiar with

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Ketar wrote: »
    Wow. Amazing. Nobody makes original horror these days :?

    There’s SOME. But there could be a lot more if they stop remaking everything.

    Okay but, hear me out, could there?

    Or is the remake engine an important part of keeping the genre thriving?

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    Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    honestly the parts of the first Fantastic Beasts where it's just autistic-coded Newt Scamander running around with the titular Beasts were like, some of the most relatable, aimed-squarely-at-me media ever produced

    shame about the rest of the film and the franchise since then

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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    There are so many ghosts

    Of course a shill for Big Spooky would tell us that

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    what if there was a ghost that only haunted

    people's butts

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    There are so many ghosts

    Horror film from the perspective of ghosts, who are just trying to live their life after death, and humans come in and fucking murder them because they are terrified by the mere existence of the ghosts.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    There are so many ghosts

    Horror film from the perspective of ghosts, who are just trying to live their life after death, and humans come in and fucking murder them because they are terrified by the mere existence of the ghosts.

    that's just The Others + Ghostbusters!

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    NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    There are so many ghosts

    Horror film from the perspective of ghosts, who are just trying to live their life after death, and humans come in and fucking murder them because they are terrified by the mere existence of the ghosts.

    So a slightly more aggressive Beetlejuice

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    what if there was a ghost that only haunted

    people's butts

    s'poopy.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    There are so many ghosts

    I believe Tony Shaloub established there are 13 ghosts

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    KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    Fantastic Beast was the first movie I seen that made Dan Fogler bearable, so it has that at least.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Ketar wrote: »
    Wow. Amazing. Nobody makes original horror these days :?

    There’s SOME. But there could be a lot more if they stop remaking everything.

    Okay but, hear me out, could there?

    Or is the remake engine an important part of keeping the genre thriving?

    I have nothing specifically against remakes. Just feels like they keep remaking the remakes these days.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Right, what I'm saying is that remakes are worth a lot of money. Some of that is box office numbers, and some of that is fake theoretical money, but the fact of the matter is that remakes or continuations of existing IPs are worth a lot of money to someone.

    And I won't pretend to understand any sort of Hollywood accounting, but if your production company gets investors or box office numbers or whatever based on their newest remake of a classic horror franchise, then they will have that money to potentially fund additional movies - maybe those will also be remakes, but maybe they will be new and original IPs.

    Similarly for directors, who might be trusted more with their original vision (or trusted with more of the money that they need to make their original vision) after they do a good job of remaking a big familiar property.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    There are so many ghosts

    I believe Tony Shaloub established there are 13 ghosts

    He was just building on Vincent van Ghoul's work though

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Narbus wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    There are so many ghosts

    Horror film from the perspective of ghosts, who are just trying to live their life after death, and humans come in and fucking murder them because they are terrified by the mere existence of the ghosts.

    So a slightly more aggressive Beetlejuice

    yeah, that's totally Beetlejuice.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Right, what I'm saying is that remakes are worth a lot of money. Some of that is box office numbers, and some of that is fake theoretical money, but the fact of the matter is that remakes or continuations of existing IPs are worth a lot of money to someone.

    And I won't pretend to understand any sort of Hollywood accounting, but if your production company gets investors or box office numbers or whatever based on their newest remake of a classic horror franchise, then they will have that money to potentially fund additional movies - maybe those will also be remakes, but maybe they will be new and original IPs.

    Similarly for directors, who might be trusted more with their original vision (or trusted with more of the money that they need to make their original vision) after they do a good job of remaking a big familiar property.

    It makes sense. You need to have the sure fire easy money makers so you can make the risky original pieces.

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    astrobstrdastrobstrd So full of mercy... Registered User regular
    You also get people with fresh takes on an idea with genuine love for the material. I think each remake needs to be met on its own terms. Suspiria, Satan's Slaves, The Thing, The Fly, etc. all work.

    Also, people who think there aren't original horror ideas aren't paying attention to horror. This is a thrilling time to be a fan.

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    PoorochondriacPoorochondriac Ah, man Ah, jeezRegistered User regular
    Yeah, people who think there isn't enough original horror should proooooobably get a Shudder subscription

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited September 2020
    I sincerely can't think of a time in my life I've loved horror more than the last six years of output (years are per Wiki lists and/or Letterboxd, sorry if a film is in the wrong year when it came to a certain country)

    2014: Babadook; A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night; It Follows; Under the Skin
    2015: Crimson Peak; The Witch; Ex Machina; We Are Still Here
    2016: Train to Busan; Raw; Ouija Origin of Evil; Hush; The Eyes of My Mother; Antibirth; Autopsy of Jane Doe; Lights Out; The Love Witch; 10 Cloverfield Lane
    2017: Annabelle Creation; Get Out; Happy Death Day; Killing of a Sacred Deer; Cult of Chucky; mother!
    2018: Annihilation; Suspiria 2018; The First Purge; Halloween 2018; Hereditary; In Fabric; Climax; Upgrade; Unsane; Summer of 84
    2019: Midsommar; Ready or Not; The Lighthouse; Doctor Sleep; Happy Death Day 2U; The Perfection; Bliss; Crawl; Color out of Space; Us; One Cut of the Dead
    This year so far: The Invisible Man; She Dies Tomorrow; The Assistant; The Lodge; Relic; Host; Horse Girl; Vivarium; The Other Lamb; Bit

    Even the years that didn't have much like 2014 and 2015, what we got was so good the quality more than made up for the output. And from 2018 on it feels like we've gotten a more-than-healthy amount of both. 55 films that I remembered, saw, and felt were worth listing as my immediate highlights from the period, and only ten are remakes and/or sequels

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    KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    I sincerely can't think of a time in my life I've loved horror more than the last six years of output (years are per Wiki lists and/or Letterboxd, sorry if a film is in the wrong year when it came to a certain country)

    2014: Babadook; A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night; It Follows; Under the Skin
    2015: Crimson Peak; The Witch; Ex Machina; We Are Still Here
    2016: Train to Busan; Raw; Ouija Origin of Evil; Hush; The Eyes of My Mother; Antibirth; Autopsy of Jane Doe; Lights Out; The Love Witch; 10 Cloverfield Lane
    2017: Annabelle Creation; Get Out; Happy Death Day; Killing of a Sacred Deer; Cult of Chucky; mother!
    2018: Annihilation; Suspiria 2018; The First Purge; Halloween 2018; Hereditary; In Fabric; Climax; Upgrade; Unsane; Summer of 84
    2019: Midsommar; Ready or Not; The Lighthouse; Doctor Sleep; Happy Death Day 2U; The Perfection; Bliss; Crawl; Color out of Space; Us
    This year so far: The Invisible Man; She Dies Tomorrow; The Lodge; Relic; Host; Horse Girl; Vivarium; The Other Lamb; Bit

    Even the years that didn't have much like 2014 and 2015, what we got was so good the quality more than made up for the output. And from 2018 on it feels like we've gotten a more-than-healthy amount of both. 53 films that I remembered, saw, and felt were worth listing as my immediate highlights from the period, and only ten are remakes and/or sequels

    It's a shame that this entire post has to be disregarded because it left out One Cut of the Dead.


    Action!

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    I get pumped reading someone else's list like that because there is so much I disagree with or feel was left out and even without putting together my own list that makes it deeply exciting to me.

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