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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    I haven't dipped into twewy 2 yet

    I played the first one for the first time a couple years ago and I really liked the story up until the ending
    Joshua fuckin sucks, and I hate that the ending is you, apparently, convincing him to change his mind about destroying the city

    He didn't have the right to make that choice in the first place

    If ever there was a jrpg that should've ended with you attacking and dethroning god it was the world ends with you

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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    I haven't dipped into twewy 2 yet

    I played the first one for the first time a couple years ago and I really liked the story up until the ending
    Joshua fuckin sucks, and I hate that the ending is you, apparently, convincing him to change his mind about destroying the city

    He didn't have the right to make that choice in the first place

    If ever there was a jrpg that should've ended with you attacking and dethroning god it was the world ends with you
    Yeah. The secret reports talk a big game about the Composer’s actions being born of “boundless love”, but come on. Joshua was willing to erase an entire city, Sodom and Gomorrah-style, for the crime of... what? Being too chaotic? Having too many conflicting ideals?

    One of the secret reports says that Shibuya has now become what they call an ideal parallel world, but how much has it actually changed? Megumi wanted to force the city to change, but that was a drastic measure to forestall Joshua’s hand, and it was undone in the end. Neku and his partners changed for the better, but while that’s significant, it’s not on the scale of the city itself changing, is it?

    I get that Neku’s transformation is significant. He goes from a kid who would murder someone who’s saved his life, for the chance to save his own skin, to someone who can’t bring himself to take revenge on someone who literally murdered him, because of how touching his fake sacrifice was(?). And to see the “worst” person in Shibuya value others so strongly was moving to him. But like. Joshua still planned to wipe out the city, and still believes he had the right to make that decision. That’s fucked up. I get that Neku’s personal journey has to culminate in the hardest possible version of “trust your partner”; trusting him to make the right decision and not destroy everything you love. But there’s got to be a point where you get to say “no, my partner is going to kill us all, and the right thing to do is to actively stop him.”

    The one thing that keeps Hanekoma from being complicit is the final Secret Report.

    (Final secret report)
    In which, Hanekoma reveals that he was undermining Joshua the entire time; setting up Minamimoto as a last resort, allowing his Taboo Noise sigil to work, and throwing his support behind Neku to make the decisions that would sway Joshua.

    The fact that Joshua needed to be swayed is still fucked, though.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    I haven't dipped into twewy 2 yet

    I played the first one for the first time a couple years ago and I really liked the story up until the ending
    Joshua fuckin sucks, and I hate that the ending is you, apparently, convincing him to change his mind about destroying the city

    He didn't have the right to make that choice in the first place

    If ever there was a jrpg that should've ended with you attacking and dethroning god it was the world ends with you
    Yeah. The secret reports talk a big game about the Composer’s actions being born of “boundless love”, but come on. Joshua was willing to erase an entire city, Sodom and Gomorrah-style, for the crime of... what? Being too chaotic? Having too many conflicting ideals?

    One of the secret reports says that Shibuya has now become what they call an ideal parallel world, but how much has it actually changed? Megumi wanted to force the city to change, but that was a drastic measure to forestall Joshua’s hand, and it was undone in the end. Neku and his partners changed for the better, but while that’s significant, it’s not on the scale of the city itself changing, is it?

    I get that Neku’s transformation is significant. He goes from a kid who would murder someone who’s saved his life, for the chance to save his own skin, to someone who can’t bring himself to take revenge on someone who literally murdered him, because of how touching his fake sacrifice was(?). And to see the “worst” person in Shibuya value others so strongly was moving to him. But like. Joshua still planned to wipe out the city, and still believes he had the right to make that decision. That’s fucked up. I get that Neku’s personal journey has to culminate in the hardest possible version of “trust your partner”; trusting him to make the right decision and not destroy everything you love. But there’s got to be a point where you get to say “no, my partner is going to kill us all, and the right thing to do is to actively stop him.”

    The one thing that keeps Hanekoma from being complicit is the final Secret Report.

