Fenrir is the first real boss in the game, so he is much stronger than anything else you've faced so far. If you need something to do while leveling, you could make sure you've mined/taken/chopped enough to get all the available new items at the store.
Did I screw up my protector by going Provoke + En Garde? It looks like a great combo on paper, but he rarely draws aggro despite using the skill, and En Garde seems to just not work at all.
Should I go with F. Guard, Defender and the Anti skills instead?
With the current build I have Def/Shields high because of En Garde, but it that worth it? How about HP Up?
I have max En Garde and have never seen it work. I don't get it.
It might not give a specific message, so we won't see it if it activates - it'll just look like an ordinary miss, but I see so few of those on my protector that either it doesn't work, or the percentage of activating, even at higher levels, is so miniscule that it's never worth taking.
OK, so I require more thoughts on Ronins. Have people had success using them in place of Landsnechts? I don't mind sparing the buff slot, all I've used so far is Defender+Immunize, so that leaves room for a Samurai stance. Do survivalists get some awesome bows later on? Right now my best katana is 90 while my best bow is 49.
Fenrir is the first real boss in the game, so he is much stronger than anything else you've faced so far. If you need something to do while leveling, you could make sure you've mined/taken/chopped enough to get all the available new items at the store.
Each gather point can give three different items.
I really need to up my mining - where is the first node you can mine? Similarly for take?
How does the Medic's H. Touch skill work? I try to use it out of battle like the description says and get a message that "nothing happened" and lose my 4 TP. I figured it would let me stay down longer being a cheap way to top off after battles, but it doesn't seem to do anything.
How does the Medic's H. Touch skill work? I try to use it out of battle like the description says and get a message that "nothing happened" and lose my 4 TP. I figured it would let me stay down longer being a cheap way to top off after battles, but it doesn't seem to do anything.
It heals up to that percentage. If the health is already higher than that, it does nothing. Yeah, it's worthless.
OK, so I require more thoughts on Ronins. Have people had success using them in place of Landsnechts? I don't mind sparing the buff slot, all I've used so far is Defender+Immunize, so that leaves room for a Samurai stance. Do survivalists get some awesome bows later on? Right now my best katana is 90 while my best bow is 49.
I replaced my Landsnecht with a Ronin and have had gotten good use out of her. Can't take hits as well, but with both Defender and Immunize up, few things really hurt.
How does the Medic's H. Touch skill work? I try to use it out of battle like the description says and get a message that "nothing happened" and lose my 4 TP. I figured it would let me stay down longer being a cheap way to top off after battles, but it doesn't seem to do anything.
It heals up to that percentage. If the health is already higher than that, it does nothing. Yeah, it's worthless.
Seriously. What could have been the rationale? I mean, if it's 'up to 40%' and 6TP at level 10, why in the world would anyone not just use Cure III for 10TP and 100%, which also, hey, works in a battle? This skill's description should read, "It's a trap!"
Oh, and Shocker is bugged. The TP cost is constantly a point or two higher than the Customize menu claims. It's not a huge problem.
How does the Medic's H. Touch skill work? I try to use it out of battle like the description says and get a message that "nothing happened" and lose my 4 TP. I figured it would let me stay down longer being a cheap way to top off after battles, but it doesn't seem to do anything.
It heals up to that percentage. If the health is already higher than that, it does nothing. Yeah, it's worthless.
Just got down to B10F. Still have a bit of 8, 9, and 10 to explore. I'm done for now though. I just quite a while exploring and need a rest. But the third Stratum is right around the corner.
So I just trekked all the way through the locked-off sections of B11 through B7, found the hidden door out, and used a Warp Wire to return and sell my stuff. I then walked back to the other side of the secret door, and found that I hadn't actually opened it.
Dammit.
Having previously expressed my innermost thoughts and feelings on this very sequence of dungeon, I think I can safely say discovering I hadn't actually 'unlocked' the secret door would probably have caused me to kill myself. You have my sympathies, brother.
I really like the desert motif. That spaceage blue was okay for a change of pace after forest and jungle, but it got pretty old pretty fast. Is it just me, or was everything much more pixellated in the blue strata?
I rested her 3 times in the process of experimenting with different builds and became very well acquainted with tree frogs, but I finally have a post game viable hexer at level 70.
Hexers can do just fine in the main game in the place of an alchemist, I even got the "end" boss bound two different ways in the first two turns of the fight (one of which I got free because of the hexer's stagger passive) which made him kind of a joke. Torpor is great against big mobs and, although it's rarely practical, the evil eye/suicide combo is fun. But in the post game there are problems for a party without a dedicated elementalist. These problems are called iron crabs. They are practically immune to everything but volt and shock oils are an annoying way to deal with them.