    (Final secret report)
    In which, Hanekoma reveals that he was undermining Joshua the entire time; setting up Minamimoto as a last resort, allowing his Taboo Noise sigil to work, and throwing his support behind Neku to make the decisions that would sway Joshua.

    The fact that Joshua needed to be swayed is still fucked, though.

    The secret stuff really doesn't do much for me regardless
    hanekoma isn't a piece of shit like Joshua is, but he still shouldn't have authority over whether the city lives or dies

    The ending I really wanted to see was you teaming up with the two main reapers to stage a revolt to liberate the city from the angels altogether

    The reapers' final Convo is basically them talking about forming a union, about how they feel unappreciated and oppressed even though on paper they love their jobs, and how they have the right to be happy

    And then that's it, no more dialogue from them, they get turned into zombies same as everyone

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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    Enlong wrote: »
    I haven't dipped into twewy 2 yet

    I played the first one for the first time a couple years ago and I really liked the story up until the ending
    Joshua fuckin sucks, and I hate that the ending is you, apparently, convincing him to change his mind about destroying the city

    He didn't have the right to make that choice in the first place

    If ever there was a jrpg that should've ended with you attacking and dethroning god it was the world ends with you
    Yeah. The secret reports talk a big game about the Composer’s actions being born of “boundless love”, but come on. Joshua was willing to erase an entire city, Sodom and Gomorrah-style, for the crime of... what? Being too chaotic? Having too many conflicting ideals?

    One of the secret reports says that Shibuya has now become what they call an ideal parallel world, but how much has it actually changed? Megumi wanted to force the city to change, but that was a drastic measure to forestall Joshua’s hand, and it was undone in the end. Neku and his partners changed for the better, but while that’s significant, it’s not on the scale of the city itself changing, is it?

    I get that Neku’s transformation is significant. He goes from a kid who would murder someone who’s saved his life, for the chance to save his own skin, to someone who can’t bring himself to take revenge on someone who literally murdered him, because of how touching his fake sacrifice was(?). And to see the “worst” person in Shibuya value others so strongly was moving to him. But like. Joshua still planned to wipe out the city, and still believes he had the right to make that decision. That’s fucked up. I get that Neku’s personal journey has to culminate in the hardest possible version of “trust your partner”; trusting him to make the right decision and not destroy everything you love. But there’s got to be a point where you get to say “no, my partner is going to kill us all, and the right thing to do is to actively stop him.”

    The one thing that keeps Hanekoma from being complicit is the final Secret Report.

    (Final secret report)
    In which, Hanekoma reveals that he was undermining Joshua the entire time; setting up Minamimoto as a last resort, allowing his Taboo Noise sigil to work, and throwing his support behind Neku to make the decisions that would sway Joshua.

    The fact that Joshua needed to be swayed is still fucked, though.

    The secret stuff really doesn't do much for me regardless
    hanekoma isn't a piece of shit like Joshua is, but he still shouldn't have authority over whether the city lives or dies

    The ending I really wanted to see was you teaming up with the two main reapers to stage a revolt to liberate the city from the angels altogether

    The reapers' final Convo is basically them talking about forming a union, about how they feel unappreciated and oppressed even though on paper they love their jobs, and how they have the right to be happy

    And then that's it, no more dialogue from them, they get turned into zombies same as everyone
    Yeah, that's a fair point. We also get all this talk from various characters (Minamimoto, Beat, Konishi even) about overthrowing the current Composer and changing the system in one way or another. But then it turns out that everyone sorely underestimated the kind of power Joshua actually wields, and none of them were ever a true threat to his position, so that just kinda... stops when he reveals himself. There's something rather unsatisfying about Joshua getting to skate out of the story without an actual fight, and keeping his position, even if he's decided that apocalypses aren't his style anymore.

    I mean, I guess that's what you get when you're setting up a character as having effectively the power of a god, and actually making him as powerful as that entails; the characters who are working on the level of human psychics aren't even going to be able to touch that. But it definitely still feels like Joshua gets off for way too much, on the grounds of "well, his methods are ineffable, and you can't stop him anyway, lol."

    Except, if this series shows me anything about its afterlife organization, it's that all these supposed "higher beings" are as flawed and human as mortal schmucks. Reapers basically are just guys with day jobs that happen to involve psychopomp duties and finding who gets reincarnated and who moves onto something higher. The god of the local area is a jackass who doesn't act alien enough to be some ineffable god. And the local angel runs a coffee shop and has really down-to-earth ideas about living life.

    One additional thing about Hanekoma though. You say he shouldn't have authority over whether the city lives or dies. And the last secret report reveals that he kinda doesn't have that authority. He reveals that he is the "fallen angel" he was talking about in the reports. His actions to spoil Joshua's Game with Megumi have branded him an outcast, because he apparently isn't supposed to actually interfere with the choices of his Composer, in the way he did. So he goes and gets himself declared an outcast by the other angels, including alt-universe versions of himself, because he doesn't agree with Joshua doing what he's doing.

    Enlong on
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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    TWEWY is a lot closer in worldbuilding to something like SMT than Final Fantasy.

    Its supernatural elements aren't fair or just. I don't really have an issue with that.

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    Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    I wanna finish up NEO TWEWY and talk about it but

    Mid-week 3
    Suzy K keeps kicking my teeth in on his second health bar

    Also I never played Final Remix so I have no clue who Coco is or why that mysterious girl from the teaser at the end of the iOS port is trapped in Mr. Mew

    Other than some mild confusion, I’m really liking how the story is rounding into shape, though

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    I wanna finish up NEO TWEWY and talk about it but

    Mid-week 3
    Suzy K keeps kicking my teeth in on his second health bar

    Also I never played Final Remix so I have no clue who Coco is or why that mysterious girl from the teaser at the end of the iOS port is trapped in Mr. Mew

    Other than some mild confusion, I’m really liking how the story is rounding into shape, though

    Boss spoilers
    Try cycling targets.

    Story wise
    Having only played the original DS version, I think Tsugumi and Coco get sufficiently explained to follow the story. That said, some of it is after where you're at now wrt Tsugumi.

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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    I wonder if any of these scramble slams will ever include a team taking territory away from me or if it's just a lose story justification to make me spend a day just clearing noise from the whole map

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    Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    A story justification to do random mob battles or other drudgery? In TWEWY? Never.

    Anyway I could answer your question but you have to wear a full outfit of Gato Nero before I’ll talk

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    A story justification to do random mob battles or other drudgery? In TWEWY? Never.

    Anyway I could answer your question but you have to wear a full outfit of Gato Nero before I’ll talk

    I love that the Brand Ambassador piece for Gatto Nero is a variation on Shiki's hat from TWEWY.

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    PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    I wanna finish up NEO TWEWY and talk about it but

    Mid-week 3
    Suzy K keeps kicking my teeth in on his second health bar

    Also I never played Final Remix so I have no clue who Coco is or why that mysterious girl from the teaser at the end of the iOS port is trapped in Mr. Mew

    Other than some mild confusion, I’m really liking how the story is rounding into shape, though

    That girl did not appear in Final Remix beyond the same teaser image as the mobile version. There is no previous explanation that you have missed.

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    WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    I haven't gotten as far along in NEO TWEWY as I would have expected. I'm only in mid-week 2. I blame the severe psychic damage inflicted on me by Scramble Slam.
    The first time I spent hours and hours painstakingly optimizing my multiplier gains by downranking my pins only to realize in the very last area that you can, in fact, chain Noise and player battles together, completely obliterating my efforts.

    And then in the second one I got maybe an area and a half in before coming to full grips with the fact that I was going to have to do something like 20 10-chain battles, deliberately weakening my pins and tactics to optimize multipliers, probably redoing most of them 2-3 times due to being torn apart by wolves, and even after easily 5-6 hours of this I still had no way of knowing whether or not the game was going to go "whoops, sorry, you actually needed to have 15-chains unlocked to have any chance at the top score; now do it again from scratch." I had to force myself to give up before I ended up rage-quitting the game entirely.