But there is a solution using the hexer. Revenge at level 10 will damage everything on the screen for an amount equal to about 1.6x(max hitpoints- current hitpoints) and iron crabs don't resist it in any meaningful way. My level 70 hexer she can wipe a group of iron crabs by herself in two turns if I keep her around 25HP. Can an alchemist even match that? Maybe if it's just one crab, assuming thunder can one hit kill them, the alchemist would come out faster, or if thor can one hit a group, but someone who's played the post game with an alchemist will have to enlighten me on that.
The problem with revenge is that you take away it's usefulness if you heal your hexer so salve II is right out when you're on a floor with iron crabs, but I rarely use salve II except on bosses anyway and for bosses my hexer needs to be at full HP and spamming bindings.
Torpor and binding skills are still my hexer's bread and butter, but for 10TP revenge is a pretty nice way to dish out some significant harm to everything on the screen for a character that isn't even supposed to be about dealing direct damage. With HP boosting gear I could tack on another 160+ damage per use but revenge is mostly just there for iron crabs and not to make my hexer a primary damage dealer. Also, my medic is using the town medal at the moment and she doesn't want to give it up.
The other nice thing about revenge, besides the fact that it's cheap, hits everything, and can't really be resisted, is that you don't take damage from a curse for using it. Considering that a cursed hexer using revenge at low HP would wipe itself out, that's a nice feature.
And here's the build if you want to know. It requires 78 SP so you have to retire a level 70 :
1 in HP up (a little extra kick for revenge that lets me kill iron crabs in two turns instead of three)
7 in curses (the minimum needed for everything else I want)
10 in stagger (love this skill)
10 each in the 3 binding skills (much more reliable than any other way I've tried to bind FOEs and bosses)
10 in torpor (my favorite)
10 in corrupt (prerequisite for revenge, sometimes fun to use on FOEs that don't resist it)
10 in revenge (burn in hell iron crabs)
Maxing HP up could be nice for revenge but it would mean sacrificing something else. I guess you could part with one of the bindings if you had another party member to cover it. I personally only want revenge for iron crabs and it does all it needs to do for that situation.
OK, so I require more thoughts on Ronins. Have people had success using them in place of Landsnechts? I don't mind sparing the buff slot, all I've used so far is Defender+Immunize, so that leaves room for a Samurai stance. Do survivalists get some awesome bows later on? Right now my best katana is 90 while my best bow is 49.
About the bow question:
I'm on the 4th Strata and I've found a bow in the shop with: 225 ATK and 10 TEC and another added skill. It costs 150k en though.
OK, so I require more thoughts on Ronins. Have people had success using them in place of Landsnechts? I don't mind sparing the buff slot, all I've used so far is Defender+Immunize, so that leaves room for a Samurai stance. Do survivalists get some awesome bows later on? Right now my best katana is 90 while my best bow is 49.
Ronins can deal out huge damage from the front row but they can't take as much abuse as a landsknecht. They speciallize in dealing out more damage than I had previously thought the game would allow and they are FOE killing machines. Since all a ronin "needs" is maxed overhead, midareba, attack up and katanas, maxing his other passive skills like HP up and TP up is easy to do relatively early on too. The other thing about ronins is that they burn TP pretty quickly (4 to get into overhead, 12 a turn with midareba) considering that they don't have much TP to begin with. Amrita II is cheap late in the game so I don't sweat it but it's worth mentioning.
There's also the major problem that if you just want to kill a monster quickly because it is about to put your party to sleep or something, the ronin won't be able to help you because all his big damage moves require that he take a stance first, giving your enemy a chance to do whatever it wants in the mean time. The landsknecht's stunner is better for this as it comes out fast and will either hit hard enough to kill or else stun the target before it can cause trouble.
It really comes down to play style and the party setup you're using. I rely on stagger and ambush to give me the drop on pesky things like muskoids and on the off chance I don't get the preemtive strike I just throw up defender and immunize while the rest of my party focuses on killing at least one of the muskoids with normal attacks before the first sleeper. I'll wake up without having taken too much abuse because of the buffs and then I'll finish the second muskoid with more normal attacks before I turn my attention to the rest of the mob which, if my hexer did her job, was put to sleep in the mean time. It's not ideal but it's survivable. I'm no longer playing in the land of muskoids now anyway and my ronin does just fine in the post game. Petaloids and muskoids are the only things I've found that make the ronin seem like a poor choice and, like survivalists, where he really shines is against FOEs and bosses.
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I'm not liking the appearance of the 3rd Stratum. It's cool at first, but I know it's going to get old and annoying very quickly.
I liked the 3rd Strata. It felt very... cold if you ask me.
I'm a sucker for that feeling... like that and Phendrana Drifts in Metroid Prime.