    If there's a third I'm not going to even look at the rewards until post-game.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    i can tell you right now don't even try to get the scramble things until after you've beaten the game

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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    That's where I'm at now. Like I'm gonna chain still because I need money but not any of the nonsense for prizes

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    i can tell you right now don't even try to get the scramble things until after you've beaten the game

    It's actually really reasonable to get the third one the first time through because the score targets are so low. You can nail it in like, two or three chains.

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    Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    NEO TWEWY final day
    After I beat Shiba, just as Kubo said “be prepared for a future you didn’t see coming!” my game crashed

    It was so perfectly timed I thought for a second it might be some sort of fake-crash thing

    Thankfully, the game auto saves as soon as you beat a boss, and picks up right from the cutscene after

    That was a huge relief

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    I do wish the game had more original music and less remixes from the first game, but the original music is still really good:

    (Spoiler for W3 D7 boss music)
    Combat wise, it's a good adaptation of the original combat system's feel but I do have some issues with it, the biggest one being the camera and all the visibility issues it causes. (especially in a bunch of the boss fights in the latter half)

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    Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    This may be a little late, but do you guys want to make a TWEWY thread?

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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    There is one.

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    PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    There is one.

    There is? I've just been posting in the JRPG thread.

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    Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    Pokemon Direct next wednesday
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    Tune in to our YouTube channel on Wednesday, August 18, 2021, at 6:00 a.m. PDT for a #PokemonPresents video presentation featuring #PokemonBrilliantDiamond, #PokemonShiningPearl, and #PokemonLegendsArceus!

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    All scramble slams clear. Good riddance. Second one takes way too long, even when you've got it rigged to nail 10k points per enemy set.

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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    I never saw a twewy thread I've just been yelling here and in the jrpg thread

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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Oh, my bad. There’s one in the G&T forum. I forgot this was an SE++ thread, at the time.

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    LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    i finished NTWEWY and now i don't know what to do with the rest of my life.

    it was so good. now... now what?

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    DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Lucedes wrote: »
    i finished NTWEWY and now i don't know what to do with the rest of my life.

    it was so good. now... now what?

    Now you wait another 14-odd years for the next one.

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    Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    Lucedes wrote: »
    i finished NTWEWY and now i don't know what to do with the rest of my life.

    it was so good. now... now what?

    Now you get Secret Reports.

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    The Rapids level they added to New Pokemon Snap has Tropius, best update, thank you Bandai Namco.

    Also
    https://youtu.be/kdja9m4YlT4

    This starts in a couple of hours, in the process of getting this link I of course came across "GEN 9 REVEALED???" and other nonsense, I hate what the algorithm prioritises.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    God dammnit just give me Zeroara on sword and sheild

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Regional Growlithe?

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Regional Growlithe?

    Historic formes apparently
    New evos for Basculin and Stantler

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    PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    Based on this trailer, I think Pokémon Legends might be exactly what I want from a new Pokémon game. It's still clearly Pokémon, but it appears to change enough things to seem new.

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    PaperLuigi44PaperLuigi44 My amazement is at maximum capacity. Registered User regular
    Hell yes, new evolutions (and to a lesser extent regional forms) are my favourite thing. I was just thinking about Stantler this week and how nobody thinks about Stantler.

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Agile style will break some Pokemon and moves.
    Glad theres no pvp

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    Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    Wild Munchlax in DP remakes, thank god. No need to go through that honey tree nonsense.

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    EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Agile style will break some Pokemon and moves.
    Glad theres no pvp

    That said, the game seems to be a different kind of turn-based game than most Pokemon games. Taking multiple turns if you're fast enough is just a thing that happens, and Agile Style is just a modifier on top of whatever speed you already have. Like, I doubt that a Slowbro using agile style will make up much of a difference if it's fighting a Jolteon.

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    edited August 2021
    so it's ancient japan with scant technology, but they can make digital enclosure balls/storage for pokemon?

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    IblisIblis Registered User regular
    That was always canon for the balls, that’s what the apricot balls in Gen 2 were (and are expressly what you’re using here).

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    cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    but then what is in them???

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Magic

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