I loved the 3rd stratum. Not so much for the wall designs (but I did like hearing *click clack* on the floor while moving), but for the actual layout of the floors within. B14F was one of my favorites in the game.
Okay, what is the bandit king's treasure? I've explored everything past the crystal door on B5F.
Oh ho ho, you missed something. Hint:
At the end of that path there is a hidden passage you can sneak through, by the box with treasure. The secret path is one way. Enjoy exploring. :twisted:
I like the third stratum. It has my favorite music out of the first three strata. It has mushrooms. It has turtles. What's not to love?
I just made it to the third stratum earlier today and it's pretty fucking awesome. I really like it, it's like being underwater or frozen in time or something, I don't know. I just like it a lot. :P
Can someone explain how bindings help you get items. I've seen this mentioned a few times but can't find any direct info.
Generally, they wouldn't. There are some FOEs who will drop special items when bound in certain ways. There's a list in a spoiler in the second post of the thread.
Okay, what is the bandit king's treasure? I've explored everything past the crystal door on B5F.
Oh ho ho, you missed something. Hint:
At the end of that path there is a hidden passage you can sneak through, by the box with treasure. The secret path is one way. Enjoy exploring. :twisted:
I didn't miss that. I've been through everything. All the way to B3F.
Okay, what is the bandit king's treasure? I've explored everything past the crystal door on B5F.
Oh ho ho, you missed something. Hint:
At the end of that path there is a hidden passage you can sneak through, by the box with treasure. The secret path is one way. Enjoy exploring. :twisted:
I didn't miss that. I've been through everything. All the way to B3F.
Then you'll want to make your way to the upper right 3x3 room (C7.)
Generally, they wouldn't. There are some FOEs who will drop special items when bound in certain ways. There's a list in a spoiler in the second post of the thread.
Okay, what is the bandit king's treasure? I've explored everything past the crystal door on B5F.
Oh ho ho, you missed something. Hint:
At the end of that path there is a hidden passage you can sneak through, by the box with treasure. The secret path is one way. Enjoy exploring. :twisted:
I didn't miss that. I've been through everything. All the way to B3F.
Then you'll want to make your way to the upper right 3x3 room (C7.)
Okay, I stayed away from there because I was around level 20 at the time and from reading here thought it was more of a level 70 monster.
Okay, what is the bandit king's treasure? I've explored everything past the crystal door on B5F.
Oh ho ho, you missed something. Hint:
At the end of that path there is a hidden passage you can sneak through, by the box with treasure. The secret path is one way. Enjoy exploring. :twisted:
I didn't miss that. I've been through everything. All the way to B3F.
Then you'll want to make your way to the upper right 3x3 room (C7.)
Okay, I stayed away from there because I was around level 20 at the time and from reading here thought it was more of a level 70 monster.
Ah, well yeah you probably won't be able to finish that quest at level 20. Also I think everyone would agree that
you want a ronin in your party for that.
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Went back to revisit my good friend Fenrir.
Compared to the Cutters, he was wolf bait. I love when a menacing enemy becomes a joke after just a few choice level increases.
The title of B7F still scares me. How do you go from Dance Hall of the Fairies to Trail of Pain?
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Each gather point can give three different items.
I have max En Garde and have never seen it work. I don't get it.
If this shit doesn't work I'm gonna be pissed.
I really need to up my mining - where is the first node you can mine? Similarly for take?
It heals up to that percentage. If the health is already higher than that, it does nothing. Yeah, it's worthless.
I replaced my Landsnecht with a Ronin and have had gotten good use out of her. Can't take hits as well, but with both Defender and Immunize up, few things really hurt.
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Seriously. What could have been the rationale? I mean, if it's 'up to 40%' and 6TP at level 10, why in the world would anyone not just use Cure III for 10TP and 100%, which also, hey, works in a battle? This skill's description should read, "It's a trap!"
Oh, and Shocker is bugged. The TP cost is constantly a point or two higher than the Customize menu claims. It's not a huge problem.
you and your damn cronies.
I am done playing for today, after an hour or two of exploring, feeling too confident, then blam.
My head hurts now.
Oh damnit. Respec inc :x
Having previously expressed my innermost thoughts and feelings on this very sequence of dungeon, I think I can safely say discovering I hadn't actually 'unlocked' the secret door would probably have caused me to kill myself. You have my sympathies, brother.
I really like the desert motif. That spaceage blue was okay for a change of pace after forest and jungle, but it got pretty old pretty fast. Is it just me, or was everything much more pixellated in the blue strata?
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But there is a solution using the hexer. Revenge at level 10 will damage everything on the screen for an amount equal to about 1.6x(max hitpoints- current hitpoints) and iron crabs don't resist it in any meaningful way. My level 70 hexer she can wipe a group of iron crabs by herself in two turns if I keep her around 25HP. Can an alchemist even match that? Maybe if it's just one crab, assuming thunder can one hit kill them, the alchemist would come out faster, or if thor can one hit a group, but someone who's played the post game with an alchemist will have to enlighten me on that.
The problem with revenge is that you take away it's usefulness if you heal your hexer so salve II is right out when you're on a floor with iron crabs, but I rarely use salve II except on bosses anyway and for bosses my hexer needs to be at full HP and spamming bindings.
Torpor and binding skills are still my hexer's bread and butter, but for 10TP revenge is a pretty nice way to dish out some significant harm to everything on the screen for a character that isn't even supposed to be about dealing direct damage. With HP boosting gear I could tack on another 160+ damage per use but revenge is mostly just there for iron crabs and not to make my hexer a primary damage dealer. Also, my medic is using the town medal at the moment and she doesn't want to give it up.
The other nice thing about revenge, besides the fact that it's cheap, hits everything, and can't really be resisted, is that you don't take damage from a curse for using it. Considering that a cursed hexer using revenge at low HP would wipe itself out, that's a nice feature.
And here's the build if you want to know. It requires 78 SP so you have to retire a level 70 :
7 in curses (the minimum needed for everything else I want)
10 in stagger (love this skill)
10 each in the 3 binding skills (much more reliable than any other way I've tried to bind FOEs and bosses)
10 in torpor (my favorite)
10 in corrupt (prerequisite for revenge, sometimes fun to use on FOEs that don't resist it)
10 in revenge (burn in hell iron crabs)
Maxing HP up could be nice for revenge but it would mean sacrificing something else. I guess you could part with one of the bindings if you had another party member to cover it. I personally only want revenge for iron crabs and it does all it needs to do for that situation.
I liked the 3rd Strata. It felt very... cold if you ask me.
I'm a sucker for that feeling... like that and Phendrana Drifts in Metroid Prime.
I can't see it
but guessing from the title..
IS THAT AN ETRIAN ODYSSEY FIGURE?
Indeed. A very good looking one of the young female medic.
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The article said that others are coming.
Ronins can deal out huge damage from the front row but they can't take as much abuse as a landsknecht. They speciallize in dealing out more damage than I had previously thought the game would allow and they are FOE killing machines. Since all a ronin "needs" is maxed overhead, midareba, attack up and katanas, maxing his other passive skills like HP up and TP up is easy to do relatively early on too. The other thing about ronins is that they burn TP pretty quickly (4 to get into overhead, 12 a turn with midareba) considering that they don't have much TP to begin with. Amrita II is cheap late in the game so I don't sweat it but it's worth mentioning.
There's also the major problem that if you just want to kill a monster quickly because it is about to put your party to sleep or something, the ronin won't be able to help you because all his big damage moves require that he take a stance first, giving your enemy a chance to do whatever it wants in the mean time. The landsknecht's stunner is better for this as it comes out fast and will either hit hard enough to kill or else stun the target before it can cause trouble.
It really comes down to play style and the party setup you're using. I rely on stagger and ambush to give me the drop on pesky things like muskoids and on the off chance I don't get the preemtive strike I just throw up defender and immunize while the rest of my party focuses on killing at least one of the muskoids with normal attacks before the first sleeper. I'll wake up without having taken too much abuse because of the buffs and then I'll finish the second muskoid with more normal attacks before I turn my attention to the rest of the mob which, if my hexer did her job, was put to sleep in the mean time. It's not ideal but it's survivable. I'm no longer playing in the land of muskoids now anyway and my ronin does just fine in the post game. Petaloids and muskoids are the only things I've found that make the ronin seem like a poor choice and, like survivalists, where he really shines is against FOEs and bosses.
I loved the 3rd stratum. Not so much for the wall designs (but I did like hearing *click clack* on the floor while moving), but for the actual layout of the floors within. B14F was one of my favorites in the game.
Oh ho ho, you missed something. Hint:
I like the third stratum. It has my favorite music out of the first three strata. It has mushrooms. It has turtles. What's not to love?
I just made it to the third stratum earlier today and it's pretty fucking awesome. I really like it, it's like being underwater or frozen in time or something, I don't know. I just like it a lot. :P
Generally, they wouldn't. There are some FOEs who will drop special items when bound in certain ways. There's a list in a spoiler in the second post of the thread.
Thank you sir, back to the 2nd strat for me.
Compared to the Cutters, he was wolf bait. I love when a menacing enemy becomes a joke after just a few choice level increases.
The title of B7F still scares me. How do you go from Dance Hall of the Fairies to Trail of Pain?